First off I came here only to post this, believe me or not.
We were told not to even worry about the second or third shooting, only the first shooting. We are instructed to mainly interview witnesses from the first case. If the D.A can prove that’s murder, the second and third become almost automatic.
Here’s the concept for a layman, say someone robs a bank, kills a teller and is fleeing the scene. A random citizen tries to stop the fleeing suspect with a skateboard or any weapon and he kills him. When fleeing a crime, you aren’t protected under self defense.
I’m not saying I agree nor disagree, just this is what we were instructed. To focus on making shooting 1 unjustified
First off I came here only to post this, believe me or not.
We were told not to even worry about the second or third shooting, only the first shooting. We are instructed to mainly interview witnesses from the first case. If the D.A can prove that’s murder, the second and third become almost automatic.
Here’s the concept for a layman, say someone robs a bank, kills a teller and is fleeing the scene. A random citizen tries to stop the fleeing suspect with a skateboard or any weapon and he kills him. When fleeing a crime, you aren’t protected under self defense.
I’m not saying I agree nor disagree, just this is what we were instructed. To focus on making shooting 1 unjustified
First kill should be the easiest to defend. Kyle was chased by a mob. He didn’t shoot first. It shouldn’t be too hard to prove that he had all the reasons in the world to fear for his life.
"just this is what we were instructed. To focus on making shooting 1 unjustified"
How are you going to do that when the first shooting was justified?
The operative word here is "making"
Not looking for. Not discovering. Making.
Tune in for season 2 of Making a Murderer
god catch and unfortunately this part lends a lot of credibility to the post
Yes and no. I’m not saying what is supposed to happen but this is how it happens.
Say, a bank robbery happens at 3pm and we have a 100% positive I.d, lets say via camera. The perp was also on Xbox live at 3pm. It’s not uncommon for our assignment to be “find me evidence that “x” wasn’t on Xbox at 3pm”
By lying.
Or corrupting the judge.
Judges are generally former lawyers: they come pre-corrupt.
Yeah almost Every single witness to the first shooting is the pedophiles friends, other violent Antifa meth heads. So Kyles trial is dependent on the testimony of violent lying witnesses.
Not reassuring
There were also eye witnesses on the roof. I’m also fairly certain NONE of the ground eyewitness will be used in court. We have deemed them all to not be credible. Witnesses from “both sides”
Wonder what makes the roof eyewitnesses more credible? Are they the owners? Very weird that Kyles friends are not considered credible.
It is very reasonable to believe that Kyle extinguishing Antifa’s arson fire, is in fact what enraged Rosenbaum to the point of homicidal intent. You have to be blazed and enraged to lunge and try to disarm an AR. Also emboldened knowing at least 2 other antifa buddies were armed too. Rosenbaums intent is pretty fucking important. What did he tell his methhead buddies before lunge-sprinting towards Kyle.
edit. ok DetDan, Read your 1st comment. Snipers you say? Multiple shooters? Kyles shot might not have killed? Couldve been the roof sniper? All extremely very interesting. Appreciate the record straightening. Thanks for the info drop. Keep posting on dot win.
What about the man on the grassy knoll?
And plenty of video evidence clearly showing someone shooting a pistol into the air right behind Kyle and clearly showing “Shoot Me Nigga” Rosenbaum hurling dangerous objects directly at Kyle as Kyle is chased by a mob of violent criminal looters, arsonists and vandals.
They’re gonna need to pick a very biased jury to make this ridiculous bullshit stick.
the guy who was interviewing Kyle seems a good impartial witness who was on the scene and in the line of fire too
"Richie McGinniss, a video editor with Daily Caller, interviewed Rittenhouse before the shootings." Heavy.com.
Well, when you have a persecutor instead of a prosecutor....
That's not how court works.
General Flynn is getting Double Jeopardy...the Legal System in this country is sick.
Didn't the daily caller guy on the ground witness the first killing? Or was he describing the 2nd one?
If he witnesses the first one, they need to get with him. He said he witnessed the pedo try to grab the gun twice if I remember correctly
I watched that interview. He was talking about the first shooting.
This. Also, the Chans identified the tall goofy guy who is seen firing into the air right behind the pedo dwarf and The Kenosha Kid just as the pedo dwarf throws an object in a bag at Kyle's head. It should be easy to show that Kyle feared for his life.
There's also a good chance that the tall goofy guy shot the pedo dwarf first.
That would be poetic justice.
If someone didn't fire the handgun shot it might be harder, but it's on two different videos that someone fired a gun in the air. Kyle thought he was being shot at and turned and Jinja was right on top of him.
Engaging someone in close quarters when you have a long gun which cannot be holstered is automatic threat to life.
The fact that Jinja earlier was antagonizing is motive for his attack on Kyle.
Do we know the handgun shot was fired in the air? What I've seen shows a muzzle flash from a distance. Is there a video I haven't seen that clearly shows where the shot is fired?
That and the New York Times says it was fired in the air and as we all know, they represent the pinnacle of modern American journalism. That by itself makes me sceptical.
