Nike and Lebron and Xi Jinping and Raytheon and Soros and Disney are all poor helpless oppressed saints who need to be protected from the all-powerful evil racist white supremacist hatemongering divisive carpenter from West Virginia.
My favorite part of the Disney financials is the epic black hole that is their ESPN league rights liabilities against plummeting revenue with people cutting the cord en masse. It’s so beautiful watching this ship sink.
All creativity has died. Probably why we see so many reboots. Communists cultures are not known for their creativity. We are in an entertainment dark age.
Ahh yes, the small family religious bakery industrial complex. Literally the source of all capitalistic oppreshun and white supremacy terrorism and nazism. It was so stunning and brave for those teams of corporate lawyers and politicians and prosecutors and transnational media conglomerates to literally storm Omaha Beach and take them down.
It's an easy attitude to take, but a harmful one. The moment you view all democrats like that, you have written off the potential to reason and convince them of their party's lunacy. Most Twitter-obsessed people are a lost cause, but many people just don't know better. Unlike you or I, most people don't live in the news cycle, they hear a few things from coworkers or on TV, take it as truth and don't bother beyond that. You can reason with people like that, and you should be doing that every day.
It's not just limited to democrats, either. Jimmy Dore rightfully pointed out once that over a hundred million people in America just don't vote. These are people you can talk to as well. They don't think things can change, or don't care. Prove them wrong. Show them that things have changed for the better under Trump, and point out how bad things will get under Biden.
I have many conversations about politics with both Americans and non-Americans (I'm not American myself), and most people are not as radical as what you come across. Many are either reasonable people, or just uninformed. My sister, an anti-Brexit, anti-Trump, Sanders supporter and all around leftie in most counts, recently said to me that Biden was creepy because of the kid-sniffing stuff (keep memeing that, it's working), that defunding police is crazy and that the BLM rioters who keep defending criminals are doing far more damage to their own cause than good. I had completely written my sister off, but clearly she's much more reasonable than I'd expected. We had a genuinely nice chat, with me explaining some of Trump's achievements and the importance of things like the Second Amendment, and she was very agreeable.
tl;dr Most people are not as rabid as you think, try not to discount them if you can and instead try to persuade them via genuine conversations. Not everyone is a Twitter user, and it won't hurt to try.
Yeah, most people are simply apolitical and yet reasonable. They just mind their own business and don't mess around. Those news cycle are just background noises that have nothing to do with their lives - until this year. The lockdown and riot have virtually affected everyone. That will drive them out to vote despite of the dems' scaremongering. They've had enough of those microtyrannts.
Another thing is, they see other people as real persons in flesh and bones rather than political acolytes. For example, if you introduce your sister to them on a personal level, they would first ask about what she looks like, where she comes from, what she does for a living, what connections or resources she has that may help them, etc. They won't care about her political affiliation and those labels at all.
Politics are so different here that saying "vote dem" is utterly meaningless. We have 15 parties, and out of the three major ones, the one's that supported by big cities and social media pundits is also more economically conservative (literally called the Conservative party here), despite being somewhat-more socially progressive. (I do mean somewhat, it's all lip service). The rural-supported party that tries to appeal to older people also has imposed several restrictions on alcohol and done other several questionable things like that.
I suspect that in America, my sister would be a Jimmy Dore-esque case and vote third party. She seemed on board with some of the economic policies like medicare for all and education for all, and she doesn't agree with the social issues and pandering that the democrats do.
It's a moot point as neither me nor my sister are Americans, but as I said, we have 15 parties* here. The vast majority of people with knowledge of American politics here consider your two party system to be, at best, baffling. I know she certainly spoke out against it. And considering the disgust she expressed at numerous prominent democrat politicians and their party line, and her belief that Biden is genuinely worse than Trump, I'd expect her to throw out some protest vote for the greens or libertarians, in the hopes of breaking or shaking the two party system up.
You're also doing exactly what I warned against and writing people off. Not everyone's a radical Twitter user or Redditor, most people are capable of reason. You just have to know how to appeal to them. To a person who despises Trump's character, you can't just shitpost your way into getting their support, so most of the top content on this site wouldn't do much to persuade them. But ultimately, lives are at risk due to the riots, and the economy's at risk due to shutdowns. If there's any time to reason with people and change their minds, it's now. Even if it's temporary and they jump on the socialism bandwagon in 2024, that's better than nothing.
*It's parties, as well as political coalitions which are smaller groups of people with smaller bars of entry. They'd never be able to attain majority as they generally have a handful of members but they can and have gotten seats, usually giving a well-known politician or activist some say in our equivalent of Congress.
They all think they will be the ones in power. They don't understand that helping Stalin get into power means that you're just going to be photoshopped out of pics.
There's an image floating around of tankies discussing their potential roles once the revolution takes place. They ranged from re-education counselor to "military logistics/uniform design" to some sort of commander. Only one had the self awareness to say he'd probably be working in a field somewhere.
But no, most of them don't have a great grasp of what would become of them if what they think they want comes to pass.
Funny how the "proletariat" is always the ones most fucked over by communism. It's literally a system where the most productive people have no incentive and get fucked over the most.
The reason why communism took off in Russia and China is because they were being upgraded from feudal serfdom, and were pretty much the last countries on the planet to graduate from the dark ages caused by that deplorable system. So for them, communism was an improvement. A very small, but nonetheless perceptible, improvement.
TBH I think the.vietnamese communist government will transition into a republic within the next 50 years. The. Vietnamese are only commies because of the Chinese, and they hate the Chinese now.
If you wanted a roadmap of how countries recover from communism, take East Germany.
East Germany is still lethargic from 50 years of pure unadulterated Soviet communism, 30 years after perestroika and the dismantling of the German wall.
It ain't easy detaching from the state once its got its hooks into you.
You've probably seen how leftards get along with each other in the US; it's no better elsewhere. On 1975 April 5, not exactly the height of the Cold War since ASTP was coming up (and the NASA engineers were going to have some questions regarding this particular launch) at 11:07Z, a Soyuz rocket with a Soyuz Ferry spacecraft pending designation Soyuz 18 (given to a later flight because they don't get their numbers until they make orbit - USSR doesn't like to admit their failures so this one gets called Soyuz 18A, or Soyuz 18-1 depending on which historian you're reading) carrying Oleg Makarov and Vasili Lazarev decided it was going to take a piss during 2/3 staging while the IIP was closest to the border with China (avoiding the IIP tracking through China is why the minimum inclination for Baikonur, 51.6deg, is so much higher than its latitude, 45.9deg.) The landing was going to be about 100 miles north of the border with China (I can't remember whether nautical or statute, but probably nautical) after a potentially deadly 20G entry deceleration. The crew members had a pretty good idea what would happen if they landed in China: they'd likely be arrested as spies. They also had at least some idea how the USSR treated its spies, and- ...you'd rather get interrogated by Jack Bauer, let's leave it at that. So, the crew has just escaped an exploding orbital booster and the Gs are building up, and they're about to pass out and crash unconscious into a mountain range that currently has a blizzard in progress, and what's the thing they're asking about?
