Ask him to support his side without saying a single negative thing about anything, and also never mentioning Trump. He won't be able to do it
Point out that hate is corrosive. It's a non political way of showing what's going on inside each person brainwashed to hate.
The democrats want to save us all from climate change! Democrats will end all racism and force re-education on whites! Biden promised to end cancer and covid!! They will look at reparations for black people!!
WhaaaTTT? Are you fucking kidding me?? TIM SCOTT IS AN UNCLE TOM. Also talking about 75 years ago is a WHATABOUTISM. Nice Russian playook you have there. Democrats NEED POWER NOW, only then can we begin to HEAL. BIDEN WILL HEAAAALLLL. IM GOOONAA HEEEEEEEEEAAAAAALLLL AHHHHHH
I always talk actual track records. Lefties are great for screeching in reaction, but their actual track record in their zones is horrendous. I'm in dirt poor sc right now and the quality of life is better than 99% of life I ever lived out west in commiefornia.
That "russian" intel officer [per fake senate report] is actually a ukranian who also worked very closely with joe bidens people in ukraine when joe was running that shitshow for obama.
Dbongino has a recent podcast about just exactly that. I forget exactly when it was but he gives you the details... and ofc once again the story goes like this
The very same russian intel officer [claimed by the senate report] that says manafoet was.cozy with, ALSO worked very closely with biden in the ukraine during obamas 2nd term.
Was that not collusion??
Its fake becuz we know theyre lying. They are picking and choosing what to be enraged about and have no principles
And that committee is run by the faggot mark warner. Idk who the rinocuck chairman is, but he isnt one of us. Warner is 100% faggot dem
Does your bro believe in having standsrds or principles? Just show him all the times dems say rules for thee y not me
My brother is/was always a republican. He's a smart guy and glad we can, at least, have these civil debates.
This is the rest of his message:
"his campaign manager was giving polling data to a russian intelligence officer so they could fuck with our elections. He went to prison but is now sitting on his couch. roger stone lied to protect trump and is now sitting on his couch.
It's really frustrating to me that this does not bother more people.
Heck I'd take Jim Jordan or Devin Nunes as President right now. At least I feel they'd rise to the occasion."
stone didnt lie to protect trump... stone said he had no direct knowledge of wikileaks emails and the fbi didnt believe him and said he was lying. the judge also didnt believe him and said he was covering for trump... but no evidence was shown. The judge was dirty and the foreman of the jury was a trump hater and democrat activist. the trial was tainted and it will be appealed.
The entire case was based on the assumption that russia hacked the email. that is now a provable lie. the emails had to be downloaded on site .
company that testified about russian hack now says no proof...
You are a freaking Saint!!! Thank you! This is the one area I have dug into. I, want more than anything, to change my brother's mindset because I still think his mind can be changed. He's smart enough to read the other side and make sense of it.....i think lol
The battle to be won is in support of nationalism or Globalism.. If a person is a globalist at heart they will never stomache GEOTUS, but if a person believes that countries matter along with cultural differences then America First is the only policy for Americans .
The us will never make china in its own image, but china has a real chance to make the world a globalist empire based on the CCP model.
Ask him about Brexit. The same forces of Nationalism and Globalism have turned British politics upside down. Its not a left right paradigm. Its a corportist globalist elite Oligarchy against National self determination.
Find out what he does
support , and you might be surprised to find trump is more progressive than Joe Blo.. Trump has a better chance of delivering single payer health care than joe who said he would not sign it if it was on his desk .
What is the myemail link? Says not secure. I jjst took a yearly cyber security course for work and it's made me quadruple think anything i click on lol
Forensic Data Proves DNC
Was Not Hacked by Russia
Greetings!
William Binney, former Technical Director of NSA goes over the proof that the DNC emails published by Guccifer 2.0 were downloaded locally and not hacked remotely, as perpetrated by the Establishment politicians, the US Department of Justice and in an Intelligence Community Assessment Report by selected analysts from NSA, CIA and FBI issued in January 24, 2017.
Binney says the highest transfer rate was 49.1 megabytes per second, which is much faster than possible from a remote online connection. He says some colleagues challenged this assumption and ran various tests, from the Netherlands, Albania, Belgrade and in the UK and he says, "The fastest rate we got was from a data center in New Jersey...to a data center in the UK and that was 12 megabytes per second, which is less than a fourth of the rate necessary to transfer the data, as it was listed from Guccifer 2.0... However, it is the perfect download rate for a thumb drive ." He says their findings don't prove who did it but they do prove that the data breach was local and did not consist of an overseas hack.
The next observation made by Binney seems to mesh with statements recently made by alleged Seth Rich murder witness , "Luke" who claims that US Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein had long been running an operation to monitor and to manipulate the DNC's emails.
Guccifer 2.0 posted data on July 5th and on September 1st, 2016. "If you looked at it and you ignored the hour and the date but looked at minutes seconds and milliseconds, those two datasets merged just like that. So, that meant that Guccifer 2.0 was manipulating the data. He was taking one file down, splitting it into two parts, issuing one for the 5th of July and one for the 1st of September; so he's fabricating...this shows he's manipulating and and changing the data and so, the whole thing about Guccifer 2.0 is a fabrication...it's worse than that, though..."
Binney makes a face and describes how the FBI and the CIA were basing their whole case about Russian hacking on this fabricated data and more embarrassingly for him, since he worked there for decades, NSA officially stated that it had "moderate confidence" that the emails were authentic.
Binney says NSA has access to all Internet traffic and are able to categorically say who hacked what from where. The fact that they never came forward with these details is what initially told him that the US Government's allegations about the DNC emails are false.
Former FBI Director James Comey, former CIA Director John Brennan and other members of the US political establishment are using this fabricated Guccifer 2.0 data as evidence of Russian hacking. Their chicanery is based on digital manipulation that is easy for anybody to understand. Even worse, they and other establishment Democrats keep repeating that "17 US intelligence agencies" have vouched for the authenticity of these Guccifer 2.0 logs, which is a lie.
