Can't cut down foliage near power lines, so it limits how much power can be sent and prevents upgrades. Can only work on the lines when a forest fire takes out the foliage naturally. Clown World type shit.
Add to that some nice price controls to restrict the money available to reinvest.
In the '90s, you could not clear any brush on your own private property because of the Kangaroo mouse. Over decades, tumbleweeds stacked up along fence lines -- in particular, Malabu.
One hot summer, fires, pushed by the Santa Ana winds, swept through all the high-dollar estates -- burning down nearly all the homes...along with the Kangaroo mouse. There was so much undergrowth the mice didn't stand a chance.
Oh, the homes and people didn't fair any better.
California has been in a steady state of stupid for many, many decades.
The POS here say “we lead America” I want to slit my wrist every time I hear that nonsense...these psycho paths here in La think Kamala is great...I’m loosing my shit over here
you legally cannot remove the underbrush because it is the habitat of some mouse. The brush builds as tinder and a fire rages through burning all the brush and the mouse.
before San Onofre nuke station was shut down, I performed a feasibility study for a new wildlife code from the CA Ocean Protection Council which was to prevent fish from being sucked into the cooling intake. The idea was to use cooling towers instead, to the tune of several hundred million dollars. For the other CA nuke plant Diablo Canyon, it would be nearly double as there is no flat land for such an installation. All for some fish.
It gets worse, then you sue the power company for not shutting power off and starting a fire.... and if the power company does shut power off, you sue them for shutting power off and not being able to get your life saving medical devices to work because they shut the power off.
I guess if you have enough fires you won't need to be afraid of the Sierra Club anymore. Won't need to trim the trees and brush because it's all be burned up in catastrophic fires. Good thing we avoided making a decision or having a conflict. phew.
It’s a good thing the US is a federation so California can experiment with their ridiculous energy policy themselves without having to bully the whole country into them. And let’s thank the Founding Fathers for the Electoral College!
Wasn't invasion. Planted in purpose by railroad company for cheap fast-growing wood. Didn't realize it is split so easily and was worthless for tracks.
part of the reason. the main issue is how they explode during already started fires, basically they help the fire progress much faster. but again its part of the reason.
Yeah so either you do preventative burning like the aboriginals have done for years where they lived. Or you wait till nature takes care of it in one big home destroying, life taking Forest Fire every few decades.
Every utility has price controls. That financial problems of the utilities is because of all the lawsuits from forest fires, and the expensive regulatory requirements
The seeds have fuck all to do with it. They drop their seeds AFTER a fire sweeps through, the seeds don't cause fires. They're oily trees, their leaves are highly combustible, and they're trash trees that drop a lot of bark and branches, so the ground around them is littered with dried tinder - and weeds and undergrowth, because they allow more light through them, unlike oak, or firs, which are indigenous to the region.
The Berkeley/Oakland fires are the best example of how dangerous eucalyptus are, they literally explode when on fire, and the trash they drop spreads it further. The crowns of the trees explode, and it has nothing to do with the seeds.
When my parents lived in CA, I spent many hours ripping them out of our property, it took about one season of cleaning up after them for my dad to get rid of them, and replant other trees. I fucking hate eucalyptus trees, they're trash trees. My hands would smell like eucalyptus for days after clearing them, you get covered in sticky oil - and you can't burn the wood, because it's so oily. We just stacked it in a corner of the lot and would take a truckload to the dump once in a while.
One of my friends who works at Edison was saying how they don't want the transformers exploding because the constant load wasn't giving the infrastructure a break, I told him if Arizona can handle it, then it clearly can be designed to handle the load.
He is quite MAGA too, but I guess working for a power company gives one certain biases.
Texas had a roughly month long triple-digit heatwave in August. That's pretty much the norm every year (sometimes we have multi-month triple-digit heatwaves), and we never have issues with overload.
California gets those temperatures for months too, used to handle it too.
Though to be fair, this past weekend most inland places in Southern California were over 115. My place was 118, and normally we might get a day or two over 110, but usually in the high 90's and low 100's.
