Oh, I thought there was a name change! How interesting....
Wasn't the new testament originally written in Greek? I'm not sure....
Yes, the commandment is actually "thou shalt not murder" not "thou shalt not kill." That gets us confused today, because you get the peaceniks who say: "Well, whadabout capital punishment? Whadabout war?" And the answer is those are killing but not murder.
The confusion is due to the King James translation. But interestingly enough the words fit -- in King James's time! Back then "kill" was closer to our definition of murder. Whereas their word that corresponds to our word "kill" they used a different word -- slay.
As for the other topic, Lesbianism is forbidden too, but not as harshly as male homosexuality. Male homosexuality is directly forbidden, whereas Lesbianism is more by extension of other laws. There are several theories why, but ... the one I think works best works like this.
Male libido is a lot more rampant than female libido. I don't think any of us would be surprised that most (not all, but most) sex crimes are done by men. Men obviously need to practice greater restraint than women in this area. The Biblical restraint is to do sexuality with your wife and no one else.
In ancient Greek culture, homosexuality was a lot more open. Though they didn't do it exactly how we do now. What was acceptable was a man having boys -- or at least young men -- as lover. The joking motto was "A woman for children, a boy for pleasure." Even today, this method of using boys for sex is still around in a lot of the world, including the Arab world and Thailand. (You hear the stories of American soldiers fighting to contain their rage and repulsion when they could hear their Arab "Allies" in another room of the base raping boys).
Even today, there is a big push -- well. our idea of middle aged homosexual men hooking up with each other was rare even in Ancient Greece. Again, it was older man -- younger boy (or teen) And even today, I've met more than a few gay men who bemoaned that in gay culture, youth is very heavily prized. Unlike straight culture where a man who's a little older, more seasoned, more mature, more settled in his job is attractive to a woman, in gay culture the 18 year old (and probably younger, unofficially) is preferred -- and they "age out" around their mid 20s.
The Bible aimed to get rid of all that. No leaving your wife along with the kids while you chase boys. You give her all your sexual attention. Because ... one thing for sure -- I don't think its good for any woman to have her husband leave the house to chase boys.
There are other answers too -- I think a man who lacks a wife and children can become very vicious. Think of G-d's first realization with Adam. "It is not good that man be alone." This gets translated in two ways. One is "It's not good FOR man to be alone." The second is: "It's not good THAT man be alone." The first one implies being alone is bad for the man. The second implies that a lone man is bad for everyone and everything around him. I tend to lean towards the second definition.
Because I'll tell you... the most vicious fights I had on the internet were over gay marriage with the gay activists. I'm not sure if my fights with the Holocaust deniers were as vicious. (probably not, since when someone denies the Holocaust, I don't even bother.)
Yes the New Testament was written in Greek. Very fascinating language, the Septuagint (Greek translation of the Tanak) is interesting too. I've only just started taking Hebrew so I cant say much about that, but translating has a way of bringing life to the texts that English just...misses.
One of the possible reasons that I was told for the lack of denouncing female homosexuality is a woman wouldn't dare be without a husband or children back then. Soooo much emphasis on child bearing and then the need for a man to provide. Being an unmarried, childless woman wasn't exactly the place anyone wanted to be. I can see both reasons being correct though.
I've never heard about the kill, murder, and slay things before! Nor have I noticed the differences in translation of Adam being alone. Very interesting! First time seeing the word peacenik before too lol.
Also Holocaust deniers are a special kind of...stupid..I'm not sure if it stems from shame or what but it happens with the Armenian, Assyrian and Greek genocides too from Turkish people too.
There's a joke about... I can't remember how it went... 72 Rabbis went into 72 separate rooms to translate the Torah from Hebrew to Greek and by some miracle all 72 were identical translations. That's the legend. The joke was that.... I can't remember. Something about them not arguing about it.... gah. Embarrassing.
As for the women not wanting to be an old spinster... yeah attachment to a husband was vital. Seems like a funny thing to say, but I've gotten slightly more sympathetic to Laban, wanting to marry his older daughter Leah before the younger Rachel, otherwise Leah might end up a spinster.