It's in both videos.
https://i.maga.host/tBysNiH.png
Guy on the right, arm up in the air, is the one who fires the shot.
https://i.maga.host/Rm37Hmb.png
This one is harder to make out without doing a frame-by-frame, but when you advance one frame at a time, you see something pop up behind the car (guys arm) and I circled in red the smoke from the gun.
I don't know about the later shots but the first shot absolutely was fired up in the air.
Here, I made a .gif.
https://i.maga.host/7Uhb9gy.gif
Thanks! Now its clear.
Im missing something, wasn't the guy chasing him to grab his gun the second one shot, then the guy with the clock getting his arm blown off the 3rd? How did the pedophile die? I assumed he was the first guy to die because Kyle walked towards the police after the the gun grabber and skateboarder. It seems the bald pedo guy got shot in the balls, the chest and pegged off the side of the head. Does anyone have details on that?
https://heavy.com/news/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse/
Thanks fam.
1st guy shot was Face McShooty midget gun grabber (according to the so called witness statement), skateboard gun grabber is after.
1st guy shot is seen chasing Kyle and throwing something at him, behind a car where we can't really see what's going on in any footage i've seen.
Ah ok, that's why. I keep seeing the same action-hero move where he's chased, tackled, flips over, adjusts and shoots. Never seen footage of the pedo who was screaming "come shoot me nigga" get shot. Thanks pede.
Lawyer here. Yes, this makes the most sense. I don't know why anyone would be upset at this factual post. The entire thing comes down to the first shooting. Either THAT was self defense or it wasn't. If Kyle can't show that was self defense, then the rest doesn't matter.
Unfortunately, based on the videos I've seen, that's the most murky part. We don't know what happened in the minutes prior to that first shooting.
Innocent until proven guilty
Yes of course but the risk is getting in front of a jury which will decide whether he had justification to shoot the guy.
There is a video where rioters lit a dumpster on fire and Kyle or people with Kyle extinguished it. Kyle is seen in another video running with a fire extinguisher at the same location. Rosenbaum was with those pushing the flaming dumpster towards a gas station. This is likely the event that triggered Rosenbaum to attack and chase Kyle.
The best collection I've found is here:
"The Kyle Incident" Mega Evidence Catalogue Link, Video, Image, and Articles
The two videos are:
I think there may be a 3rd video of the fire-extinguisher, but I can't find it. Currently, I don't believe Kyle was the one who extinguished the fire.
There's also a video from Gage's live stream, before he got shot in the arm, running alongside the Kid asking him a question and the Kid just responds with, I'm going to the police. He wasn't getting away he was turning himself in. I'm gonna be very upset if they hang this kid for defending himself
That thread I linked has literally everything.
Basically this whole thread but I have included timestamps of events on this facebook video: https://twitter.com/evanchill/status/1299439564935888897?s=20
18:55 initial dumpster fire
24:17 Kyle on video with other armed citizens
54:58 Kyle runs past camera with extinguisher
55:48 Kyle seen walking with extinguisher saying "anyone need medical?"
56:00 woman says "these stupid white people"
56:08 Rosenbaum seen walking in same direction ahead of Kyle,
56:41 Rosenbaum approximately 15 yards in front of possible Kyle, Rosenbaum seen jogging towards sidewalk
56:54 Someone yells "Right there!"
56:57 Someone yells "Let's get him!" (something else yelled here, possible "let's fuck with him"? Can someone review?)
57:03 Split second view of what appears to be Kyle in his white hat running with others chasing close behind
57:15 1st shot (not Kyle)
57:17 someone yells "fuck you!"
57:18 Kyle shoots 4 times
Thank you, I was actually looking for something like this for my niece. Her high school social media is all abuzz with supporting the riots. I've been trying to keep her supplied with facts and timelines for when she debates with schoolmates who are all brainwashed.
I made a post with links to sources I found that might be of some help to her: https://thedonald.win/p/Gvd4xf7O/sources-and-information-on-kyle-/c/
I'll be adding this post to it.
Don't forget prior to that the aggressive Rosenbaum confronting gun holders yelling "shoot me nigga". That scene sets the rest of the events in motion.
This explains what happened before the video.
Kyle was spotted away from the main patriots and the mob turned on him.
The mob was armed like in Portland on Sunday and they chased him and fired shots (1 shot before Kyle fired).
Not only that, but the video with Rosenbaum saying "shoot me nigga" would show how agitated and aggressive he was towards the people carrying guns before anything even happened.
...and completely undeterred by the presence of guns and attempting to assault people carrying guns.
I almost want to see the case itself, just to watch the prosecution get "murdered" by facts.
Its not about being murdered by facts but how you spin the truth...Exhibit A: CNN
I would bet this ends up in front of a jury. Regardless of info found in the investigation. The process is the punishment.
People who can turn any t-shirt into a skimask that easily and on-the-fly tend to be career criminals. Rittenhouse also has an eye witness, who's also a journalist, to corroborate his story on top of the video evidence.
The jury should be of Kenosha residents and I can't imagine they'd side with the violent rioters based on the substantial evidence pointing towards self-defense.
To be fair it's not that hard to wrap a shirt in to a mask. Even a commie with a child brain could do it, but I repeat myself.