Meanwhile, WikiLeaks publisher, Julian Assange has offered to give proof from his end that the DNC emails were not hacked by the Russians and Kim Dotcom, New Zealand founder of MegaUpload has offered to provide evidence that Seth Rich was the leaker.
Binney confirms that an FBI report exists, which says that Seth Rich's computer had information going back and forth to WikiLeaks and that NSA would easily be able to substantiate this report.
I don’t know the details about that right now, but I clicked on link via iPad and copied the main part of the page below:
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Greetings!
William Binney, former Technical Director of NSA goes over the proof that the DNC emails published by Guccifer 2.0 were downloaded locally and not hacked remotely, as perpetrated by the Establishment politicians, the US Department of Justice and in an Intelligence Community Assessment Report by selected analysts from NSA, CIA and FBI issued in January 24, 2017.
Binney says the highest transfer rate was 49.1 megabytes per second, which is much faster than possible from a remote online connection. He says some colleagues challenged this assumption and ran various tests, from the Netherlands, Albania, Belgrade and in the UK and he says, "The fastest rate we got was from a data center in New Jersey...to a data center in the UK and that was 12 megabytes per second, which is less than a fourth of the rate necessary to transfer the data, as it was listed from Guccifer 2.0... However, it is the perfect download rate for a thumb drive ." He says their findings don't prove who did it but they do prove that the data breach was local and did not consist of an overseas hack.
The next observation made by Binney seems to mesh with statements recently made by alleged Seth Rich murder witness , "Luke" who claims that US Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein had long been running an operation to monitor and to manipulate the DNC's emails.
Guccifer 2.0 posted data on July 5th and on September 1st, 2016. "If you looked at it and you ignored the hour and the date but looked at minutes seconds and milliseconds, those two datasets merged just like that. So, that meant that Guccifer 2.0 was manipulating the data. He was taking one file down, splitting it into two parts, issuing one for the 5th of July and one for the 1st of September; so he's fabricating...this shows he's manipulating and and changing the data and so, the whole thing about Guccifer 2.0 is a fabrication...it's worse than that, though..."
Binney makes a face and describes how the FBI and the CIA were basing their whole case about Russian hacking on this fabricated data and more embarrassingly for him, since he worked there for decades, NSA officially stated that it had "moderate confidence" that the emails were authentic.
Binney says NSA has access to all Internet traffic and are able to categorically say who hacked what from where. The fact that they never came forward with these details is what initially told him that the US Government's allegations about the DNC emails are false.
Former FBI Director James Comey, former CIA Director John Brennan and other members of the US political establishment are using this fabricated Guccifer 2.0 data as evidence of Russian hacking. Their chicanery is based on digital manipulation that is easy for anybody to understand. Even worse, they and other establishment Democrats keep repeating that "17 US intelligence agencies" have vouched for the authenticity of these Guccifer 2.0 logs, which is a lie.
Meanwhile, WikiLeaks publisher, Julian Assange has offered to give proof from his end that the DNC emails were not hacked by the Russians and Kim Dotcom, New Zealand founder of MegaUpload has offered to provide evidence that Seth Rich was the leaker.
Binney confirms that an FBI report exists, which says that Seth Rich's computer had information going back and forth to WikiLeaks and that NSA would easily be able to substantiate this report.
Hurrr durr bill clinton has associated closely with a child molester rapist and human trafficker jeff epstein, its really frustrating to me that this does nkt bother more people.
Let it go. If you fuck up your fam it often won’t recover; over time people come around. If he respects you in the least he will have a glimmer of doubt about his own position and that doubt will grow on its own.
HE'S USING A CLASSIC LEFT WING PROPAGANDA TECHNIQUE ON YOU
Every allegation he has made is false but by making so many in quick succession he's preventing you from showing them to be lies.
Ask him to identify the single most terrible most criminal thing Trump has done. Not a list or a pattern or an association, but the single worst act by Trump as President.
He probably can't do it.
If he does identify something, confirm that it's the absolute worst thing. Make sure he's sure.
yea man i HATE that shit. I've learned to force them down into the details of one topic at a time and then they disappear. I'm trying to figure out where to even start here.
As I said, ask him to identify the single most terrible most criminal thing Trump has done. Not a list or a pattern or an association, but the single worst act by Trump as President.
I did it with a friend of mine and he responded that Trump was insufficiently tough on China (seriously). That was weeks ago and I still haven't stopped laughing at him.
I got a good reply from him. I was going to ask "how are they meddling to help Trump?" Anything else i should add?
"I have no allegiance to the Bidens but they're not owned by China. Trump has not said one cross word about Russia. He meets Putin in secret with no notes. He's doing nothing while Russia has bounties on our troops. He possibly colluded with Russia. Maybe he didn't, but if he did Russia knows about it and they'll have receipts. He's laundered their money for years. This isn't me making stuff up, it's fact. As for the coronavirus, his administration essentially ignored that pandemic for two or three months and downplayed it. If we'd had strong leadership from the beginning we'd have long been past this. We'd be putting out fires. He was on his golf course and going to rallies all the way up to March 8. He stopped travel from China, but then acted like that alone was going to get rid of it. We're knocking on the door of 200,000 dead. Not sure how any rational person can call that a success when you see what they did in South Korea, Japan, Italy, Spain. Other countries are horse laughing us right now.
And you know who said we'd fist fuck Russia in the ass if they didn't stop fucking with our soldiers? Joe Biden. Again, he's by no means my first choice but he'll bring back decency to the office and improve our standing in the world
He's doing zero to keep the Russians from meddling in our elections again. That's what makes America great is our elections and he's doing everything he can to undermine them. It's scary. And he has people cheering him on, which is even scarier."
