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Can't people open ballots and change your vote via a photocopier? I saw that via the guy who confessed about all the ways he commits voter fraud. So if I show up to the polling center, I'm only verifying that the guy sent in my fraud vote, all the while not knowing it is a fraud vote and go home happy? I feel like that isn't the best approach. I should only go in to cast my vote.
He's trying to make sure that the mail-in system is full of Republican ballots as well as the in-person numbers, so that when they try to recount shit they can't decide they're only recounting mail-in votes and flood it with Democrat ballots.
He's doing two things. First he's getting the other side to admit that mail-in ballots are open to fraudulent activity. He also knows that states don't have the resources to actually track who has actually voted by election day, so people will get to vote twice for him.
Get outta here you damned communist Bastard. We aren't stupid enough to fall for any more of your slander. Go hide under a rock while you still can. 2 more months, slimeball.
The tweet says go ahead and vote by mail. Read it. That’s less than 24h after the excellent Barr interview where he destroyed Blitzer. They will send ballots to an entire voting list, that includes dead people. Someone suggested that tweet to Trump and for whatever reason he said go for it but it legitimizes mail in ballots and undermines Trumps effort to push absentee ballots and voting in person. Accept the truth.
It's actually a terrible idea. If you plan to vote in person then you should not send a mail in ballot at all because you're giving them an opportunity to alter the ballot before it is counted.
So if one were to mail in a ballot early. Then go to the poll on election day they will be able to verify on the spot if your mail in vote had been counted?
I almost think this is Trump's play to end mass mail in voting altogether. Dems and media have spent all their time denying the possibility that mass mail in voting is incredibly prone to fraud. He sends this tweet out exposing one of the many areas of insecurity. The process he describe results in one vote per person it requires both postal service competence and personal accountability from every voter to happen. Which I think most American's are smart enough to second guess both as reliable safeguards to our democracy.
And what's the media doing? Twitter is lit up with blue check marks talking about how Trump is telling his voters to vote twice. it will probably be CNN's leading story for the next week. They've gone from denying mail in voting fraud altogether to breathlessly talking about Trump pushing for a fraudulent election using a method that is only possible when you have mass mail in voting. Wouldn't surprise me if Dem's start pushing for absentee and in person voting only in the coming weeks.
This is for sure a possible scenario? If I mail in a ballot (which I just received unrequested in the mail) I definitely can go to the polling place on November 3rd and they can tell me my ballot was already counted? I worry I will show up and they will be clueless and have no idea how to determine that.
I dont see how it could be voter fraud if your mail in and in person votes are as yourself, you're not pretending to be anyone else and as Trump says they should be able to tell you if youve voted
You're not suppposed to vote twice. It's pretty illegal.
What Trump is saying (to me) is that if you plan to mail in your ballot that you should try to verify it has been received in person on Election Day. If the poll workers are unable to determine if you have voted or not, you may vote, as is your right.
You don't have to just cross your fingers and hope your ballot will be counted "later" after the election, you just vote (for the first time) because your ballot was never received by Election Day.
If your mail-in ballot arrives after Election Day, you did not vote twice because the state should be able to determine if you voted or not and then dismiss your ballot.
Because they can't really tell if you've voted. They should be able to, but they can't. Not in every state. That's the problem. He's forcing them to admit the flaws.
They should be able to verify. In my county your name is crossed off a list once you vote, whether you vote early or mail it in they should be able to cross you off, otherwise people could just early vote 10 days in a row.
Another layer of safety: Bring your unused mail in ballot to the polls with you. That way, if you're not on the voting list, or you're listed as having mailed in your ballot, you can instantly prove them wrong.
Saying he's encouraging voter fraud just means they're not reading the whole thing. He literally says vote, then check that it was counter with officials and if it wasn't then vote in person
Redditers are REEEE-ing the fuck out over this saying, "Trump is telling his voters to vote twice!! He committed an illegal act and should be impreached! Everyday I wake up see the evil orange man take us another step further down into the depths of hell. I need some fresh tendies."
Hilarious. They are admitting that mail-in voting is fraud. Otherwise all the 'safety' measures Trump described would prevent someone from voting twice.
How would I verify that nobody's requested my ballot? I moved recently and I had my name removed from my old state's voter rolls, but I don't know how to check if someone's requested my ballot in either my old or new state.
Every state is different but all states should have a board of elections website where you can check the status of your mail in ballot
I can’t find the local news article I saw of someone saying they never voted in the primary but when went to website they had been marked as they had voted.