This example has been around forever and it takes like five seconds: https://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2869/1850/1600/ninjalesson.jpg
There's even shirts you can get that have a print on the inside and outside that tall about it being a ninja mask,
Well of course it's not hard, the point is that only a criminal would think to do it. Normal people aren't out there doing this for normal law-abiding reasons.
I thought about the tshirt mask before.
Hell, I have done it before as a Halloween costume. I even referenced the picture in question.
Don't dismiss the chance that the local jury fears the riots and death and death threats to them and their family and take the easy way out and vote guilty.
Always possible but at the end of the day, this is a kid who is a really, really good kid. I don't think most sane people want to be responsible for sending an innocent kid away for life knowing he will get murdered in prison.
In a kill or be killed situation, it's not unusual to kill. Of course that is the essence of the case, so it should be thrown out.
As the "lawyer" said, it's the most murky part. Apart from vigilante justice not being legal, there was no one on the scene who could determine immediately if he did a crime and therefore they can not arbitrate that he did and rule that self-defense no longer applies to him.
This will go to appeals and be a huge MSM case. They'll broadcast it while silencing Jay's story during the debates and early voting
What? self defense doesn't just go out the window even if no one saw what happened....it can be claimed if someone has been killed, you admit to killing them, but claim self defense. Whether a crime was committed or not hinges precisely on whether the prosecution can prove it was not self defense through other evidence such as forensics and witness testimony
I assume you're talking about the mob trying to be vigilantes?
We know Gaige didn't see the incident, therefore had no way of knowing whether the shooting was in self-defense or not. Also that Kyle told Gaige he was going to get police. All Gaige knew was the mob nearby yelling "get that guy" and that he shot someone.
Currently I don't know when Anthony M. Huber joined the chase. Several people were actually chasing Kyle, not just Joseph, before Kyle shot Joseph. Because Joseph and Huber are seen working together in other videos, it wouldn't surprise me if Huber saw the whole thing, and was part of it.
I think most people are missing the fact that Kyle got mobbed before the first shooting, and it is likely some of the "vigilantes" were probably trying to steal Kyle's gun from the very beginning.
Yeah I don't see that first shooting as murky anymore. The only question I have is how many times was Mr deadhead shot, and by how many different shooters.
Joseph was hit 5 times, however it could have been all Kyle. One of the wounds was to Joseph's hand, and a bullet could have entered his hand, exited, and then struck another part of his body.
If someone else shot Joseph, they may have been trying to protect/help Kyle. Fearing prosecution or (worse) the leftist mob destroying their life and kill them, almost no sane person would turn themselves in.
Thanks. So we know he was shot 5 times. At first I thought he was hit once, in the head, and died quickly from that. Nope! Really hard for Kyle to have shot him on the right side of the head while Joseph charged straight at him. And a bullet going through the hand or not, I don't see how it then enters from behind, piercing the liver and delivering the fatal blow which our OP states is what killed him, no doubt. I know bullets can do strange things, but doing a 180 in the space of less than a foot? Plus reading between the lines, it seems they've determined the entry angle of that fatal bullet was going down, to get them to look at snipers on the nearby roof. Ballistics will be interesting, to see how many different guns and which hits can be identified as Kyle's shots.
Joseph wanted to be busted on. I just saw him go straight down on video, so I assumed 1 shot and to the head could do that although it's rare. It would almost have to be the liver shot that downed him, otherwise that bullet would've entered at an angle going up relative to his body. Which means shoot me nigga kept charging after being hit 4 times?
We do know he was running away. That's on video. We know someone else fired a gun first, possibly at him. That's on video. We have an eye witness statement that angry pedo had Kyle cornered and attempted to take his rifle. That's not been disputed that I'm aware of.
This is very informative: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CEdDTg4j5PL/
We know what happened seconds before the shooting, but not necessarily what happens between "shoot me nigga" and Joseph trying to grab Kyle's weapon.
I can't view the instagram link without logging in. (Fuck Facebook)
Definitely watch this video. It's on YouTube, but age restricted so you have to sign in, which makes zero sense except that the video comes down strongly on the self defense side of things so Google would like to suppress that. The video comes up as the second hit with this search at the Duck and you can watch it there instead of having to click over.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Kyle+Rittenhouse+-+Let%27s+talk+facts+in+the+Kenosha+Wisconsin&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DNSU9ZvnudFE
We know enough. We know he was running away, which means he wasn't threatening anyone when they attacked. So this makes it self defense.
The kid was clearly being chased by multiple people. Some had long poles and what almost look like 2x4's and they were running around to flank him. Another we know had a gun and fired that gun. The only person that was not visibly armed was pedo guy, but he was the one leading the chase and he was the person that went for Kyle's gun as confirmed by the reporter. If Kyle didn't shoot him, he would have been in a struggle with the pedo and would have had his brains bashed in by the other armed individuals.
He was running away full sprint. They were chasing him full sprint. He was outnumbered by multiple attackers who were pursuing him. He had every right to fear for his life because his life was in danger.. This is a clear cut case of self defense, but I agree with OP.
Just watched the livestream on FB link of the minutes before.
Kyle did nothing and had no time to do anything to be the cause of this.