"Are we gonna land in China?"
"No."
"Are we gonna land in China?"
"No."
They asked at least four times.
Both cosmonauts were denied their 3000 ruble spaceflight bonus pay and had to appeal all the way to Brezhnev before being paid.
I didn't understand half of it; but yes. It's something I realized a while back, even if the world did go Communist; competition and war wouldn't go away, the Communist world would still come up with reasons to kill each other. "Ho, oh well, Communist Canada just isn't Communist enough, Comrades, don't you agree? We must burn their land and salt their fields for this transgression."
Communism will never bring peace, just the same ol' BS, with a nice happy government approved smile plastered over it.
It goes back more than a thousand years really. You see, Vietnamese culture basically emerged from a crosspollination between the "Han" Chinese colonists and settlers in what's now Southern China and Northern Vietnam, and the local peoples. Unfortunately, China going to China, they ultimately made themselves a burdensome nuisance to the Vietnamese. Which led to a lot of rebellions, revolts, and pull away until eventually the first independent Viets kicked the Chinese out, followed by recognizing themselves as "tributaries" of the Chinese, like the Chinese demanded everybody do in order to have any diplomacy with them until the British shoved cannons up their butts.
If I had to summarize Vietnamese grand strategy in a short manner, it's Vietnam trying to maintain as much independence and internal power as possible while still paying lip service to the Chinese as overlords (for the trade, prestige, and please don't invade us) while the Chinese try to exert as much power over Vietnam as possible without getting too bogged down in yet another costly war.
Independence from France and Commiezization hasn't realy changed the equation TOO Much, at least once the Evil Westerners were forced out.
A fair point, though it's more that Cambodia's Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge went to war with Vietnam, Vietnam retaliated, and the PRC went to war with Vietnam to (try and fail to) support their ally Pol Pot.
Yea, China is basically invading Vietnamese water (China claims it's the south china sea. Vietnam claims its the eastern sea. Phillipinos call it the western sea. It's disputed territory regardless of what Google maps says.
China is doing their thing rampaging through Vietnamese waters, sinking fishing boats, and generally causing hell for the historically fishing-dedicated communities. There is a lot of tension along the northern border as well, along with Vietnam working to siphon factory work away from China to grow their economy.
Vietnam has also recently opened up property to be leased by foreign investment and private ownership, and some tourist areas are seeing massive rows of Marriots and Hilton's under construction.
The government is also working hard to entice families that fled in the 70s to return and start businesses, bring with them Western connections
China seems to have this program of Beat & Rape for the world's less fortunate countries, which at first seems like a good deal, but- ...just a sec. Apparently, the sound guy seems to think I'm talking about Belt & Road.
They had a real estate boom after the 2008 Olympic Games. Their central bank pumped out billions of money for stimulus during the financial crisis, and most of it flew into construction and related industries, which caused a huge real estate bubble that lasted till today and overproduction of building materials. Their solution for that was to export their trash into third world countries. That program is also a debt trap they set up to gain control of strategic locations for their global presence and influence, so I'd say it's more like drug and rape.
In 2009 all mentions of communism were silently removed from their constitution and replaced with the Juche (Kim Dynasty Worship) Ideology.
So according to wiki the only communist states left are China, Laos, Vietnam, and Cuba.
Oh the irony of Vietnam joining our Anti-China Coalition. 45 years since the end of the 20 year War, the descendants of the Viet Cong and the American Military are finally teaming up.
Though the difference is small, it is there nonetheless. You can be socialist and not be communist (heck most of the Soviet Union’s allies in the Cold War weren’t communist, but they were socialist).
That doesn’t make Venezuela a good place however, if Communism is Cancer then Socialism is the Flu.
Never really seen the philosophical differences between Socialism, and Communism. Historically, Communism was supposed to to lead to Socialism. But after the fall of the Berlin, Communism was discredited, so now everybody wants to say their just socialists instead.
Originally, they were considered very different. There's actually several different forms of socialism: communal socialism, democratic socialism, and scientific socialism.
(Communal socialism is things like the Amish or kibbutzes, or even the stupid hippy communes. Basically, a bunch of weirdos that get weird together. These people are frequently capitalists, as that's the only system free enough to allow their voluntary economic association. Communal socialism is less an ideology and more a lifestyle.)
Democratic socialism is like Europe or Venezuela. Basically, it's just the evolution of shitty big government policies to its natural conclusion: idiots voting themselves free stuff was foreseen well before even the first socialist movement. This is why real socialists make sense but just sound fucking dumb.
Scientific socialism is Communism. They saw the natural evolution of democratic socialism and decided that it somehow leads to Communism, because science. Communism is the "final form" here (not socialism, you got it backwards), and it is actually an anarchist utopia where we all ride unicorns and eat ice cream. (This is why anarchists so often show up at Communist meetings, btw.) This happens because once a government is socialist, somehow it will magically just stop existing. There's two versions of this particular ideology, national and international, but you can probably gather the niceties of each just from the terms. (Yes, this is where I put the Nazis--literally right next to Communists ideologically. Marx wrote a lot in German, and it got really... Hitlery.)
TLDR: The easiest philosophical/ideological difference to notice is the Communists believe in the creation of a static heaven on earth, rooted in anarchy, that is created magically from the remains of the biggest and most violent government you can imagine. Your average socialist just wants a bigger government that gives them free healthcare--there is no further step.
...I recall some pretty nasty incidences, including one in Edinburgh where 18,000 Christians froze to death in cages outside while waiting to be burned at the stake, but yeah I see your point. That said, I'll stand behind the word "perceptible" even if the perception is arguably a false one.
Edit: So, 16 hours and 50 minutes after posting this comment and about 15 seconds after I decided that the something demanding a citation doesn't deserve to be notified of my find, I feel forced to give up on the specific claim of the Edinburgh freeze. On the way, I found a reading from Foxe's Book of Martyrs with numbers from the Spanish Inquisition, but I'm not sure of the breakdown or sum (and can't find any online copies that have these totals), as to whether it adds up to 31912 or 42132 executions. There would obviously be a lot of additional non-execution fatalities among the hundreds of thousands of those robbed and imprisoned which could be counted as murders.