Even a problem in Florida where people go to the polls on Election Day and they tell them sorry you had already requested a ballot. And they have one of the most secure mail in ballot methods in the country
He’s right to focus not on Dem ballot stuffing but Republican ballot negation. That’s so much easier and doesn’t leave the trail that fraud ballots would. RNC needs to ID and publicize critical zip codes and get those folks to the polls in person.
It’s a bad tweet because they STILL SEND UNSOLICITED BALLOTS all over the place to people who have moved to another state and will let people vote twice!! And the person that moved will get a ballot to his new address too.
Pay close attention and look a little deeper. 1) if the system works and mail-in fraud isn't possible, there's no problem with his recommendation. 2) but if the Democrats are going to REEEE about his very simple suggestion, have they not just acknowledged an astonishingly easy way to game the system? All while claiming mail-in ballots are perfectly legit and Trump's worries about fraud are baseless?
The fraud exists but not this way. The fraud is the millions of unsolicited ballots sent to old addresses. People can pick them up and vote again. Trump's tweet wasn't about that.
The mail in ballot must be sent and received BEFORE election day. They already have it and as I understand "scanned" its envelope before you ever came to the polls in person. They haven't opened the ballot, they simply registered your name and address (correct me if I'm wrong). So they will block you from voting again. That's why I say the tweet was done to destroy Barr warnings and legitimize universal mail in voting (not absentee where you make a request). It asks people to first vote by mail but the second step won't work so the polls will stop them from voting in person. Aaaaaand the tweet came... less than 24h after the excellent Barr interview on CNN where he opposes mail in ballots.
Thats all great but it doesnt stop the main fraud path, which a 2 year old should be able to detect and could employ.
Just get a DB of dirty voter rolls from the state. Do the cleaning/scrubbing that the states dont bother to do. It isnt tough, they (the state electoral commissions) are just lazy and incompetent.
VOILA, easy to get a DB of all the registered voters who are dead or who have moved. These are "phantom" voter names, easy to use for fraud. They wont be caught, and the people wont complain (because in that state at least, they dont actually exist as living resident voters). Mailing them or even dumping them off in collection boxes makes this entire thing anonymous, with no way to trace back the sources.
Do a chicken scrawl signature on them, and know that X% of them will be challenged by the manual sig match people as being no match. Do them in bulk of course.
I would bet 30% or more make it thru and are counted. Easy peasy fraud. and this is all JUST with mass-mail-out ballots, it has nothing to do with the additional fraud layers of ballot harvesting or individual voter fraud.
This is one of the many reasons why mass mail voting is NOT SECURE and READY FOR FRAUD. Hopefully courts step in, its our last defense.
it's absurd - how is voting in person some how a huge risk? I was at home depot today, it was packed. I go food shopping each week. Went out to dinner last night with my wife (kids were at the grandparents house). I am in a place that was once the biggest hotspot in the world for COVID. Why is voting somehow some event that needs alternatives? We already have an absentee system, and we have an early voting system here. We do not need to be mailing ballots to the entire voter role. My wife still gets election mail in her maiden name (as well as in her legal name) and we have been married 10 years and have moved 3x since. This is just nonsense.
I said to my wife yesterday I'm going to vote twice, once by mail and once in person, because we can;t descend into tyranny and communism and slavery. All Trump supporters need to do this, to make sure our vote counts at least once. I don't care if they fuck up and count that mofo twice in a war for the soul of the world.
Like I said President Trump had this planned years ago. He has more counter moves than a expert chess players. Now our great President is watching the end of the Democrat party and getting ready for his second term . The Second Phase of his plan. President Trump's first term was holding back a little and allowing people to get used to his administrator in his second term President Trump won't be holding back, he shows mercy!!! HE ENDS THE SWAMP AND ANYONE WHO HELPED THE SWAMP FOR GOOD!!!
He is not talking about doing this with absentee ballots unless you are in a state that is doing the BS mailing ballots to everyone crap. If you are in a red state that doesn’t have Mail-in ballots and did absentee then you shouldn’t open yourself up to the risk but in the blue states it should happen!!
Trump must take control of his twitter account. It destroys Barr effort to promote absentee ballots and instead encourages republicans to accept mail in ballots. Another self inflicted wound.
This is absolutely brilliant! First, it's true and a great way to circumvent any mail in votes for President Trump getting 'lost'. Second, if they just happen to have a 'glitch' where people can vote twice - once by mail and once in person - now that glitch has been exposed and President Trump still gets his votes.