The mob spotted him alone and descended upon him, 1 shot was fired from behind Kyle as he was running from the mob and the main guy chasing him. 30 seconds before this you can hear Kyle asking if anyone needs medical like he had been doing all night long.
Pedo spotted him as one of the guys putting out the fire the Pedo was a part of and gave chase.
Yes we do. He is running away from conflict before being chased down. He was fleeing before being forced to defend himself.
Dude did assault him - he just didn't succeed in battering him.
Here's your evidence for self defense on the first shooting. The person he shot was upset they had put out his dumpster fire and was ranting. Listen to this video, you can hear him saying "lets jack them and take their guns". Not long after this, this same individual is chasing kyle, and by the witness statement and court document, was trying to grab kyle's rifle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdbCEoaWzcM
Words which will always be your last - dumbasses
I don't know which person said that, but witnesses report that a group of people was running after Kyle, not just Joseph. In other words, Kyle was being chased by a group of people trying to jack his gun.
Which leads to a second interesting point; some of the people chasing Kyle after the shooting were probably among the people who had tried to steal his gun at the parking lot.
He knows that. That's why he's here. He's a whistleblower
A whistleblower will stay in place and inform the defense. It will be up to us to ask for a misconduct investigation
Was about to ask [as a layman].
How would a whistleblower correctly/legally shed light on this corruption.
Thanks :)
Get the information (preferably with provenance/evidence) to the defendant's Legal Team. After securing this evidence, Kyle's Legal Team would provide the whistleblower a legitimate link to a trusted federal oversight agent in the DOJ, as this becomes a constitutional issue (due process). The insider/ would provide evidence to this trusted agent as well, and remain inside, preferably as a witness to the corruption, and perhaps work with Project Veritas or others to continue to document the corruption. At the proper time, the whistleblower would come out in order to legitimise the revelation to the public.
This assumes 1) there is such a thing as anyone in the DoJ one can trust, and
To bad that doesn't work with public opinion and muh Russia
One prosecutes a case by looking at evidence. if the evidence is not there, one does not prosecute.
An American patriot!
It's an adversarial system. IF acting in good faith the prosecution is supposed to try and build an offense to support their charge, short of fabrication, and it's left to the defense to prove otherwise. The prosecutor only becomes unethical when he continues after accidentally discovering or is presented with evidence disproving the charges.
In this case it's already pretty clear the charges are a politically motivated knee-jerk rather than a perhaps sensible formality to present an official conclusion. The exculpatory evidence is already enough I doubt any decent prosecutor would hope for a Wisconsin jury to convict.
Honest question, isn't there supposed to be an investigation phase? Obviously, the DA has already charged Kyle, so
The investigation doesn't have to come before the charges, but that's usually how it works to avoid wasting time on unwinnable cases or where the perpetrator or extent of the "crimes" are yet to be revealed. In this case it kind of makes sense with the publicity, calls for prosecution, and danger to Kyle from libtards, to make charges first and then make a determination afterwards to satisfy the public that he didn't get away with anything.
It would be nice if the DOJ would take that approach with some democrat swamp creatures and not just conservatives.
Sorry to disagree, but I don't disagree with u/sorrytodisagree
The first shooting is clearly self defense based on video and eyewitness testimony. They got nothing right now unless they get some commie scum to lie.
Yeah, so in other words, they are lying.
Considering the first shot grazes the lower leg and goes into the ground, the entire account becomes suspect since Kyle did not have the opportunity to raise the rifle from low ready and take a bead.
They put a fat bitch on the stand who testified as Trayvon Martin's girlfriend when she wasn't. I'm watching the documentary that was posted on here earlier about that shit show.
Yeah that's pretty amazing. And remember, that's the case blm started over. Their whole narrative is a lie.
He's part of the riots.
I'm going to assert that's a lie:
This would be on video, if it happened. The "protesters" hate the militia, and would be blasting videos of the brandishing everywhere.
If they're on private property, that seems legit. Also has nothing to do with Kyle. It is by far the safest for everyone if you keep your distance from someone armed with a rifle. The fact that Joseph got so close (and was trying to steal the weapon) is how the situation became so dangerous. Same with the morons chasing Kyle after; had they kept their distance nobody else would have been shot.
Yeah, because he wasn't part of the rioters. He also did help people. Most of the pantifa "medics" are idiots with no medical training.
That's hearsay, and probably also lies. Kyle wasn't near "his people." His people were quite a distance away, protecting a business that was on the other side of police lines. The militia nearby were with another group.
If the first shooting was self-defense (it was) then we also now have someone assaulting kyle with a dangerous weapon.
I mean sure, a convicted felon at a riot with a gun for self-defense. But only leftists are allowed to defend themselves with guns. Come on Mrs Clown world ... a little logic here.
Video shows the gun pointed at Kyle.
Sure, he just hit someone with a metal club who had just been forced to defend himself a couple minutes earlier from another violent felon. He either had no context, which he naively assaulted a guy with a skateboard, or he knew what happened and assaulted Kyle anyway.
Don't play hero if you don't know the context.
