These are the old throw away SAWs for training and quals. We are getting the new gucci ones when we go down range. Adjustable stock, rail cover and handguard. Thermals and optics.
Guard units often include more actual tactically useful mission essential expertise — because they’re so nasty in the real world and they carry that knowledge into the weekends, while the full time government bodies are busy strapping reflective belts to things and completing gender-assignment awareness courses.
Nasty girls are like ‘yeah I already drive one of these, but in all kinds of weather’
While I do concede that Active Duty troops spend an inordinate amount of time obsessing over reflective belts.......the rest of that word soup made no sense what so ever. Did you eat too many crayons??
Depending on the individual unit, National Guard units can have a ridiculous level of real world experience that an active unit can't touch.
A good case in point is helicopter pilots. National Guard helicopter pilots usually (notice the term usually) have many more flight hours than their active counterparts.
NCOs My former Cav Scout troop in the National Guard had NCOs with a lot of deployments and every single NCO was prior active BEFORE the 2nd Gulf War. I was one of the NCOs and had attended 1st AD NCO academy in Nurnberg, GE back when on active duty. I also attended small arms repair school for company armorers in Vilseck, GE.
Not all units are that good, but, a lot are. Especially nowadays. What nations military can hold a candle to real world war experience like the US military? The French Foreign Legion is comparable, but, they are more in line with US SOCOM forces than standard US Infantry.
For my job in the Air Force our Guard versions were shit. They would always lose or break equipment and didn't know their jobs from a hole in the ground.
Just basic logic would say an active duty troop would have more skills and better refined skills to bring to a task. Unless your unit is slacking you have all day every day to train, learn, train, make mistakes, learn from mistakes, build team spirit, ect. Guard troops who have one foot in and one foot out can't compare. It's a pure numbers game. Guard spends less time in the uniform, less time doing the job, less time thinking like a soldier, less time refining the skills they need to fight. Even if they have a similar job in the civilian world it's comparing apples to oranges. Civilian cops and military cops need very different skill sets, but both are law enforcement officers.
I don't see how ANY civilian pilot job would really compare to proper non stop military training. It's not fair to compare flight hours 1:1. What if someone spends 100 hours flying tourists around sight seeing Vs, 25 hours of intense training in highly adverse conditions? How will flying tourists around help when you are flying at night with no lights into enemy fire? It's like saying running all the time prepares you for a swimming competition. Sure you increase your fitness from running but you need to train for what you will be doing on game day.
I was in a unit where we could generally have whatever we wanted to carry within reason. We were in very rural Afghanistan so having the M4 so I could pick off someone at 500 meters in a single shot was desirable as well as use the laser/IR, etc... I didnt want to carry much heavier due to load outs for dismounted ops. I did solo carry a short barrel 249 on razor/quad ops though with the m4 strapped to my pack. Frankly we weren't a line fighting force so we either had guntrucks that had a turret mounted weapon and 2-4 240Bs mounted on them so we didn't really lack firepower. Dismounted we had to carry lots of shit. If we got in a TIC when dismounted where we would have wanted a 249 anyway, our combat controller would be calling in air based anyway. Sooo....
Get Some Belt Fed - That M249 SAW is just about my favorite NFA firearms excepting a Thompson submachinegun 1921/1928A1 (Chicago Typewriter, Street Sweeper, Trench Broom, Chopper, Tommy Gun, etc.) configured with the vertical front grip and 100-round drum magazine. That slower chug of the .45ACP is a blast.
Don't get me wrong, MP9s and such are entertaining too, but brap-brap-brap and it's over.
they make a thing called an ALGL mk47 that was significantly more pleasant to pick up. They also had rounds that were programmable to airburst. I believe the cost per round was something like $200. I was running one of these with a 240b on a gun truck in a bad, bad neighborhood in 2010. In fact, at the time I had 1/2 of the programmable rounds in Afghanistan at the time on my truck. I could place one of those rounds into a doorway at 700 meters. Fun.
How to tell if it's prison or military? Everyone wearing the same thing? Could be either... Metal over the windows.... Still can't tell.... Fire extinguishers in every room.... Still don't know.... LMGs chilling on desks. MILITARY!!!!
I am 99.99% sure that it's just M249 and M240B - not different versions, entirely different weapons. By this logic the AK-47 is a bigger version of the M4 by way of caliber. If I am wrong, please correct me on the M249B thing, I've been out of the military for 9 years.
That weapon looks identical to the M240B though, and the casings look like 7.62mm. I can't find anything documenting a weapon known as M249B, I think that pic was mislabeled.
Gonna need more of these in the hands of civies when things kick off. Suppression for fire and movement will be key to eliminating all the faggot commie scum.