I love this state. We have our own power grid, water and ability to grow food. In fact, we don't need any part of the US if shit ever fell apart. It's an independent country in and unto itself. If we took a couple weeks to clean up Austin, this state could survive anything.
As an electrical engineer myself I think what he's referring to is that electrical grids cant carry as much current in hot weather because the air cannot cool the lines and equipment like it can in colder weather. This isn't a problem in a properly invested in electrical grid as it would be designed for the worst case scenario with plenty of spare capacity on the lines and transformers. What is sounds like California is doing is pushing their grid to the limit so that it is failing on hot days because it can't carry all of the current needed without overheating. When lines overheat they also droop down which is how fires are started if brush isnt being maintained. Proper maintenance of power lines means cutting brush and the environmentalist wackos in California don't like that. Instead they then have to resort to shedding load, aka shutting off peoples power. If they didn't do that there would be lines drooping into trees or cascading blackouts like the northeast one in 2003.
Proper investment and maintenance would prevent all of this. Electrical grids have worked fine in hot temperatures for decades. Texas has a well maintained modern grid, at least in the areas I've worked in.
and tbh all this always boils down to information. most people would vote differently if they had this information, but instead they're blasted 24/7 with white ppl must die, nature good don't touch it, and other similar shit
I looked at the outage map and they cut power to the rural areas (which I've lived).
The landscape of Arizona and the parts of California that have been cut is drastically different. Arizona is arid and dry with little foliage. California the lines are around tons of dry foliage ready to light up and can spread much easier.
Also, the way power lines are distributed in neighborhoods in the rural California areas from the main lines - I believe it becomes a weird issue of "is this the property owners responsibility or PG&E's". For example, it cost 10k per pole I recall to get power from the main lines to a ranch house.
You know, during the Brazilian military regime the guys at government wanted to experiment a proof of concept for DC transmission. So they built both 750 kV AC and a 500 kV DC lines from Itaipu (at the time and for many years largest hydro) to São Paulo region (the load center). The DC has a return by the earth (SWER) and still in operation.
Of course there is a catch. In Brazil there is only one national system operator who manages all of the country's power lines, and not competing state transmission companies. So it's guaranteed that those lines will be loaded 100% of the time, specially because Itaipu technically does not have a reservoir, it outputs as much as it collects from rain.
For the many legit reasons we can raise criticism over our military regime over here and the overall "central planning" ethos that came with it, at the very least the military had a technocratic "no bullshit" approach and didn't had to appease deranged treehuggers.
For distribution networks, yes. For transmission lines, I don't think so. Most reasonable thing is to clear a good path in the way of the overhead line or draw them longer but around big elevations and fires.
About 10 times more and in Cali climate you'd need to have refrigerated ducts since wind won't cool it when charged (and it will need isolation to not, you know, dissipate...).
Underground and underwater transmission lines are a thing but they have several problems. The cost is around 10x as high, so they're only really used in and around cities. They couple to the ground capacitatively if they're not HVDC, which means that if they are long enough, power will go into charging up the capacitor of the cable + ground surrounding the cable, and it will never reach the user; it can't be as long as overhead cables.
California NIMBYs have to be the worst of any in the country. I live in a city with zero zoning laws, and you know what? Sometimes you end up with a high rise in your backyard, but overall it lets the city organically optimize locations for important things. Like roads and power stations.
Was not an issue before they shut reliable plants in favor of the solar/wind fantasy.
Solar/wind fantasy requires power to be transported big distances, instead of produced by local plants. Hence, the infrastructure cannot handle it. That is still the fault of the solar/wind fiasco.
It's like requiring all goods enter the US through Florida, and then saying the interstate highways cannot handle the truck traffic. Is the problem really the roads, or the fact you restricted all cargo to coming in through Florida?
Solar/wind fantasy requires power to be transported big distances, instead of produced by local plants.