If I find it (and I'm not sure if I recalled the right playlist, or even the right channel at this point), it will almost certainly have a citation with it. I am still looking. But hey, you can do yourself a favour and conduct your own search. Wikipedia is extremely unreliable on these topics.
Ask what Ivan the Terrible did to places like Novgorod, Livonia, and so on and then get back to me. It tended to miss the spectacular numbers game or suffocating oppression of modern totalitarian systems, but it could be pretty nasty.
Russia has pretty much ALWAYS had an autocratic government. Whether it be the Monarchist Czars, the Communist Bolsheviks, or the Authoritarian Vladimir Putin.
A little history lesson about Russia.
Russia was officially formed in 1547 when the Grand Prince of Moscow, Ivan IV (Ivan the Terrible) had himself crowned the first Tsar of a unified Russia. In all that time since, Russia has only ever had TWO instances of Limited Government.
The first time was the short lived Russian Republic which existed from the Abdication of Tsar Nicholas II on March 15th, 1917 to the Bolshevik seizure of Power on November 7th, 1917.
The second time was during the Presidency of Boris Yeltsin which lasted from the collapse of the Soviet Union on December 25th, 1991 to the ascension of Vladimir Putin on December 31st, 1999.
What does all this mean? It means don’t expect Russia to become a paragon of Democracy anytime soon. They are so used to autocracy that they simply don’t care about liberty and democracy.
True, but he might mean that the individual fiefdoms where rulers had the sort of authority we associate with modern presidents and PMs were small, and I actually don't know of any that exceed a million people (maybe Rome and Constantinople, but I doubt it.) This makes seven and eight figure massacres very difficult to accomplish. Unless your name is Yersinia Pestis ;) Also remember that the planet's human population was only nine figures at the time.
And it took massive and global destabilizing events for communists to even have a shake at successfully pulling their revolutions off (wwi for russia and wwii for china)
Youre talking about the specific people who did the physical acts, Im talking about the people that coordinated or caused them that are much higher up the food chain.
Gavrilo Princep (the one who shot Archduke Franz Ferdinand) was a Serbian nationalist, not a communist.
That's like saying Derek Chauvin and Rolfe Garrett are not communists, lol! Think of it this way: A watched pot never boils, right? No, it just seems like it, but if you get a really, really clean pot polished down so that it has just a couple of bits of scale left on the bottom, some semi-predictable spots where nucleate boiling is likely to start, and you crank up the heat. Then you watch all those spots, listen and wait for the first bubble - see, I'm not scale, I didn't make the pot start boiling! (By the way, actually doing this could be dangerous, because if you are highly successful, the water could significantly superheat and then blow up in your face when it starts to boil. Edit: I should add that I mean this literally as well as figuratively.)
What evidence do you have that Princep was a communist.
Last I checked he was fighting for a unified Serbia / Yugoslavia, not a Communist Revolution.
Unless you want to argue that the communists were funding Princep’s terrorist group, but you would be wrong there to as the Black Hand was being funded by the Serbian Government.
What evidence do you have that Princep was a communist.
I never said he was, I said it was irrelevant. The revolutionaries don't give a shit about the ideology of their useful idiots. At least not until they gain power and their useful idiots might have a problem with where they want to take things. That's when the revolutionaries, now dictators, pull out their long knives.
There are some contemporaneous discussion of the phenomenon around here, namely those threads warning against counter-protests in areas where violence from the far left is likely, e.g. Portland and Seattle.
Marx actually pointed out that socialism is the next state AFTER capitalism, and communism is the ultimate state, which is what heaven would feel like on earth where everyone lives abundantly and only works for self fulfillment, no worries about bills and debts, no oppression or violence. The thing is, you need centrues of capitalism to accumulate wealth to fund socialism. On a micro level, it's like if you're a millionaire you can live on the interest of your wealth alone and never have to work, but you have to earn the millions first to become a millionaire, no? That's why he predicted that socialism will first take place in western europe, and that's probably also why leftists argue that soviet communism is not real communism, those are merely an experiment. In theory, capitalism and socialsm are not two systems in rivalry. Capitalism is the way to get to socialism.
As for Russia and China, unfortunately they were left far behind as you said, and they did think that socialism is a superior system over capitalism, the best way to help them collect all the resources and catch up with the west. But overall, what they went through was just a grand social experiment, which turned out to be an epic failure. They've both transformed into state run capitalism. In China it's called socialism with Chinese features, which in fact is just state monopoly over key industries.
Perhaps, but I can't improve it from your comment. If I've made some fundamental error in this supersynchronous orbital view of the historical situation, you should do everyone the service of pointing it out.
I think half my Grade 10 Social Studies course was about the 1917 Revolution and about all I remember about it was a few hilarious moments from a movie where Tom Baker (whom I already knew from syndicated Doctor Who broadcasts) starred as Rasputin.
I like how everyone begging for extending lockdowns also happens to be upper middle class or higher, gainfully employed and able to work from home. Yeah, y'all are really on the side of the working poor.
No way "bartenders, service workers, movie theater attendants, and non grocery retail employees" are being squeezed. Unemployment benefits during this year have given huge amounts of money to people in non-essential positions. It has been incredibly difficult to entice employees to come back to their regular jobs after making so much on the dole
Yeah I've got a group of friends (all voting for Trump) but, they don't want to go back to work because they're making more money not working. They are just playing the system, which I get, but it shouldnt be possible to make more money while not working than you did while working
I've argued with these dumbasses irl before and I can just picture the blank expression on their face as they try to process this argument, give up, and then list off another one of their predetermined responses.
This is what people don't understand about communism. The people fighting for it are usually wealthier and living better than they realize, they are not the lower class. If communism were enacted, they would be pushed out of their comfortable 5-bedroom home and it would become a communal living quarters. Meanwhile, a lot of the lower class fights for conservative values and for Trump because they're tired of having their potential jobs being moved to other countries by wealthy democrats. A lot of people who vote Trump are doing much worse than people expect, and in a communist society, they'd be the ones invading your property and not the other way around.
The one thing all of us communists know is that the resources of the country belong to the people collectively. It's unjust for the rich to lock up all of the natural beauty of our coasts with low density mansions. We need to bulldoze all of the homes on the coast of california and build high density housing FOR THE PEOPLE so that we can all live on the coast. It's only fair. /s
The CIA has infiltrated all major corporations, through blackmail, bribes, bailouts the CIA controls them all and uses them as soft-money to prop up and fund democrat causes.
ANTIFA/BLM are the militant branch of the democrat party.
We need a major RICO action against them all, burn the whole corrupt house to the ground with thousands sent to prison for a very long time.