Hahaha this guy knows how to sham.
Old trick I was taught as a young soldier was to walk with a purpose everywhere you go. They always think your doing something.
These are the old throw away SAWs for training and quals. We are getting the new gucci ones when we go down range. Adjustable stock, rail cover and handguard. Thermals and optics.
Throwaway? I’ll take it off the DODs hands if there just gonna throw them away
Wanna race boats to the bottom of the river?
They look like they are in pretty good condition.
It looks like this was a deployment weapons class. If so, which platform? I might have been the instructor.
Yeah, all the Parkerizing is worn thin too. Those are Hand Me Downs. Nice shot from the Weekend Wars though.
air force uses m249B
This comment is why I preach "Active Duty > Guard".
Guard units often include more actual tactically useful mission essential expertise — because they’re so nasty in the real world and they carry that knowledge into the weekends, while the full time government bodies are busy strapping reflective belts to things and completing gender-assignment awareness courses.
Nasty girls are like ‘yeah I already drive one of these, but in all kinds of weather’
Nasty
While I do concede that Active Duty troops spend an inordinate amount of time obsessing over reflective belts.......the rest of that word soup made no sense what so ever. Did you eat too many crayons??
Licked too many windows, made too many soup sandwiches, filed too many requisitions for blinker fluid
/SHARP shall advance
Depending on the individual unit, National Guard units can have a ridiculous level of real world experience that an active unit can't touch.
A good case in point is helicopter pilots. National Guard helicopter pilots usually (notice the term usually) have many more flight hours than their active counterparts.
NCOs My former Cav Scout troop in the National Guard had NCOs with a lot of deployments and every single NCO was prior active BEFORE the 2nd Gulf War. I was one of the NCOs and had attended 1st AD NCO academy in Nurnberg, GE back when on active duty. I also attended small arms repair school for company armorers in Vilseck, GE.
Not all units are that good, but, a lot are. Especially nowadays. What nations military can hold a candle to real world war experience like the US military? The French Foreign Legion is comparable, but, they are more in line with US SOCOM forces than standard US Infantry.
For my job in the Air Force our Guard versions were shit. They would always lose or break equipment and didn't know their jobs from a hole in the ground.
Just basic logic would say an active duty troop would have more skills and better refined skills to bring to a task. Unless your unit is slacking you have all day every day to train, learn, train, make mistakes, learn from mistakes, build team spirit, ect. Guard troops who have one foot in and one foot out can't compare. It's a pure numbers game. Guard spends less time in the uniform, less time doing the job, less time thinking like a soldier, less time refining the skills they need to fight. Even if they have a similar job in the civilian world it's comparing apples to oranges. Civilian cops and military cops need very different skill sets, but both are law enforcement officers.
I don't see how ANY civilian pilot job would really compare to proper non stop military training. It's not fair to compare flight hours 1:1. What if someone spends 100 hours flying tourists around sight seeing Vs, 25 hours of intense training in highly adverse conditions? How will flying tourists around help when you are flying at night with no lights into enemy fire? It's like saying running all the time prepares you for a swimming competition. Sure you increase your fitness from running but you need to train for what you will be doing on game day.
The Squad Automatic Weapon. Very fond memories of that good boy.
i think its only designated automatic rifle now
Thirty years ago, in the Marine Corps infantry, it was a SAW. Things always change. Nice to see it’s still in service.
Roger!
I was issued a M4A1 🎉
i deployed with m4 and also used the m4 at my conus station. my second deployment i took m249b
M4a1 has full auto
id rather have the 249, no reload after 30 rounds.
pretty sure the m4 does 900 rpm cyclic sooo... at full auto thats like 3-5 seconds of suppression then reload. whats ur thoughts?
I was in a unit where we could generally have whatever we wanted to carry within reason. We were in very rural Afghanistan so having the M4 so I could pick off someone at 500 meters in a single shot was desirable as well as use the laser/IR, etc... I didnt want to carry much heavier due to load outs for dismounted ops. I did solo carry a short barrel 249 on razor/quad ops though with the m4 strapped to my pack. Frankly we weren't a line fighting force so we either had guntrucks that had a turret mounted weapon and 2-4 240Bs mounted on them so we didn't really lack firepower. Dismounted we had to carry lots of shit. If we got in a TIC when dismounted where we would have wanted a 249 anyway, our combat controller would be calling in air based anyway. Sooo....
M4 all day.
It takes 9 AR riflemen to create the same fire effect, according to Ranger Hooah Scientists.
Thanks for the stickie mods.
I'm sure it will put many rounds through paper targets and never even be seen by a member of Antifa.
Nah, we shootin vehicles at range Monday.
air force security forces DEFENDERS!