Hunter Biden got $1.5 billion from China. source. What did Russia ever give Trump?
The bounties on our troops story is fake news. The money laundering is totally made up. Saying something is a fact doesn't make it so.
Joe Biden wants to start a war (with anyone, really), just like Hillary. Yes, the same Hillary who agreed to a reset in relations with Russia.
Russia didn't meddle (whatever that means). The only evidence of any Russian action is $100,000 is Facebook ads (that were just divisive and didn't help either candidate). That's nothing. Totally meaningless.
Wow! Do you have all this shit on standby? I'm definitely going to get organized and save all of this. I just sent him all that info. Let's see what he comes back with now.
Want me to keep posting the replies? Definitely don't want to overstay my welcome! If you're in Dallas area, drinks on me
No, he actually believes it even with my responses saying something about a 1000 page report about russia meddling being fact. Ugh. Appreciate the help. I'll take it from here. This has been a GREAT START.
BY THE WAY, HE'S DOING THE LEFT WING PROPAGANDA THING AGAIN.
Being beholden to our biggest adversary isn't a single thing he did. It doesn't even mean anything. And now he's back to making tons of false allegations in quick succession.
TELL HIM HE'S TRYING TO GASLIGHT YOU (WHICH IS TRUE) AND THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LET HIM DO IT ANYMORE.
Assuming he stays on those issues, what's next is to explain how:
President Trump no longer runs Trump enterprises (and hasn't since 2016). Moreover, he prohibited his children from expanding the company overseas, and as a result the family has been selling assets for years. Source
President Trump has expanded sanctions on Russia. In fact, he went otugher on Russia in just 18 months than Obama went in eight years. Source
President Trump has aggressively responded to the coronavirus. Source
Manafort did not hand over polling data to the russians. He shared polling data with a ukranian business associate of his that the cia says was believed to have ties to russia, but no evidence he was tied to russia government or that he shared the info with russia. Manafort lied that he gave data to his business partner and was charged with lying, not collusion.
Any wrong doing by the Russians in Muellers report was taken from nuness report. Mueller wasn't investigating Russian collusion or else he would have known who fusion gps was. His purpose was to create an obstruction of justice case using what everyone knew was a bullshit case as a foundation. Trump was obstructing injustice.
He is towing the leftist MSM narrative and said "he won't let it go" so what's the point in arguing. He is in a bad place right now seething that trump will win again. Talk to him in a year or two after all economic recovery and BLM fades again
Yes. Actually , half hispanic. Mom is mexican American. You'd maybe guess i was a half breed. You'd NEVER guess he was. My mom even likes Trump. Go figure
Your brother clearly didn’t read the mueller report. The last section in part one talks about someone from Putin’s inner circle reaching out to hope hicks so Putin can congratulate trump. It takes two days to get confirmation from a professor that the guy that reached out is really associated with Putin. Strange that a campaign that was coordinating with Russia would have to do that.
Your Bro sounds like CNN & MSNBC's parrot. Which makes this pretty simple actually. Statement's like Trump's a traitor and fully leveraged by Russian Interests, etc etc... were touted by all the National Television News Anchor's with live interviews of Obama Admin Higher Ups & Higher Ups of Many Gov. Agencies including The FBI & CIA Not only echoing those sentiments but claiming to have ample evidence to support them.
This wen't on for months and months before a national audience. Salacious Russian PeePee Tapes & Dossiers of sexy Russian Trump Parties & Dirty Deals. Spawning investigations costing millions, yada yada yada...
Remember now, we are just trying to convince your bro. This is for him. I wanna acknowledge some stuff. The GOP does totally cover for Trump. As they should, like The DNC totally covers for any Democrat. Trump's no angel, tax evasion is a national pastime and there very well could be some minor malfeasance there. It doesn't concern me. Not being obsessed with perfection, offended by the lack of it. or having the need to live in an illusionary world of it. But, Russia Russia Russia!!! & Mueller... That is another story.
The most important scientific point of absolute, indisputable, undeniable truth of any of this. Is the single fact that before any of this Russian Collusion really got rolling. Before any grim faced anchors calling Trump a Russian Traitor. Before any Obama Era Higher Ups went on National Television, Claiming to have in their possession "ample evidence" of collusion...
Every last one of the Obama Era Higher Ups. Sat before Congress and testified they had 0 evidence of anything at all. Then they proceeded to knowingly lie on National Television day in and day out, for years. Saying they had "ample evidence".
The only reason any of this came to light because Richard Grenell declassified this information after Schiff had been "Threatening" to for years. Wielding even the evidence of he debased lying on National TV as a bludgeon against Trump.
How can you trust any of that? Anything at all, said or claimed on TV during that event. Based on the evidence presented now. And yet, here we are. Way past the fact this was all complete BS and your Bro parrots those fabrications out like it's the Gospel of Christ. Ridiculous, is the norm in The Era of Yellow Journalism.
That's enough for me to cry BS! Idk about your bro, but that's heinous enough for me. And, that's leaving out a lot of the crap the Dems pulled to fabricate that yarn. Hell, Adam Schiff made up a phony call between the president and some bad actor. I can't remember who, but he was trying to get him impeached and all. Then he laughed it off like it was some kind of joke. Shit's crazy bruh!
Never mind, the basis for the Mueller investigation, Steele Dossier was paid for by the DNC. And after having been unable to vet this Dossier and finding it to be completely unsubstantiated. The FBI hid this from the FISA Courts and still got warrants on what they knew to be bunk.
It's just incredible to me how people will pass over tangible, credible, obvious examples of massive and widespread corruption like this. But, latch on to completely un-based nonsense because the people on TV got emotional and told them so. Like a magician shooting foam balls over their heads. Never bothering to create an understanding of a timeline of events and decide what's of value to them. The value is supplied not generated, easier that way.