Correct, plus see Sundance's work, CIA using "contractors" and FBi-NSD illegally conducted domestic corporate espionage using the NSA databases and destroyed companies that way too; or helped/hurt the co-conspirators.
THAT is why the Fortune 500 are so quick to support B:M and the communist insurrection.
Because the Brennan crowd et al that Schumer referred to have ALL the dirt on them and can trigger lots of trouble in SDNY etc.
I keep seeing the theory floated that the CIA, FBI or other US Intel agencies are behind BLM/AntiFa, but I don't understand where it comes from.
There is definite evidence of neo-liberal wealthy people such as Soros pouring money into these causes - do you have evidence that the CIA finances/controls these movements?
And every corporation that weighs in on it in support adds another layer of stupidity. Like how is it even possible they don't get it whenever fucking McDonalds is supporting it?
2011: Occupy Wall St.
2020: Wall St. is marching,literally on the streets elbow to elbow, with BLM and Antifa.
(Hey guys, aren't the systemic oppressors you keep shouting about supposed to be on the other side?)
Wall St. has done a great job playing both sides. They know long term profits will be theirs regardless who wins. If Trump wins, they will get tax breaks, and if he loses, they will take over the last remaining mom and pop businesses out there.
I do think there is some good intent, the issue is they are all very close minded when it comes to hearing differing opinions and they just shut them out, so when they hear people tell them what's wrong with communism, they start belittling the person instead of listening
Wouldn't be the first time the self-proclaimed heroes of the proletariat fought against them and in service of an ideology that seeks to brutalize & enslave all others. Don't even have to search abroad or too far into history to the more famous examples of full-blown Communist revolutions to find bourgeois commies fighting the real proles with hellish hatred: just look at the student wannabe-revolutionaries of the 60s and 70s who battled the literally-blue-collar cops of their day - useful idiots to a man or woman, back when even they were still sane enough not to identify as agender demiqueers.
The whole social justice shtick is the educated elite pitting the poor against the middle class, so that they can destroy the middle class. So that in the end there's only the few upper elite and the rest are the poor that serve them.
Antifa (then Anti-Racist Action / One Peoples Project) was getting my profiles deleted on myspace back in 2007. They've been around longer than people realize.
in Europe antifa is a known much longer. They are really handy for the bourgeoisie that stop any criticism. In the 90''s the mayor would call the antifa if they would please come to counter-protest nationalist so they could prohibit all demonstrations because of possible riots. They were litterally asked to come to give them an excuse. Also top ring leader of antifa many years later revealed himself to be working for the secret service.
They really have no idea. Then again, the Communist Manifesto is a somewhat difficult read, you can't expect them to actually read it and understand it.
Only in communist countries are there just the rich land owners and the poor. Here we have the Middle Class because we embrace a FREE market where any man or women can start a business and have a decent living.
White guilt is the primary reason. Big tech wants to expand, therefore they need to get rid of national sovreignty. White people need to be knocked down a peg so that their countries can be flooded with foreigners who will grow the market and provide cheap labor. Democrats just want power and are trying to skate on top of the white guilt phenomenon. Not that complex.
Useful idiots
Every. Single. Dem.
They don’t even realize what they’re really fighting for. Increased power to the people they claim to hate.
Nike and Lebron and Xi Jinping and Raytheon and Soros and Disney are all poor helpless oppressed saints who need to be protected from the all-powerful evil racist white supremacist hatemongering divisive carpenter from West Virginia.
As a disgruntled YouTuber who needs royalty free music to explore shopping malls, I would be happy to fight copyright laws.
This might be helpful perhaps?
You couldnt be Dan Bell. Hes always struck me as a lefty. But I am one of those people who enjoy 'abandoned' videos.
Would you link your channel? I love exploration content.
My favorite part of the Disney financials is the epic black hole that is their ESPN league rights liabilities against plummeting revenue with people cutting the cord en masse. It’s so beautiful watching this ship sink.
This is Disney’s fault.
I would love it if they went bankrupt and we can bring our copyright laws back to a semblance of sanity.
Think about it, sports were a bastion of normalcy until Disney bought out ESPN, it has been a slow decline ever since.
Disney lives well with their streaming service. I wonder how is Marvel brand doing. What do they have to offer after the end of the Avengers?
Well we’re getting some kind of Kamala Khan product here pretty soon... you know, that character everyone loves!
Marvel is screwed. It’s done. Everyone was done after Endgame. There’s nowhere left to go.
Sounds like its creativity has died with Stan Lee. What a tragedy.
All creativity has died. Probably why we see so many reboots. Communists cultures are not known for their creativity. We are in an entertainment dark age.
Oh I’m sure they’re scrambling for another Black Panther-like woke wank fest.
they don't need disney for that. two black women are creating wakanda in georgia.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/07/women-plan-all-black-community-georgia-400-years-racial-oppression/
Kamala Khan is a Muslim. So yeah, it’s going to be a whole cringe fest for sure
How can you fix something after putting it in a grave and leaving a steaming deuce on the headstone?
Right, those woke episodes are there forever. Purple haired SJW commander? Gonna be a big no for me on any future Star Wars.
Why do people care about avengers? It's not even fucking real
Jesus might have been a carpenter, but he was none of those other things.
Don't forget the homophobic bigot Christian baker.
Ahh yes, the small family religious bakery industrial complex. Literally the source of all capitalistic oppreshun and white supremacy terrorism and nazism. It was so stunning and brave for those teams of corporate lawyers and politicians and prosecutors and transnational media conglomerates to literally storm Omaha Beach and take them down.
It's an easy attitude to take, but a harmful one. The moment you view all democrats like that, you have written off the potential to reason and convince them of their party's lunacy. Most Twitter-obsessed people are a lost cause, but many people just don't know better. Unlike you or I, most people don't live in the news cycle, they hear a few things from coworkers or on TV, take it as truth and don't bother beyond that. You can reason with people like that, and you should be doing that every day.
It's not just limited to democrats, either. Jimmy Dore rightfully pointed out once that over a hundred million people in America just don't vote. These are people you can talk to as well. They don't think things can change, or don't care. Prove them wrong. Show them that things have changed for the better under Trump, and point out how bad things will get under Biden.
I have many conversations about politics with both Americans and non-Americans (I'm not American myself), and most people are not as radical as what you come across. Many are either reasonable people, or just uninformed. My sister, an anti-Brexit, anti-Trump, Sanders supporter and all around leftie in most counts, recently said to me that Biden was creepy because of the kid-sniffing stuff (keep memeing that, it's working), that defunding police is crazy and that the BLM rioters who keep defending criminals are doing far more damage to their own cause than good. I had completely written my sister off, but clearly she's much more reasonable than I'd expected. We had a genuinely nice chat, with me explaining some of Trump's achievements and the importance of things like the Second Amendment, and she was very agreeable.
tl;dr Most people are not as rabid as you think, try not to discount them if you can and instead try to persuade them via genuine conversations. Not everyone is a Twitter user, and it won't hurt to try.
