Before the bankruptcy, something like a THIRD of ConEd’s budget went state mandated “ initiatives” that did little to generate energy, but did put lots of money in connected Democrats pockets.
JUNGLE PRIMARY IN THEIR ELECTIONS ENABLING THE PERPETUATION OF THE ONE-PARTY DEMOCRAT MACHINE TO ALWAYS HAVE TWO “CANDIDATES”....COMMUNIST CHINA HAS MORE “FREE CHOICE” THAN COMMIEFORNIA AT THIS POINT!!! 🙄🙄🙄🙄
They spent years subsidizing solar panels on people's houses, then the eco nuts passed legislation stating that when the solar panels generate enough electricity, the state has to turn off a powerplant in that region to "stop pollution". That night when the frigging sun goes down, if demand is high you don't have enough juice. Literally all the feds have to do is stop turning off the power plants during the day.
I've found so-called "green" initiatives make things worse, because of all the red-tape, and because maintenance is made that much harder, whereas before, regulation tended to be common-sense.
(Random question: If you live close by to a hospital in CA, and they have rolling blackouts, would you lose power also? I seem to recall somewhere you wouldn't, because you were very close to a hospital).
You know, back in '06, we had our own powercuts for a day. (Note: Where I live, our largest city is 1.3 million people). Was traced to a single corroded D-shackle shorting out two 220kV feeder lines, knocked out power to almost the entire city. That was fun, that was. Still had to go to classes though. We survived.
I've lived in CA for 3 decades. They always say this stuff but the majority of customers don't experience any outages. And if they are unlucky enough it usually doesn't last very long. The longest our power ever went out was because of local wind storms and stuff that knocked down old dying trees. Those always happened in the winter thank God.
I lived in a Chicago neighborhood for over 10 years and every single
Summer, multiple times per summer, the power would go out for at least a day.
They were taking old 3-flats and rehabbing them into mini mansions. Once you fill that thing with top end appliances, giant TVs, and a/c, it draws much more power than 3 Little apartments. You get a dozen of those mini mansions built on a 100 year old power grid and it blows transformers left and right.
It was really annoying bc it’d always happen during a heatwave. That city is such a fuckin shithole.
I've got to the point where I bought an UPS (a good one specifically designed for this purpose) to put inline for my computer equipment since under voltage can degrade them as well.
Got real tired of power fluctuations frying my stuff.
Fukushima really fucked it up . I think the fact that it was so mismanaged is the problem. You look at all of these incidents and you see needless fuckery. Same with the gulf oil spill, caused because they wanted to save a few dollars by not properly testing their fail safe equipment.
Here's the thing, though. All those accidents are because of "needless fuckery", as you put it. Now look at how California is managed. Now extrapolate that into how they'd manage a nuclear plant. Let's just say, I'm amazed the ones they have haven't exploded, yet (and I know they can't explode. That's how much I think they'd fuck it up)
See, the thing is they've got the whole common-sense thing all flip-flopped. Things that should be common-sense are treated like rocket science, and the shit they claim to be common-sense laws are fucking stupid.
It’s like that hilarious Reddit post celebrating the black kid for building his own pc. Like it was some monumental achievement.
Never mind we’ve all been quietly doing this for 30 years. My first build was in 1994. I was in jr high and YouTube didn’t exist to show you exactly what to do.
But I’m white so it’s not a big deal. It just took some reading and learning.
‘82 here. Bought a bare bones IBM-PC and added aftermarket floppy drives and RAM, lots cheaper than buying from IBM. The old Byte magazine was the reading.
Built several machines over the years, most notably the Celeron 300A overclocked to 450 MHz. Purpose - run DOOM! very well! IIRC that was a sub-$100 budget proc that gave you the performance of a several hundred dollar Pentium when overclocked.
You’re probably right. We were still playing Doom! because not everyone had a new enough machine to do Quake. We were doing Saturday LAN parties about once a month in the training room. We’d all bring in our home gaming machines, put the tables in a circle with a hub in the center, and go to town for a few hours. Have Dominos deliver a bunch of pizza, talk shit as we shot each other up. It was great!
Hospital backup power isn't (or shouldn't be) connected to the general power grid. Their keeping things going won't help anyone nearby (and from the hospitals I've seen here and there, "nearby" isn't usually very near anyway).
As for regulations screwing things up, not just "green" initiatives. There are so many regs out there that make it almost literally impossible to upgrade old infrastructure and make it more efficient (often resulting in less pollution and waste), as regs disallow piecemeal upgrades as resources allow. You either have to spend massive amounts of cash to go all-in at one time (complete with plant downtime, since the workers generally can't do their jobs when the place is torn up for construction), or leave things as they are.
I was literally just thinking about this last night. How 'green' initiatives sound good on paper but then just get horribly mangled in execution due to incompetence, lies and greed.