Exactly, that is the worst part, the corruption of the idea. Solar and wind were thought of as DECENTRALIZED means of generation (on the monicker of "distributed generation") which would REDUCE THE NEED FOR LONG-DISTANCE TRANSMISSION and not increase it (people would generate at their homes where they consume it). They stupidly took solar and wind for what it was not meant to be and made it a business-large, industrialized and concentrated thing. Well guess what if you want to go big then location starts to matter and transmission gets worse.
California has been doing mail in voting and election fraud for a very long time. There’s no way of knowing for sure that California is truly a blue state. I hate when people say this is what we deserve.
I’m in SoCal and there are some conservatives here, I’m including blue city too. We had some of the first gyms opening underground and militias organizing here before the rest of America.
It's NEVER been about environmentalism. It's about teaching the little people to live without necessities, and teaching them to be dependent on the DNC for their daily bread
I’ve visited Morro Bay hundreds of times. I had a server once say that when that plant is running, he could feel his lungs hurting. It’s a natural gas fired plant. The same fuel used in the kitchen of the restaurant to cook food he gathers and delivers to customers.
There is a power station at Huntington Beach that they closed down a few years ago too....'dirty coal power' as well as the nuclear plant in San Onofre.
They don't like coal or nuclear....but they buy power on the spot market from....drumroll....coal and nuclear generated power.
Living in AZ...people who are APS customers are getting rate hike...because Arizona power is being diverted to be sold to satisfy california power...leaving less power available for ppl here in AZ....
So getting screwed twice, because AZ power users pay for Palo Verde plant...but then APS sells some of it to CA for high profit...and then raises bill for AZ residents due to less power avail for aZ residents. Self perpetuating power shortage for the sake of profits. :/
Ah..ok..I'm a little behind...I left CA in 2013, so I'm not too up to date anymore.
At least they're running and making power...kudos. Obviously, they need more than a year though.
CCP wants you to move out so they can buy your property. Once they have enough property they'll power it all back up. If you know finance, the CCP can't get their printed money out of China. The best way they can is to buy realestate that Obama/Biden Clintons made legal. They are buying all the big cities and CA.
Things making a little more sense now?
Bums shitting in streets? That'll be gone once the CCP Stasi police take over. It's there for now to get you to move out. It's all planned. They own the mayors, governors, judges, schools... wake up
Environmentalism is misanthropic. They will continue to do this and if people die then it’s worth sAviNG tHe pLaNeT!!! The final solution to environmentalism is less people. Not them though just you and your family.
Guarantee you the Hollywood celebs neighborhoods aren't having their power cut. Rules for thee, not for me. Someone should go film the fact that the Hollywood pedos aren't having their power cut.
Diesel genset(s) with large fuel tank onsite- all hidden from view and earshot. Even better if you can hook into natural gas as well. You could pull that off for chump change once you have billions. Power for me, not for thee.
Captain Obvious says: "In California there is mainly "only the left" and they long ago lost rational objectivity in governance that often comes from multiple perspectives on issues (...think rational conservative viewpoints)."
No power no information. They'll have total shutdown for the October surpruse. You guys need to burn your capital Nd bury Newsome and pelosi while you are at it.
CA would rather use solar and let their citizens and businesses sit in the dark and loose income, perishable products, etc. then allow their nuclear or fossil fuel power plants to operate.
Sad thing is it isn’t only a supply side issue but they let the infrastructure collapse while pumping money into social issues and environmental issues and restrictions. This coupled with open borders policies and uncontrolled immigration caused population growth as a result, which in turn causes most of the energy and housing crisis we see today.
its no secret that an attacked on the power grid would put the US into a tail spin. You cant increase population and not increase the power grid accordingly.
They also passed laws where the power companies would be responsible if their power lines set a wildfire (which is why they are currently in a blackout; because of wildfire concerns) which actually wouldn't even matter if they didn't pass laws preventing controlled burning of wildlands to burn off any dead/decaying combustibles (ie dead trees and leaves).
I don't know much about what the problem is in this particular situation, but it may not be a generation capacity issue but a power grid issue or both. If grid capacity is the problem, the power plant you choose to use can alleviate or worsen that somewhat by balancing load evenly or unevenly on different parts of the system, but it can't fix the whole problem.
