CONFIRMED: ELECTION MEDDLING -- Cell carrier ghosted my outgoing texts for 10 days
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I would talk to a lawyer. This has to be illegal
Yah i'm pretty sure telecommunications aren't allowed to just block your access for the lawls.
Other than shit like water ways and rail roads, telephone companies shaped the very concept of common carrier. As in, you can call your nemesis and threaten their very existence and the phone company can't stop you and, more importantly, can't be help responsible for facilitating your diabolical threat. They are to be "agnostic" to what is going on their infrastructure. What's funny is this seems almost like a push to reintroduce net neutrality. As in, by implementing these weird controls it can get people to reconsider allowing the government to further regulate common carriers which can be a wedge to push net neutrality.
Ding ding ding on the net neutrality angle.
To keep it top of thread, while there are many options being explored here for Legal Remedy, I encourage all Pedes to aggressively and permanently switch all texting to Signal. Encourage all those who you regularly Com with, to also switch.
It's not a tactical advantage to have all your texts stored, and therefore have them able to be scanned by the algorithms which are not our friends, and those who control them. And we don't know who holds power in the long term, so think about how much information you've sent, which they have forever.
If your data is still functioning, your Signal is working, for incoming, and outgoing. That includes WIFI. So that beats the sms block.
There is no central data storage with Signal, and the Encryption is top notch.
We're in a War. Secure and reliable Coms are essential to our success
The only net-neutrality issue that exists is that service providers are allowed to charge content providers for providing their content. That's a conflict of interest against YOU, the customer. Whatever information the customer requests is supposed to be fetched for them without any bias.
I did a quick look into it. Ideally it would be common carrier. Unfortunately, it looks like the FCC has carved out an exception for SMS messages. It would be incumbent on the FCC to close this exception.
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-18-178A1.doc
It's likely that the FCC would be unable to provide relief for this instance. But, they could prevent it from happening again.
Breach of contract. This can easily made into a class action suit.
Problem is, as u/MarcusAurelius points out, you'd probably have to go through the FCC first because Google Fi isn't the carrier. T-Mobile and Sprint are.
TMobile, sprint doesn't exist anymore.
No, they don't, but their network ID still shows up if you're on Google Fi.
I did miss US Cellular, which is another carrier Google contracts for Fi.
Complain to the FCC. This is almost certainly a violation of their common carrier requirements.
The FCC can revoke their spectrum, essentially putting T Mobile out of business for this violation. Or issue a large fine with a consent decree that they don't do it any longer.
Better yet, find the individual who made the decision and make sure they are punished. Investigate if they only did it to one person or many.
If this action costs T Mobile several million dollars, if that person isn't the CEO, they will be punished.
Should be jail time.
Realistically, it would be civil... I've had the opportunity to work with the FCC many times.
Unfortunately, the FCC clarified that SMS messages are not considered common carrier. So, it's unlikely any punishment would happen to the company. The reason is the FCC wants SMS companies to have the ability to filter spam SMS messages. This was part of FCC document 18-178A1
The most that we can hope for is either a clarification to which messages can be filtered, or a return to common carrier status for SMS.
Interesting conundrum. I'd ideally like to see the customer be able to take charge of their own spam filtering and leave both telecom and gov't out of it.
Check your outgoing texts!
You could be next -- if your outgoing texts haven't been shadow banned already.
No judgment of you here, but I switched carriers two years ago for a then-upcoming foreign trip.
Google-Fi was hands-down the best option until I saw in their fine print that resettling refugees in the US is their top SJW pet cause. That was a deal-breaker for me.
Um, Google itself should've been the massive red flag to start guy. Do pedes here not actively boycott Google anymore or did we go soft?
Google or Apple is no choice at all really.
If we think those are the only options, then they've won.
Well it kindof is in terms of iOS vs. Android. Sure you can get a phone not made by Google but unless you're going with a barely usable Linux Pine phone or a non smart phone, you are stuck using Google or Apple to some extent.
Easier said than done for most people. I'm saying there's not a viable alternative for the average Joe. I guarantee you normal people are not trying to download roms, remove gapps, find a good maps alternative and fuck around with fdroid which is fairly buggy in my experience. I'm a developer and use stock everything because I'm lazy and care much more about the software on my PC as opposed to my phone.