I have 2 sisters there. One by choice and one by marriage to military who got moved to SD. The military one is in the process of moving back, but is dealing with that exact situation. There's a pool at the apartment but there's some "really fat old people" that go and yell at anyone that tries to go to the pool. I told her to call the police on them if they bothered her. I doubt she'll push it though.
I can attest. I’m sitting in Culver City right now going on 24 hours with no power. We’re not dealing with a rolling black out but dealing with crappy infrastructure. LADWP came out and fixed it yesterday just to have it go out again less than 30 minutes later and now it’s close to 24 hours later and no power trucks to be seen. God I fucking hate this shithole.
No medication but I’ve got a freezer full of meat that’s now going to have to be cooked up this week if they don’t get it going soon. Going on 36 hours now
They refuse to build nuclear power and desalination plants. Pretending that solar/wind will eventually make up their base-load and purify seawater during bad droughts.
These fuckers are shutting down nuclear power plants so they can spend crazy amounts of money on less-efficient methods to produce energy that will hurt the environment way more than the nuclear power plants have.
Fucking hate Democrats and their stupid, corrupt ideas. They've ruined so many states already.
They are like locusts and a cancer. They move and spread to other areas of the country that hasn't been infected by them and destroy that area as well.
My favorite is the wind turbine graveyards. Check it out if you haven't seen them. They can't be recycled so they just bury them in enormous landfills. Green energy my ass.
Yup, I know of a landfill in Abilene. The sales guy underbid the job and the landfill got flooded with them. They were coming in so fast they couldn't process them, so they began stacking them.
By process I mean chop them up with a 60 ton 836 compactor. Landfills sell airspace, so you need to remove the airspace from trash. Ideally you want higher densities per cubic yard which extend the life of the landfill.
With the turbines it takes a lot of processing (fuel, engine and man hours) to break the turbines down. It wasn't profitable for job.
They could reopen San Onofre. It costs way cheaper than demolishing it. All that really needs to be replaced are the turbines, and then you get a shit ton of cheap clean nuclear energy.
But "cheap clean nuclear energy" isn't what they want, because that allows the proles to better afford making their own decisions.
In spite of the name, Progressives want to go back to feudal conditions, imagining themselves as the nobles commanding the faceless masses (never mind the historical reality that many nobles were just as much shoveling shit as the serfs, only they bought a title from the local head honcho to make themselves seem special).
The old school nuclear plants - the last generation that came online in the 70's and 80's... those were the last. Their operating licenses got extended but now we're into the twilight years for them. 2020, 2030 - they will start dropping like files now. 2020 was SO FAR into the future...now it's not.
And has their been a NEW nuclear reactor online in the USA since 1990? Since 2000? I really don't think so. Regulators and NIMBY have made it impossible. No political will or leadership.
You'll also have operators want to close them because they are expensive to operate and gas and coal is cheap. Well... that might all change in the future.
Even if you turned Africa in a solar power plant it still wouldn't be enough.
The thing is the Democrats just don't a fuck if some common person can turn on a light to see. As long as they can tweet out that they saved a tree. That's all that matters.
They never do. It's the riff-raff. The serfs. The Breeders who need to change their lifestyle to be a step above communist peasants. Never the Enlightened such as themselves. They're different.
Yeah I’ve noticed how it’s always the leftist former high school classmates that hated science (and math) and went to study political science/art... that now post all that “listen to the science/expert” horse shit. Same with the Greta Climate Show and the Covid Tyranny. But my opinion about the bad IPCC models that horribly fail observable evidence doesn’t count according to them because I’m not “A Climate Scientist” ....
We’re getting letters in the mail, saying make sure your electric vehicle is charged before 3 pm lol. Imagine the soy boys who are “saving the planet” (with their cobalt batteries mined by African children) and the power goes out. Got no A/C and u can’t drive anywhere, it’s 110 degrees over here lol
Can't cut the endangered trees growing over the powerlines. Can't generate coal power, oil power or nuclear power. Welcome to the renewable only future.
I don't know if you've ever seen this, but maybe it's interesting. You can see demand and supply graphs and charts for CA power usage. This weekend socal was in the 100's. Btw CAISO is "Ca independent system operators".
Don’t they intentionally put the power out now during forest fires because the state and more so the people blamed the electric company for causing fires from lines on the ground. So they said okaayyyyyyyyyyy we will take ourselves out of the equation and turn your power off. Now we cannot make your alleged fires. Then the people had the surprised pikachu face saying wtf we need power for stuff!!! And the power company said nahh.
That was last fire season. This time it is high heat, smoke, and low wind which cranks up the AC, blocks the solar panels, and doesn't turn the wind turbines. They turn off the power lines when the wind is hgh.