Wind power and solar power are even worse deals than they appear, as they are often situated where the loads aren't and are dependent on storage that doesn't exist; requiring instead an intricate dance of gas turbines, spinning reserve, hydro etc. carefully balancing the system and providing "storage" by deferring consumption. To transport that diffuse power you end up building power lines that will only be used 20-30% of the time in great big webs.
The thing people don't get about CA is we produce more power than we can use but there's always a reason or excuse we have to pay $$$$$ for what we DO use. And DON'T use.
I mean they probably just don't give a fuck. You have to care about a problem before you can fix it. Be it pure power generation or the means to carry it to homes and businesses.
Does the Mayor of LA care that some idiot has to sit in a dark house and light a candle to get around?
They aren't "Elites" when the whole monetary system is a fraud. All they are is scamming two-faces pieces of shit lying and deceiving good people out of their freedom and prosperity.
they say it's the capacity of the power distribution network, not the capacity of the power stations
Yes, the outdated third world grid is the major issue.
Can't cut down foliage near power lines, so it limits how much power can be sent and prevents upgrades. Can only work on the lines when a forest fire takes out the foliage naturally. Clown World type shit.
Add to that some nice price controls to restrict the money available to reinvest.
The consequences of Dem Rule.
Wait they can only work on the lines if a forest fire clears the trees?
Oh look, the whole state is on fire!
In the '90s, you could not clear any brush on your own private property because of the Kangaroo mouse. Over decades, tumbleweeds stacked up along fence lines -- in particular, Malabu.
One hot summer, fires, pushed by the Santa Ana winds, swept through all the high-dollar estates -- burning down nearly all the homes...along with the Kangaroo mouse. There was so much undergrowth the mice didn't stand a chance.
Oh, the homes and people didn't fair any better.
California has been in a steady state of stupid for many, many decades.
Rake the leaves, morons.
Guy was arrested on Federal charges for doing just that.
But what about the poor mouse?
It’s not about whatever animal they’re claiming to protect. It’s always about control.
burnt kangaroo mouse
He was delicious!
If it was Mickey Mouse, fuck'im.
The POS here say “we lead America” I want to slit my wrist every time I hear that nonsense...these psycho paths here in La think Kamala is great...I’m loosing my shit over here
you legally cannot remove the underbrush because it is the habitat of some mouse. The brush builds as tinder and a fire rages through burning all the brush and the mouse.
how odd.
I'm sure some tax-payer funded, multi-million dollar govt study came to the conclusion this was best for the mouse.
before San Onofre nuke station was shut down, I performed a feasibility study for a new wildlife code from the CA Ocean Protection Council which was to prevent fish from being sucked into the cooling intake. The idea was to use cooling towers instead, to the tune of several hundred million dollars. For the other CA nuke plant Diablo Canyon, it would be nearly double as there is no flat land for such an installation. All for some fish.
They did it on purpose to cause a fire like that because they’re an actual death cult.
It gets worse, then you sue the power company for not shutting power off and starting a fire.... and if the power company does shut power off, you sue them for shutting power off and not being able to get your life saving medical devices to work because they shut the power off.
I guess if you have enough fires you won't need to be afraid of the Sierra Club anymore. Won't need to trim the trees and brush because it's all be burned up in catastrophic fires. Good thing we avoided making a decision or having a conflict. phew.
It’s a good thing the US is a federation so California can experiment with their ridiculous energy policy themselves without having to bully the whole country into them. And let’s thank the Founding Fathers for the Electoral College!
Agree.
Eucalyptus is the reason for the fires. It's invasive from Australia. The wood is flammable because the fire activates the seeds.
Cali power is liable for fire. They shouldn't be.
Wasn't invasion. Planted in purpose by railroad company for cheap fast-growing wood. Didn't realize it is split so easily and was worthless for tracks.
Huh, now that you mention it. Wherever there are tracks in CA there are eucalyptus trees.
If you drive through Montana de Oro, you can see the eucalyptus are planted in rows.