Would it make sense to request an absentee ballot, hold onto it, take photos of it, and then check to see if your mail-in vote was counted when you arrive to vote in person? If it has, then someone's playing silly-bastards and you can dispute it. If it hasn't, vote in person. Watch the status of your mail-in ballot as the election nears, if it ever appears that it was received, which is shouldn't as you have it safely tucked away somewhere, you can dispute the claim using the ballot you have in hand, and the information trail and photos you have.
All Trump supporters should be voting in person regardless.
Can't people open ballots and change your vote via a photocopier? I saw that via the guy who confessed about all the ways he commits voter fraud. So if I show up to the polling center, I'm only verifying that the guy sent in my fraud vote, all the while not knowing it is a fraud vote and go home happy? I feel like that isn't the best approach. I should only go in to cast my vote.
The point of mail in is to lose the other side’s votes, much easier than creating fake ones, but they will do both.
A fake vote can be discovered, a lost one cannot.
He's trying to make sure that the mail-in system is full of Republican ballots as well as the in-person numbers, so that when they try to recount shit they can't decide they're only recounting mail-in votes and flood it with Democrat ballots.
He's doing two things. First he's getting the other side to admit that mail-in ballots are open to fraudulent activity. He also knows that states don't have the resources to actually track who has actually voted by election day, so people will get to vote twice for him.
The Dems are losing it.
DING DING DING
Pretty much this. LOL
I love it when Mr Trump gives us a common sense approach to a problem.
Wait...what? Lol.
You're an idiot
Get outta here you damned communist Bastard. We aren't stupid enough to fall for any more of your slander. Go hide under a rock while you still can. 2 more months, slimeball.
The tweet says go ahead and vote by mail. Read it. That’s less than 24h after the excellent Barr interview where he destroyed Blitzer. They will send ballots to an entire voting list, that includes dead people. Someone suggested that tweet to Trump and for whatever reason he said go for it but it legitimizes mail in ballots and undermines Trumps effort to push absentee ballots and voting in person. Accept the truth.
This is what I'm doing and encouraging others to do as well. I have offered rides to older folks in my area if they need transportation that day.
I'll stand in line all day in the rain. My families future economic livelihood is on the line.
It's actually a terrible idea. If you plan to vote in person then you should not send a mail in ballot at all because you're giving them an opportunity to alter the ballot before it is counted.
This. I'm not sure about this process after what we saw with that guy admitting to the fraud.
I'm staying faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar away from mail in voting.
that is true, but keep in mind they'll ALSO try to mess with our in-person voting , they're putting everything on the line this year
You could hand deliver your mail-in ballot to your county election officials. That's what I plan on doing.
Exactly, I plan to destroy any that arrive at my home.
No, hold onto any such mail-in ballot and BRING IT WITH YOU when you vote in person. (either early voting or on election day)
As a good luck charm? Or to counter them telling you "appears you already mailed your ballot in"
Will you know you voted, but not who you voted for.
Top post on Reddit right now is how Trump committed a felony by telling people to vote twice
They really aren't very smart.
So if one were to mail in a ballot early. Then go to the poll on election day they will be able to verify on the spot if your mail in vote had been counted?
Edit: nvm asked below
We need to start emphasizing this hard
I'd prefer that we not have to deal with mail-in voting at all
I almost think this is Trump's play to end mass mail in voting altogether. Dems and media have spent all their time denying the possibility that mass mail in voting is incredibly prone to fraud. He sends this tweet out exposing one of the many areas of insecurity. The process he describe results in one vote per person it requires both postal service competence and personal accountability from every voter to happen. Which I think most American's are smart enough to second guess both as reliable safeguards to our democracy.
And what's the media doing? Twitter is lit up with blue check marks talking about how Trump is telling his voters to vote twice. it will probably be CNN's leading story for the next week. They've gone from denying mail in voting fraud altogether to breathlessly talking about Trump pushing for a fraudulent election using a method that is only possible when you have mass mail in voting. Wouldn't surprise me if Dem's start pushing for absentee and in person voting only in the coming weeks.
Or maybe I'm reading too much into it.
Same, it's garbage. I tore mine to shreds the moment I got it
This is for sure a possible scenario? If I mail in a ballot (which I just received unrequested in the mail) I definitely can go to the polling place on November 3rd and they can tell me my ballot was already counted? I worry I will show up and they will be clueless and have no idea how to determine that.
Then you vote in person, as well. If they can’t assure you your vote has been counted, then assume it hasn’t.
Then you vote in person. Either way you are covered.