That was spite and a manipulative play: PGE really legit deliberately refused to schedule or fund line crew intrastructure work for DECADES, created shell corp divisions to move BILLIONS in profits annually into and poof it off the books, corrupted the CPUC to crony favoritism vs protecting taxpayers, caused a number of severe and massively destructive fires from poorly maintained lines and transfer points, then said they were too broke to even trim trees let alone more so not their fault- and cut off power vindictively when they got told it WAS their responsibility.
A monopoly in fact if not on paper makes for a very bad utility model.
Nimby neighborhoods that don’t want heavy equipment trucks so they need to use expensive helicopters. That and dragging maintenance work through local approval processes and the courts.
Wholesale rates for electricity generally bounce between 2 and 4 cents per kwh, that is what the generators get paid to make it here in Ca. How's that compare to the retail rates you pay?
Read about the corrupt power dealing that was Enron ... California was the money state for a LOT of scumbags. I seriously doubt anything has changed, except maybe the names of the crooks.
Govenor turned off our power so he and his besties can have a slumber party and eat ice cream out of the freezer without closing the door. Plus he is running the AC all day.
That line was crossed a long time ago according to any reasonable person. Look at Nancy Pelosi's district and tell me you wouldn't rathrt be in a text book definition "third world" country instead. It's a complete shithole.
I've been to third world countries that are actually nicer. To be in. The poorest people usually try to just come up and sell you little trinkets. They don't scream at you incoherently and inject drugs and defecate in plain sight.
Funny enough - my power in AZ is being cut for 2 hours when they switch over to a new powerline in my area. I don't mind because it's being done during the coolest hours of the day (resetting all the clocks is the only annoyance) after our temperatures are scheduled to drop-off (mid-month).
But the real reason I don't mind is that it should save me 300 dollars from installing a surge protection unit on the central AC unit - which has seen it's fuseblock blow 2x in the last 10 years (once last month - guy replaced it in 25 minutes with zero wait since he was less than a mile from me). I thought I'd wait for a 3rd failure before springing for the optional unit - and I'm glad I did (because the line update should take care of that for more than a decade).
It's fire season in CA which has been one reason for new power management rules, and I suspect more AZ people are using our nukes to higher capacity where we sell spare capacity to southern CA. We've had over 55 days of higher than 110ºF temperatures this summer - but it's coming down now (starting Wednesday).
Most of us here literally have no idea what reality is as no info outside the neolib narrative makes it into the darkblue bubbles.
I only realized with the 2016 elections- after 56 years in the matrix as it were. And I am exceedingly rare here to be a liberal and at the time Dem voter and have woken up. 😕
The cognitive dissonance rejection reaction to even small misaligning info and constant reinforcement of the narratives makes it almost impossible to break the propaganda lock.
Damn, as a millennial male, this is spot on. Even my brother is like that. He simply does not want to grow up and live in the real world. He would prefer to stay in his fantasy and resent anyone who deviates from it.
The culture of the west coast is absolute cancer. I have traveled and or lived in all the major urbanized regions there and it's truly bizarre how infantile people there are on average. At this point I have trouble relating to the very few friends I have left who are from there.
I'm from northern California, currently traveling in the real America (mid America) and looking to move. I've always been essentially far right my whole life I have to say that being from that hell hole has made me probably more extreme in my beliefs than people in most red states. There are some of us out there and there are red areas there in the mountains and rural areas. The sad truth though is that most people there are hopelessly brainwashed. Even my family who are conservatives seem very foreign to me at this point in terms of their views vs mine (I'm essentially a far right nationalist). I hope that all the craziness going on there can get more people to think the way I do and the state can be taken back but the reality is that a few million people absolutely will have to be deported for the state to ever have a chance at becoming a true American state again.
I from Ohio , We have a corruption case going about our nuclear power "First Energy" gave this Republican Rhino a bunch of money to pay everyone off and mostly DemoCrips. Another Republican turned him in...
Nevada has been turned either blue or purple, hard to tell exactly which right now, by the people leaving California. It still has relatively good gun laws (it's no Arizona though) but it's a ship that's quickly taking on water
It's not even Orange Man Bad. It's Human Bad. They're pushing the Global Warming hoax by letting their electricity infrastructure crumble so it seems like the end of the world.
Nevadan here. We’re not having blackouts, but with the recent heatwave, we’ve been getting a lot of messages along the lines of “please conserve power from 4 - 9 PM so we don’t have to resort to blackouts”. So we’re not necessarily the best comparison.
Remember Enron? They were orchestrating power shortages to increase their profits in CA. California has a long history of manipulating it's own power grid to further their goals. I think they want to generate more discontent with the current grid so people vote in more money for green energy or whatever. It could also be for money who really knows?
Tfw leftists blame PG&E for all the energy problems and claim that eliminating the privitization of energy would solve all our issues, despite the fact that government regulation has made it all but impossible to compete with PG&E, thus creating the issue they whine against
😁 California war on light pollution. We as humans have changed the intensity of the Universe with all our lights. California is taking the lead again, showing the world how it is done.
