No, it’s really not. It’s also not what the CDC reports on the high end. Please think about it logically. Just because somebody dies with COVID-19 and some other disease does not mean COVID-19 killed them, that is true. Likewise, our hospitals have also had tons of false reporting and attribution to COVID-19 being the disease that killed people that already had underlying diseases that in fact killed them. 6% is ONLY for people that had no other disease and so could clearly be attributed to COVID-19. The number is higher than 9,000 but it’s also not as high as 180,000.
So 9000 that we know the CHINESE FLU killed. First, call it by the name that would have been used by common tradition, not the anesthetized name favored by fake news. The rest had it and also died, so no confident causality of death. Manyeven had some symptoms that could be attributed to it but no test was given. For those fatalities, the average comorbidity was 2.4 or 2.6 (I forget which), which is crazily high. That means a great many of those had 4 or 5 comorbid medical diagnoses that might have actually killed them, yet was attributed to the one that suits the leftist's purposes. I'll go by the stat that actually say with confidence the Chinese Flu killed them, not by a muddy number with zero verifiable validity.
The majority had serious comorbidities. Usually cardiac, respiratory or kidney health issues that were already endangering their life.
Many of the people who came in and died, had these underlying issues but hadn't seen a doctor in months or years. Some of them had never been diagnosed with these health issues, even though it was clear as day that they had them from their tests. Here's an example (detauils and numbers slightly altered so there is no match with any patient chart)
Me: "What have you been taking for your high blood pressure?"
Patient: "I don't have high blood pressure."
Me: "185/110 is high blood pressure. Your BNP is 345, which typically indicates congestive heart failure. Your EKG shows an inferior septal infarct of unknown age. "
Patient: "I've been healthy all my life."
Patient's spouse: "I've been telling patient to go to a doctor for years. Patient wakes up gasping for air, won't quit smoking and has been very sick for months."
I look at patient
Patient: "Yeah, spouse wanted me to come in since last October."
Patient technically died that night in the hospital with cardiac arrest. We got ROSC, intubated the patient sent them to the ICU. It took a long time before patient was able to go home. The patient survived. Had they died, it would have been classified as a Covid death. The patient was Covid positive, but that was only an incidental factor. A cold, a flu, a UTI, or a bad skin infection would have just as easily killed this patient.
The same is true for most of the "covid" deaths I have seen. This doesn't mean it was all of them. A few otherwise healthy young patients we had died from this disease and nothing else that we know of. Those were usually very rapid declines - people dying in a matter of hours. Fortunately, the vast majority of Covid cases we are seeing don't need to be hospitalized. The ones that do almost always have serious comorbidities.
I actually thought that too. But I was mistaken. They are not talking strictly about conditions that make you more susceptible to succumb to covid like diabetes or high blood pressure. Look at Table 3.
They are talking about diagnosis on the death certificate. Covid is the direct underlying condition that leads things like ARDS, pneumonia and renal failure that actually kill the patient. No one dies of covid. No one should just have covid on their death certificate and nothing else. The 6% is what is likely the medical error. These are the ones there needs to be an audit to see if they actually died "of covid" instead of "with covid."
The covid related renal failures I have seen were almost always* in patients that had renal issues before hand (acute on chronic). Skipping dialysis is NOT a good idea.
*We have had a few acute kidney dysfunction Covid patients. Usually it was patients with Rhabdo and Covid that we admitted to the hospital. Although it is possible for Covid to cause rhabdomyolysis the cases I have seen have been from some combination of muscle injury, dehydration, infection and substance abuse.
COVID-19 hasn't killed only 9,000...
Right, it’s like 9200 or something.
No, it’s really not. It’s also not what the CDC reports on the high end. Please think about it logically. Just because somebody dies with COVID-19 and some other disease does not mean COVID-19 killed them, that is true. Likewise, our hospitals have also had tons of false reporting and attribution to COVID-19 being the disease that killed people that already had underlying diseases that in fact killed them. 6% is ONLY for people that had no other disease and so could clearly be attributed to COVID-19. The number is higher than 9,000 but it’s also not as high as 180,000.
So 9000 that we know the CHINESE FLU killed. First, call it by the name that would have been used by common tradition, not the anesthetized name favored by fake news. The rest had it and also died, so no confident causality of death. Manyeven had some symptoms that could be attributed to it but no test was given. For those fatalities, the average comorbidity was 2.4 or 2.6 (I forget which), which is crazily high. That means a great many of those had 4 or 5 comorbid medical diagnoses that might have actually killed them, yet was attributed to the one that suits the leftist's purposes. I'll go by the stat that actually say with confidence the Chinese Flu killed them, not by a muddy number with zero verifiable validity.
The majority had serious comorbidities. Usually cardiac, respiratory or kidney health issues that were already endangering their life.
Many of the people who came in and died, had these underlying issues but hadn't seen a doctor in months or years. Some of them had never been diagnosed with these health issues, even though it was clear as day that they had them from their tests. Here's an example (detauils and numbers slightly altered so there is no match with any patient chart)
Me: "What have you been taking for your high blood pressure?"
Patient: "I don't have high blood pressure."
Me: "185/110 is high blood pressure. Your BNP is 345, which typically indicates congestive heart failure. Your EKG shows an inferior septal infarct of unknown age. "
Patient: "I've been healthy all my life."
Patient's spouse: "I've been telling patient to go to a doctor for years. Patient wakes up gasping for air, won't quit smoking and has been very sick for months."
I look at patient
Patient: "Yeah, spouse wanted me to come in since last October."
Patient technically died that night in the hospital with cardiac arrest. We got ROSC, intubated the patient sent them to the ICU. It took a long time before patient was able to go home. The patient survived. Had they died, it would have been classified as a Covid death. The patient was Covid positive, but that was only an incidental factor. A cold, a flu, a UTI, or a bad skin infection would have just as easily killed this patient.
The same is true for most of the "covid" deaths I have seen. This doesn't mean it was all of them. A few otherwise healthy young patients we had died from this disease and nothing else that we know of. Those were usually very rapid declines - people dying in a matter of hours. Fortunately, the vast majority of Covid cases we are seeing don't need to be hospitalized. The ones that do almost always have serious comorbidities.
It's hard to tell how many people here actually think covid has killed only 9,000 and how many are just being wise guys.
The larger number (150k~ [which is STILL low]) is with an average of 3 co-morbidities AND 90% of that is in older generations.
We're not being wise-guys, we're just being wise. :)
I actually thought that too. But I was mistaken. They are not talking strictly about conditions that make you more susceptible to succumb to covid like diabetes or high blood pressure. Look at Table 3.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
They are talking about diagnosis on the death certificate. Covid is the direct underlying condition that leads things like ARDS, pneumonia and renal failure that actually kill the patient. No one dies of covid. No one should just have covid on their death certificate and nothing else. The 6% is what is likely the medical error. These are the ones there needs to be an audit to see if they actually died "of covid" instead of "with covid."
The covid related renal failures I have seen were almost always* in patients that had renal issues before hand (acute on chronic). Skipping dialysis is NOT a good idea.
*We have had a few acute kidney dysfunction Covid patients. Usually it was patients with Rhabdo and Covid that we admitted to the hospital. Although it is possible for Covid to cause rhabdomyolysis the cases I have seen have been from some combination of muscle injury, dehydration, infection and substance abuse.