Pixel phone running GrapheneOS. Fdroid and Aurora Store for apps
Teach me, oh great master. If I could remove Google from my life I would be SO HAPPY!
Non-smart phone does sound rather Luddite.. I wonder how much it would move the needle if we started calling them non-spy phones?
I'd rather have Apple protect everyone than let them spy on one innocent individual.
Obama spied on journalists and Trump. The government shouldn't have such power.
We need anti-trust action to break up the mega corps. Until then, they’re immune from boycott so why even bother.
Why bother looking at other options?
Sure, there's truth to that. But OP is stupid enough to intentionally go out of his way to sign up for a literal Google controlled carrier service for his Apple / Google phone to start.
Well I don't think OP was forced at gunpoint to sign up for what's obviously a Google controlled phone service lmao, like what the fuck.
Aside from being forced to use it for work.
Im duckduckgo only
Lawyer up, get some of that Google money
Yeah aren’t all those Google power players pushing for redistribution of wealth? Give them a chance to live their politics! I’m betting they feel different when it’s their cash.
Google Fi uses T-Mobile, Sprint, and US Cellular as their carriers. They provide the backend network.
This is why I use signal for most of my messages. Highly recommend checking it out
why blame TMobile when the email says Google fi ? Lol
they are still responsible.
Google doesn't own any cell towers. They pay other carriers (AT&T, Verizon, Sprint/Tmobile) to use their towers
They're offering a service they have no control over providing. They at least have to refund his money. Breach of contract.
Google Fi is a MVNO for TMobile. in the US. If the cell tower owner is blocking them, it's t mobiles fault.
Exactly right. This could have been the carrier. It's hard to understand the meaning of this email. This shouldn't be taken as fact that Google did it... just suspicion.
Just FYI, I use Signal, which is supposed to be end to end encryption, and had text with controversial news links, and have seen them not appear, even though they are sent from the other side. Any other links or texts, no problems, but if you do shit like td.w, the texts mysteriously sometimes don't make their destination.
Without all the tinfoil, Signal is compromised somehow.
If one end of the conversation is not signal then its not encrypted.
Ive seen this happen where people have signal installed but still use the default messaging app on the phone thinking they are getting the signal protection.
Nope, this was Signal to Signal proper.
I understand the encryption on sending may be solid, I get it. But if I can see my screen on my phone, Google can s"ee" my screen. That's what I am speculating.
The_mcgee, tell me if your a dev or else you're just making educated guesses. Something tells me you're tech savvy but not a dev.
Any other actual devs wanna comment on this?
This is incorrect.
Root access does mean screen access, but does not screencapture or network access/auth to transmit screen captures.
I use signal to talk to my wife and parents, and haven't experienced anything like that. I haven't looked at the code, but I am a software engineer with a computer science background, and I haven't personally observed anything that would suggest their encryption isn't implemented as claimed. The android client has some UI bugs with video chat, but they seem relatively benign.
Is there a more secure alternative to signal?
Not that I am aware of at this time. Don't know why the down votes on my post, I am just relaying my experience that is fuckery more than just coincidence. If anyone has an explanation to why certain particular texts are getting black holed, on an end to end encryption without being compromised, I am all ears.
I don’t know why the downvotes either; I didn’t downvote you. I agree that the cause is likely an intelligent agent, not merely an unfortunate coincidence.
Purely speculation, but it could be a bug that affects messages with URLs in them in general, and confirmation bias on your part if most of the URLs you send are from thedonald.win.
I've personally never had much trouble getting any text messages through signal that wasn't due to a spotty network connection. I always get the hollow "delivered" icon and then the solid "read" icon, or a "failed to send" notification.
Are you suggesting that you see the "delivered" icon but the other end never receives it?
I never had the issue I am having before. In the past, I have been out of service and not had messages delivered to me, and I understand why that is. This was a bit more isolated than that and there was pretty much zero percent chance probably that it was network related, but not impossible I suppose. It wasn't a TD link proper, but it had something to do with the vaccine and I think it was conservative in nature. All I got was the follow-up text of "WTF?" But not the link before it.
