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Notablitheringidiot 6 points ago +7 / -1

Lincoln wasn’t a maverick really, he was a pretty cookie-cutter lawyer and politician.

I think history thrust him into a position of greatness rather than him seeking it.

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MegoThor 3 points ago +3 / -0

Lincoln had journalists who didn’t agree with him thrown in jail.

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BigMikesBlackCock 1 point ago +4 / -3

I don't get all the nutworship for Lincoln . One of the worst things to ever happen to america was him freeing the slaves . He should have freed them by sending them all back to africa

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somercet 2 points ago +2 / -0

He should have freed them by sending them all back to africa

If the South hadn't seceded, it could have asked for, and gotten, that. By 1860, the U.S. government was large enough to move them back to Liberia, and spend time draining swamps (to cut down on malaria) and clearing new land for the colony, and supporting it until it was stable. Pro-abolition sentiment in the UK was probably powerful enough to make HM's governments help the U.S. in this endeavor.

But the South didn't want that. It wanted its slaves, at any price. That's why planters would pack their slaves into wagons and drive further south with them at the approach of a Union army, leaving behind, you know, their own families.

Slavery and the slave trade was unpopular in America. All the American colonies, now States, outlawed the slave trade in 1776-7. It took a while for the planter class to re-take control of their governments and reinstate it, but they were so powerful in only two states: Georgia and South Carolina. Then the U.S. Congress shut it down in 1808.

Lincoln approved a proposed Constitutional amendment to preserve slavery in the current slave states, but North and South were aware that the free states would outnumber the slave states, and slavery would eventually be ended with a new amendment.

So the planter class went on and on, winning all the skirmishes, until they finally lost the war and lost all the things they might have asked for, and killed 600,000 people (almost all white) in the process.

We should have exterminated the Democrats in 1866. Ah, well.