Damn dude, i feel like i need to pay money for this explanation! Haha
You're exactly right as his repsonse to the FISA warrant was "so what he only changed 4 words on the email."
Something tells me he'll never ever come over to the other side. The brainwash has infiltrated his entire soul
Just start bringing up how bad Bernie got screwed by the DNC. Ask him if he believes in the DNC after how they cheated Bernie out of a victory. Ask him if he trusts them after that. Try to turn him into a non-voter.
Just start bringing up how bad Bernie got screwed by the DNC. Ask him if he believes in the DNC after how they cheated Bernie out of a victory. Ask him if he trusts them after that. Try to turn him into a non-voter.
No politician is obligated to release tax returns. Tons of Democrats have been prosecuted for tax fraud. If Trump cheated or was compromised by his taxes, Obama would have prosecuted him. But there was no there there in taxes or Russia.
"No, he was an intelligence officer. Says so in volume 5 of the senate report. Read it,its interesting.............and to be fair, the Obama administration probably dropped the ball on some of this, but I can understand maybe why they did what they did. I'm sure they put thought into the decisions they made, whehter they ended up being the right ones or not."
Ask him if there was so much malphesants and corruption discovered in the Mueller report why hasn't he gone to jail? And why do they keep bringing out new stories and fabricate new reasons to dislike or impeach the president ? Tell him the Mueller report was a farce and that Kevin Cleinsmith pled guilty to falsy editing FBI data to spy on an incoming president , back in the day if someone even had a wire tap in a hotel where political decisions were discussed they were impeached or resigned ( Watergate )
Its of no use. I have a brother that is buried deep in that cult too. Let them go. Eventually we will be able to say" I told you so". Focus on the strength of your own immediate family. They don't belive in logic as liberalism is a mental disorder built on racism, lies, division, welfare, equality, inclusivity, non-acceptance, murder, Marxism, laziness and the support of such. All liberals want is to destroy what others have because they re too lazy to build and or earn their own.
You can't reason with him until he sees the truth and learns for himself. I deal with a guy at work that spews that same crap all night. Then he tries to gaslight everyone by saying all conservatives are nazis, racist, fascists the whole libtarded anthem. Let them believe what they like, just don't let their pessimistic views corrupt anybody that's on the political fence.
Also I already had this same fight with my brother. We agreed to disagree and don't discuss politics anymore. Much better solution than forcing yourself into a position where you need to change his mind
Saying he’s compromised with no evidence. Saying he’s a traitor without evidence.
Illogical mindless hate is an emotion— not an argument.
If the Mueller Report found 10 instances of obstruction, why were they not pursued? It’s well documented at this point that Comey fabricated the call for a special counsel. Further it’s well documented that the Mueller probe was trash and relied on fabricated evidence to spy on a sitting president (see klinesmith).
The degree of “help” is laughable and described in detail by Mueller. Contrast that with what we’ve learned about the Democrats and Ukraine. Watch the various countries who are openly advocating for Biden this cycle.
His campaign manager gave polling data to Russians?! Oh my dear god! That’s definitely worse than the democrats using the Intelligence community to spy on political opposition.
I’m going to guess he listens to a lot of NPR. They take fragments without context to suggest guilt by implication.
He has shifted the burden of disproving his trash views to you. I call this the logical fallacy of bullshit. Don’t do his work for him. Make him prove it.
You do not reach someone like this by logic and reason. They are told that people who disagree with them are dumb. Thinks he’s better than you.
You must mock and insult him for holding these beliefs. Mock his sources. That may encourage him to do more research to defend his points and he May unintentionally redpill himself.
Richard Maddow
Ask him to support his side without saying a single negative thing about anything, and also never mentioning Trump. He won't be able to do it Point out that hate is corrosive. It's a non political way of showing what's going on inside each person brainwashed to hate.
The democrats want to save us all from climate change! Democrats will end all racism and force re-education on whites! Biden promised to end cancer and covid!! They will look at reparations for black people!!
Great, why haven't they done that in the districts they've controlled for 75+ years.
Tim Scott's opportunity zone plan has done more than everything the left has tried.
WhaaaTTT? Are you fucking kidding me?? TIM SCOTT IS AN UNCLE TOM. Also talking about 75 years ago is a WHATABOUTISM. Nice Russian playook you have there. Democrats NEED POWER NOW, only then can we begin to HEAL. BIDEN WILL HEAAAALLLL. IM GOOONAA HEEEEEEEEEAAAAAALLLL AHHHHHH
I always talk actual track records. Lefties are great for screeching in reaction, but their actual track record in their zones is horrendous. I'm in dirt poor sc right now and the quality of life is better than 99% of life I ever lived out west in commiefornia.
Call him a faggot and tell your mom it is not her fault.... she raised you well.
haha. He's not on that level yet. My other brother, though, absolutely is.
mueller found 10 instances... really.? How many of those instances did he prosecute?? Oh zero?? 0 ?? Thats what j thought.
Paul manafort was setup by the black ledger. A document fukl of more bullshit yhan the dossier, that was never verified .. like the dossier.
You say ur bro is a republican?? He sounds like a fucking faggot reeeecucklican. Wher does he get his "news" from??
exactly! Not sure what happened to him. Probably some dumb ass chat room or reddit
That "russian" intel officer [per fake senate report] is actually a ukranian who also worked very closely with joe bidens people in ukraine when joe was running that shitshow for obama.
Dbongino has a recent podcast about just exactly that. I forget exactly when it was but he gives you the details... and ofc once again the story goes like this
Obama people work with russian intel; good🤓
Trump ppl worked with same guy; bad🤓
Why do you say fake senate report? Just curious in case I bring that up to him because he sent me a link to it
Becuz its rehashed mueller garbage.