Me speculating, it isn't a problem with Signal, so much as maybe the OS of the device maybe recognizing this link and pulling it before it goes through Signal? I don't know how possible that is, but it's not like our phones run on friendly OSs either. Both Google and Apple don't like us.
And it may not be nefarious at all, but way too coincidental for my comfort and a definite departure from my normal Signal experience.
That definitely sounds weird. If it was just a one time thing, though, it was probably just an obscure bug somewhere, and the content was a coincidence. There are millions of lines of code involved, and FAANG tech employees are rewarded (promoted, raises) for launching features rather than fixing bugs. The folk implementing signal can do everything right but still have an upward battle keeping the UI running smoothly due to all the quirks of the operating systems. Half the time I type an emoji, it doesn't show up.
If Android in general was doing some sort of blanket keystroke filtering based on political keywords and manipulating folks' messaging, someone in the development community would quickly notice it and brag about it on hacker news or slashdot. At best, it would have to be telemetry only. I like to believe that Google's lawyers know that such a thing would be very very naughty.
I can tell when Google is doing their main yearly promo review cycle because all the Google apps on my phone look different and are buggier. Folk are frantically pushing out their work to production to make a case for promotion.
90% of Google employees are well intentioned, normal to eccentric people of above average intelligence that just want to do good work and get paid. There's a very loud minority of "social justice warrior" types at the lowest levels of the organization, and they know that they can push things and get away with it, so they do. Plenty of people there keep their mouths shut (beyond muttering quietly at the water cooler aka spa water and beer taps) and don't rock the boat because they like their project and work environment and don't want to risk their firehose of compensation. Some folk even work on projects they don't like because they would rather maximize compensation to build their nest egg. At Google, I don't think there's much intelligently designed malevolence so much as emergent crappiness due to their management style. It works if everyone is a good actor, but at their scale, 0.1% of bad actors is still thousands of voices.
Thank you for the insight!
I highly doubt the down voting is being done by Pedes. Most likely lurking Pedocrats. They were out in force last week. A few still are still lingering. They linger like the smell of a dead skunk, run over on the highway.
Signal is open source so if there are shenanigans then someone would notice in an audit
Yeah, I've heard about them as well. I haven't looked up the pricing of Patriot, but with Pure Talk you can get 1 GB of data, unlimited talk and text for $20 a month. They have higher GB plans as well for just a bit more, but even if you go over the data you pay for, they don't charge you extra. They just lower the speed of the data you use over what you are paying for.
Also, for each additional line they give you a discount.
I did hear that Patriot Mobile donates a portion of their profits to conservative organizations.
EDIT: Just checked and it is actually 2GB of data, not 1. Still $20 too!
I listen to that nigga ramsey. Whos the carrier for pure talk?
Your post was very informative. Thank you.
Hmm, I might have to try Mint out...
I've been on it for about 2 years now. Pretty solid in my experience
My wife is on mint and seems happy. As far as I can tell, they don't support visual voicemail on Android though. I just switched to Google Fi a couple months ago and it's been fine. Worse coverage than Verizon, but the pricing model is nice. I'm not paranoid about Google spying on me more or less than any other carrier though. I use signal for close personal correspondence. They can read all the spam email I get if they want whether or not I'm using their NVMO...
I think it is AT&T.
I switched to Patriot about 2 months ago. Haven't had an issue and it's costing me less than half of what AT&T was charging.
Patriot Mobile is an MVNO on the Sprint Network (Now to be the merged Sprint + TMobile Network).
If you message thedonald.win on Patriot, you'll be banned just the same as Google Fi which is also a MVNO using Sprint/TMobile. They use the same network.
Even Dave Ramsey's team is jumping on the SJW bandwagon. They're hosting "white privilege" struggle sessions on social media:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qa_KywRiHg
This is the first I am hearing of this. It looks like this is Anthony ONeal doing this? Is he doing it on his own or with the Ramsey name? I do see that in the video description he is linking to other Ramsey stuff, but I really hope Dave is not into this garbage.