Well said, fren. I am so used to talking to my wife and friends who keep up, I am STUNNED by how many don't. Don't write them all off.
Yeah, most people are simply apolitical and yet reasonable. They just mind their own business and don't mess around. Those news cycle are just background noises that have nothing to do with their lives - until this year. The lockdown and riot have virtually affected everyone. That will drive them out to vote despite of the dems' scaremongering. They've had enough of those microtyrannts.
Another thing is, they see other people as real persons in flesh and bones rather than political acolytes. For example, if you introduce your sister to them on a personal level, they would first ask about what she looks like, where she comes from, what she does for a living, what connections or resources she has that may help them, etc. They won't care about her political affiliation and those labels at all.
All that and I bet your sister still votes dem.
Politics are so different here that saying "vote dem" is utterly meaningless. We have 15 parties, and out of the three major ones, the one's that supported by big cities and social media pundits is also more economically conservative (literally called the Conservative party here), despite being somewhat-more socially progressive. (I do mean somewhat, it's all lip service). The rural-supported party that tries to appeal to older people also has imposed several restrictions on alcohol and done other several questionable things like that.
I suspect that in America, my sister would be a Jimmy Dore-esque case and vote third party. She seemed on board with some of the economic policies like medicare for all and education for all, and she doesn't agree with the social issues and pandering that the democrats do.
No man. Those people vote dem, not third party
It's a moot point as neither me nor my sister are Americans, but as I said, we have 15 parties* here. The vast majority of people with knowledge of American politics here consider your two party system to be, at best, baffling. I know she certainly spoke out against it. And considering the disgust she expressed at numerous prominent democrat politicians and their party line, and her belief that Biden is genuinely worse than Trump, I'd expect her to throw out some protest vote for the greens or libertarians, in the hopes of breaking or shaking the two party system up.
You're also doing exactly what I warned against and writing people off. Not everyone's a radical Twitter user or Redditor, most people are capable of reason. You just have to know how to appeal to them. To a person who despises Trump's character, you can't just shitpost your way into getting their support, so most of the top content on this site wouldn't do much to persuade them. But ultimately, lives are at risk due to the riots, and the economy's at risk due to shutdowns. If there's any time to reason with people and change their minds, it's now. Even if it's temporary and they jump on the socialism bandwagon in 2024, that's better than nothing.
*It's parties, as well as political coalitions which are smaller groups of people with smaller bars of entry. They'd never be able to attain majority as they generally have a handful of members but they can and have gotten seats, usually giving a well-known politician or activist some say in our equivalent of Congress.
It's not a moot point when you're telling people what to do from afar.
I was a democrat. I saw the light. It can happen!
Don’t these people understand that they will be the first ones put down if the people they promote get into power.
No. They do not
They all think they will be the ones in power. They don't understand that helping Stalin get into power means that you're just going to be photoshopped out of pics.
They don’t see past their next dose of meth
There's an image floating around of tankies discussing their potential roles once the revolution takes place. They ranged from re-education counselor to "military logistics/uniform design" to some sort of commander. Only one had the self awareness to say he'd probably be working in a field somewhere.
But no, most of them don't have a great grasp of what would become of them if what they think they want comes to pass.
Antifa are the idiots of the useful idiot horde. Really really f’ing stupid people.
Indeed. Its 'The systems neatest trick"
Retards destroying mom and pop stores and their local economies to protest discrimination is as stupid as it gets.
Funny how the "proletariat" is always the ones most fucked over by communism. It's literally a system where the most productive people have no incentive and get fucked over the most.
The reason why communism took off in Russia and China is because they were being upgraded from feudal serfdom, and were pretty much the last countries on the planet to graduate from the dark ages caused by that deplorable system. So for them, communism was an improvement. A very small, but nonetheless perceptible, improvement.
TBH I think the.vietnamese communist government will transition into a republic within the next 50 years. The. Vietnamese are only commies because of the Chinese, and they hate the Chinese now.
If you wanted a roadmap of how countries recover from communism, take East Germany.
East Germany is still lethargic from 50 years of pure unadulterated Soviet communism, 30 years after perestroika and the dismantling of the German wall.
It ain't easy detaching from the state once its got its hooks into you.
It's not easy when your PM is a literal communist and won't let you detach.
Do they really? I'd heard of tensions between India and China, but not Vietnam and China.
Yes really. Long standing beef between them, I believe there was a war some decades ago even
Its been for centuries really.
Weeeeird. I thought they being both Commie nations they'd be like butt buddies.
You've probably seen how leftards get along with each other in the US; it's no better elsewhere. On 1975 April 5, not exactly the height of the Cold War since ASTP was coming up (and the NASA engineers were going to have some questions regarding this particular launch) at 11:07Z, a Soyuz rocket with a Soyuz Ferry spacecraft pending designation Soyuz 18 (given to a later flight because they don't get their numbers until they make orbit - USSR doesn't like to admit their failures so this one gets called Soyuz 18A, or Soyuz 18-1 depending on which historian you're reading) carrying Oleg Makarov and Vasili Lazarev decided it was going to take a piss during 2/3 staging while the IIP was closest to the border with China (avoiding the IIP tracking through China is why the minimum inclination for Baikonur, 51.6deg, is so much higher than its latitude, 45.9deg.) The landing was going to be about 100 miles north of the border with China (I can't remember whether nautical or statute, but probably nautical) after a potentially deadly 20G entry deceleration. The crew members had a pretty good idea what would happen if they landed in China: they'd likely be arrested as spies. They also had at least some idea how the USSR treated its spies, and- ...you'd rather get interrogated by Jack Bauer, let's leave it at that. So, the crew has just escaped an exploding orbital booster and the Gs are building up, and they're about to pass out and crash unconscious into a mountain range that currently has a blizzard in progress, and what's the thing they're asking about?
"Are we gonna land in China?"
"No."
"Are we gonna land in China?"
"No."
They asked at least four times.
- Astronautix
I didn't understand half of it; but yes. It's something I realized a while back, even if the world did go Communist; competition and war wouldn't go away, the Communist world would still come up with reasons to kill each other. "Ho, oh well, Communist Canada just isn't Communist enough, Comrades, don't you agree? We must burn their land and salt their fields for this transgression."