I’ll go there tomorrow! I’ll bring the kids too.
part of the reason. the main issue is how they explode during already started fires, basically they help the fire progress much faster. but again its part of the reason.
Yeah so either you do preventative burning like the aboriginals have done for years where they lived. Or you wait till nature takes care of it in one big home destroying, life taking Forest Fire every few decades.
Every utility has price controls. That financial problems of the utilities is because of all the lawsuits from forest fires, and the expensive regulatory requirements
Eucalyptus trees are flammable even when they are alive. They naturally burn because the fire activates their seeds.
They are invasive from Australia. California needs to eradicate them before they get federal funding for anything else.
The seeds have fuck all to do with it. They drop their seeds AFTER a fire sweeps through, the seeds don't cause fires. They're oily trees, their leaves are highly combustible, and they're trash trees that drop a lot of bark and branches, so the ground around them is littered with dried tinder - and weeds and undergrowth, because they allow more light through them, unlike oak, or firs, which are indigenous to the region.
The Berkeley/Oakland fires are the best example of how dangerous eucalyptus are, they literally explode when on fire, and the trash they drop spreads it further. The crowns of the trees explode, and it has nothing to do with the seeds.
When my parents lived in CA, I spent many hours ripping them out of our property, it took about one season of cleaning up after them for my dad to get rid of them, and replant other trees. I fucking hate eucalyptus trees, they're trash trees. My hands would smell like eucalyptus for days after clearing them, you get covered in sticky oil - and you can't burn the wood, because it's so oily. We just stacked it in a corner of the lot and would take a truckload to the dump once in a while.
Which is why the tree has evolved to be so flammable.
The best examples of eucalyptus fires are in Australia. Every single year. They're a nightmare.
Those cheekie bastards.
Don’t forget the the hopeless state of California forests due to bark beetle infestation. Small fire and it all goes up like a tinderbox.
we have a thrid world infrastructure because enviroscum paid by china is preventing anything from being built
cant put a shovel in the ground without studying the local bug population for 20 years
What exactly happened to "Power to the People"?
Come mes in the form of lamp oil now
Whale Oil for the fUtUre! Oh wait...
Whale oil is a renewable biofuel (funnily enough, renewables are the only thing we've ever run out of, whales, forests etc)
liposuction. That's why we have fast food..
Whuh?...
Democrat Leadership: But that would be expensive to fix, its much easier to just put the blame on something that can be “fixed” cheaply.
One of my friends who works at Edison was saying how they don't want the transformers exploding because the constant load wasn't giving the infrastructure a break, I told him if Arizona can handle it, then it clearly can be designed to handle the load.
He is quite MAGA too, but I guess working for a power company gives one certain biases.
Texas had a roughly month long triple-digit heatwave in August. That's pretty much the norm every year (sometimes we have multi-month triple-digit heatwaves), and we never have issues with overload.
California gets those temperatures for months too, used to handle it too.
Though to be fair, this past weekend most inland places in Southern California were over 115. My place was 118, and normally we might get a day or two over 110, but usually in the high 90's and low 100's.
And Texas uses 44% more power than CA, mostly due to industrial customers including petrochemicals and refineries. It's good to have your own grid!
I love this state. We have our own power grid, water and ability to grow food. In fact, we don't need any part of the US if shit ever fell apart. It's an independent country in and unto itself. If we took a couple weeks to clean up Austin, this state could survive anything.
As an electrical engineer myself I think what he's referring to is that electrical grids cant carry as much current in hot weather because the air cannot cool the lines and equipment like it can in colder weather. This isn't a problem in a properly invested in electrical grid as it would be designed for the worst case scenario with plenty of spare capacity on the lines and transformers. What is sounds like California is doing is pushing their grid to the limit so that it is failing on hot days because it can't carry all of the current needed without overheating. When lines overheat they also droop down which is how fires are started if brush isnt being maintained. Proper maintenance of power lines means cutting brush and the environmentalist wackos in California don't like that. Instead they then have to resort to shedding load, aka shutting off peoples power. If they didn't do that there would be lines drooping into trees or cascading blackouts like the northeast one in 2003.