More like rivet counters
if you get sent to a fighter wing, yep. I was space wing
I'd be lying if I said I SAW that coming
So, can I get one of these at Walmart?
Or do I need to go to a gun show and exploit the famous loophole?
There is a civilian legal version. But you are paying 10k for coffee table talking piece.
Get Some Belt Fed - That M249 SAW is just about my favorite NFA firearms excepting a Thompson submachinegun 1921/1928A1 (Chicago Typewriter, Street Sweeper, Trench Broom, Chopper, Tommy Gun, etc.) configured with the vertical front grip and 100-round drum magazine. That slower chug of the .45ACP is a blast.
Don't get me wrong, MP9s and such are entertaining too, but brap-brap-brap and it's over.
MK-19 Automatic Grenade Launcher FTW, but target shooting day really thins the ol’ wallet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZYvCUSusQI
they make a thing called an ALGL mk47 that was significantly more pleasant to pick up. They also had rounds that were programmable to airburst. I believe the cost per round was something like $200. I was running one of these with a 240b on a gun truck in a bad, bad neighborhood in 2010. In fact, at the time I had 1/2 of the programmable rounds in Afghanistan at the time on my truck. I could place one of those rounds into a doorway at 700 meters. Fun.
You should try the WW2 era 9mm SMGs like the Soumi. Heavy, but zero recoil. True bullet hoses.
How to tell if it's prison or military? Everyone wearing the same thing? Could be either... Metal over the windows.... Still can't tell.... Fire extinguishers in every room.... Still don't know.... LMGs chilling on desks. MILITARY!!!!
Cold 650rpm, with the new gas blocks. They used to have a higher rate of fire but it was unnecessary. Higher ware and tear.
Give me the old Pig anyday over the SAW. The M-60 could be finicky if not treated right. In my loving hands it was a bullet surgeon.
Change the barrel for me.
i deployed with it too, my second short tour joint base balad
Is M249B a thing? You might be confusing it with the 240B (7.62 LMG)
m249B is a thing
https://www.defense.gov/observe/photo-gallery/igphoto/2001125395/
The M249B is the smaller version. It uses the 5.56 rounds. The 240 is larger and uses the 7.76 rounds
7.76 you say?
17.76 mm. Like 20 mm but better.
I am 99.99% sure that it's just M249 and M240B - not different versions, entirely different weapons. By this logic the AK-47 is a bigger version of the M4 by way of caliber. If I am wrong, please correct me on the M249B thing, I've been out of the military for 9 years.
M249B is not a thing. It's just M249 chambered in 5.56mm and M240 Bravo chambered in 7.62mm.
That's' what I thought. Thanks, pede!
249B is a thing !
https://www.defense.gov/observe/photo-gallery/igphoto/2001125395/
That's a 7.62mm 240B with gucci gear. Back office POG can't tell the difference between a 249 and a 240.
and i was absolutely not a pog I deployed 532 ESFS to balad and 586th to bucca
lol how bout that now that you mention it i see that tripod
M249B is a thing
https://www.defense.gov/observe/photo-gallery/igphoto/2001125395/
That weapon looks identical to the M240B though, and the casings look like 7.62mm. I can't find anything documenting a weapon known as M249B, I think that pic was mislabeled.
it is
Gonna need more of these in the hands of civies when things kick off. Suppression for fire and movement will be key to eliminating all the faggot commie scum.
9 ARs = 1 SAW.
and they said math was for retards
First thing is noticed is a finger “in front of” a trigger.
BWAHAHAHAHhahahaha
Security Forces huh? Do you guard the gate or guard the plane? Asking for a friend.
NO CHAIR FOR YOU AIRMAN!
That's an Airman's job, I'm an NCO.
So you supervise the gate guards or just guard the guns? Enlighten me.
I tell Airmen what to do while I type their EPRs that are past due.
Well I take it all back then. Turns out you have a comfy Chair Force job after all. Integrity, service, and excellence fren! 🇺🇸
Naw man, they special forces, like SEALs and DELTA, when the SEALs and Delta are on duty guarding fixed positions.
greeting of the day, plane-mate!
"I shall call him Minimi." - Dr. Evil (some movie I didn't actually watch)
Original name before it was adopted by the US military was FN Mini and the 240 was FN MAG.
"FN Mini" ... Are you sure?
Okay, semantics. FN Minimi. Fucking Belgians.
And he's ready with a quick barrel changeout
SAW’s are straight badass
Belt fed doesn’t have a magazine. Mag limits don’t apply.
Actually it also takes M16 magazines.
Shhh. Leftist Politicians don’t know anything about guns.
SAW (Squad Assault Weapon)
This is what was rumored to be used at the Vegas massacre that everyone forgot about.