Communism will never bring peace, just the same ol' BS, with a nice happy government approved smile plastered over it.
It goes back more than a thousand years really. You see, Vietnamese culture basically emerged from a crosspollination between the "Han" Chinese colonists and settlers in what's now Southern China and Northern Vietnam, and the local peoples. Unfortunately, China going to China, they ultimately made themselves a burdensome nuisance to the Vietnamese. Which led to a lot of rebellions, revolts, and pull away until eventually the first independent Viets kicked the Chinese out, followed by recognizing themselves as "tributaries" of the Chinese, like the Chinese demanded everybody do in order to have any diplomacy with them until the British shoved cannons up their butts.
If I had to summarize Vietnamese grand strategy in a short manner, it's Vietnam trying to maintain as much independence and internal power as possible while still paying lip service to the Chinese as overlords (for the trade, prestige, and please don't invade us) while the Chinese try to exert as much power over Vietnam as possible without getting too bogged down in yet another costly war.
Independence from France and Commiezization hasn't realy changed the equation TOO Much, at least once the Evil Westerners were forced out.
Remember, after the end of the Vietnam War in 1975, the Vietnamese almost immediately went to war against China and Cambodia.
A fair point, though it's more that Cambodia's Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge went to war with Vietnam, Vietnam retaliated, and the PRC went to war with Vietnam to (try and fail to) support their ally Pol Pot.
Huh, insightful.
Thank you kindly.
Yea, China is basically invading Vietnamese water (China claims it's the south china sea. Vietnam claims its the eastern sea. Phillipinos call it the western sea. It's disputed territory regardless of what Google maps says.
China is doing their thing rampaging through Vietnamese waters, sinking fishing boats, and generally causing hell for the historically fishing-dedicated communities. There is a lot of tension along the northern border as well, along with Vietnam working to siphon factory work away from China to grow their economy.
Vietnam has also recently opened up property to be leased by foreign investment and private ownership, and some tourist areas are seeing massive rows of Marriots and Hilton's under construction.
The government is also working hard to entice families that fled in the 70s to return and start businesses, bring with them Western connections
China seems to have this program of Beat & Rape for the world's less fortunate countries, which at first seems like a good deal, but- ...just a sec. Apparently, the sound guy seems to think I'm talking about Belt & Road.
They had a real estate boom after the 2008 Olympic Games. Their central bank pumped out billions of money for stimulus during the financial crisis, and most of it flew into construction and related industries, which caused a huge real estate bubble that lasted till today and overproduction of building materials. Their solution for that was to export their trash into third world countries. That program is also a debt trap they set up to gain control of strategic locations for their global presence and influence, so I'd say it's more like drug and rape.
Hell even North Korea abandoned Communism.
In 2009 all mentions of communism were silently removed from their constitution and replaced with the Juche (Kim Dynasty Worship) Ideology.
So according to wiki the only communist states left are China, Laos, Vietnam, and Cuba.
Oh the irony of Vietnam joining our Anti-China Coalition. 45 years since the end of the 20 year War, the descendants of the Viet Cong and the American Military are finally teaming up.
Wiki trying to REEE that Venezuela isn't true communism?
Venezuela isn’t communist, they are socialist.
Though the difference is small, it is there nonetheless. You can be socialist and not be communist (heck most of the Soviet Union’s allies in the Cold War weren’t communist, but they were socialist).
That doesn’t make Venezuela a good place however, if Communism is Cancer then Socialism is the Flu.
Never really seen the philosophical differences between Socialism, and Communism. Historically, Communism was supposed to to lead to Socialism. But after the fall of the Berlin, Communism was discredited, so now everybody wants to say their just socialists instead.
Originally, they were considered very different. There's actually several different forms of socialism: communal socialism, democratic socialism, and scientific socialism.
(Communal socialism is things like the Amish or kibbutzes, or even the stupid hippy communes. Basically, a bunch of weirdos that get weird together. These people are frequently capitalists, as that's the only system free enough to allow their voluntary economic association. Communal socialism is less an ideology and more a lifestyle.)
Democratic socialism is like Europe or Venezuela. Basically, it's just the evolution of shitty big government policies to its natural conclusion: idiots voting themselves free stuff was foreseen well before even the first socialist movement. This is why real socialists make sense but just sound fucking dumb.
Scientific socialism is Communism. They saw the natural evolution of democratic socialism and decided that it somehow leads to Communism, because science. Communism is the "final form" here (not socialism, you got it backwards), and it is actually an anarchist utopia where we all ride unicorns and eat ice cream. (This is why anarchists so often show up at Communist meetings, btw.) This happens because once a government is socialist, somehow it will magically just stop existing. There's two versions of this particular ideology, national and international, but you can probably gather the niceties of each just from the terms. (Yes, this is where I put the Nazis--literally right next to Communists ideologically. Marx wrote a lot in German, and it got really... Hitlery.)
TLDR: The easiest philosophical/ideological difference to notice is the Communists believe in the creation of a static heaven on earth, rooted in anarchy, that is created magically from the remains of the biggest and most violent government you can imagine. Your average socialist just wants a bigger government that gives them free healthcare--there is no further step.
It's hard to call China communist anymore. Many would disagree, but there is little communist about them. It's basically fascism at this point.
They are politically communist and at least on paper believe in the principles of Marxist-Leninism.
I don’t recall the time when feudal serfdom genocided millions of its citizens.
...I recall some pretty nasty incidences, including one in Edinburgh where 18,000 Christians froze to death in cages outside while waiting to be burned at the stake, but yeah I see your point. That said, I'll stand behind the word "perceptible" even if the perception is arguably a false one.
Edit: So, 16 hours and 50 minutes after posting this comment and about 15 seconds after I decided that the something demanding a citation doesn't deserve to be notified of my find, I feel forced to give up on the specific claim of the Edinburgh freeze. On the way, I found a reading from Foxe's Book of Martyrs with numbers from the Spanish Inquisition, but I'm not sure of the breakdown or sum (and can't find any online copies that have these totals), as to whether it adds up to 31912 or 42132 executions. There would obviously be a lot of additional non-execution fatalities among the hundreds of thousands of those robbed and imprisoned which could be counted as murders.
Source? I can find https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killing_Time , but that does not indicate even a thousand or more deaths, at least from a superficial reading.
I believe I heard it somewhere in https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF170B126002E7CB0 It could be a while before I have an exact timestamp.
A YouTube video? Do you not have a textual source or link or similar?
If I find it (and I'm not sure if I recalled the right playlist, or even the right channel at this point), it will almost certainly have a citation with it. I am still looking. But hey, you can do yourself a favour and conduct your own search. Wikipedia is extremely unreliable on these topics.