Proper investment and maintenance would prevent all of this. Electrical grids have worked fine in hot temperatures for decades. Texas has a well maintained modern grid, at least in the areas I've worked in.
and tbh all this always boils down to information. most people would vote differently if they had this information, but instead they're blasted 24/7 with white ppl must die, nature good don't touch it, and other similar shit
You distilled it down almost perfectly.
I looked at the outage map and they cut power to the rural areas (which I've lived).
The landscape of Arizona and the parts of California that have been cut is drastically different. Arizona is arid and dry with little foliage. California the lines are around tons of dry foliage ready to light up and can spread much easier.
Also, the way power lines are distributed in neighborhoods in the rural California areas from the main lines - I believe it becomes a weird issue of "is this the property owners responsibility or PG&E's". For example, it cost 10k per pole I recall to get power from the main lines to a ranch house.
You know, during the Brazilian military regime the guys at government wanted to experiment a proof of concept for DC transmission. So they built both 750 kV AC and a 500 kV DC lines from Itaipu (at the time and for many years largest hydro) to São Paulo region (the load center). The DC has a return by the earth (SWER) and still in operation.
Of course there is a catch. In Brazil there is only one national system operator who manages all of the country's power lines, and not competing state transmission companies. So it's guaranteed that those lines will be loaded 100% of the time, specially because Itaipu technically does not have a reservoir, it outputs as much as it collects from rain.
For the many legit reasons we can raise criticism over our military regime over here and the overall "central planning" ethos that came with it, at the very least the military had a technocratic "no bullshit" approach and didn't had to appease deranged treehuggers.
Yeah, it costs a lot more to bury them, but, as you said, it's money well spent.
For distribution networks, yes. For transmission lines, I don't think so. Most reasonable thing is to clear a good path in the way of the overhead line or draw them longer but around big elevations and fires.
About 10 times more and in Cali climate you'd need to have refrigerated ducts since wind won't cool it when charged (and it will need isolation to not, you know, dissipate...).
The maintenance is a nightmare. When overhead lines fail it is no big deal, underground construction is a slow and painful process.
/industrial electrician
Underground and underwater transmission lines are a thing but they have several problems. The cost is around 10x as high, so they're only really used in and around cities. They couple to the ground capacitatively if they're not HVDC, which means that if they are long enough, power will go into charging up the capacitor of the cable + ground surrounding the cable, and it will never reach the user; it can't be as long as overhead cables.
California NIMBYs have to be the worst of any in the country. I live in a city with zero zoning laws, and you know what? Sometimes you end up with a high rise in your backyard, but overall it lets the city organically optimize locations for important things. Like roads and power stations.
PURPOSELY CREATED PROBLEM.
Marxism is good at doing this for critical lines of supply.
Was not an issue before they shut reliable plants in favor of the solar/wind fantasy.
Solar/wind fantasy requires power to be transported big distances, instead of produced by local plants. Hence, the infrastructure cannot handle it. That is still the fault of the solar/wind fiasco.
It's like requiring all goods enter the US through Florida, and then saying the interstate highways cannot handle the truck traffic. Is the problem really the roads, or the fact you restricted all cargo to coming in through Florida?
Exactly, that is the worst part, the corruption of the idea. Solar and wind were thought of as DECENTRALIZED means of generation (on the monicker of "distributed generation") which would REDUCE THE NEED FOR LONG-DISTANCE TRANSMISSION and not increase it (people would generate at their homes where they consume it). They stupidly took solar and wind for what it was not meant to be and made it a business-large, industrialized and concentrated thing. Well guess what if you want to go big then location starts to matter and transmission gets worse.
Eucalyptus trees are flammable because their oil is flammable. The seeds are activated by fire. The trees are invasive from Australia.
The power companies are liable for the fires, but they aren't to blame. Eradicate Eucalyptus and there won't be any fires in CA.