The very same russian intel officer [claimed by the senate report] that says manafoet was.cozy with, ALSO worked very closely with biden in the ukraine during obamas 2nd term.
Was that not collusion??
Its fake becuz we know theyre lying. They are picking and choosing what to be enraged about and have no principles
And that committee is run by the faggot mark warner. Idk who the rinocuck chairman is, but he isnt one of us. Warner is 100% faggot dem
Does your bro believe in having standsrds or principles? Just show him all the times dems say rules for thee y not me
My brother is/was always a republican. He's a smart guy and glad we can, at least, have these civil debates.
This is the rest of his message:
"his campaign manager was giving polling data to a russian intelligence officer so they could fuck with our elections. He went to prison but is now sitting on his couch. roger stone lied to protect trump and is now sitting on his couch. It's really frustrating to me that this does not bother more people. Heck I'd take Jim Jordan or Devin Nunes as President right now. At least I feel they'd rise to the occasion."
stone didnt lie to protect trump... stone said he had no direct knowledge of wikileaks emails and the fbi didnt believe him and said he was lying. the judge also didnt believe him and said he was covering for trump... but no evidence was shown. The judge was dirty and the foreman of the jury was a trump hater and democrat activist. the trial was tainted and it will be appealed.
The entire case was based on the assumption that russia hacked the email. that is now a provable lie. the emails had to be downloaded on site .
company that testified about russian hack now says no proof...
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/newly-released-docs-suggest-crowdstrike-unsure-if-fbi-confirmed-russians
https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Forensic-Data-Proves-DNC-Was-Not-Hacked-by-Russia.html?soid=1108369064136&aid=oqAfwww0jzc
You are a freaking Saint!!! Thank you! This is the one area I have dug into. I, want more than anything, to change my brother's mindset because I still think his mind can be changed. He's smart enough to read the other side and make sense of it.....i think lol
The battle to be won is in support of nationalism or Globalism.. If a person is a globalist at heart they will never stomache GEOTUS, but if a person believes that countries matter along with cultural differences then America First is the only policy for Americans .
The us will never make china in its own image, but china has a real chance to make the world a globalist empire based on the CCP model.
Ask him about Brexit. The same forces of Nationalism and Globalism have turned British politics upside down. Its not a left right paradigm. Its a corportist globalist elite Oligarchy against National self determination.
Find out what he does support , and you might be surprised to find trump is more progressive than Joe Blo.. Trump has a better chance of delivering single payer health care than joe who said he would not sign it if it was on his desk .
https://www.axios.com/trump-universal-health-care-single-payer-united-kingdom-6c19909c-9c55-4bd9-9f67-9542412277a3.html
What is the myemail link? Says not secure. I jjst took a yearly cyber security course for work and it's made me quadruple think anything i click on lol
Forensic Data Proves DNC Was Not Hacked by Russia Greetings!
William Binney, former Technical Director of NSA goes over the proof that the DNC emails published by Guccifer 2.0 were downloaded locally and not hacked remotely, as perpetrated by the Establishment politicians, the US Department of Justice and in an Intelligence Community Assessment Report by selected analysts from NSA, CIA and FBI issued in January 24, 2017.
Binney says the highest transfer rate was 49.1 megabytes per second, which is much faster than possible from a remote online connection. He says some colleagues challenged this assumption and ran various tests, from the Netherlands, Albania, Belgrade and in the UK and he says, "The fastest rate we got was from a data center in New Jersey...to a data center in the UK and that was 12 megabytes per second, which is less than a fourth of the rate necessary to transfer the data, as it was listed from Guccifer 2.0... However, it is the perfect download rate for a thumb drive ." He says their findings don't prove who did it but they do prove that the data breach was local and did not consist of an overseas hack.
The next observation made by Binney seems to mesh with statements recently made by alleged Seth Rich murder witness , "Luke" who claims that US Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein had long been running an operation to monitor and to manipulate the DNC's emails.
Guccifer 2.0 posted data on July 5th and on September 1st, 2016. "If you looked at it and you ignored the hour and the date but looked at minutes seconds and milliseconds, those two datasets merged just like that. So, that meant that Guccifer 2.0 was manipulating the data. He was taking one file down, splitting it into two parts, issuing one for the 5th of July and one for the 1st of September; so he's fabricating...this shows he's manipulating and and changing the data and so, the whole thing about Guccifer 2.0 is a fabrication...it's worse than that, though..."
Binney makes a face and describes how the FBI and the CIA were basing their whole case about Russian hacking on this fabricated data and more embarrassingly for him, since he worked there for decades, NSA officially stated that it had "moderate confidence" that the emails were authentic.
Binney says NSA has access to all Internet traffic and are able to categorically say who hacked what from where. The fact that they never came forward with these details is what initially told him that the US Government's allegations about the DNC emails are false.
Former FBI Director James Comey, former CIA Director John Brennan and other members of the US political establishment are using this fabricated Guccifer 2.0 data as evidence of Russian hacking. Their chicanery is based on digital manipulation that is easy for anybody to understand. Even worse, they and other establishment Democrats keep repeating that "17 US intelligence agencies" have vouched for the authenticity of these Guccifer 2.0 logs, which is a lie.
Meanwhile, WikiLeaks publisher, Julian Assange has offered to give proof from his end that the DNC emails were not hacked by the Russians and Kim Dotcom, New Zealand founder of MegaUpload has offered to provide evidence that Seth Rich was the leaker.
Binney confirms that an FBI report exists, which says that Seth Rich's computer had information going back and forth to WikiLeaks and that NSA would easily be able to substantiate this report.
Running Time: 15 mins
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/forensic-data-proves-dnc-was-not-hacked-by-russia/
I don’t know the details about that right now, but I clicked on link via iPad and copied the main part of the page below:
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Greetings!