I dont see how it could be voter fraud if your mail in and in person votes are as yourself, you're not pretending to be anyone else and as Trump says they should be able to tell you if youve voted
You're not suppposed to vote twice. It's pretty illegal.
What Trump is saying (to me) is that if you plan to mail in your ballot that you should try to verify it has been received in person on Election Day. If the poll workers are unable to determine if you have voted or not, you may vote, as is your right.
You don't have to just cross your fingers and hope your ballot will be counted "later" after the election, you just vote (for the first time) because your ballot was never received by Election Day.
If your mail-in ballot arrives after Election Day, you did not vote twice because the state should be able to determine if you voted or not and then dismiss your ballot.
If they don't, election fraud is exposed.
I agree with you.
Because they can't really tell if you've voted. They should be able to, but they can't. Not in every state. That's the problem. He's forcing them to admit the flaws.
They should be able to verify. In my county your name is crossed off a list once you vote, whether you vote early or mail it in they should be able to cross you off, otherwise people could just early vote 10 days in a row.
They are supposed to cross reference all votes cast and de-duplicate any double ballots cast.
Another layer of safety: Bring your unused mail in ballot to the polls with you. That way, if you're not on the voting list, or you're listed as having mailed in your ballot, you can instantly prove them wrong.
This should be the top comment
Hahaha brilliant
Haha, I just said this earlier. Trump should come out strong in favor of vote-by-mail and then the Dems will start pushing in-person voting.
He should come out strong about losing and how Biden is great. It's a guaranteed strategy to get them to vote Trump.
Saying he's encouraging voter fraud just means they're not reading the whole thing. He literally says vote, then check that it was counter with officials and if it wasn't then vote in person
AWESOME!
Redditers are REEEE-ing the fuck out over this saying, "Trump is telling his voters to vote twice!! He committed an illegal act and should be impreached! Everyday I wake up see the evil orange man take us another step further down into the depths of hell. I need some fresh tendies."
Hilarious. They are admitting that mail-in voting is fraud. Otherwise all the 'safety' measures Trump described would prevent someone from voting twice.
Voter fraud steal your main in ballot and change the ballot with the help of USPS employees.
Just don’t vote by mail.
Check online that no one has requested your ballot. Vote in person on Election Day
How would I verify that nobody's requested my ballot? I moved recently and I had my name removed from my old state's voter rolls, but I don't know how to check if someone's requested my ballot in either my old or new state.
Every state is different but all states should have a board of elections website where you can check the status of your mail in ballot
I can’t find the local news article I saw of someone saying they never voted in the primary but when went to website they had been marked as they had voted.
Even a problem in Florida where people go to the polls on Election Day and they tell them sorry you had already requested a ballot. And they have one of the most secure mail in ballot methods in the country
He’s right to focus not on Dem ballot stuffing but Republican ballot negation. That’s so much easier and doesn’t leave the trail that fraud ballots would. RNC needs to ID and publicize critical zip codes and get those folks to the polls in person.
I can see this system backfiring with millions of dem votes being counted twice in blue states.
I thought some super Blue places were supposed to close all polling stations. What happened with that?
Thanks President Trump for showing me the way! Will be sending mine in ASAP!
It’s a bad tweet because they STILL SEND UNSOLICITED BALLOTS all over the place to people who have moved to another state and will let people vote twice!! And the person that moved will get a ballot to his new address too.
Pay close attention and look a little deeper. 1) if the system works and mail-in fraud isn't possible, there's no problem with his recommendation. 2) but if the Democrats are going to REEEE about his very simple suggestion, have they not just acknowledged an astonishingly easy way to game the system? All while claiming mail-in ballots are perfectly legit and Trump's worries about fraud are baseless?
Checkmate. You can't stump the Trump.
The fraud exists but not this way. The fraud is the millions of unsolicited ballots sent to old addresses. People can pick them up and vote again. Trump's tweet wasn't about that.
The mail in ballot must be sent and received BEFORE election day. They already have it and as I understand "scanned" its envelope before you ever came to the polls in person. They haven't opened the ballot, they simply registered your name and address (correct me if I'm wrong). So they will block you from voting again. That's why I say the tweet was done to destroy Barr warnings and legitimize universal mail in voting (not absentee where you make a request). It asks people to first vote by mail but the second step won't work so the polls will stop them from voting in person. Aaaaaand the tweet came... less than 24h after the excellent Barr interview on CNN where he opposes mail in ballots.
This is the way.
Thats all great but it doesnt stop the main fraud path, which a 2 year old should be able to detect and could employ.