California power usage peaks at around 50,000 megawatts.
In 2013 they shut down and decommissioned San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station. It produced about 2,200 megawatts.
They plan to shut down and decommission Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant by 2024. It also produces about 2,200 megawatts.
The four gas-powered facilities are scheduled to shut down by Dec. 31, 2020 under a regulation requiring coastal power plants to stop using ocean water for cooling. (This will probably be delayed.)
34% of California's energy comes from natural gas-fired power plants, which California is actively trying to eliminate.
Environmental regulation. The big reason is the San Onofre plant got closed, but the real problem was that no one ever bothered to replace those lost GW. Yes, it's as simple as basis addition and subtraction that was never part of the management of the power grid. There is not enough power to supply the state if everyone is on the grid at the same time. It's no different than frying a breaker in a room because you're using too much power, all you need is a few new sockets under a different power source. They do not want to build new power plants because the green boys keep telling them prince Al Gore said not to.
Meanwhile in Ohio when he hit ~105° in 2012 for a week straight the worst that happened was “You might lose power for an hour or two because y’all keep trying to keep your houses at 68° when it’s nearly 40° hotter outside.”
Its basically what happens when you put ecoterrorists in charge of your critical infrastructure.
Good thing Trump is sending in the Feds to stabilize the power grid.
https://twitter.com/EnergyPress/status/1302744670225694725
“What the fuck? I hate electricity now!” -a Democrat
"How Trump is ignoring climate change and destroying the planet by saving California from rolling blackouts" ~CNN probably
No, not probably.
"Electricity was invented by a black man." --Joe Biden
Nancy... sneak in a quicky blow out.
The only hope for California is an Amish dictatorship.The degeneracy in California is unhealthy.
Yeah right. More like Moria Orcs.
If the EBT system goes out, the remaining Whites in CA will get redpilled pretty quickly.
It's cultural appropriation if you ask me. Ill give up hip hop if you give up electricity. Deal?
Before the bankruptcy, something like a THIRD of ConEd’s budget went state mandated “ initiatives” that did little to generate energy, but did put lots of money in connected Democrats pockets.
Isn't that the Miriam webster dictionary definition of California?
JUNGLE PRIMARY IN THEIR ELECTIONS ENABLING THE PERPETUATION OF THE ONE-PARTY DEMOCRAT MACHINE TO ALWAYS HAVE TWO “CANDIDATES”....COMMUNIST CHINA HAS MORE “FREE CHOICE” THAN COMMIEFORNIA AT THIS POINT!!! 🙄🙄🙄🙄
That and allowing half of mexico to vote in our elections
And hiring H1B indians to maintain your power grid.
Jungle primaries are fundamentally corrupt.
They spent years subsidizing solar panels on people's houses, then the eco nuts passed legislation stating that when the solar panels generate enough electricity, the state has to turn off a powerplant in that region to "stop pollution". That night when the frigging sun goes down, if demand is high you don't have enough juice. Literally all the feds have to do is stop turning off the power plants during the day.
Females.
2003, is that you?
I've found so-called "green" initiatives make things worse, because of all the red-tape, and because maintenance is made that much harder, whereas before, regulation tended to be common-sense.
(Random question: If you live close by to a hospital in CA, and they have rolling blackouts, would you lose power also? I seem to recall somewhere you wouldn't, because you were very close to a hospital).
Makes sense, thanks.
You know, back in '06, we had our own powercuts for a day. (Note: Where I live, our largest city is 1.3 million people). Was traced to a single corroded D-shackle shorting out two 220kV feeder lines, knocked out power to almost the entire city. That was fun, that was. Still had to go to classes though. We survived.
Yeah, I was hoping for a dejavu with the david blaine balloon stunt. Was disappointed.
I've lived in CA for 3 decades. They always say this stuff but the majority of customers don't experience any outages. And if they are unlucky enough it usually doesn't last very long. The longest our power ever went out was because of local wind storms and stuff that knocked down old dying trees. Those always happened in the winter thank God.
THAS RAYCISS. REEE!
What of whiteout?
Listen fat. That's the stuff that shoots out of Mike Obama's... you know, THE THING!
You leave talcum x alone.
W.E.B. DeFraud
That is, by far, the funniest one yet
Right next door to the law firm of Dewey, Cheatem, and Howe?
So they stole cars instead of bikes?
I lived in a Chicago neighborhood for over 10 years and every single Summer, multiple times per summer, the power would go out for at least a day.
They were taking old 3-flats and rehabbing them into mini mansions. Once you fill that thing with top end appliances, giant TVs, and a/c, it draws much more power than 3 Little apartments. You get a dozen of those mini mansions built on a 100 year old power grid and it blows transformers left and right.
It was really annoying bc it’d always happen during a heatwave. That city is such a fuckin shithole.