Anthony is one of Dave's "personalities" like Chris Hogan and Christy Wright. That's his official YouTube page, so that's official Ramsey property.
Your link is literally a referral link -- so congrats, you are publicly outed as a shill.
Lol, I stated in my comment that it was a referral link. I wish someone had given me one when I got started with them. It would have saved me $20.
Which cell carrier?
Partner carrier
why let Google off the hook? Its their service
They are an MVNE. In the US there is AT&T, Verizion, T-Mobile and Sprint. They are blaming them. There are no others. The rest are resellers.
Now I am not a lawyer but this could be helpful if they decide to go down this route.
No discrimination. Basically if they offer some service to one element they can not deny it to someone else. Everyone can have it or no one can. https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/51.311
Also they may have failed at several items under the act. They do need to notify you that something went wrong. Not the other way around.
Now also different parts of the 2 acts depend if you are a Cell service or a land line provider.
Now also being an MVNE their situation is kind of odd. So it could just be a fail between the two systems. It happens way more than you would like to know. They tout 'five 9s' It is more like 2.
10 days sounds like someone locked/deleted the device out at the AAAA Radius feature code level. Specifically there are service codes on each phone (usually several dozen). Those codes turn features on and off in the network (text, voice, VoIP, data, data limits, Disney+, etc) That was either explicitly locked out or deleted out of the database. So it is plausible it was just a network error. Now this is also on both sides of the system too. Google should have a mirror of what it should be on the other side in their AAAA database. But hold them to task and not let them pass the buck. They are the provider not their upstream. It is their system and they need to take care of it.
Sprint is part of t-mobile now.
I know. They have not merged yet. They are still two companies effectively. That will change pretty quickly though.
There is no sprint. TMobile bought sprint and fucked all the sprint customers.
I know. They have not merged yet. They are still two companies effectively. That will change pretty quickly though.
STOP USING GOOGLE YOU FUCKING CUCKS.
Such an easy solution. I guess they just want to keep giving them more money.
I don't use google services. I have no idea what's on their "front page" nor do I care. Google doesn't exist to me.
Seems like a lawsuit to me.
This being a coincidence is highly unlikely, and since they can't determine the cause of the 10 day ban, who can? Someone has to answer the question as to why. Someone is accountable and right now it's Google. Until they provide you a reason or contact information to who is responsible they are the accountable party. This is ridiculous and I would not let this go. Conservatism is under attack and we are surrounded.
google: Just stop being you and it will be alright and your texts can be restored. But you have to stop.
think they are gonna admit that they were banned for wrong think?
For wrong think, no. But they will have to admit to something, I guess they could always go with the convienent damned technical error excuse under pressure. Either way, I wouldn't leave it alone.
One that leftists will make on every institution if they win
Maybe we should try and elevate this up for Trump's people to see. The left are used to the legal gray area of the social media world, but cell/telecom is a totally different animal legally.
I don't usually plug stuff, but Signal is the ticket. End-to-end uncompromising encryption. American owned. Because privacy matters.
https://www.signal.org
@Jack endorses Signal...
US Senate and Snowden use and endorse Signal too. So what?
https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/333802-sen-staff-can-use-signal-for-encrypted-chat https://twitter.com/snowden/status/986277159252750336
This site is getting bigger. So are other sites like Bitchute and Parler. They're finally starting to reap the consequences of all their political censorship. Alt-tech is in full bloom. It's time to go on the offensive.
I saw a person using Parler yesterday. :D
So this is why all the ladies never text me back. Phew!
Google Fi is soo sketchy, I was on it for awhile and was very displeased with the service and customer support.
Wow.Kind of a big deal. What about the FCC? Isn’t this against the law?
Communications Act of 1934 prevents telecoms from listening into your calls and cancelling your service based on it
Lawyer up, you could get rich
Step one.. don't use google
Aww hell no. This also means they're spying blatantly on the content.
They have been censoring any text with thedonald.win in it for me on fi for months
Why the hell are you using google fi?
I'm not just along this because I work for a real cell carrier.
your fucking crazy to have google as your carrier, SUE those fuckers
For goodness sake get Signal app!
Use it for everything I say.
