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the_sky_is_falling 34 points ago +34 / -0

Is this because of the Navy or because the local cucked diocese run by some faggoty bishop doesnt want to do the Mass because of the pandemic?

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Reddinatored 33 points ago +33 / -0

Pretty sure it’s Navy. Prioritizing chaplains at bases where Sailors and Marines have no other option. Ie Recruit training, and at sea.

The Church can’t even keep enough priests for their own dioceses; let alone send them to the military for 20 years.

I mean, the laity hopes for more priests, but what young man would truly want to get sucked into the nest of vipers that are the US Bishops. It’s the young priests who have to face the wrath of the Church Militant for the depredations of the Bishops. I have a lot of respect for my friends who are in seminary, and I pray for the day the Church gets its own disruptive leader who will clean out the filth.

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UnwaveringDefiance 14 points ago +14 / -0

It’s definitely dangerous to be a traditionalist priest these days. We’ve seen how some cardinals and bishops are willing to frame an innocent priest for pedophilia because he dared to step out of line and report their financial abuses.

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JKillen 9 points ago +9 / -0

Catholic Pede here.

First time hearing this.

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Choppa_Pilot 9 points ago +9 / -0

Read up on what happened to Cardinal Pell after he ended his term as prefect for the Secretariat for the Economy in 2019. Immediately after that, he started facing charges of child sex abuse.

He tried to increase transparency in the financial reporting of the Holy See and Vatican City during his tenure.

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JKillen 4 points ago +4 / -0

This is damning. I've made a folder specifically for it

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Choppa_Pilot 4 points ago +4 / -0

The Evil One would like nothing more than to see our Holy Mother Church destroyed. He is working to turn it against itself.

The Cardinals and Bishops -- and especially the Holy Father -- need our prayers for their protection and guidance more than ever.

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UnwaveringDefiance 6 points ago +6 / -0

The one specifically I am thinking of is Fr Perrone of Detroit.

In a three-hour evaluation proceeding Friday morning held in Detroit, the three-person panel heard arguments from Klaus and from the attorney for Sgt. Det. Nancy LePage of the Macomb County Sheriff's Department. LePage was sued by Perrone for defamation last year after she falsely told the archdiocese of Detroit that he "sodomized" John Doe, the alleged victim — a claim that led to Perrone's suspension in July 2019. The false allegation also led to national and international headlines tarnishing Perrone's reputation and portraying him as an abuser priest. The panel unanimously found that LePage was guilty of defamation for falsely claiming Perrone raped John Doe, when Doe never made these claims himself. In fact, after reading Church Militant's Nov. 25 report titled "Detroit Archdiocese Engaged in Witness Manipulation," John Doe called up Msgr. Michael Bugarin, episcopal vicar and the cleric spearheading the investigation for the archdiocese, to remind him "that he never said he was sodomized." LePage — who once said she wanted to "beat Fr. Perrone into the ground" — was tapped to help investigate claims against Perrone on behalf of the archdiocese, working closely with Bugarin, who was also her parish priest at St. Joan of Arc Catholic Church in St. Clair Shores.

But if you look, there are many vindicated priests who had been accused of pedophilia and found innocent. It’s a powerful tool created by the actual homosexual predators who corrupt clergy put in to positions of high power.

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JKillen 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thank you for taking the time to fill me in, pede.

Also how do you enable " " tags. And is there a resource for how to make the various font changes here?

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UnwaveringDefiance 3 points ago +3 / -0

Before a sentence, use the greater-than sign “>” and keep everything in a single paragraph.

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CounterRevolutionary 2 points ago +2 / -0

The novus ordo globalist crowd are even trying to smear the blessed Bishop Fulton Sheen by vaguely associating him with the sexual abuse scandal even though they know he was absolutely saint. That is what evil does, attack goodness.

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FluffiPuff 5 points ago +5 / -0

There are those faithful...

https://www.churchmilitant.com/

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UnwaveringDefiance 2 points ago +2 / -0

Michael Voris is one of the biggest reasons for my conversion. Strong, traditional, unapologetic faith.

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tholins 8 points ago +8 / -0

It could be both. The local diocese should have the latitude to offer a priest free of charge for weekly mass on base.

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Red37 6 points ago +6 / -0

The local diocese doesn’t matter; all Catholic chaplains are overseen by a military archdiocese which I believe is headquartered in Washington DC

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UnwaveringDefiance 5 points ago +5 / -0

Article says it’s mostly due to a shortage of military priests so they have been resorting to hiring non military priests. They say it’s a financial decision. Riiiight.