William Binney, former Technical Director of NSA goes over the proof that the DNC emails published by Guccifer 2.0 were downloaded locally and not hacked remotely, as perpetrated by the Establishment politicians, the US Department of Justice and in an Intelligence Community Assessment Report by selected analysts from NSA, CIA and FBI issued in January 24, 2017.
Binney says the highest transfer rate was 49.1 megabytes per second, which is much faster than possible from a remote online connection. He says some colleagues challenged this assumption and ran various tests, from the Netherlands, Albania, Belgrade and in the UK and he says, "The fastest rate we got was from a data center in New Jersey...to a data center in the UK and that was 12 megabytes per second, which is less than a fourth of the rate necessary to transfer the data, as it was listed from Guccifer 2.0... However, it is the perfect download rate for a thumb drive ." He says their findings don't prove who did it but they do prove that the data breach was local and did not consist of an overseas hack.
The next observation made by Binney seems to mesh with statements recently made by alleged Seth Rich murder witness , "Luke" who claims that US Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein had long been running an operation to monitor and to manipulate the DNC's emails.
Guccifer 2.0 posted data on July 5th and on September 1st, 2016. "If you looked at it and you ignored the hour and the date but looked at minutes seconds and milliseconds, those two datasets merged just like that. So, that meant that Guccifer 2.0 was manipulating the data. He was taking one file down, splitting it into two parts, issuing one for the 5th of July and one for the 1st of September; so he's fabricating...this shows he's manipulating and and changing the data and so, the whole thing about Guccifer 2.0 is a fabrication...it's worse than that, though..."
Binney makes a face and describes how the FBI and the CIA were basing their whole case about Russian hacking on this fabricated data and more embarrassingly for him, since he worked there for decades, NSA officially stated that it had "moderate confidence" that the emails were authentic.
Binney says NSA has access to all Internet traffic and are able to categorically say who hacked what from where. The fact that they never came forward with these details is what initially told him that the US Government's allegations about the DNC emails are false.
Former FBI Director James Comey, former CIA Director John Brennan and other members of the US political establishment are using this fabricated Guccifer 2.0 data as evidence of Russian hacking. Their chicanery is based on digital manipulation that is easy for anybody to understand. Even worse, they and other establishment Democrats keep repeating that "17 US intelligence agencies" have vouched for the authenticity of these Guccifer 2.0 logs, which is a lie.
Meanwhile, WikiLeaks publisher, Julian Assange has offered to give proof from his end that the DNC emails were not hacked by the Russians and Kim Dotcom, New Zealand founder of MegaUpload has offered to provide evidence that Seth Rich was the leaker.
Binney confirms that an FBI report exists, which says that Seth Rich's computer had information going back and forth to WikiLeaks and that NSA would easily be able to substantiate this report.
Running Time: 15 mins
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/forensic-data-proves-dnc-was-not-hacked-by-russia/
Hurrr durr bill clinton has associated closely with a child molester rapist and human trafficker jeff epstein, its really frustrating to me that this does nkt bother more people.
See how he hurr durr replies to that
if he like jim jordan then make sure he has heard jordans take on ll of these events , ship him some video...
obstruction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EbrfiAxjY0&ab_channel=PBSNewsHour ukraine interfernce for hilliary.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DddWN4425-0&ab_channel=Rep.JimJordan%28OH-04%29
Let it go. If you fuck up your fam it often won’t recover; over time people come around. If he respects you in the least he will have a glimmer of doubt about his own position and that doubt will grow on its own.
HE'S USING A CLASSIC LEFT WING PROPAGANDA TECHNIQUE ON YOU
Every allegation he has made is false but by making so many in quick succession he's preventing you from showing them to be lies.
Ask him to identify the single most terrible most criminal thing Trump has done. Not a list or a pattern or an association, but the single worst act by Trump as President.
He probably can't do it.
If he does identify something, confirm that it's the absolute worst thing. Make sure he's sure.
Then debunk it. Come back here if you need help.
👆👆👆This needs to be in the sidebar or something. Absolutely brilliant.
yea man i HATE that shit. I've learned to force them down into the details of one topic at a time and then they disappear. I'm trying to figure out where to even start here.
As I said, ask him to identify the single most terrible most criminal thing Trump has done. Not a list or a pattern or an association, but the single worst act by Trump as President.
I did it with a friend of mine and he responded that Trump was insufficiently tough on China (seriously). That was weeks ago and I still haven't stopped laughing at him.
So i asked him and this was his reply:
"He's beholden to our biggest adversary. I have a big problem with that."
"And 2nd place would be his mishandling of this coronavirus."
Not sure how to even reply. Is Russia getting any favors that I'm not aware of? Any help is appreciated
Define beholden (you should ask for proof, but a solid definition will disprove the allegation all by itself).
China is our biggest adversary (and it's the Bidens who are owned by China).
Trump's handling of the coronavirus has been perfect. He can't name one good thing that Trump hasn't done that a different politician would have done.
I got a good reply from him. I was going to ask "how are they meddling to help Trump?" Anything else i should add?
"I have no allegiance to the Bidens but they're not owned by China. Trump has not said one cross word about Russia. He meets Putin in secret with no notes. He's doing nothing while Russia has bounties on our troops. He possibly colluded with Russia. Maybe he didn't, but if he did Russia knows about it and they'll have receipts. He's laundered their money for years. This isn't me making stuff up, it's fact. As for the coronavirus, his administration essentially ignored that pandemic for two or three months and downplayed it. If we'd had strong leadership from the beginning we'd have long been past this. We'd be putting out fires. He was on his golf course and going to rallies all the way up to March 8. He stopped travel from China, but then acted like that alone was going to get rid of it. We're knocking on the door of 200,000 dead. Not sure how any rational person can call that a success when you see what they did in South Korea, Japan, Italy, Spain. Other countries are horse laughing us right now.