Just get a DB of dirty voter rolls from the state. Do the cleaning/scrubbing that the states dont bother to do. It isnt tough, they (the state electoral commissions) are just lazy and incompetent.
VOILA, easy to get a DB of all the registered voters who are dead or who have moved. These are "phantom" voter names, easy to use for fraud. They wont be caught, and the people wont complain (because in that state at least, they dont actually exist as living resident voters). Mailing them or even dumping them off in collection boxes makes this entire thing anonymous, with no way to trace back the sources.
Do a chicken scrawl signature on them, and know that X% of them will be challenged by the manual sig match people as being no match. Do them in bulk of course.
I would bet 30% or more make it thru and are counted. Easy peasy fraud. and this is all JUST with mass-mail-out ballots, it has nothing to do with the additional fraud layers of ballot harvesting or individual voter fraud.
This is one of the many reasons why mass mail voting is NOT SECURE and READY FOR FRAUD. Hopefully courts step in, its our last defense.
That's my Troller In Chief!
Will the democrats start protesting against mail-in now I wonder?
it's absurd - how is voting in person some how a huge risk? I was at home depot today, it was packed. I go food shopping each week. Went out to dinner last night with my wife (kids were at the grandparents house). I am in a place that was once the biggest hotspot in the world for COVID. Why is voting somehow some event that needs alternatives? We already have an absentee system, and we have an early voting system here. We do not need to be mailing ballots to the entire voter role. My wife still gets election mail in her maiden name (as well as in her legal name) and we have been married 10 years and have moved 3x since. This is just nonsense.
Kinda btfo the post office narrative too
Stable genius indeed
This series of Tweets isn't remotely close to how NPR described it. Not surprising.
Must verify every vote to assure Drumpf doesn't get away with cheating
It cracks me time and time again how Trump manipulates the media. Fuck, I love this guy.
ha ha ha
I said to my wife yesterday I'm going to vote twice, once by mail and once in person, because we can;t descend into tyranny and communism and slavery. All Trump supporters need to do this, to make sure our vote counts at least once. I don't care if they fuck up and count that mofo twice in a war for the soul of the world.
She said illegal
Then Trump said do EXACTLY THE FUCK what I said
Life is good :)
Like I said President Trump had this planned years ago. He has more counter moves than a expert chess players. Now our great President is watching the end of the Democrat party and getting ready for his second term . The Second Phase of his plan. President Trump's first term was holding back a little and allowing people to get used to his administrator in his second term President Trump won't be holding back, he shows mercy!!! HE ENDS THE SWAMP AND ANYONE WHO HELPED THE SWAMP FOR GOOD!!!
Literally no where in that tweet thread does he say "vote twice". What does that say about the basic level of literacy of the left ?
This guy is a genius. Thank you Jesus for our boy Trump
He is not talking about doing this with absentee ballots unless you are in a state that is doing the BS mailing ballots to everyone crap. If you are in a red state that doesn’t have Mail-in ballots and did absentee then you shouldn’t open yourself up to the risk but in the blue states it should happen!!
Mr Trump never said vote twice. He said make sure your respective vote was counted correctly.
Wow, so simple. Who needs voter ID...
It’s not being sent to potential voters, it’s sent to dead people on outdated voter lists
Trump must take control of his twitter account. It destroys Barr effort to promote absentee ballots and instead encourages republicans to accept mail in ballots. Another self inflicted wound.
4D seems to be a bit of an overreach
The logic is wasted on all the sheep still following the DNC. Their level of analysis is complete after, Orange man bad, Democrats goooood."
This is absolutely brilliant! First, it's true and a great way to circumvent any mail in votes for President Trump getting 'lost'. Second, if they just happen to have a 'glitch' where people can vote twice - once by mail and once in person - now that glitch has been exposed and President Trump still gets his votes.
Winner winner, chicken dinner!
How is what he said asking people to commit voter fraud anyway? MSM can be so crazy
They are going to need to implement voter ID in order to protect against our rampant attempts at voter fraud. /s
Would it make sense to request an absentee ballot, hold onto it, take photos of it, and then check to see if your mail-in vote was counted when you arrive to vote in person? If it has, then someone's playing silly-bastards and you can dispute it. If it hasn't, vote in person. Watch the status of your mail-in ballot as the election nears, if it ever appears that it was received, which is shouldn't as you have it safely tucked away somewhere, you can dispute the claim using the ballot you have in hand, and the information trail and photos you have.
Just a thought :D
When reached for comment Trump simply jumped to his feet and did jazz hands
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wwCUE9BAU6M