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GoldwaterVoter 15 points ago +15 / -0

No local priests want to volunteer to fill in when not enough Navy Catholic chaplains???

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Bluestorm83 3 points ago +4 / -1

They can, but they're not compelled to. I can imagine that there aren't too many protestant chaplains worth their salt who are willing to perform a ceremony that is a major issue of contention between Catholic doctrine (the bread and wine literally become the body and blood of Christ in fact, they are no longer bread and wine, due to transubstantiation) and Protestant Doctrine (Ranging from that the Bread and Wine are still Bread and Wine but ALSO the body and blood of Christ via Consubstantiation for the Lutherans and others similar, or that the Bread and Wine are just Bread and Wine, but the ceremony is a symbolic remembrance that Christ commanded, for many other Protestant denominations.)

I mean, if you've seriously devoted your life to Christ, you're going to believe one of those three, and the other two aren't just little quibbles, they'd be Heresy.

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Belleoffreedom 2 points ago +2 / -0

You'd be surprised how good and kind most military chaplains are toward servicemen and women of other faiths.

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Bluestorm83 1 point ago +1 / -0

Oh, I'm sure they are. I'm just saying that, like, if I personally believe that the Catholic Mass is a blasphemy, I'm not going to just shrug and perform it for someone else, leaving him possibly hellbound in Heresy. I'm going to act out of kindness and attempt to gently bring him around to my understanding of Christ's words at the Last Supper, to help perfect his faith.

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Smurfection 2 points ago +2 / -0

Nope. They can hold a service of sorts but they can't say Mass.

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Starfish 2 points ago +2 / -0

No. No. No. They cannot.

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Starfish 6 points ago +7 / -1
  1. Eucharistic Minister is the wrong word. They are Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion

  2. Non-Catholics can never be a EMHC

  3. In the Archdiocese of the Military, communion services are forbidden. So not even Catholic EMHCs could do it.

So, no. A Non-Catholic Chaplain can not give Communion.

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Starfish 3 points ago +3 / -0

Volunteering is not allowed. You have to have a military contract.

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GoldwaterVoter 1 point ago +1 / -0

If the only object is lack of $$, they can volunteer to have a contract for zero $$ ??

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Starfish 1 point ago +1 / -0

The priests do like to eat and have a place to live though. They can bid the contract very low, poverty wages even, but the Navy is canceling contracts because they are valuing the work at $0 even though many of the sailors do not value it at $0.

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GoldwaterVoter 1 point ago +1 / -0

So problem is not enough priests volunteering to serve in the Navy -- and paid by the Navy??

I was one of 120 extras playing cardinals in "Angels & Demons" and our technical advisor was Father Dominic, who attended Seton Hall and had been a Navy chaplain and then was a parochial HS principal in Patterson, NJ. And while he was at Seton Hall, he worked at my grandfather's ice cream store in Orange!!

maybe the question is: why are there enough other religious chaplains but not priests in the Navy?

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Phafi11 8 points ago +8 / -0

Someone's gonna make a few dollars in court I imagine.

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everyman 6 points ago +6 / -0

I wasn’t Catholic but I attended the Catholic service in boot camp. Priest would let us watch an episode of the Simpsons. That really took the edge off.

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Smurfection 4 points ago +4 / -0

I'd have real reservations about sending any young man into service with the Navy at this point. It just seems that they are becoming more and more incompetent.

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NoSteppyonmyPepe 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is just hype- it's but as bad as it sounds. they don't have any active duty catholic priests, so they have been having to pay for priests. Base is cutting it's budget, and the other religions, including Christian, have active duty members performing their services-for free. Seems reasonable to me.

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CounterRevolutionary 1 point ago +1 / -0

They were almost certainly doing a novus ordo mass, and not the real traditional Latin Mass of the Catholic church. Sad to say that not doing that sacrilegious abomination is probably a good thing. It turns people away from Truth and true Catholicism.

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Butcher_bear -2 points ago +9 / -11

The Catholic church is preaching works salvation, not the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We are saved by grace, through faith!

"For by grace are ye saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

The Catholic church is literally leading every single member of theirs directly to hell.

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Belleoffreedom 11 points ago +11 / -0

Calvinists have no idea what is in the Bible, or what the Catholic Church teaches..

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Butcher_bear 1 point ago +1 / -0

Calvinists are idiots, I can agree with that.

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Choppa_Pilot 9 points ago +9 / -0

Wrong. The Catholic Church teaches that doing good works are the outward sign of the soul's response to God's redeeming grace. The merits of our good works are not our own, but are a gift from God. The Catholic view is that in the absence of good works, one cannot claim that they have accepted God's grace at all.