And you know who said we'd fist fuck Russia in the ass if they didn't stop fucking with our soldiers? Joe Biden. Again, he's by no means my first choice but he'll bring back decency to the office and improve our standing in the world
He's doing zero to keep the Russians from meddling in our elections again. That's what makes America great is our elections and he's doing everything he can to undermine them. It's scary. And he has people cheering him on, which is even scarier."
Hunter Biden got $1.5 billion from China. source. What did Russia ever give Trump?
The bounties on our troops story is fake news. The money laundering is totally made up. Saying something is a fact doesn't make it so.
Joe Biden wants to start a war (with anyone, really), just like Hillary. Yes, the same Hillary who agreed to a reset in relations with Russia.
Russia didn't meddle (whatever that means). The only evidence of any Russian action is $100,000 is Facebook ads (that were just divisive and didn't help either candidate). That's nothing. Totally meaningless.
Wow! Do you have all this shit on standby? I'm definitely going to get organized and save all of this. I just sent him all that info. Let's see what he comes back with now.
Want me to keep posting the replies? Definitely don't want to overstay my welcome! If you're in Dallas area, drinks on me
I'm about as far from Dallas as you can get in this country (unfortunately).
But I'm done here. As I wrote, he's just trying to gaslight you.
Haha..Fairbanks, AK?
No, he actually believes it even with my responses saying something about a 1000 page report about russia meddling being fact. Ugh. Appreciate the help. I'll take it from here. This has been a GREAT START.
BY THE WAY, HE'S DOING THE LEFT WING PROPAGANDA THING AGAIN.
Being beholden to our biggest adversary isn't a single thing he did. It doesn't even mean anything. And now he's back to making tons of false allegations in quick succession.
TELL HIM HE'S TRYING TO GASLIGHT YOU (WHICH IS TRUE) AND THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LET HIM DO IT ANYMORE.
You're very good my friend. Let's see where this goes now. He'll probably go right back to other allegations.
Assuming he stays on those issues, what's next is to explain how:
President Trump no longer runs Trump enterprises (and hasn't since 2016). Moreover, he prohibited his children from expanding the company overseas, and as a result the family has been selling assets for years. Source
President Trump has expanded sanctions on Russia. In fact, he went otugher on Russia in just 18 months than Obama went in eight years. Source
President Trump has aggressively responded to the coronavirus. Source
the entire russian propaganda thing consisted of $100,000, and much was spent after the campaign. Michael moore even participated in a russia promoted protest against trump https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5413699/Michael-Moore-participated-rally-organized-Russians.html.
Russia helped and hurt all candidates. Tell him to look at the adds that were run https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/01/us/politics/russia-2016-election-facebook. the adds were a joke. the election wasnt changed.
the mueler report facts.. Mueler didnt have enough evidence but didnt want to exonerate trump, He hoped congress would impeach but there was no there there. https://www.cato.org/blog/mueller-report-faqs?gclid=CjwKCAjwkdL6BRAREiwA-kiczC1LVSxNfTSlFMThI5_gNBo_1LLA3FEbhbuHrXDBZBYEkxfCv29PDhoCLYAQAvD_BwE
Manafort did not hand over polling data to the russians. He shared polling data with a ukranian business associate of his that the cia says was believed to have ties to russia, but no evidence he was tied to russia government or that he shared the info with russia. Manafort lied that he gave data to his business partner and was charged with lying, not collusion.
https://apnews.com/608b9fcbca5941348e2ac8796e94c8cd
If 100k in ads could so easily sway an election how did Bloomberg lose?
Looks hopeless - your Bro is a true believer.
Any wrong doing by the Russians in Muellers report was taken from nuness report. Mueller wasn't investigating Russian collusion or else he would have known who fusion gps was. His purpose was to create an obstruction of justice case using what everyone knew was a bullshit case as a foundation. Trump was obstructing injustice.
He is towing the leftist MSM narrative and said "he won't let it go" so what's the point in arguing. He is in a bad place right now seething that trump will win again. Talk to him in a year or two after all economic recovery and BLM fades again
Are you guys white?
If yes it shouldn't even be a question considering that the Democrats want White Genocide.
Yes. Actually , half hispanic. Mom is mexican American. You'd maybe guess i was a half breed. You'd NEVER guess he was. My mom even likes Trump. Go figure
Your brother clearly didn’t read the mueller report. The last section in part one talks about someone from Putin’s inner circle reaching out to hope hicks so Putin can congratulate trump. It takes two days to get confirmation from a professor that the guy that reached out is really associated with Putin. Strange that a campaign that was coordinating with Russia would have to do that.
And you can’t obstruct a non event.
Fuck yes! Thank you! God bless this site!
First of all,
Your Bro sounds like CNN & MSNBC's parrot. Which makes this pretty simple actually. Statement's like Trump's a traitor and fully leveraged by Russian Interests, etc etc... were touted by all the National Television News Anchor's with live interviews of Obama Admin Higher Ups & Higher Ups of Many Gov. Agencies including The FBI & CIA Not only echoing those sentiments but claiming to have ample evidence to support them.
This wen't on for months and months before a national audience. Salacious Russian PeePee Tapes & Dossiers of sexy Russian Trump Parties & Dirty Deals. Spawning investigations costing millions, yada yada yada...
Remember now, we are just trying to convince your bro. This is for him. I wanna acknowledge some stuff. The GOP does totally cover for Trump. As they should, like The DNC totally covers for any Democrat. Trump's no angel, tax evasion is a national pastime and there very well could be some minor malfeasance there. It doesn't concern me. Not being obsessed with perfection, offended by the lack of it. or having the need to live in an illusionary world of it. But, Russia Russia Russia!!! & Mueller... That is another story.
The most important scientific point of absolute, indisputable, undeniable truth of any of this. Is the single fact that before any of this Russian Collusion really got rolling. Before any grim faced anchors calling Trump a Russian Traitor. Before any Obama Era Higher Ups went on National Television, Claiming to have in their possession "ample evidence" of collusion...