There is no proactive fire mgmt in California. Or not enough anyway. The Dems like to get Fed $$$ and let CA burn.
New Green Deal - see it in action in CA. This is what you get when you elect leftists.
California has been doing mail in voting and election fraud for a very long time. There’s no way of knowing for sure that California is truly a blue state. I hate when people say this is what we deserve.
I’m in SoCal and there are some conservatives here, I’m including blue city too. We had some of the first gyms opening underground and militias organizing here before the rest of America.
These people will probably still vote blue. They are retarded..
Well, at least virtue signaling for the win! Screw the populace!
If only they can harness the power of virtue signaling, and turn it into electricity!!!
No no you can just buy carbon credits and it's all fine.
50? Oh, you must mean Celsius. Carry on, Greta. Kek!
It's NEVER been about environmentalism. It's about teaching the little people to live without necessities, and teaching them to be dependent on the DNC for their daily bread
I’ve visited Morro Bay hundreds of times. I had a server once say that when that plant is running, he could feel his lungs hurting. It’s a natural gas fired plant. The same fuel used in the kitchen of the restaurant to cook food he gathers and delivers to customers.
Leftism is a mental disease.
There is a power station at Huntington Beach that they closed down a few years ago too....'dirty coal power' as well as the nuclear plant in San Onofre.
They don't like coal or nuclear....but they buy power on the spot market from....drumroll....coal and nuclear generated power.
Living in AZ...people who are APS customers are getting rate hike...because Arizona power is being diverted to be sold to satisfy california power...leaving less power available for ppl here in AZ....
So getting screwed twice, because AZ power users pay for Palo Verde plant...but then APS sells some of it to CA for high profit...and then raises bill for AZ residents due to less power avail for aZ residents. Self perpetuating power shortage for the sake of profits. :/
I mean, the capitalist way of viewing this is to build a bunch of nuke plants in Arizona, then roll around in the good jobs and money it brings in.
Hey, that's all good lolz.
HB was given a one year extension to live.
Ah..ok..I'm a little behind...I left CA in 2013, so I'm not too up to date anymore. At least they're running and making power...kudos. Obviously, they need more than a year though.
Crazy, but that plant was scheduled to close in 2020, and after rolling blackouts 2 weeks ago they got a one year extension.
I'd say if the government doesn't start those things up, the people should.
CCP wants you to move out so they can buy your property. Once they have enough property they'll power it all back up. If you know finance, the CCP can't get their printed money out of China. The best way they can is to buy realestate that Obama/Biden Clintons made legal. They are buying all the big cities and CA.
Things making a little more sense now? Bums shitting in streets? That'll be gone once the CCP Stasi police take over. It's there for now to get you to move out. It's all planned. They own the mayors, governors, judges, schools... wake up
Environmentalism is misanthropic. They will continue to do this and if people die then it’s worth sAviNG tHe pLaNeT!!! The final solution to environmentalism is less people. Not them though just you and your family.
The final solution to environmentalism
Is a “final solution” for the environmentalists
California suffers from a lack of (political) diversity.
Too many cucks who don’t give two fucks about us.
Diesel Generator has entered the chat.
Closed down because warm water from the plant (cooling water) is considered pollution.
Guarantee you the Hollywood celebs neighborhoods aren't having their power cut. Rules for thee, not for me. Someone should go film the fact that the Hollywood pedos aren't having their power cut.
If you have money, it's not hard to get solar panels on your roof and batteries. It will cost them about $40,000 for the panels and batteries.
Excessive regulation primarily hurts the poor and the middle class.
Solar. LMAO. Celebs have backup generators that can run their homes for a week. Solar would barely dent their usage.
Diesel genset(s) with large fuel tank onsite- all hidden from view and earshot. Even better if you can hook into natural gas as well. You could pull that off for chump change once you have billions. Power for me, not for thee.
3 Stacks and a Rock!!!!
Trump should order the plants to be reopened citing national security concerns.
Better to let CA learn the hard way.
Nah, why do you think Californians are so rabid about climate change? They see the repercussions all the time, like good little sheep.
