On Wikipedia look up German revolution of 1918 and look up the family backgrounds of the Communist leaders involved. Then go to Weimar culture on Wikipedia, the intro confirms “Jewish intellectuals and creative professionals were among the prominent figures in many areas of Weimar culture.” and the section of that page on Berlin’s reputation for decadence confirms prostitution of minors, and acceptance of trans and homosexual individuals.
Okay, but that can be explained by the fact that a disproportionate number of Jews were both educated enough to be intellectuals while still outside of traditional positions of power to be concerned about "workers rights." The existing hegemony was content with the current class breakdown. I'm not saying this in defense of socialism, but during that time a lot of people with it because they could see the disparity with how the other half lived. Add the horrible after effects of the Treaty of Versailles and one could understand how it would be easy to scapegoat the Jews.
The leaders were mostly from Academic families and backgrounds. Like every other communist revolution “worker’s plights and rights” is a way to recruit cannon fodder not the actual motivation of the leaders.
Every socialist I have met seems to be indoctrinated into the kind of thinking that they're helping the disenfranchised by gaining more control over government. Most of them are more enamored in their own ideas of utopia, than the lives of individual people or even the sacrifices that they will be forced to take on the road to get there. Its this century, knowing what we know and have proven time and time again, socialism is a cult for psychopaths.
I believe we were talking about 1918 German revolution that created the Wiemar Republic..... (Ukraine famine was later) The first socialist - even Lenin can be afforded some restraint in our condemnation for the fact that there was no historical precedent for what they were trying. That certainly doesn't absolve them of being monsters, but there was a lot of big changes going on during that time in the way governments operated.
You are spot on.conservatives always talk about “ muh nazis and fascist “ every time they meet a despicable enemy or opponent.
Nazis didn’t kill entrepreneurs ;communism did that.fascism was majorly government forcing businesses to adhere to certain ideals and sell certain products.
It's just a generalisation or set of approximations.
I think in his example he's just basically presenting socialism as half way on the path to communism.
None of the examples are perfect but they have a very rough basis in truth.
The Nazi example would be correct in respect to their expansionism. Internally they were their own unique form of socialism which in part vaguely resembles China's partial hybridisation.
The more you go in the direction of socialism the more fascism is required.
Anarchism would be better described as you have two cows, shoot your neighbour and steal his cow.
The whole point of it is the punch line. Now you can breed the cows, now you have an entire herd of cows.
The Soviet Union was a communist state, not a socialist state. Under communism, there is no property ownership or private enterprise. Everybody toils for the state and the state apportions to everybody the same amount of food and provisions regardless of their abilities. There is no rich or poor people.
Under socialism, property ownership and private enterprise are allowed, but the state taxes a huge chunk of workers’ incomes and redistribute the taxes to support non-working people. The state gives cradle to grave care and “free” public education to everybody, but the oppressive tax deters business startup and innovation. The gap between rich and poor people is smaller. Socialism is the lesser evil twin of communism.
Are you a Bernie bro?
What you're reciting is the libtard bullshit that tries to convince people that Scandinavian countries are "socialist" only because they have a safety net.
Under socialism, property ownership and private enterprise are allowed
Absolutely fucking not.
The Soviet Union was a communist state, not a socialist state.
They had the word "socialist" in the name of their union. Ever wondered what USSR stands for?
No I am not a bernie but a MAGA guy all the way. I voted for Trump in 2016 and will in November. I am accurate about communism. Go do your own research. Communism and socialism are not synonymous. There are some differences. One is fully controlled by the state. Everybody works for the state like in the Soviet Union. The other is mostly state controlled but not all. Socialist states takes money from you and give to others whereas communist states provides to everybody the same.
No, unless the democrats get to control the government. Remember taxation is a necessary evil. A capitalist country does require some degree of taxation to support the functions of a state such as defense but the taxation is just enough to support necessary functions.
If the government doubles your taxes to support those who don’t have skin in the system like welfare recipients and the illegals, then it would reek of socialism. Why do you think they call welfare a social program? Those who advocate for a welfare state are socialists.