Every last one of the Obama Era Higher Ups. Sat before Congress and testified they had 0 evidence of anything at all. Then they proceeded to knowingly lie on National Television day in and day out, for years. Saying they had "ample evidence".
The only reason any of this came to light because Richard Grenell declassified this information after Schiff had been "Threatening" to for years. Wielding even the evidence of he debased lying on National TV as a bludgeon against Trump.
How can you trust any of that? Anything at all, said or claimed on TV during that event. Based on the evidence presented now. And yet, here we are. Way past the fact this was all complete BS and your Bro parrots those fabrications out like it's the Gospel of Christ. Ridiculous, is the norm in The Era of Yellow Journalism.
That's enough for me to cry BS! Idk about your bro, but that's heinous enough for me. And, that's leaving out a lot of the crap the Dems pulled to fabricate that yarn. Hell, Adam Schiff made up a phony call between the president and some bad actor. I can't remember who, but he was trying to get him impeached and all. Then he laughed it off like it was some kind of joke. Shit's crazy bruh!
Never mind, the basis for the Mueller investigation, Steele Dossier was paid for by the DNC. And after having been unable to vet this Dossier and finding it to be completely unsubstantiated. The FBI hid this from the FISA Courts and still got warrants on what they knew to be bunk.
It's just incredible to me how people will pass over tangible, credible, obvious examples of massive and widespread corruption like this. But, latch on to completely un-based nonsense because the people on TV got emotional and told them so. Like a magician shooting foam balls over their heads. Never bothering to create an understanding of a timeline of events and decide what's of value to them. The value is supplied not generated, easier that way.
Good luck with your Bro my dude!!!
Damn dude, i feel like i need to pay money for this explanation! Haha You're exactly right as his repsonse to the FISA warrant was "so what he only changed 4 words on the email."
Something tells me he'll never ever come over to the other side. The brainwash has infiltrated his entire soul
There is no help for family like this. Trust me.
Just start bringing up how bad Bernie got screwed by the DNC. Ask him if he believes in the DNC after how they cheated Bernie out of a victory. Ask him if he trusts them after that. Try to turn him into a non-voter.
mueller was a cover up hit job
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mueller-coverup-11588892114
i could go on and on but it’s pointless arguing with them . they won’t read the articles they’ll just say they’re right wing propaganda
He’s unfortunately gone...TDS.
Just start bringing up how bad Bernie got screwed by the DNC. Ask him if he believes in the DNC after how they cheated Bernie out of a victory. Ask him if he trusts them after that. Try to turn him into a non-voter.
No politician is obligated to release tax returns. Tons of Democrats have been prosecuted for tax fraud. If Trump cheated or was compromised by his taxes, Obama would have prosecuted him. But there was no there there in taxes or Russia.
Now he's saying this:
"No, he was an intelligence officer. Says so in volume 5 of the senate report. Read it,its interesting.............and to be fair, the Obama administration probably dropped the ball on some of this, but I can understand maybe why they did what they did. I'm sure they put thought into the decisions they made, whehter they ended up being the right ones or not."
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf
Ask him if there was so much malphesants and corruption discovered in the Mueller report why hasn't he gone to jail? And why do they keep bringing out new stories and fabricate new reasons to dislike or impeach the president ? Tell him the Mueller report was a farce and that Kevin Cleinsmith pled guilty to falsy editing FBI data to spy on an incoming president , back in the day if someone even had a wire tap in a hotel where political decisions were discussed they were impeached or resigned ( Watergate )
Its of no use. I have a brother that is buried deep in that cult too. Let them go. Eventually we will be able to say" I told you so". Focus on the strength of your own immediate family. They don't belive in logic as liberalism is a mental disorder built on racism, lies, division, welfare, equality, inclusivity, non-acceptance, murder, Marxism, laziness and the support of such. All liberals want is to destroy what others have because they re too lazy to build and or earn their own.
You can't reason with him until he sees the truth and learns for himself. I deal with a guy at work that spews that same crap all night. Then he tries to gaslight everyone by saying all conservatives are nazis, racist, fascists the whole libtarded anthem. Let them believe what they like, just don't let their pessimistic views corrupt anybody that's on the political fence.
Also I already had this same fight with my brother. We agreed to disagree and don't discuss politics anymore. Much better solution than forcing yourself into a position where you need to change his mind
mueller had access to his taxes. if there wasn’t thing, he would have found it and put it in his report.
Good point. I wonder if he'd be able to do that necessarily? Just curious bc he'll go down that rabbit hole with me
Saying he’s compromised with no evidence. Saying he’s a traitor without evidence.
Illogical mindless hate is an emotion— not an argument.
If the Mueller Report found 10 instances of obstruction, why were they not pursued? It’s well documented at this point that Comey fabricated the call for a special counsel. Further it’s well documented that the Mueller probe was trash and relied on fabricated evidence to spy on a sitting president (see klinesmith).
The degree of “help” is laughable and described in detail by Mueller. Contrast that with what we’ve learned about the Democrats and Ukraine. Watch the various countries who are openly advocating for Biden this cycle.
His campaign manager gave polling data to Russians?! Oh my dear god! That’s definitely worse than the democrats using the Intelligence community to spy on political opposition.
I’m going to guess he listens to a lot of NPR. They take fragments without context to suggest guilt by implication.
He has shifted the burden of disproving his trash views to you. I call this the logical fallacy of bullshit. Don’t do his work for him. Make him prove it.
You do not reach someone like this by logic and reason. They are told that people who disagree with them are dumb. Thinks he’s better than you.
You must mock and insult him for holding these beliefs. Mock his sources. That may encourage him to do more research to defend his points and he May unintentionally redpill himself.
EXCELLENT EXCELLENT advice. Thank you