Dude for real, take the time and talk to a lawyer. People have to push back against this shit. It won't take too long or cost too much
WOAH. There has a been a noticeable pattern when my messaging acts like I'm in a dead zone. When I get off work and start redpilling hard. I have voiced concerns of this issue to multiple people before this comment.
I had assumed it was due to the DDOS attempts and I got screwed somehow.
This seems much more sinister, and I feel as if we are in the same boat.
Robospammer spoofed your number for texts. Your number gets blocked on the partner network due to the companies new spam protection.
They ghosted my texts as well to a friend on Tmobile when I tried to send links the thedonald. I'm on Verizon, Tmobile blocked the. They are using the rulling that they can do this in order to block spam. Total bullshit.
SUE THEM IMMEDIATELY!!!!!! WTF! How is this shit legal???????
I thought everyone was long aware of how Google has been manipulating, shadow-banning, blocking, banning all sorts of Conservative news, individual profiles, groups..WHY is anyone still using them if we’ve known this for so long now???
I use Fi also, but never had this issie
This isn’t the America I grew up in anymore...
May I humbly suggest not using google.
im here looking like the guy in se7en, whats in the link?!? WHATS IN THE LINK!?
This is not internets it is illegal, go to fcc take lawyer class action millions of sandmans rip
File a complaint through the FCC. They have the power to fuck T Mobile/Google Fi over hardcore. Since the FCC Chairman is one of Trump's men, he would likely be happy to go after the applicable party.
First, file an informal complaint here. It's fast and might get it rolling. https://consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us
But, if you really want to make sure it gets investigated, make sure to file a formal complaint. Document everything, give times/dates/screenshots. You will likely require a lawyers assistance. Or at least feel comfortable enough working with Federal Bureaucracy.
https://www.fcc.gov/reports-research/guides/taking-legal-action
You should reach out to the Donald Trump campaign to try to get you in touch with an attorney. See if they can pick up the attorney fees.
This action absolutely risks T Mobile/Google Fis common carrier status!
Likely due to this violation, the FCC can seize their cell frequencies, since it usually stipulates that they must use it as a common carrier. So, I guess they can just shut down t-mobile as a cell phone operator in the US, or extract a large fine along with a consent decree.
The spectrum that T Mobile/Sprint owns is worth several billion dollars.
Get woke go broke.
seriously, google has done this with pizzagate, why did we think they'd stop, its digital technocracy. they rule us, were just slowly finding out to what degree.
R/fi seems to think this is about using shortened URLs.
Anyone with fi want to test this?
Google is the reseller in this case. Fi uses T-Mobile, Sprint, or US Cellular in the US. Most probably this was a shadowban by T-Mobile since they merged with Sprint and they're known to do this if your texts match something they shouldn't.
Still, it's discrimination and probably runs afoul of some act much less the 1A.
Pede, why the fuck would you get Google Fi as your carrier? Did you not know what you were getting into?
Hey remember when you guys all laughed about killing Net Neutrality? You know...the law that prevented ISPs from dicking around with your personal data?
Seems like it might have been kind of important now, huh?
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Please explain to me then why I’m wrong?
Net neutrality was never defined or implemented in the U.S. so no one can say exactly what it "would have done". It was supposed to be generally for internet traffic companies to prevent them from prioritizing types of traffic. Not for companies who create the traffic. You might as well say that NN would have prevented Facebook from banning people. Actually what you're suggesting is much more evil than NN. You're suggesting that the government should control what companies can do with their own services and content.
Your arguement makes no sense. You are saying that my private data belongs to an ISP just because they carry it? Can UPS decide what to do with my packages?
OP’s ISP is Google and now that company is demonstrating exactly what it can do with OP’s private messages. He has no recourse sabe Net Neutrality was repealed
You don't have an understanding of who owns what. Internet companies own a great deal more than you think. You/us/me owns very little. Does that suck? Yes I guess. That's why the UPS analogy isn't correct.
Also, net neutrality was never "repealed". It never existed, and there is no official proposal of it, that I'm aware of anyway. That's why people screaming "net neutrality" about everything sound like tin foil hat people. It's time to get over it. The government should NEVER have that much power.
Have a good day friend