Ask what Ivan the Terrible did to places like Novgorod, Livonia, and so on and then get back to me. It tended to miss the spectacular numbers game or suffocating oppression of modern totalitarian systems, but it could be pretty nasty.
Russia has pretty much ALWAYS had an autocratic government. Whether it be the Monarchist Czars, the Communist Bolsheviks, or the Authoritarian Vladimir Putin.
A little history lesson about Russia.
Russia was officially formed in 1547 when the Grand Prince of Moscow, Ivan IV (Ivan the Terrible) had himself crowned the first Tsar of a unified Russia. In all that time since, Russia has only ever had TWO instances of Limited Government.
The first time was the short lived Russian Republic which existed from the Abdication of Tsar Nicholas II on March 15th, 1917 to the Bolshevik seizure of Power on November 7th, 1917.
The second time was during the Presidency of Boris Yeltsin which lasted from the collapse of the Soviet Union on December 25th, 1991 to the ascension of Vladimir Putin on December 31st, 1999.
What does all this mean? It means don’t expect Russia to become a paragon of Democracy anytime soon. They are so used to autocracy that they simply don’t care about liberty and democracy.
Maybe they couldn't even reach a population of millions of people to kill.
I thought of that too, but China and Russia had those populations to be killed before going communist.
True, but he might mean that the individual fiefdoms where rulers had the sort of authority we associate with modern presidents and PMs were small, and I actually don't know of any that exceed a million people (maybe Rome and Constantinople, but I doubt it.) This makes seven and eight figure massacres very difficult to accomplish. Unless your name is Yersinia Pestis ;) Also remember that the planet's human population was only nine figures at the time.
And it took massive and global destabilizing events for communists to even have a shake at successfully pulling their revolutions off (wwi for russia and wwii for china)
They instituted those events...srs
I’m not sure about that.
Gavrilo Princep (the one who shot Archduke Franz Ferdinand) was a Serbian nationalist, not a communist.
And Adolf Hitler, while a socialist himself, was NOT a communist and he started the war by invading Poland after promising not to.
That isn’t to say that the communists didn’t profit off these conflicts (they very much did so), but they weren’t the ones to START those wars.
Youre talking about the specific people who did the physical acts, Im talking about the people that coordinated or caused them that are much higher up the food chain.
That's like saying Derek Chauvin and Rolfe Garrett are not communists, lol! Think of it this way: A watched pot never boils, right? No, it just seems like it, but if you get a really, really clean pot polished down so that it has just a couple of bits of scale left on the bottom, some semi-predictable spots where nucleate boiling is likely to start, and you crank up the heat. Then you watch all those spots, listen and wait for the first bubble - see, I'm not scale, I didn't make the pot start boiling! (By the way, actually doing this could be dangerous, because if you are highly successful, the water could significantly superheat and then blow up in your face when it starts to boil. Edit: I should add that I mean this literally as well as figuratively.)
What evidence do you have that Princep was a communist.
Last I checked he was fighting for a unified Serbia / Yugoslavia, not a Communist Revolution.
Unless you want to argue that the communists were funding Princep’s terrorist group, but you would be wrong there to as the Black Hand was being funded by the Serbian Government.
I never said he was, I said it was irrelevant. The revolutionaries don't give a shit about the ideology of their useful idiots. At least not until they gain power and their useful idiots might have a problem with where they want to take things. That's when the revolutionaries, now dictators, pull out their long knives.
There are some contemporaneous discussion of the phenomenon around here, namely those threads warning against counter-protests in areas where violence from the far left is likely, e.g. Portland and Seattle.
Marx actually pointed out that socialism is the next state AFTER capitalism, and communism is the ultimate state, which is what heaven would feel like on earth where everyone lives abundantly and only works for self fulfillment, no worries about bills and debts, no oppression or violence. The thing is, you need centrues of capitalism to accumulate wealth to fund socialism. On a micro level, it's like if you're a millionaire you can live on the interest of your wealth alone and never have to work, but you have to earn the millions first to become a millionaire, no? That's why he predicted that socialism will first take place in western europe, and that's probably also why leftists argue that soviet communism is not real communism, those are merely an experiment. In theory, capitalism and socialsm are not two systems in rivalry. Capitalism is the way to get to socialism.
As for Russia and China, unfortunately they were left far behind as you said, and they did think that socialism is a superior system over capitalism, the best way to help them collect all the resources and catch up with the west. But overall, what they went through was just a grand social experiment, which turned out to be an epic failure. They've both transformed into state run capitalism. In China it's called socialism with Chinese features, which in fact is just state monopoly over key industries.
Your grasp of Russian history is hilariously simplistic
Perhaps, but I can't improve it from your comment. If I've made some fundamental error in this supersynchronous orbital view of the historical situation, you should do everyone the service of pointing it out.
I once listened to a 15 hour long lecture on Russian History and even I’m bare bones.
Perhaps “bad” was uncalled for. I’ll do an edit
I think half my Grade 10 Social Studies course was about the 1917 Revolution and about all I remember about it was a few hilarious moments from a movie where Tom Baker (whom I already knew from syndicated Doctor Who broadcasts) starred as Rasputin.
I like how everyone begging for extending lockdowns also happens to be upper middle class or higher, gainfully employed and able to work from home. Yeah, y'all are really on the side of the working poor.
No way "bartenders, service workers, movie theater attendants, and non grocery retail employees" are being squeezed. Unemployment benefits during this year have given huge amounts of money to people in non-essential positions. It has been incredibly difficult to entice employees to come back to their regular jobs after making so much on the dole
Yeah I've got a group of friends (all voting for Trump) but, they don't want to go back to work because they're making more money not working. They are just playing the system, which I get, but it shouldnt be possible to make more money while not working than you did while working
Yup, it's the pajama workers pushing for more lockdown. They don't want to go back to work. This is a dream for them.
I've argued with these dumbasses irl before and I can just picture the blank expression on their face as they try to process this argument, give up, and then list off another one of their predetermined responses.
DRuMpF is racist! No justice no peace! Stolen land! Black lives matter! White silence violence! Uh...Mueller time! That’s pretty much it
The workers are too stupid to know what's in their own best interest or something like that...
This is what people don't understand about communism. The people fighting for it are usually wealthier and living better than they realize, they are not the lower class. If communism were enacted, they would be pushed out of their comfortable 5-bedroom home and it would become a communal living quarters. Meanwhile, a lot of the lower class fights for conservative values and for Trump because they're tired of having their potential jobs being moved to other countries by wealthy democrats. A lot of people who vote Trump are doing much worse than people expect, and in a communist society, they'd be the ones invading your property and not the other way around.