Skaterfag didn't even take him down lol, he was already on the ground at that point when he hit him
Correct, he did throw the skateboard, miss, retrieve the skateboard, then attempt to hit Kyle in the had with it. Kyle tripped. If anything, the asshole who punched Kyle in the back of the had caused Kyle to fall a few moments later.
Sk8trboi knew the context. He thought it would be cool to attack. He had rehearsed this attack with the guy that dropkicked Kyle, and the guy who could've blown Kyle's face off.
I think the guy who tried to kick Kyle was likely also aware of context. I haven't had the time to investigate him yet.
We really need surveillance photos from nearby businesses released publicly, so the internet sleuths can dig through them.
Of course, any more evidence that exists would be helpful. The OP is saying they may never know who killed Mr deadhead. Then again security cams don't usually point at roofs.
Did you see clearly that the guy who tried to kick Kyle missed completely? Did he catch him just not squarely on the head?
The guy went for his gun twice after chasing Kyle and throwing something at him. Open and shut case of self defense. No jury will convict.
A jury of leftists would though
The nearby gunshot is interesting, but not needed for a self-defense claim. Although it does perhaps make it even stronger.
Hello guys, new account as I only meant to drop the information and never return, I made the password and forgot it. I felt I needed to post because I see a lot of misinformation.
Believe it or not, there was at least two snipers, yes snipers on scene. We interviewed two business owners that let men with rifles on their roof. We also believe there is a good chance of multiple shooters but not from the muzzle flash person. We are thinking the fifth and final shot that punctured the lung was from a roof from behind. There’s also two videos that haven’t been released and we have recovered the projectile thrown at Kyle. When you guys hear the official story it’s looks like it’s from a movie. Radios, two “snipers” firing from opposite directions, a fire cracker, even what was thrown by Rosenbaum is “peculiar”.
SPILL MOTHERFUCKER. I need to know. Risk your job for my entertainment!
There isn’t much to spill. What do you want to know? There really isn’t much information I could “leak”. I’m almost certain all our evidence will be given to the press by Friday. I know the “sniper” story for sure
There are lots of things people are curious about - what was in the bag that was thrown, what is new from the two unreleased videos you mentioned, etc.
I'm curious about your personal opinion - do you think they were justified in charging Kyle based on what they know? Or is it what it looks like from the outside - a Democrat DA charging the political opposition?
I don’t think I can tell.
Nothing at all, really
Definitely not from what they know. They get the information from us and I couldn’t call it either way. I’m not just saying this to appear neutral, I would tell you, I’m honestly 50/50.
Edit: I’m not trying to withhold in formation, everything I told you, about 200 people already know. Telling what’s was in the bag, limits me to maybe 15 people. Every one in this building knows about the snipers. We actually walked around to ransoms (in the department) “where do those pops sound like they came from”.
By making this comment you have already narrowed yourself to one of fifteen people.
How much will this case eat through the Kenosha budget? I bet they’re desperate for a result.
Not true. A LOT of people know this information
“I’m not trying to withhold in formation, everything I told you, about 200 people already know. Telling what’s was in the bag, limits me to maybe 15 people.”
I was assuming that if only 15 people know what’s in the bag, then only 15 people know it is peculiar.
“even what was thrown by Rosenbaum is “peculiar”.”
That was my point. Just be careful.
Friday press releases are typically ones containing bad news for the powers that be. Is that the way things are leaning right now? Is there political pressure to minimize the additional details for partisan reasons?
I don’t know what that means, sorry
It’s a typical move in PR to release news that you want buried on a Friday afternoon. Bad earnings reports, scandalous stuff you don’t want someone looking to hard at, the things you don’t want to get a lot of play in the news. Most journalists are out for the weekend and the narrative for the weekend shows is already set. Press releases on a Friday typically are things the person releasing it wants to go away.
I misspoke. The instructions were more like “ the second shooting isn’t a priority, mainly focus on the first shooting”
Magyars are what’s up.
"There’s also two videos that haven’t been released"
Can you please explain what the videos are? Or at least offer insight if they help or hurt Kyle's case?
Hello, I barely understand the other questions, I’m not ignoring them I just don’t know the answers. The answer to this question is “I don’t know.”, yet. There’s a lot of evidence people aren’t privy to yet (the sniper story will be out by Friday). Someone involved had a traffic stop. There was something, not a firearm, that a officer saw. There was also a level of coordination through Wilkie-talkies. I can tell you we don’t have any evidence of Kyle having one. There isn’t much more to say, every video is grainy, and ballistics haven’t been done and almost every eyewitness has lied. The last thing I can tell you is the round to the back has been recovered as well as three, yes three ar-15s and ballistics are in progress
Thanks for responding. Stay safe and keep us updated!
Does that specify that Kyle shot Rosenbaum 3x? Or could that be that Kyle shot a total of 3x like we've all thought?
Man, I forgot all about that!
Someone go back and check the old videos. It might even have been a video from a previous night. There's definitely a video that I remember seeing of that same boarded-up mechanic's shop with 2 guys standing on the edge of the roof talking to either the cameraman or to someone else at ground level.
I remember seeing that and thinking "ha, white rooftop Koreans" because it looked like the safest place to be to guard something.
I can't believe that nobody has considered this as the source of the "mystery shots" that are clearly heard on the video when Kyle turns to confront Red-shirt Pedo guy.
