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Kansityshuffle88 11 points ago +11 / -0

It's not that I doubt we've contributed

It's that I KNOW politicians don't give a fuck

When corporations are allowed to use cargo ships that output more waste than my entire generational lineage that has ever been and will ever come to be, why should I care?

When China is allowed to turn the air yellow with smog, but muh per capita says it's ok, why should I care?

When rioters and muh global warming protesters litter the streets with trash and set fire to the world, why should I care?

When oil companies are pumping oil into the water because it's cheaper to pay the fine than it is to fix it, why should I care?

This is what happens when you give corporations human rights. Humans take the blame for what corporations do.

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koyima 8 points ago +8 / -0

If co2 was a problem why would we allow carbonated drinks? If co2 was a problem why would you be allowed to buy a co2 generator to put in your greenhouse? You wouldn't, there would already be more than enough co2 in the air

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residue69 4 points ago +4 / -0

We drill wells to harvest co2 that is safely trapped in the earth for carbonated beverages. Mention that in any speddit global warming or Greta thread and you'll be downvoted instantly.

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koyima 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yep, planet is green, you remember correctly.

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Kansityshuffle88 2 points ago +2 / -0

They claim humanity is at risk yet they let nestle pump Michigan's underground water reserves dry and make you think flint is only a single case

Everyone's water is fucked

They cry about my hobby farm releasing too much methane and then cruise the coast in a yacht and bounce around town in a helicopter.

Same feudalism since the 1200s.

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koyima 6 points ago +6 / -0

Look up tony heller on youtube, he goes over the data, most of it is bunk data they have altered past readings and also adjust current readings, substituting actual data with simulated data almost 50% of the time. The US climate record is being manipulated and there is direct evidence of both by how much and when it started and there are also the climate gate emails

You can also check michael mann s code and see it is just shit

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Reserati 4 points ago +4 / -0

Hellers "One Dimensional Thinking episode" is a great example of the manipulation of the data.

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maddog_dad 2 points ago +2 / -0

One of Tony Heller's latest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqsvYAW1idg

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irspow 5 points ago +5 / -0

How about the geological record which shows we are warming as the earth always has in its cycles between ice ages and (the more normal and stable) tropical earth periods? Or how co2 levels have been dropping for over 600 million years (and we are near record low levels of co2 now) all the while the ice age/tropical earth cycle has continued during this co2 decline? The mathematical models of pseudo science ‘climatologists’ do not match the reality of half a billion years of data.

https://medium.com/@ghornerhb/heres-a-better-graph-of-co2-and-temperature-for-the-last-600-million-years-f83169a68046

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Skogin 4 points ago +4 / -0

Direct solar variability must be understood. Without this, the conversation is meaningless.

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CALunaticAsylum 2 points ago +2 / -0

Massive Methane release is the thing that scares me.

CO2 is plant food makes plants bushy. Ask any indoor grower.

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irspow 2 points ago +2 / -0

Well testosterone levels in men has dropped in half since the 1950s. One theory suggests that the massive increase of using estrogen to fatten livestock along with estrogen levels in pesticides has feminized the male population. The problem is if we eliminated the use of estrogen, the industrial level of food production would collapse and lead to billions left to starve. Right now we are slowly mutating with no alternative to maintain the current level of food production.

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residue69 1 point ago +1 / -0

Don't forget they spray BPA on thermal receipt paper.

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koyima 1 point ago +1 / -0

Methane is not a problem , water vapor is vastly more abundant and it interacts with the same spectrum, there is overlap there at renders it meaningless and same spectrum barely does anything

Water vapor is by far the most plentiful and the chemical that interacts with most of the light spectrum , if you want to do something regarding warming of the atmosphere and you ignore water you can't do much, but water is water , it is even more harmless than co2, so they attack co2

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CALunaticAsylum 2 points ago +2 / -0

Copy that. I do think an enormous methane burp was associated with Permian mass extinction. But correlation does not equal causation.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 0 points ago +1 / -1

My opinion of climate change:

  • The climate is changing. It's been changing for eons, since long before homo sapiens evolved, and ever since.

  • We have been exiting an ice age for about the past 12,000 years. So, temperatures have risen and water levels have risen. They will keep doing so until the climate cycle inevitably reverses.

  • On a geological timescale, it has been much warmer than it is today (~10 C).

  • On a geological timescale, CO2 levels have been an order of magnitude higher.

http://www.biocab.org/Geological_Timescale.jpg

We have only learned to measure temperature accurately in the past few decades, after setting up a US network of regularly calibrated stations explicitly designed to avoid siting problems. We've also launched a satellite to sample temperature worldwide. And coincidentally, the purported steady increase in temperature has leveled out (although that may be due to the bottom of the sunspot cycle).

If humans are affecting climate, it can't be more than a small effect, when you look at how widely the climate and the atmosphere has varied before the rise of civilization. And it's complete folly to think that mankind has the ability to stop climate change that is inevitable. The earth and the sun have done their own thing since their creation, and they will keep doing so long after mankind is extinct.

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koyima 1 point ago +1 / -0

The climate varies more between night and day and the different seasons and the difference between night and day has been reduced The climate is becoming more stable and it has ways to go before it goes the other way

We are lucky to be around during this time and we have the time to develop technology for when things turn south... But these crazies are chasing trace elements and ignoring the sun and water vaporw