Always plug into a surge protector no matter where you live.
I've got to the point where I bought an UPS (a good one specifically designed for this purpose) to put inline for my computer equipment since under voltage can degrade them as well.
Got real tired of power fluctuations frying my stuff.
Trust me, if those environmentalists were green, they would support Nuclear energy. They don't.
Exactly, but everyone seems to think it is still 1986 when it comes to nuclear technology, it's a lot safer now.
Always has been safe. Even with the nuclear accidents, it still has one of the lowest death rates of all energy.
Fukushima really fucked it up . I think the fact that it was so mismanaged is the problem. You look at all of these incidents and you see needless fuckery. Same with the gulf oil spill, caused because they wanted to save a few dollars by not properly testing their fail safe equipment.
Here's the thing, though. All those accidents are because of "needless fuckery", as you put it. Now look at how California is managed. Now extrapolate that into how they'd manage a nuclear plant. Let's just say, I'm amazed the ones they have haven't exploded, yet (and I know they can't explode. That's how much I think they'd fuck it up)
Absolutely. Dense fuel and readily available.
See, the thing is they've got the whole common-sense thing all flip-flopped. Things that should be common-sense are treated like rocket science, and the shit they claim to be common-sense laws are fucking stupid.
It’s like that hilarious Reddit post celebrating the black kid for building his own pc. Like it was some monumental achievement.
Never mind we’ve all been quietly doing this for 30 years. My first build was in 1994. I was in jr high and YouTube didn’t exist to show you exactly what to do.
But I’m white so it’s not a big deal. It just took some reading and learning.
‘82 here. Bought a bare bones IBM-PC and added aftermarket floppy drives and RAM, lots cheaper than buying from IBM. The old Byte magazine was the reading.
Built several machines over the years, most notably the Celeron 300A overclocked to 450 MHz. Purpose - run DOOM! very well! IIRC that was a sub-$100 budget proc that gave you the performance of a several hundred dollar Pentium when overclocked.
That timeline doesn't jive, doom and doom2 were pre celeron, you sure you weren't thinking quake?
You’re probably right. We were still playing Doom! because not everyone had a new enough machine to do Quake. We were doing Saturday LAN parties about once a month in the training room. We’d all bring in our home gaming machines, put the tables in a circle with a hub in the center, and go to town for a few hours. Have Dominos deliver a bunch of pizza, talk shit as we shot each other up. It was great!
CA should just put toilet water on their power grid.
I ain't never seen no electricity come out of no toilet
Shit, dat bitch gonna pay ME.
Hospital backup power isn't (or shouldn't be) connected to the general power grid. Their keeping things going won't help anyone nearby (and from the hospitals I've seen here and there, "nearby" isn't usually very near anyway).
As for regulations screwing things up, not just "green" initiatives. There are so many regs out there that make it almost literally impossible to upgrade old infrastructure and make it more efficient (often resulting in less pollution and waste), as regs disallow piecemeal upgrades as resources allow. You either have to spend massive amounts of cash to go all-in at one time (complete with plant downtime, since the workers generally can't do their jobs when the place is torn up for construction), or leave things as they are.
I was literally just thinking about this last night. How 'green' initiatives sound good on paper but then just get horribly mangled in execution due to incompetence, lies and greed.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Wonder if they're shutting off the politicians' power? The same ones that go to gyms and salons while the serfs stay home.
Yuri was right.
"I WAS SETUP!"
You are a god damn US Senator that got outmaneuvered by a hair salon that baited you to casually show your blatant elitism and hypocrisy.
Yep, that's still a good reason to GTFO of office.
I have 2 sisters there. One by choice and one by marriage to military who got moved to SD. The military one is in the process of moving back, but is dealing with that exact situation. There's a pool at the apartment but there's some "really fat old people" that go and yell at anyone that tries to go to the pool. I told her to call the police on them if they bothered her. I doubt she'll push it though.
I just told her "Just wear the mask"
We've had arguements over it on the fake book.
That's called brainwashing to support higher taxes for "green".
They should just reopen San Onofre at this point. It's easier to reopen it then demolish it.
I can attest. I’m sitting in Culver City right now going on 24 hours with no power. We’re not dealing with a rolling black out but dealing with crappy infrastructure. LADWP came out and fixed it yesterday just to have it go out again less than 30 minutes later and now it’s close to 24 hours later and no power trucks to be seen. God I fucking hate this shithole.
No medication but I’ve got a freezer full of meat that’s now going to have to be cooked up this week if they don’t get it going soon. Going on 36 hours now
Seriously? I was in culver all weekend and had power.
All of Culver City isn’t out, but our block is
They refuse to build nuclear power and desalination plants. Pretending that solar/wind will eventually make up their base-load and purify seawater during bad droughts.
Spoiler alert: It won't.