I'd always thought it was someone with a handgun taking shots at Kyle after he shoots because the difference in the volume of the shots makes it seem smaller. But now I realize it could just be farther away or up high off camera instead, like from a rooftop.
I feel like this has to be overall good news for Kyle. If more than one person shot Red-shirt Pedo guy, then CLEARLY his actions were seen as threatening not just by Kyle in that split-second decision but also to a remote observer who was likely watching the incident unfold and decided to intervene as well.
Exactly.
Surely all that csi type stuff will show angle of entry wound. That would prove he wasn’t able to have made that/those shots. As well as ballistics.
Absolutely. The back bullet and three rifles are being tested
Well it was certainly complicated by them moving the body from the scene of crime trying to rescue the dead man.
Yes. Complicated. But video shows he fell face forward and The McGinnis Guy turned him over. So not impossible.
That guy and his pron actress girlfriend were acting as a team as riot agitators, and should be arrested and charged.
I heard someone yell in a video that the militia guys had blanks in their guns. That is something you would say if you were trying to get people killed.
uhhh pics of the pron star?
There were tons of threads with her page in it early on, I sure didn't bookmark it. You can easily find better pron.
its not about the quality of the pron, it is about the oddity of the star.
I like weird shit. Dont kink shame
Lol. A moment of levity in a fucked up, corrupt situation. No shame bro.
So, the McGinnis guy who was filming?
In the Initial Video Shooting, The Daily Caller’s Richie McGinniss is running towards Kyle just behind the Pedo. When the gun is fired on the left of the screen neither McGinniss or the Pedo turn towards the shot or even pause. Was the Shot meant to be a distraction? Did McGinness know the Pedo was going to attack Kyle ahead of time?
You probably have just don’t know it.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/26/daily-caller-reporter-richie-mcginniss-tells-tucker-carlson-about-kenosha-shooting-that-left-one-dead/
Kyle put out a lit dumpster that was being pushed towards a gas station.
Videos are around of it. Look elsewhere in this thread.
Video and stills from video. Kyle was the actual individual carrying the extinguisher. Also it may be that he left the militia line to go put the dumpster out, and that plus the fact he was alone is what enraged the mob.
i have seen the video. and one of kyle running by as a blue with his extinguisher. Sorry I cant find it by I can confirm I have seen both.
How does it matter?
Yes, you can not try and take someone's firearm. McGinnis was there and filmed it and claims pedo tried to grab his gun. Pretense does not matter. Kyle was fleeing and pedo went for his gun... In what world would ANYTHING that happened before that mean Kyle should have let him take his loaded firearm...?
I hadn't seen the interview with McGinnis/Tucker yet, thanks for sharing.
Thank you and God bless you, OP - stay safe, use a VPN.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/27/we-witnessed-the-kenosha-shootings-heres-what-really-happened/
First Shooting different angle:
https://youtu.be/ss-G-FX3Nys
Shooting at 3:59:00
Click on OP's account, and none of his comments show up, yet he made the quoted comment below, and that comment still shows up in this thread, so I'm copying it and posting again for posterity in case it gets deleted.
Tucker Carlson had a witness on the other night who confirmed it was self defense.
Shoot me nigg*!
Bust on me!
Get me gooey!
I still remember your other comment about this guy LOL
This is major milestone that I don't expect many people to notice but....
We have a genuine insider coming HERE to leak info. Not to the mainstream media or a newspaper reporter who would demand proof or corroboration. Not to 4chan as you would expect for anonymous sources. But to lil' ol' TheDonald.win instead.
That's like the hallmark of a genuinely INFLUENTIAL website. Nobody posts insider info on an anonymous blog read by two people. They want the information to get out there and be seen and spread.
We might someday have the next Edward Snowden show up to spill the beans on major news here, which would force the mainstream media to acknowledge and source us and basically put us on the map in a way that word of mouth and memes alone never could.
I don't know man... I just think it's cool.
Yeah, we'll see... every "anon" has been a LARP beginning with FBIanon claiming that all of these people being locked up and we literally have had zero arrests of any of the treasonous motherfuckers in our government.
Yeah I know, grain of salt. But everything he said made a LOT of sense. Especially the post below where he made another throwaway to point out where the other shots came from. I had absolutely forgotten I'd seen people standing on that building with rifles in another video and his comment made me realize that nobody filming bothered to look up.
The worst part about all this? If we take all the info we have at face value, the business owners had 2 snipers on the roof. They should have never asked Kyle to be there. Having people on the ground in front of your snipers is unnecessary, adds risk, and in this case may ruin Kyle's life, as well as the owner of the gun Kyle used.
I think there was a much larger group that was volunteering to protect "the area" as a whole. The business owner had three different locations he was trying to protect. The snipers were probably protecting what is left of the first business that had been attacked the night before. Kyle and his brother/relative were likely patrolling down the street originally (where they were confronted in earlier videos, there's at least six or seven people standing on the same side of the confrontation as Kyle). That's where Kyle is seen solo or with one other person in other videos, offering medical assistance and putting out fires.