The one thing all of us communists know is that the resources of the country belong to the people collectively. It's unjust for the rich to lock up all of the natural beauty of our coasts with low density mansions. We need to bulldoze all of the homes on the coast of california and build high density housing FOR THE PEOPLE so that we can all live on the coast. It's only fair. /s
Kek
The CIA has infiltrated all major corporations, through blackmail, bribes, bailouts the CIA controls them all and uses them as soft-money to prop up and fund democrat causes.
ANTIFA/BLM are the militant branch of the democrat party.
We need a major RICO action against them all, burn the whole corrupt house to the ground with thousands sent to prison for a very long time.
Correct, plus see Sundance's work, CIA using "contractors" and FBi-NSD illegally conducted domestic corporate espionage using the NSA databases and destroyed companies that way too; or helped/hurt the co-conspirators.
THAT is why the Fortune 500 are so quick to support B:M and the communist insurrection.
Because the Brennan crowd et al that Schumer referred to have ALL the dirt on them and can trigger lots of trouble in SDNY etc.
I keep seeing the theory floated that the CIA, FBI or other US Intel agencies are behind BLM/AntiFa, but I don't understand where it comes from.
There is definite evidence of neo-liberal wealthy people such as Soros pouring money into these causes - do you have evidence that the CIA finances/controls these movements?
Q has proven beyond a shadow of doubt that they are military intelligence and coordinating with Trump.
Q has us tracking resignations of CEOs at corporations, there have been many in the last year.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/why-have-more-1-000-ceos-left-their-post-past-n1076201
Over 1300 CEOs of corporations have resigned, and that article was Nov. of last year.
You can learn more about Q by reading all of Q's drops at https://qmap.pub/
I'll admit I had dismissed Q from a distance before now. I'll dive into it. Thanks friend.
And every corporation that weighs in on it in support adds another layer of stupidity. Like how is it even possible they don't get it whenever fucking McDonalds is supporting it?
2011: Occupy Wall St.
2020: Wall St. is marching,literally on the streets elbow to elbow, with BLM and Antifa.
(Hey guys, aren't the systemic oppressors you keep shouting about supposed to be on the other side?)
Wall St. has done a great job playing both sides. They know long term profits will be theirs regardless who wins. If Trump wins, they will get tax breaks, and if he loses, they will take over the last remaining mom and pop businesses out there.
I do think there is some good intent, the issue is they are all very close minded when it comes to hearing differing opinions and they just shut them out, so when they hear people tell them what's wrong with communism, they start belittling the person instead of listening
This perfectly illustrates the true purpose of communism - deceive the masses in order to gain political power.
I aint no fucking proletariat. Just an American working man.
That's... the same thing?
Using the term validates their ideology, which represents a fundamental misunderstanding of reality.
Wouldn't be the first time the self-proclaimed heroes of the proletariat fought against them and in service of an ideology that seeks to brutalize & enslave all others. Don't even have to search abroad or too far into history to the more famous examples of full-blown Communist revolutions to find bourgeois commies fighting the real proles with hellish hatred: just look at the student wannabe-revolutionaries of the 60s and 70s who battled the literally-blue-collar cops of their day - useful idiots to a man or woman, back when even they were still sane enough not to identify as agender demiqueers.
ACAB
All Communists Are Bourgeois.
Using that filthy communist vocabulary they understand.
I don't think they have an endgame in mind. They just wanna break shit.
Spot on.
If big tech, billionaires and MSM is on your side then you're not a revolutionary your a fucking pawn.
This is like in Pulp Fiction. I thought I was the Shepherd, but actually I'm the tyranny of evil men. ....
Can you guys double check before posting and sticking?
Don't stop believng...
Double check what
Damn now I see it. Can someone fix it? The meme is solid; we need one without grammar errors.
Just sent this to my Marxist friend. He's gonna be triggered. I can't wait, lol.
"Nomenklatura" is a word a lot of these morons need to learn.
Imagine being ideologically aligned with Gatorade, Burger King, Amazon, Target, Keebler, Cisco and considering yourself a revolutionary...
The whole social justice shtick is the educated elite pitting the poor against the middle class, so that they can destroy the middle class. So that in the end there's only the few upper elite and the rest are the poor that serve them.
My brain is tossing an error on the text in this image, but have a vote anyway, lol!
EXACTLY THIS
Remember last year when they were trying to Gaslight you to believe that Antifa stormed the beaches in Normandy.
LOL 🤡 🌎
DUPED.
morons. I feel bad for them.
Designed by Jews for Jews
Antifa (then Anti-Racist Action / One Peoples Project) was getting my profiles deleted on myspace back in 2007. They've been around longer than people realize.
My thoughts exactly, well said, the irony
in Europe antifa is a known much longer. They are really handy for the bourgeoisie that stop any criticism. In the 90''s the mayor would call the antifa if they would please come to counter-protest nationalist so they could prohibit all demonstrations because of possible riots. They were litterally asked to come to give them an excuse. Also top ring leader of antifa many years later revealed himself to be working for the secret service.
HA!
"Bourgeosie" is the wrong word to use here.
It simply means middle-class - shopkeepers and the like. These are the people on our side. I am bourgeois and most pedes are as well.
More accurate might be to say - power elite ? Hollywood/Wall Street/Washington/Silicon Valley nexus ?
I don't know. We need a better word to cover Bezos/Obama/Schumer/Goldman Sachs/Harvey Weinstein...
"If there is hope it lies in the proles" - George Orwell.
Misspelling. Can someone fix it? The meme is solid; we need one without grammar errors.
When every media outlet and megacorporation is supporting you, you are not the counterculture "resistance".
Careful, all that text, it's almost a lefty meme. :P good job though
They really have no idea. Then again, the Communist Manifesto is a somewhat difficult read, you can't expect them to actually read it and understand it.
Never forget it was the “moderate left” who the Bolsheviks overthrew, not the monarchy.
The monarchy was stood down by the “moderate left” which paved the way for the full-blown communists.
Basically, never underestimate the threat of the “moderate left”.
Only in communist countries are there just the rich land owners and the poor. Here we have the Middle Class because we embrace a FREE market where any man or women can start a business and have a decent living.
White guilt is the primary reason. Big tech wants to expand, therefore they need to get rid of national sovreignty. White people need to be knocked down a peg so that their countries can be flooded with foreigners who will grow the market and provide cheap labor. Democrats just want power and are trying to skate on top of the white guilt phenomenon. Not that complex.
The most useful idiots ever.
Also to install socialism you need the police to extort citizens with tax but your protesting against them...