My local Walmart has someone outside literally dressed up a cop. Uniform and a badge. They're a Walmart employee placed there to intimidate people to wear masks. No joke.
Wal-Mart reversed their policy on masks almost immediately. They won't challenge you for fear of violence. So play up that angle and watch what happens. Do learn your State's laws for assault, because it can be purely verbal. But they're chickenshit.
False equivalency. Wal-Mart is not a private residence and is open to the public. If there is no codified law requiring a mask, you are under no legal obligation to wear it. They have not authority to act like cops, but you have a right to get their badge number, name and supervisor's contact info should they try.
Stores that are open to the public are considered “public accommodations”. They have to abide by civil rights laws, and the Americans with Disabilities Act. Your own private home is not open to the public, so you can make your own rules.
“At the federal level, the Americans with Disabilities Act prohibits discrimination on the basis of disability in a wide range of places of public accommodation, including facilities that offer lodging, food, entertainment, sales or rental services, health care and other professional services, or recreation. State and local governments must eliminate any eligibility criteria for participation in programs, activities, and services that screen out or tend to screen out persons with disabilities, unless the government can establish that the requirements are necessary for the provision of the service, program, or activity. In addition, public facilities must ensure that individuals with disabilities are not excluded from services, programs, or activities because buildings are inaccessible.”
All they can really do is notify a manager that you walked in, who (if they care to) will approach you and try to persuade you to put on a mask. If you don't comply then they ask you to leave, after which they can call the cops and have you arrested for trespassing. (if they ask you to leave, just leave. Don't want to actually break real laws.)
I’ve got a locally owned grocery store in my town of 50k, all the other places to get groceries are mask required, but this place doesn’t care. Some are in there with masks, some not. They do have the plexiglass shields at the checkout but the store employees do not wear masks.
If they physically try and stop you then you can sue.
Kansas is a Constitutional-Carry, Stand-Your-Ground state.
And that's why none of the stores here are trying any of this crazy bullshit.
The quickest way to get shot outside of just existing in Chicago is to grab a Kansan.
It becomes trespassing as soon as a private property owner doesn't want you there. Businesses have the right to refuse service. "Open to the general public" doesn't mean it's a public building.
Yeah but if you don't follow whatever rules they have in place, they can certainly ask you to leave. And if you refuse to leave they can certainly have the police remove you and trespass.
No owner is anywhere near a Wal-Mart. And trying to get their board odf directors to act will take months. They've already decided, they won't press the issue for fear of violence. Most National chains have.
Looks juuuust enough different to where you can tell they're not, but a lot of unobservant or dumb people won't pick up on the difference. Kinda like a security guard/mall cop thing.
This is called "conditioning." Get everyone used to obeying illegitimate authority and you can get away with murder. Fight it at every turn, give no quarter!
My local Walmart has someone outside literally dressed up a cop. Uniform and a badge. They're a Walmart employee placed there to intimidate people to wear masks. No joke.
How "correct" of an authority figure is that?
Walmart is China's bitch so it's not surprising.
Wal-Mart reversed their policy on masks almost immediately. They won't challenge you for fear of violence. So play up that angle and watch what happens. Do learn your State's laws for assault, because it can be purely verbal. But they're chickenshit.
Just walk by them. They can't legally stop you. If they physically try and stop you then you can sue.
Sure they can, it is private property. I can say you’re not allowed in my house unless you wear pink panties on your arm and thats OK.
Walmart has a corporate policy that explicitly states they can't stop you
They have the right but choose not exercise it for liability issues
Your house sounds like fun! lol
Go on....
False equivalency. Wal-Mart is not a private residence and is open to the public. If there is no codified law requiring a mask, you are under no legal obligation to wear it. They have not authority to act like cops, but you have a right to get their badge number, name and supervisor's contact info should they try.
It's private property. They most certainly can tell you to get off it. Why are you even arguing this?
Stores that are open to the public are considered “public accommodations”. They have to abide by civil rights laws, and the Americans with Disabilities Act. Your own private home is not open to the public, so you can make your own rules.
https://civilrights.findlaw.com/enforcing-your-civil-rights/discrimination-in-public-accommodations.html
“At the federal level, the Americans with Disabilities Act prohibits discrimination on the basis of disability in a wide range of places of public accommodation, including facilities that offer lodging, food, entertainment, sales or rental services, health care and other professional services, or recreation. State and local governments must eliminate any eligibility criteria for participation in programs, activities, and services that screen out or tend to screen out persons with disabilities, unless the government can establish that the requirements are necessary for the provision of the service, program, or activity. In addition, public facilities must ensure that individuals with disabilities are not excluded from services, programs, or activities because buildings are inaccessible.”
Thanks. As much as I like to know the loopholes,
I don’t have to wear a mask
Why?
Because I don’t want to. I don’t have to tell you why. Fuck you. This is a free country
All they can really do is notify a manager that you walked in, who (if they care to) will approach you and try to persuade you to put on a mask. If you don't comply then they ask you to leave, after which they can call the cops and have you arrested for trespassing. (if they ask you to leave, just leave. Don't want to actually break real laws.)
This right here, happened to me. I just left my cart full of food and walked out like they asked.
Except lots of counties including mine are not enforcing the mask mandate so if you call they transfer you to the health department
I wonder about the legality of this. I doubt they have a leg to stand on. I'm not sure.
I’ve got a locally owned grocery store in my town of 50k, all the other places to get groceries are mask required, but this place doesn’t care. Some are in there with masks, some not. They do have the plexiglass shields at the checkout but the store employees do not wear masks.
Kansas is a Constitutional-Carry, Stand-Your-Ground state.
And that's why none of the stores here are trying any of this crazy bullshit.
The quickest way to get shot outside of just existing in Chicago is to grab a Kansan.
Any property owner can have someone removed and trespassed.
that's right but that don't mean they can touch you before said trespass
entering a store that is open to the general public is not trespassing.
It becomes trespassing as soon as a private property owner doesn't want you there. Businesses have the right to refuse service. "Open to the general public" doesn't mean it's a public building.
Yeah but if you don't follow whatever rules they have in place, they can certainly ask you to leave. And if you refuse to leave they can certainly have the police remove you and trespass.
No owner is anywhere near a Wal-Mart. And trying to get their board odf directors to act will take months. They've already decided, they won't press the issue for fear of violence. Most National chains have.
If they look too much like a cop it’s probably illegal in your state.
Looks juuuust enough different to where you can tell they're not, but a lot of unobservant or dumb people won't pick up on the difference. Kinda like a security guard/mall cop thing.
This is called "conditioning." Get everyone used to obeying illegitimate authority and you can get away with murder. Fight it at every turn, give no quarter!
Wait are they impersonating a police officer? That is a crime.
Just a Rent-A-Cop I'm sure.