But again... people don't realize that the Torah prohibits the action of moral sexuality, not the desire. The leftists usually screech: "Why does G-d hate gay people?" The answer is the very term "Gay people" is a recent invention. Not sure if its Kinsley, but they made themselves sound like a separate ethnic group when really it's men or women with a specific form of sexual ideation. The Torah forbids the action. The ideation itself is not the sin. In fact, rewards for observing prohibitions are greater if you really want to make the violation. The man who loves shellfish but declines gets more credit than the one who is repulsed by shellfish. Keeping this kosher law is easy for the second. It would be challenging for the first. So if the first resists, he gets greater reward than the second. Likewise, someone with homosexual ideation fantasies and drive who avoids the homosexual sex act gets a greater reward than the man who has no interest whatsoever in homosexual activity.
Yeah don't the Turks still deny the Armenian genocied? And that creeper Cenk Uiger... well, I don't really know much about him or the Young turks except he's a leftist kook who apparently still denies the Armenian genocide. I could be wrong though...
I've heard the 72 rabbis thing before..i can't recall either lol
That thing on Laban and Leah is good!
And yes, I agree on the prohibition of sexual immorality thing. I'm still iffy on whether people are actually "born" homosexual or not but the temptation is not sin, it is the following through of it that is. Some don't think it's fair that people with those desires can't practice it without being in sin, but it's never said that life will be fair. We live in a fallen creation, nothing will be fair. I don't know too much about kosher laws to have much input on them..
Lamentations has actually become one of my favorite books lately. The writer is at his limits..but still declares God is good. "He has broken my teeth with gravel..I have forgotten happiness.." But just a few lines later, "I have hope...His compassions never fail..I have hope in Him..."
And I'm pretty certain Turkey still officially denies the genocides happened. Unfortunately Islam and Marxism are competing for the biggest death tolls in history.
Some people say homosexuality is in-born. Others... well, Moira Greyland wrote a very powerful book (The Last Closet). She was the daughter of two abusive, gay parents. (They had kids together but had their same-sex trysts outside of the marriage). Apparently her father was a big believer that the way to create more gay men was to molest boys before they oriented towards girls. (Sex before 8 or else it's too late!).
Oh, I thought there was a name change! How interesting....
Wasn't the new testament originally written in Greek? I'm not sure....
Yes, the commandment is actually "thou shalt not murder" not "thou shalt not kill." That gets us confused today, because you get the peaceniks who say: "Well, whadabout capital punishment? Whadabout war?" And the answer is those are killing but not murder.
The confusion is due to the King James translation. But interestingly enough the words fit -- in King James's time! Back then "kill" was closer to our definition of murder. Whereas their word that corresponds to our word "kill" they used a different word -- slay.
As for the other topic, Lesbianism is forbidden too, but not as harshly as male homosexuality. Male homosexuality is directly forbidden, whereas Lesbianism is more by extension of other laws. There are several theories why, but ... the one I think works best works like this.
Male libido is a lot more rampant than female libido. I don't think any of us would be surprised that most (not all, but most) sex crimes are done by men. Men obviously need to practice greater restraint than women in this area. The Biblical restraint is to do sexuality with your wife and no one else.
In ancient Greek culture, homosexuality was a lot more open. Though they didn't do it exactly how we do now. What was acceptable was a man having boys -- or at least young men -- as lover. The joking motto was "A woman for children, a boy for pleasure." Even today, this method of using boys for sex is still around in a lot of the world, including the Arab world and Thailand. (You hear the stories of American soldiers fighting to contain their rage and repulsion when they could hear their Arab "Allies" in another room of the base raping boys).
Even today, there is a big push -- well. our idea of middle aged homosexual men hooking up with each other was rare even in Ancient Greece. Again, it was older man -- younger boy (or teen) And even today, I've met more than a few gay men who bemoaned that in gay culture, youth is very heavily prized. Unlike straight culture where a man who's a little older, more seasoned, more mature, more settled in his job is attractive to a woman, in gay culture the 18 year old (and probably younger, unofficially) is preferred -- and they "age out" around their mid 20s.
The Bible aimed to get rid of all that. No leaving your wife along with the kids while you chase boys. You give her all your sexual attention. Because ... one thing for sure -- I don't think its good for any woman to have her husband leave the house to chase boys.