He just ended up at the same place as the snipers because the police cut a line in and trapped him behind enemy lines. War is hell they say, and obviously the civilian equivalent can be just as poorly organized and coordinated. This is why it should have been the police driving up and down the street in their armored fucking tank that taxpayers bought them to do absol-fucking-lutely nothing useful.
You raise several good points. One is we don't really know who Kyle was there with, or who he even already knew. Did he just go there with one friend and his Brother? Maybe everyone else he seemed to group up with simply had in common that they were armed and wanted to put an end to the destruction?
Also the militarized vehicle. I only saw one in Kenosha, and I haven't seen any used anywhere else. We've spent a lot of money on these, with a lot of controversy. This is the first occasion we've seen where it would've been a REALLY good idea to use them! Compare the amount of damage done to regular cop cars, as well as physical damage to Officers. All over the Country, since 5/26. Deterrence is the best use of force, and this level of defensive force could be used to merely use non-lethals as has been done, and probably less of them because of the deterrence factor.
Yet my Governor says "no displays of force." Fuck Evers! He's a bigger criminal than anyone else in the State.
I 100% agree that the later events are somewhat of a distraction. They're worthy of investigation, but I think the absolute number-1 question is: Should Kyle have Allowed Joseph to steal his weapon?
I did see someone try to argue that Kyle was in illegal possession of the weapon, therefore should have allowed Joseph to disarm him, which is complete clown-world as if Joseph was being a hero, and not worthy of any further discussion.
Kyle's lawyers are saying the weapon was legal.
Wisconsin allows open carry at 16, and the weapon was given to him on site, meaning it didn't cross state lines
My prediction, the prosecutor will argue that Kyle committed a provocative act by showing up to the riot with a gun and waived his right to self defense before Joseph even tried to take the gun. In that situation, Joseph was wrong to try to take the gun, and Kyle was right to shoot him, but it was wrong of Kyle to be there with a gun in the first place, so anything that results from carrying a gun into a riot is on him, including 2 deaths and a maiming.
For the record, I think that's bullshit, but I don't think the DA will find a murder 1 charge in the altercation, so they will have to fall back on his mere presence at the riot.
That argument is clown-world, but that doesn't mean they won't try it.
I can see them trying, but there's no way it'll hold up. You've a right to self defense and a right to bear arms. He was committing no crime, such an argument is mega weak.
If this isn't a LARP and if you're in LE your job is to gather evidence, objectively! Your job is not to prove or disprove a particular individual is or is not guilty of a crime. That's the job of the courts. You comment, that I included, is indicative of and can be construed to be an effort to fabricate evidence to support a particular narrative.
Pretty sure OP knows that and that's why he's being an anonymous whistleblower. Assuming it isn't a LARP.
If this isn't a LARP then he needs evidence of the railroad to pass on to Kyle's attorneys.
I believe that the prosecutor is working on that premise. I believe that he will be acquitted
Shouldn’t this have been finished before the actual arrest and if I j walk or spit my gum onto the sidewalk do I lose my right of self defense?
That all depends. Have you bent the knee to blm?
So the first shooting where someone behind him fired a shot and the pedo grabbed his gun. Kind of a no-brainer self defense situation. I mean they act like this isn’t all on video.
The first shooting is around the cars right?
There was a black dude that rendered aid to the first person shot. I read an article that said that guy is a producer / editor or something. He would be a good witness.
He was for The Daily Caller. Richie McGinnis or something.
Rich McGinniss is not black.
Kyle won’t serve any time for any of these charges. Take that how you will.
He's already served a month
He hasn’t been convicted he isn’t serving time for those charges. Everyone has to sit in jail and wait out the process , especially when bail is set at an astronomical amount
Yeah, and if the sentence is shorter than the time they sent waiting on trial, they get off with "time served". This is counting towards his sentence
Kyle Rittenhouse was being fired on by a self professed member of a black motorcycle gang. A hardened criminal shot into the air as his goons chased Kyle like a pack of wild dogs. Kyle had all reason to assume he was under direct fire and acted accordingly. Kyle was in FULL retreat and had no where else to go, then heard gun shots. Sources below.
https://imgur.com/a/DwZuOye
https://imgur.com/a/lCnvLfR
https://archive.is/QQU8a
https://onepercenterbikers.com/sin-city-deciples-mc-motorcycle-club/
Not really important, but in that second image the tubby dude in the yellow shirt is the one on video saying "y'all don't fuck with us we won't fuck with you, take your anger out on government buildings over there" etc...etc...
He's the larpy bastard that got everyone thinking these guys were teaming up with BLM.
Bullshit. I can't just decide to kill whoever commits a crime while they're fleeing. It doesn't work that way.
Also...
He didn't fire the first shot. He was assaulted by a 150lb+ projectile traveling around 20mphs. He was fleeing the scene to return to his group before assaults or shots were fired. And I think we'll learn that the assailant threatened to kill Kyle while he was being a projectile. And I also think we'll learn Kyle got hurt but we didn't see it.
So solly Chynese shirr
le broke no laws under Wisconsin state statutes, he is completely innocent.
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These Soros DAs think they are invincible.
3 more killings? The one in Portland, what else now?