Yup, they're doing the same to New York.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/indian-point-nuclear-reactor-shutdown-a-huge-blow-to-nys-environment/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertbryce/2020/04/12/new-york-has-1300-reasons-not-to-close-indian-point/#21ecc62d523b
These fuckers are shutting down nuclear power plants so they can spend crazy amounts of money on less-efficient methods to produce energy that will hurt the environment way more than the nuclear power plants have.
Fucking hate Democrats and their stupid, corrupt ideas. They've ruined so many states already.
They are like locusts and a cancer. They move and spread to other areas of the country that hasn't been infected by them and destroy that area as well.
My favorite is the wind turbine graveyards. Check it out if you haven't seen them. They can't be recycled so they just bury them in enormous landfills. Green energy my ass.
Yup, I know of a landfill in Abilene. The sales guy underbid the job and the landfill got flooded with them. They were coming in so fast they couldn't process them, so they began stacking them.
By process I mean chop them up with a 60 ton 836 compactor. Landfills sell airspace, so you need to remove the airspace from trash. Ideally you want higher densities per cubic yard which extend the life of the landfill.
With the turbines it takes a lot of processing (fuel, engine and man hours) to break the turbines down. It wasn't profitable for job.
Like this: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-02-05/wind-turbine-blades-can-t-be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills
They could reopen San Onofre. It costs way cheaper than demolishing it. All that really needs to be replaced are the turbines, and then you get a shit ton of cheap clean nuclear energy.
Democrats running the government.
Funny
But "cheap clean nuclear energy" isn't what they want, because that allows the proles to better afford making their own decisions.
In spite of the name, Progressives want to go back to feudal conditions, imagining themselves as the nobles commanding the faceless masses (never mind the historical reality that many nobles were just as much shoveling shit as the serfs, only they bought a title from the local head honcho to make themselves seem special).
This is happening everywhere.
The old school nuclear plants - the last generation that came online in the 70's and 80's... those were the last. Their operating licenses got extended but now we're into the twilight years for them. 2020, 2030 - they will start dropping like files now. 2020 was SO FAR into the future...now it's not.
And has their been a NEW nuclear reactor online in the USA since 1990? Since 2000? I really don't think so. Regulators and NIMBY have made it impossible. No political will or leadership.
You'll also have operators want to close them because they are expensive to operate and gas and coal is cheap. Well... that might all change in the future.
If they possess even a single brain cell, they'd do well not to drink the tap water, or face the consequences.
Dude, but they figured out painting a windmill black kills less birds. That offsets 7 gigatons of carbon.
Even if you turned Africa in a solar power plant it still wouldn't be enough.
The thing is the Democrats just don't a fuck if some common person can turn on a light to see. As long as they can tweet out that they saved a tree. That's all that matters.
A combination of corrupt communist elected officials, stupidity and blind followers.
Reminds me of when Venezuela went socialist, their commie-butt-buddies took over the oil production and ran it into the ground.
keep voting for retarded democrats!
sucks they are going to Texas and voting for retarded dems
I bet big tech, the government, the bureaucrats, and the donors to the DNC aren't skimping on creature comforts.
neither should you, crank up that AC.
Of course not, they're the intelligentsia, they must have their creature comforts. After all, they're miles above us proles.
They never do. It's the riff-raff. The serfs. The Breeders who need to change their lifestyle to be a step above communist peasants. Never the Enlightened such as themselves. They're different.
Green Climate Hysteria Madness.
I'm a science pede, I love science and the scientific method, and I think the current state of Climate Hysteria is a travesty.
If you like science, here's a pretty nice overview, on why Green Madness based on Climate Hysteria is literal INSANITY:
https://www.epa.gov/environmental-economics/global-warming-what-it-all-about
Give it to all your "science" loving liberals.
Yeah I’ve noticed how it’s always the leftist former high school classmates that hated science (and math) and went to study political science/art... that now post all that “listen to the science/expert” horse shit. Same with the Greta Climate Show and the Covid Tyranny. But my opinion about the bad IPCC models that horribly fail observable evidence doesn’t count according to them because I’m not “A Climate Scientist” ....
Oh hell yea, gonna serve this one up with a nice heaping side of red pill
We’re getting letters in the mail, saying make sure your electric vehicle is charged before 3 pm lol. Imagine the soy boys who are “saving the planet” (with their cobalt batteries mined by African children) and the power goes out. Got no A/C and u can’t drive anywhere, it’s 110 degrees over here lol
Right, how is that supposed to work? Don't lots of people work until 5 or 6, plus the commute time?
How much of that is due to the red parts of Cali? I’m curious if the conservative areas are the ones strengthening the economy.
Military most ag and some mfg RED.
Tourism tech most ports BLUE.
Local vacays/outdoors mostly RED.
Local family entertainment any arts BLUE.
Ranch and dairy mostly RED.