There are other answers too -- I think a man who lacks a wife and children can become very vicious. Think of G-d's first realization with Adam. "It is not good that man be alone." This gets translated in two ways. One is "It's not good FOR man to be alone." The second is: "It's not good THAT man be alone." The first one implies being alone is bad for the man. The second implies that a lone man is bad for everyone and everything around him. I tend to lean towards the second definition.
Because I'll tell you... the most vicious fights I had on the internet were over gay marriage with the gay activists. I'm not sure if my fights with the Holocaust deniers were as vicious. (probably not, since when someone denies the Holocaust, I don't even bother.)
Yes the New Testament was written in Greek. Very fascinating language, the Septuagint (Greek translation of the Tanak) is interesting too. I've only just started taking Hebrew so I cant say much about that, but translating has a way of bringing life to the texts that English just...misses.
One of the possible reasons that I was told for the lack of denouncing female homosexuality is a woman wouldn't dare be without a husband or children back then. Soooo much emphasis on child bearing and then the need for a man to provide. Being an unmarried, childless woman wasn't exactly the place anyone wanted to be. I can see both reasons being correct though.
I've never heard about the kill, murder, and slay things before! Nor have I noticed the differences in translation of Adam being alone. Very interesting! First time seeing the word peacenik before too lol.
Also Holocaust deniers are a special kind of...stupid..I'm not sure if it stems from shame or what but it happens with the Armenian, Assyrian and Greek genocides too from Turkish people too.
There's a joke about... I can't remember how it went... 72 Rabbis went into 72 separate rooms to translate the Torah from Hebrew to Greek and by some miracle all 72 were identical translations. That's the legend. The joke was that.... I can't remember. Something about them not arguing about it.... gah. Embarrassing.
As for the women not wanting to be an old spinster... yeah attachment to a husband was vital. Seems like a funny thing to say, but I've gotten slightly more sympathetic to Laban, wanting to marry his older daughter Leah before the younger Rachel, otherwise Leah might end up a spinster.
But again... people don't realize that the Torah prohibits the action of moral sexuality, not the desire. The leftists usually screech: "Why does G-d hate gay people?" The answer is the very term "Gay people" is a recent invention. Not sure if its Kinsley, but they made themselves sound like a separate ethnic group when really it's men or women with a specific form of sexual ideation. The Torah forbids the action. The ideation itself is not the sin. In fact, rewards for observing prohibitions are greater if you really want to make the violation. The man who loves shellfish but declines gets more credit than the one who is repulsed by shellfish. Keeping this kosher law is easy for the second. It would be challenging for the first. So if the first resists, he gets greater reward than the second. Likewise, someone with homosexual ideation fantasies and drive who avoids the homosexual sex act gets a greater reward than the man who has no interest whatsoever in homosexual activity.
Yeah don't the Turks still deny the Armenian genocied? And that creeper Cenk Uiger... well, I don't really know much about him or the Young turks except he's a leftist kook who apparently still denies the Armenian genocide. I could be wrong though...
I've heard the 72 rabbis thing before..i can't recall either lol
That thing on Laban and Leah is good!
And yes, I agree on the prohibition of sexual immorality thing. I'm still iffy on whether people are actually "born" homosexual or not but the temptation is not sin, it is the following through of it that is. Some don't think it's fair that people with those desires can't practice it without being in sin, but it's never said that life will be fair. We live in a fallen creation, nothing will be fair. I don't know too much about kosher laws to have much input on them..
Lamentations has actually become one of my favorite books lately. The writer is at his limits..but still declares God is good. "He has broken my teeth with gravel..I have forgotten happiness.." But just a few lines later, "I have hope...His compassions never fail..I have hope in Him..."
And I'm pretty certain Turkey still officially denies the genocides happened. Unfortunately Islam and Marxism are competing for the biggest death tolls in history.
Some people say homosexuality is in-born. Others... well, Moira Greyland wrote a very powerful book (The Last Closet). She was the daughter of two abusive, gay parents. (They had kids together but had their same-sex trysts outside of the marriage). Apparently her father was a big believer that the way to create more gay men was to molest boys before they oriented towards girls. (Sex before 8 or else it's too late!).