Well I certainly hope they can legally prove the first shooting was self defense. I didn't think about the scanario of him "fleeing a crime scene" in legal terms anyway.
He wasn't fleeing. He called 911, and was told to turn himself in to the police a block or two away.
I understand that. I just hope everything is clear legally. He's got a great lawyer. I had a feeling it would come down to the first shooting.
Did Lin Wood take the defense case?, or I is he just waiting for the defamation suits after?
He's not a defense lawyer. I imagine the criminal case will conclude first.
First guy: "Shoot me, nigga! Shoot me, nigga! Bust on me!"
Also, watch the videos. Also, pedo.
Case closed, your honor.
With nearly every BLM, Antifa & independent news people with a camera or cellphone-camera everywhere, why aren't there any footage of this supposed wrongdoing by Kyle? BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN the way the lying bastard rioters/agitators are claiming. Bet there were scores of cameras in the area. If Kyle had done what they claimed, there'd be like 2 dozen videos of him doing it. (IIRC there was a raucous before the first shot(s); people would've trained their cameras to record when it started) That no such videos exist is actually very encouraging news. These agitators are known liars and propagandists. Don't take what they say at face-value.
Besides, if Kyle had shot someone at the beginning, ballistics would show this (I assume that Kyle surrendered the rifle and any pistol he might've been carrying).
30 seconds before the 1st shooting you can hear Kyle asking if anyone needs medical (like he was doing all night long).
This drew the attention of the pedo because he knew who was saying that and knew Kyle was putting out fires the pedo was trying to get going.
The pedo spotted him and chased him, threw something at him, Pedo's buddy fired a single shot behind Kyle, Kyle turned and saw the Pedo lung for him.
At this point, we do not even have proof it was Kyle who shot the pedo, it could have been the local white roof koreans on top of that building or another building.
We don't know what was thrown, it was most likely the bag but we do not know what was inside it, was it bottles what was in the bottles?
The detectives have a ton of evidence they are NOT sharing with the public.
The DA wants blood.
The locals are afraid that if the DA fails to get Kyle then their entire town will burn.
Mob violence is chaos.
Yes that makes sense. The prosecution of Kyle's actions in the shootings after the initial shooting (when he was on the ground) depend on the facts surrounding that initial shooting.
Is it possible to be any more corrupt than this? Don't try to uncover the truth, try to make the first shooting unjustified.
Thanks for telling us. Imagine the fury from the armed populace if the attempt to frame Kyle is successful. It'll make KrystallNacht look like a girl's slumber party.
Tell your boss to follow the facts and not the narrative.
They shot first.
Whatever.
Everyone is an “insider” and expert” on the interwebs.
I would say he was attacked by a "large number of people at the same time all with great intent to do tremendous harm"
The 3 attacks are NOT INDIVIDUAL - they are all linked and driven by actions at the same time.
Thank you for giving the strategy to Lin Wood and the rest of Kyle's lawyers.
Prediction: the DA won't find shit to prosecute murder 1 in the first shooting, so they will try to use Kyle's presence at a riot with a gun as a provocative act that invalidates his right to self defense.
But shooting 1 was justified. It was self defense. Go review the tapes again.
Your analogy doesn't fit because Kyle wasn't committing a crime when he discharged his weapon, unless you are trying to prove that as well?
So if (and it isn’t, but if) the first shooting was unjustified, then Kyle can’t defend himself from a vigilante mob hitting him with skateboards and coming at him with guns?
Question - In cases like this, how certain are we that defense lawyers and police have all this information and videos we are watching.
It doesn't matter one way or another. You will all see why soon enough.
Robert Barnes spoke on this matter on Viva Frei's YouTube law vlog (vlawg) this past Sunday, and according to him, even if someone is executing a citizen's arrest or dealing with what they believe is an imminent threat to public safety, you're allowed to use self-defense to the extent that you find reasonable in the given circumstance. The exception to this is if an actual LEO is subduing you. This is specific to Wisconsin which has very broad self-defense laws - much different scope than any blue state. So, in Wisconsin, even if the first is not justified (which it clearly is anyway), Kyle was still within his rights to use lethal force against the others since they placed his life in danger.
And even if this happened in some cucked shithole blue state, he'd still be fine since there's recordings which show Grosskreutz asking Kyle what he's doing and he responds that he's running to the police and then they chose to interfere with him anyway - throwing the whole "I was stopping this imminent threat " argument out the window.
He was fleeing a mob that wanted to kill him. If that's a crime, then prosecute.
This is basic knowledge of law lol
The second and third have close up video, the first doesn’t. There isn’t the clear evidence that it was self defense like the last two. Yes there is video, but it’s further away and not as blatantly obvious.
I've seen that footage magnified and slowed down. It's perfectly obvious that Kyle, who had been fleeing, was out of room to retreat, heard a gunshot behind him, turned around and fired. Plus, he didn't fire the shot that killed him, that came from behind.
Given that there is video of some commie firing a handgun into the air behind Kyle Rittenhouse while he’s running away, it’s gonna be hard to overlook that when trying to invalidate the first shooting.
Plenty of video showing him being chased by that fucking pedo and the pedo even throwing something at him.
Open and shut case.