Matthew 7:18-20 -- A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits.

The idea that Catholics believe anyone can merit entry to Paradise through good works is a Protestant invention.

Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Part 3, Section 1, Chapter 3, Article 2 for the Catholic Church's doctrine on Grace and Justification.

I'd also recommend reading the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification made by the Catholic Church and the Lutheran World Federation in 1999.

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Butcher_bear 1 point ago +1 / -0

The parable about bringing forth fruit is about winning souls to Christ. Someone who is saved can get other people saved. Someone who is unsaved can not get anyone else saved. A tree brings forth after it's own kind. As a saved Christian, I am a good tree. I can produce no fruits, which is not preaching the Gospel to other people and getting them saved. Or I can produce good fruit and multiply myself as a Christian by getting others saved.

And do Catholics believe you must be baptized to be saved? If so, they are trusting in works. Read the chapter in Acts (I believe its chapter 8) with Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch. Verse 36 the Eunuch asks what is stopping him from being baptized, after Philip preached him the Gospel. Verse 37 (which is literally removed from modern corrupted bible translations) says "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayst. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. So we are to be baptized AFTER salvation, and even then, baptism doesnt save you. It's an outward sign of obedience to Christ, and symbolic of his death, burial, and resurrection.

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Choppa_Pilot 1 point ago +1 / -0

0/10 learn to troll

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Smurfection 8 points ago +8 / -0

Faith without works is dead.

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Butcher_bear 1 point ago +1 / -0

You can have faith without works. But if you have works without faith, you are already dead. God will reward us in heaven for our works, but there is no works that we must do to be saved. All we have to do is "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved."

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Heliogabal 3 points ago +4 / -1

>reformation was 500 years ago

>some protestants are still mad

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Scroon 3 points ago +3 / -0

Laughs in Catholic.

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Butcher_bear 0 points ago +1 / -1

I'm not a protestant. Martin Luther was a drunk whoremonger, and protestantism is just catholic light.

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Scroon 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is an oversimplification and misinterpretation of Catholic belief and practice.

What that Ephesians passage means is that one should not think that salvation is created by your works, i.e. you can't make salvation on your own. Rather it is something granted by God.

However, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't perform good acts.

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Butcher_bear 1 point ago +1 / -0

We should perform good acts. We should be good people. But Salvation is by grace, through faith. If you think you have to be baptized to be saved, or repent of your sins (which isn't even found in the bible) then you are not trusting on the finished work of Christ, you are trusting in works. And the same logic applies to eternal salvation. Once you are saved, you can never lose that salvation, ever. If you have to live a certain way to maintain salvation, it is no longer a gift, because you are working to keep it.

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Scroon 2 points ago +2 / -0

Just curious, how do you characterize "being saved"? Is it through belief, acceptance of Christ, etc? Can there be an erroneous acceptance of Christ? For example believing that Christ is the Savior but still intentionally disobeying his teachings?

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Butcher_bear 0 points ago +1 / -1

Being saved is when you believe in your heart, and confess with your mouth that Jesus is your Savior, that he died for your sins and his shed blood on the cross is the atonement for our sins. You dont have to change your life, go to church, read the bible, or follow Gods commandments in the bible. But Jesus said "if you love me, keep my commandments." And once you are saved, you can not ever lose that salvation, no matter what you do. Salvation is free, it's a gift. If we had to do anything to earn it, or keep it, then it is no more grace or a gift.

The illustration I use when soul winning is this. If I give you a bible as a gift, but then ask you for 5 dollars, is it still a gift? What if I give you a bible and come back a week later and tell you to wash my car? It's no longer a gift if you have to do something to keep it. Obviously we should try and remove as much sin from our life as possible, but it is not necessary for salvation. I personally got saved while I was using heroin. I didn't immediately stop doing a bundle or more of fentanyl every day when I got saved. But even when I was still using opiates, I was saved and knew my name is forever in the Book of Life in heaven.

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Scroon 2 points ago +2 / -0

Cool. Thank you for the response.

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Milller -4 points ago +4 / -8

I mean the Catholic church protects pedo priests and the current pope seems to be more of a activist than anything else.

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CounterRevolutionary 1 point ago +1 / -0

A way higher percentage of school teachers are pedos than Priests. That said, priests who violate children should be burned at the stake.

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PinochetIsMyHero -8 points ago +3 / -11

Sounds like the Catholic Church tried to extort the Navy over fees to provide services.