America has not gotten to the point that it could be called a welfare state, but it will if the democrats control the government.
wouldn't taxes funding the police/military be socialism? It's necessary to a certain degree. I don't want my tax dollars funding safe injection rooms for drug addicts and shit though..
I don't know a whole lot about this stuff though and welcome correction.
That’s so cute... you’re one of those idiots who thinks the name of something determines what it is. You must be a real sucker for democrat named programs.
China is a communist state but it does not have the word “socialist” in its name, don’t forget. The Soviet Union was a communist country, not a socialist state.
What the dems are trying to do is socialism. They want to tax you and me to give to those who don’t work or the illegals. If they propose to take away your properties, then that would be communism. I am not defending the left because I don’t like their socialism BS, but I am trying to be accurate. That’s all.
I am not so sure. Nazi Germany and Italy during WWII were fascist states. A fascist state demands total control of the people’s lives, but it probably allows private ownership like under Nazi Germany.
Yeah it's clearly a joke. I'm not an anarchist but I know enough to know that anarchist movements don't actually preach anarchy as we think of it. (in fact anarcho-syndicalists are just communists)
Fascism is actually described pretty well there. Fascism is simply socialism with capitalist veneer. I think the more accurate version of this is:
You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to care for them, and sells you the milk.
Nazism is fascism. Go watch Schindler's List. Schindler has to woo party officials to get government approval to open his factory. Part of securing that permission is to show that his factory will benefit the state (first by doing something with the excess Jewish 'labor force' and later switching production from consumer goods to munitions). Once he's gotten permission from the state, he's able to engage in some limited capitalism. This opportunity is only available to certain people (party members, those the states approves of, etc). This is a major feature that differentiates it from true Capitalism.
Everyone should read Il Doctrina Del Facismo. Fascism has come to the US and it's bearing the name of Democratic Socialism and Crony Capitalism (government subsidies and bailouts/the government picking winners and losers).
Autism: you have every breed of cow, organized by milk production, meat quality, temperance, average productive age, smell, hide pattern, and size. You make dank memes and defeat communism with your brain alone.
The point is all of these systems, except for capitalism, are just slight variations of the same thing: the citizen’s possessions belong to the state because the citizen belongs to the state.
You have two cows. The government takes both cows.
They also take your house, your kids, everything of worth is given to "poor people" and you die alone of starvation on the streets or in a gulag if you disagree.
Russian company: You have two cows. You drink some vodka and count them again. You have five cows. The Russian Mafia shows up and takes however many cows you have.
Green New Dealism aka A Zero See?-ism: You have two cows. You are responsible for global warming because your cows fart too much. The cows are corked by The Government. The cows explode. You are now prosecuted by The Government for animal abuse.
Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes one whole cow and 1/2 of the second cow, leaving you with something that is completely useless after you eat what little meat is left and no means of producing any more.
That's complete bullshit, clearly written by an ignorant who thought he was funny.
Socialism is what is described under communism, fascism doesn't take your shit, and Nazism certainly doesn't kill entrepreneurs or farmers.
If they are jewish entrepreneurs or farmers the Nazis may kill them
Interesting. Do you have any reliable(or at least readable) evidence of that?
On Wikipedia look up German revolution of 1918 and look up the family backgrounds of the Communist leaders involved. Then go to Weimar culture on Wikipedia, the intro confirms “Jewish intellectuals and creative professionals were among the prominent figures in many areas of Weimar culture.” and the section of that page on Berlin’s reputation for decadence confirms prostitution of minors, and acceptance of trans and homosexual individuals.
Okay, but that can be explained by the fact that a disproportionate number of Jews were both educated enough to be intellectuals while still outside of traditional positions of power to be concerned about "workers rights." The existing hegemony was content with the current class breakdown. I'm not saying this in defense of socialism, but during that time a lot of people with it because they could see the disparity with how the other half lived. Add the horrible after effects of the Treaty of Versailles and one could understand how it would be easy to scapegoat the Jews.