Higher ed aka foreign student income BLUE.
Helluva mixed bag
I’m seeing a theme here, things you need: RED
Things you can live without: BLUE
It's location, location, location.
Can't cut the endangered trees growing over the powerlines. Can't generate coal power, oil power or nuclear power. Welcome to the renewable only future.
Absolutely insanity and idiocy.
It’s what you get when people do politics based on feelings (of wokeness) instead of actual facts and logical reasoning.
Their smugness is their eventual downfall.
They like to sniff their own "green energy" farts. Also, they're stupid and remarkably corrupt.
A lot of their power comes from NV because they are not allowed to produce more than X power from non-renewables.
I don't know if you've ever seen this, but maybe it's interesting. You can see demand and supply graphs and charts for CA power usage. This weekend socal was in the 100's. Btw CAISO is "Ca independent system operators".
http://www.caiso.com/todaysoutlook/pages/index.html
Hilariously it still hasn't touched historical highs. Has production gotten worse in 14 years?
Yes.
They cut off an NG power plant in UT that was supplying huge amounts of SoCal energy.
We are a fucking mess out here. And the Board that was supposed to at least make the infrastructure safe is corrupt as hell.
Yes because imagine replacing a powerboat with a sailboat. Sometimes it works ok, many times it doesn’t.
Even sailboats made today have gas engines as backups. That isn’t an accident.
Figures, they probably get high off that too, don't be surprised if you see a Proposition on that...
Don’t they intentionally put the power out now during forest fires because the state and more so the people blamed the electric company for causing fires from lines on the ground. So they said okaayyyyyyyyyyy we will take ourselves out of the equation and turn your power off. Now we cannot make your alleged fires. Then the people had the surprised pikachu face saying wtf we need power for stuff!!! And the power company said nahh.
That was last fire season. This time it is high heat, smoke, and low wind which cranks up the AC, blocks the solar panels, and doesn't turn the wind turbines. They turn off the power lines when the wind is hgh.
Also everyone working from separate houses instead of a smaller number of office buildings.
That was spite and a manipulative play: PGE really legit deliberately refused to schedule or fund line crew intrastructure work for DECADES, created shell corp divisions to move BILLIONS in profits annually into and poof it off the books, corrupted the CPUC to crony favoritism vs protecting taxpayers, caused a number of severe and massively destructive fires from poorly maintained lines and transfer points, then said they were too broke to even trim trees let alone more so not their fault- and cut off power vindictively when they got told it WAS their responsibility.
A monopoly in fact if not on paper makes for a very bad utility model.
Nimby neighborhoods that don’t want heavy equipment trucks so they need to use expensive helicopters. That and dragging maintenance work through local approval processes and the courts.
Every summer, every summer, they do this. It's about raising the rates for electricity.
Wholesale rates for electricity generally bounce between 2 and 4 cents per kwh, that is what the generators get paid to make it here in Ca. How's that compare to the retail rates you pay?
Ya know what socialists used Before candles?
..... electricity
Read about the corrupt power dealing that was Enron ... California was the money state for a LOT of scumbags. I seriously doubt anything has changed, except maybe the names of the crooks.
What? The windmills are solar panels haven't solved the problem?
Govenor turned off our power so he and his besties can have a slumber party and eat ice cream out of the freezer without closing the door. Plus he is running the AC all day.
If only Reagan hadn’t given amnesty to millions of illegals, making Cali blue without even a hope of change short of armed conflict.
You can smell the smug from space.
How Dare you! This is your future under glorious leader Gremlin Thunderburg!
Haven't lost power yet today. Fingers crossed we keep it tomorrow...
It's intentional
At what level of shit and no power do we declare california a 3rd world country?
That line was crossed a long time ago according to any reasonable person. Look at Nancy Pelosi's district and tell me you wouldn't rathrt be in a text book definition "third world" country instead. It's a complete shithole.
I've been to third world countries that are actually nicer. To be in. The poorest people usually try to just come up and sell you little trinkets. They don't scream at you incoherently and inject drugs and defecate in plain sight.
Funny enough - my power in AZ is being cut for 2 hours when they switch over to a new powerline in my area. I don't mind because it's being done during the coolest hours of the day (resetting all the clocks is the only annoyance) after our temperatures are scheduled to drop-off (mid-month).
But the real reason I don't mind is that it should save me 300 dollars from installing a surge protection unit on the central AC unit - which has seen it's fuseblock blow 2x in the last 10 years (once last month - guy replaced it in 25 minutes with zero wait since he was less than a mile from me). I thought I'd wait for a 3rd failure before springing for the optional unit - and I'm glad I did (because the line update should take care of that for more than a decade).
It's fire season in CA which has been one reason for new power management rules, and I suspect more AZ people are using our nukes to higher capacity where we sell spare capacity to southern CA. We've had over 55 days of higher than 110ºF temperatures this summer - but it's coming down now (starting Wednesday).
