Blacks were actually considered property back then that could be passed down in the family. Like a car.
They were kept in pretty good shape for the most part.. Indentured servants basically were a lease for 7 years and on that time they could pretty much do what they wanted to them, rape, beat etc.. They might even be killed before their time was up.
Edit: a really good, quick read that dives into slavery a bit is The Redneck Manifesto by Jim Goad. Jim's a... Interesting fella :)
The irish were forced to breed with Blacks in order to create the more expensive black slave.
But "indentured servant" is supposed to somehow be better. You lease property, not people. What is the difference between leasing a car and buying one? Because the leased car you only "own" temporarily?
Neither the Irish or Blacks were considered people. Short term slavery was still slavery.
America once threw tea into a harbor because of a, i think 1% tax.
A people should not be afraid of their government. . .and they ARE afraid of us. That's why their little paramilitary antifa goons are sent out while they tell cops to stand down.
The Mayors and Gov's are not gods or Royalty. They know fear is a type of control. Many are too comfortable to fight it. As if Antifa will leave them alone if they have BLM signs up.
They declared war in 2016, the media not advertising it as one doesn't mean it's a myth too.
Remind me, do we have freedom or do we have to worry about masks and political correctness in damn near every part of life these days?
We have power, we just don't use it. We continually let them have control. I do admit we're seeing more and more standing up to it and I'm hoping it's not too little too late but... I can't go 1 fucking shift at work without getting some sort of e-mail or a notification on our sharepoint about diversity and shit.
We are letting them have control because we believe the leader of the federal government is going to save us on the local level.
I'm in wildly Leftist Boulder, CO. There are only about 15% of the people wearing masks outdoors here despite the state mandate. I'm also seeing American flags and even a 76 flat popping up on the occasional house. Liberals seem to be splitting over Leftism.
One of my ancestors was an Irish slave. He was a prisoner of war in an English prison. When the prisons became full, the English sold them Irish to American plantations. I have had too many arguments with people who insist that he was still an indentured servant. What part of that story sounds like an indentured servant?
You are correct. They were slaves and couldn't work off a contract. They were cheaper to purchase than Black slaves and were treated worse. The issue is slavery and both races suffered it.
I know that I am. My ancestor was convicted of horse theft (Scotland) and sent to the New World. It was that or death. They made him choose. A$$holes. Much, much later my grandfather was owned by a NE Texas lumber company because poor people and minors aren't people. He was a runaway slave at about 13 yrs old.
Who cares if your ancestors had it worse 400 years ago. This has nothing to do with today. My ancient ancestors could have been literal clowns that raped donkeys for all I know what does that matter to me. I doubt I would agree with half of the things people were doing in the 1600s.
I don’t understand why the Irish were hated or treated so badly in Europe? Was it a matter of cultural differences? I don’t know much about Irish history in Europe.
The BS excuse us that "They were indentured servants" Then Blacks were too.
Just like "Human trafficking" isn't modern slavery
A word change is suppose to make it all better?
Google "irish slavery" if you want to be completely disgusted
Blacks were actually considered property back then that could be passed down in the family. Like a car. They were kept in pretty good shape for the most part.. Indentured servants basically were a lease for 7 years and on that time they could pretty much do what they wanted to them, rape, beat etc.. They might even be killed before their time was up.
Edit: a really good, quick read that dives into slavery a bit is The Redneck Manifesto by Jim Goad. Jim's a... Interesting fella :)
The irish were forced to breed with Blacks in order to create the more expensive black slave.
But "indentured servant" is supposed to somehow be better. You lease property, not people. What is the difference between leasing a car and buying one? Because the leased car you only "own" temporarily?
Neither the Irish or Blacks were considered people. Short term slavery was still slavery.
Until a black man called Anthony Johnson went to the courts to have an indentured servant turned into a slave under court ruling
So you are saying Blacks and Irish weren't slaves until Anthony Johnson?
I remember learning in AP History that a lot of indentured servants didn't live long enough to gain their freedom, the risk was worth it for them.
That's the Democrat's modus operandi... making horrible words more palatable.
Indentured servants were more like a lease... slavery for a set time.
Slaves were just property.
So it only counted if slavery wasn't Temporary?
So if a master freed a slave, they weren't a slave in the first place?
nothing matters anymore unless you're black.
Even then, it's mostly white kids making a fuss about that.
The rest of us just let them have control pretending the president can fix everything.
As if we don't have power?
America once threw tea into a harbor because of a, i think 1% tax.
A people should not be afraid of their government. . .and they ARE afraid of us. That's why their little paramilitary antifa goons are sent out while they tell cops to stand down.
The Mayors and Gov's are not gods or Royalty. They know fear is a type of control. Many are too comfortable to fight it. As if Antifa will leave them alone if they have BLM signs up.
They declared war in 2016, the media not advertising it as one doesn't mean it's a myth too.
Remind me, do we have freedom or do we have to worry about masks and political correctness in damn near every part of life these days?
We have power, we just don't use it. We continually let them have control. I do admit we're seeing more and more standing up to it and I'm hoping it's not too little too late but... I can't go 1 fucking shift at work without getting some sort of e-mail or a notification on our sharepoint about diversity and shit.
We are letting them have control because we believe the leader of the federal government is going to save us on the local level.
I'm in wildly Leftist Boulder, CO. There are only about 15% of the people wearing masks outdoors here despite the state mandate. I'm also seeing American flags and even a 76 flat popping up on the occasional house. Liberals seem to be splitting over Leftism.
One of my ancestors was an Irish slave. He was a prisoner of war in an English prison. When the prisons became full, the English sold them Irish to American plantations. I have had too many arguments with people who insist that he was still an indentured servant. What part of that story sounds like an indentured servant?
You are correct. They were slaves and couldn't work off a contract. They were cheaper to purchase than Black slaves and were treated worse. The issue is slavery and both races suffered it.
Just a reminder that 650,000+ died to settle the issue of slavery in the US. The bill is paid.
Yes, yes it is, but by the wrong people
Used to be a joke about how many kids the irish had... now many folk are decedent from them.
I'm, unfortunately, a fascist nazi decedent of my great grand-parents who were jews and fled germany just before WW2.
I think you meant descendant.
Decedent means something different: someone who is no longer living.
Well, it kind of works? lol
Mine fled Fascist italy because being Romani was dangerous.
My Great Grandfather came as a Dutch Indentured Man in the early 20th Century. He was lucky to have a good man at the head of his contract.
I know that I am. My ancestor was convicted of horse theft (Scotland) and sent to the New World. It was that or death. They made him choose. A$$holes. Much, much later my grandfather was owned by a NE Texas lumber company because poor people and minors aren't people. He was a runaway slave at about 13 yrs old.
Do I get free stuff now?
Who cares if your ancestors had it worse 400 years ago. This has nothing to do with today. My ancient ancestors could have been literal clowns that raped donkeys for all I know what does that matter to me. I doubt I would agree with half of the things people were doing in the 1600s.
I came from Germans who were indentured slaves to the United States. When will these people stop being victims?
Same here. 1836. Worked off the indenture and prospered greatly after that.
White privilege man
Give me my reparations. Nawwww...fuck that...give me some Guiness.
Jokes on you, they went woke too.
I don’t understand why the Irish were hated or treated so badly in Europe? Was it a matter of cultural differences? I don’t know much about Irish history in Europe.
Yup. Just like Quebeckers and other French-Canadians unker British rule.