The leaders were mostly from Academic families and backgrounds. Like every other communist revolution “worker’s plights and rights” is a way to recruit cannon fodder not the actual motivation of the leaders.
Every socialist I have met seems to be indoctrinated into the kind of thinking that they're helping the disenfranchised by gaining more control over government. Most of them are more enamored in their own ideas of utopia, than the lives of individual people or even the sacrifices that they will be forced to take on the road to get there. Its this century, knowing what we know and have proven time and time again, socialism is a cult for psychopaths.
Child brothels still exist in Germany to this day. They need a Q army over there too.
I believe we were talking about 1918 German revolution that created the Wiemar Republic..... (Ukraine famine was later) The first socialist - even Lenin can be afforded some restraint in our condemnation for the fact that there was no historical precedent for what they were trying. That certainly doesn't absolve them of being monsters, but there was a lot of big changes going on during that time in the way governments operated.
And for absolutely no reason whatsoever....
gtfo. the nazi's gassed children you stupid, sick, ignorant fuck
Sure, I can see that, but, in general, the analogy is wrong as hell
Communism is waaaaay worse than nazism...
Which is already fucking horrible xD
You are spot on.conservatives always talk about “ muh nazis and fascist “ every time they meet a despicable enemy or opponent. Nazis didn’t kill entrepreneurs ;communism did that.fascism was majorly government forcing businesses to adhere to certain ideals and sell certain products.
There may be historic examples they have in mind of how that plays out as opposed to the exact definition.
I wasn't thinking of the definitions, I was thinking of what actually happened in history.
I got quite bitter because they try to make socialism sounds nice. That's a lie.
Stalin's Soviet Union is socialism. The government taking all your shit and then feeding you (or not) is socialism.
It's just a generalisation or set of approximations.
I think in his example he's just basically presenting socialism as half way on the path to communism.
None of the examples are perfect but they have a very rough basis in truth.
The Nazi example would be correct in respect to their expansionism. Internally they were their own unique form of socialism which in part vaguely resembles China's partial hybridisation.
The more you go in the direction of socialism the more fascism is required.
Anarchism would be better described as you have two cows, shoot your neighbour and steal his cow.
The whole point of it is the punch line. Now you can breed the cows, now you have an entire herd of cows.
Yeah, the only one of those ism's that gets you ahead is the last one, capitalism. The rest are all objectively bad.
The Soviet Union was a communist state, not a socialist state. Under communism, there is no property ownership or private enterprise. Everybody toils for the state and the state apportions to everybody the same amount of food and provisions regardless of their abilities. There is no rich or poor people.
Under socialism, property ownership and private enterprise are allowed, but the state taxes a huge chunk of workers’ incomes and redistribute the taxes to support non-working people. The state gives cradle to grave care and “free” public education to everybody, but the oppressive tax deters business startup and innovation. The gap between rich and poor people is smaller. Socialism is the lesser evil twin of communism.
Are you a Bernie bro? What you're reciting is the libtard bullshit that tries to convince people that Scandinavian countries are "socialist" only because they have a safety net.
Absolutely fucking not.
They had the word "socialist" in the name of their union. Ever wondered what USSR stands for?
No I am not a bernie but a MAGA guy all the way. I voted for Trump in 2016 and will in November. I am accurate about communism. Go do your own research. Communism and socialism are not synonymous. There are some differences. One is fully controlled by the state. Everybody works for the state like in the Soviet Union. The other is mostly state controlled but not all. Socialist states takes money from you and give to others whereas communist states provides to everybody the same.
Therefore America is a socialist country now, according to your definitions.
No, unless the democrats get to control the government. Remember taxation is a necessary evil. A capitalist country does require some degree of taxation to support the functions of a state such as defense but the taxation is just enough to support necessary functions.
If the government doubles your taxes to support those who don’t have skin in the system like welfare recipients and the illegals, then it would reek of socialism. Why do you think they call welfare a social program? Those who advocate for a welfare state are socialists.