At least they have a non blue bubble friend...
Most of us here literally have no idea what reality is as no info outside the neolib narrative makes it into the darkblue bubbles.
I only realized with the 2016 elections- after 56 years in the matrix as it were. And I am exceedingly rare here to be a liberal and at the time Dem voter and have woken up. 😕
The cognitive dissonance rejection reaction to even small misaligning info and constant reinforcement of the narratives makes it almost impossible to break the propaganda lock.
Damn, as a millennial male, this is spot on. Even my brother is like that. He simply does not want to grow up and live in the real world. He would prefer to stay in his fantasy and resent anyone who deviates from it.
The culture of the west coast is absolute cancer. I have traveled and or lived in all the major urbanized regions there and it's truly bizarre how infantile people there are on average. At this point I have trouble relating to the very few friends I have left who are from there.
I'm from northern California, currently traveling in the real America (mid America) and looking to move. I've always been essentially far right my whole life I have to say that being from that hell hole has made me probably more extreme in my beliefs than people in most red states. There are some of us out there and there are red areas there in the mountains and rural areas. The sad truth though is that most people there are hopelessly brainwashed. Even my family who are conservatives seem very foreign to me at this point in terms of their views vs mine (I'm essentially a far right nationalist). I hope that all the craziness going on there can get more people to think the way I do and the state can be taken back but the reality is that a few million people absolutely will have to be deported for the state to ever have a chance at becoming a true American state again.
I from Ohio , We have a corruption case going about our nuclear power "First Energy" gave this Republican Rhino a bunch of money to pay everyone off and mostly DemoCrips. Another Republican turned him in...
In Cali, there were told to shut down gas generators - since they are not green enough.
Also, told not to cut overgrowth forest and use it for timber - so now the criminal aliens set fires.
I like Nevada.
Nevada has been turned either blue or purple, hard to tell exactly which right now, by the people leaving California. It still has relatively good gun laws (it's no Arizona though) but it's a ship that's quickly taking on water
They're finding out that "green" energy isn't sustainable. And it's not renewable.
Manufactured Misery because Orange Man Bad
It's not even Orange Man Bad. It's Human Bad. They're pushing the Global Warming hoax by letting their electricity infrastructure crumble so it seems like the end of the world.
They got what they voted for! 🤣😁😎 That there is the Green New Deal in action!!!
Also sadly the average Californian still rabidly supports their dear leader I don't think the same could he said for north koreans
I live in Los Angeles. Had my AC set to 70 degrees all day. Fuck em
Nevadan here. We’re not having blackouts, but with the recent heatwave, we’ve been getting a lot of messages along the lines of “please conserve power from 4 - 9 PM so we don’t have to resort to blackouts”. So we’re not necessarily the best comparison.
It's so that NV Energy can sell its grid power to California.
https://giphy.com/gifs/southparkgifs-3oz8xSSfPn6zRSjJPa
Remember Enron? They were orchestrating power shortages to increase their profits in CA. California has a long history of manipulating it's own power grid to further their goals. I think they want to generate more discontent with the current grid so people vote in more money for green energy or whatever. It could also be for money who really knows?
And to think, you are paying an extra 70% than what other Americans pay for electricity too when you live there.
What ever happened to that fetal alcohol syndrome kid the left had as their hero for months?
Tfw leftists blame PG&E for all the energy problems and claim that eliminating the privitization of energy would solve all our issues, despite the fact that government regulation has made it all but impossible to compete with PG&E, thus creating the issue they whine against
😁 California war on light pollution. We as humans have changed the intensity of the Universe with all our lights. California is taking the lead again, showing the world how it is done.
California power usage peaks at around 50,000 megawatts.
In 2013 they shut down and decommissioned San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station. It produced about 2,200 megawatts.
They plan to shut down and decommission Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant by 2024. It also produces about 2,200 megawatts.
The four gas-powered facilities are scheduled to shut down by Dec. 31, 2020 under a regulation requiring coastal power plants to stop using ocean water for cooling. (This will probably be delayed.)
34% of California's energy comes from natural gas-fired power plants, which California is actively trying to eliminate.
They're doing it to blame trump. Just more election meddling
Environmental regulation. The big reason is the San Onofre plant got closed, but the real problem was that no one ever bothered to replace those lost GW. Yes, it's as simple as basis addition and subtraction that was never part of the management of the power grid. There is not enough power to supply the state if everyone is on the grid at the same time. It's no different than frying a breaker in a room because you're using too much power, all you need is a few new sockets under a different power source. They do not want to build new power plants because the green boys keep telling them prince Al Gore said not to.
Meanwhile in Ohio when he hit ~105° in 2012 for a week straight the worst that happened was “You might lose power for an hour or two because y’all keep trying to keep your houses at 68° when it’s nearly 40° hotter outside.”