America has not gotten to the point that it could be called a welfare state, but it will if the democrats control the government.
wouldn't taxes funding the police/military be socialism? It's necessary to a certain degree. I don't want my tax dollars funding safe injection rooms for drug addicts and shit though..
I don't know a whole lot about this stuff though and welcome correction.
That’s so cute... you’re one of those idiots who thinks the name of something determines what it is. You must be a real sucker for democrat named programs.
I'm using the definitions of fucking Karl Marx, the guy who invented this shit.
You believe the Democrats' definition, you mongoloid homosexual.
China is a communist state but it does not have the word “socialist” in its name, don’t forget. The Soviet Union was a communist country, not a socialist state.
What the dems are trying to do is socialism. They want to tax you and me to give to those who don’t work or the illegals. If they propose to take away your properties, then that would be communism. I am not defending the left because I don’t like their socialism BS, but I am trying to be accurate. That’s all.
Your socialism definition sounds like fascism, where you keep the cows and give the milk (taxes) to the government.
I am not so sure. Nazi Germany and Italy during WWII were fascist states. A fascist state demands total control of the people’s lives, but it probably allows private ownership like under Nazi Germany.
If you have two cows, a communist state will take both your cows and equally divide the cows among the people.
A socialist state will take one of your cows and give it to those who don’t have cows.
A fascist state tells you how to raise your cows and take the milk to support the state.
Yeah it's clearly a joke. I'm not an anarchist but I know enough to know that anarchist movements don't actually preach anarchy as we think of it. (in fact anarcho-syndicalists are just communists)
It's a joke but the reason I got bitter is that it makes socialism sounds nice.
Yeah, the "give one to your neighbor" makes it sound like it was your choice.
Bumped
Fascism is actually described pretty well there. Fascism is simply socialism with capitalist veneer. I think the more accurate version of this is:
You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to care for them, and sells you the milk.
Nazism is fascism. Go watch Schindler's List. Schindler has to woo party officials to get government approval to open his factory. Part of securing that permission is to show that his factory will benefit the state (first by doing something with the excess Jewish 'labor force' and later switching production from consumer goods to munitions). Once he's gotten permission from the state, he's able to engage in some limited capitalism. This opportunity is only available to certain people (party members, those the states approves of, etc). This is a major feature that differentiates it from true Capitalism.
Everyone should read Il Doctrina Del Facismo. Fascism has come to the US and it's bearing the name of Democratic Socialism and Crony Capitalism (government subsidies and bailouts/the government picking winners and losers).
Remember that socialism's 'give one to your neighbor' is not voluntary. That is demanded at gunpoint.
You will also be socially shamed for attempting to resist.
Autism: you have every breed of cow, organized by milk production, meat quality, temperance, average productive age, smell, hide pattern, and size. You make dank memes and defeat communism with your brain alone.
Of course it’s a joke and an oversimplification.
The point is all of these systems, except for capitalism, are just slight variations of the same thing: the citizen’s possessions belong to the state because the citizen belongs to the state.
Islamism: you have two goats ...
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Nice how you wrote the date on there. I never thought to do that.
Communism
You have two cows. The government takes both cows.
They also take your house, your kids, everything of worth is given to "poor people" and you die alone of starvation on the streets or in a gulag if you disagree.
There, fixed it for ya
Simple, educational, and should be an a wall IN EVERY CLASSROOM IN AMERICA! 🇺🇸
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_have_two_cows
Russian company: You have two cows. You drink some vodka and count them again. You have five cows. The Russian Mafia shows up and takes however many cows you have.
New Dealism: You have two cows. The government takes both, shoots one, buys milk from the other cow, then pours the milk down the drain.
Green New Dealism aka A Zero See?-ism: You have two cows. You are responsible for global warming because your cows fart too much. The cows are corked by The Government. The cows explode. You are now prosecuted by The Government for animal abuse.
....youd make more cows, milk, and money by trading for a stud session or two, and have two mama cows to start your bovine empire.
Correction...
Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes one whole cow and 1/2 of the second cow, leaving you with something that is completely useless after you eat what little meat is left and no means of producing any more.