Trust me, minds would change drastically when that 900 dollar power bill drops to 100.
Captain Obvious says: "In California there is mainly "only the left" and they long ago lost rational objectivity in governance that often comes from multiple perspectives on issues (...think rational conservative viewpoints)."
my big beautiful hometown smoke stacks. lots of trump flags on houses visible as you drive up hwy 1 right here
Heres the deal if california goes red, the grid will get fixed, if it stays blue, china will have expanded into amercia and the red dawn is here
No power no information. They'll have total shutdown for the October surpruse. You guys need to burn your capital Nd bury Newsome and pelosi while you are at it.
CA would rather use solar and let their citizens and businesses sit in the dark and loose income, perishable products, etc. then allow their nuclear or fossil fuel power plants to operate.
Sad thing is it isn’t only a supply side issue but they let the infrastructure collapse while pumping money into social issues and environmental issues and restrictions. This coupled with open borders policies and uncontrolled immigration caused population growth as a result, which in turn causes most of the energy and housing crisis we see today.
Well, pretty soon they won't have money for either infrastructure, or for social issues.
I just hope CA people figure this out before it's too late.
“Off grid” lifestyle. It’s a movement. “Tiny houses” are very in style.
Please spell altar correctly. It's not a $50 word. Lessens a very important point.
My bad. Half-minded posting at work, as per usual.
its no secret that an attacked on the power grid would put the US into a tail spin. You cant increase population and not increase the power grid accordingly.
They also passed laws where the power companies would be responsible if their power lines set a wildfire (which is why they are currently in a blackout; because of wildfire concerns) which actually wouldn't even matter if they didn't pass laws preventing controlled burning of wildlands to burn off any dead/decaying combustibles (ie dead trees and leaves).
Literally fucked themselves coming anf going.
suddenly solar panels arent so bad...unless you're tied to the grid and dont have an inverter
If you have solar panels, you need an inverter. Appliances don't run on DC.
But, you do need an inverter with a grid cut-off.
Needs a flux capacitor!
Californians need to take back their state.
Don’t you all think they’re forcing people to move away? Move to red states to turn them blue?
I don't know much about what the problem is in this particular situation, but it may not be a generation capacity issue but a power grid issue or both. If grid capacity is the problem, the power plant you choose to use can alleviate or worsen that somewhat by balancing load evenly or unevenly on different parts of the system, but it can't fix the whole problem.
Wind power and solar power are even worse deals than they appear, as they are often situated where the loads aren't and are dependent on storage that doesn't exist; requiring instead an intricate dance of gas turbines, spinning reserve, hydro etc. carefully balancing the system and providing "storage" by deferring consumption. To transport that diffuse power you end up building power lines that will only be used 20-30% of the time in great big webs.
I thought the blackouts were for fire danger. Which is a separate, but still almost entirely a failure of the left, issue.
in sf there's no blackout. cuz Pelosi lives there.
Climate Hysteria is literal insanity.
https://www.epa.gov/environmental-economics/global-warming-what-it-all-about
The whole global warming argument is terribly flawed.
Its working still. Set to be decommissioned in 2025. Diablo Canyon is the last nuclear plant in California.
Meanwhile it was 124 degrees in LA this week and they're having blackouts
That photo is the Morro power station, not Diablo.
The thing people don't get about CA is we produce more power than we can use but there's always a reason or excuse we have to pay $$$$$ for what we DO use. And DON'T use.
https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-electricity-capacity/
Trust the 'science'!
I mean they probably just don't give a fuck. You have to care about a problem before you can fix it. Be it pure power generation or the means to carry it to homes and businesses.
Does the Mayor of LA care that some idiot has to sit in a dark house and light a candle to get around?
Probably not.
sounds like the french right before the revolution
serfs don't deserve power.
Want more power Californians? Stop giving it to liberal wackos.
They shut it down years ago. There's a nuclear one 15 miles away (also to be shut down).
"b U t T h I n K a B o U t T e H b A b Y w H a L e S ! ! !"
They aren't "Elites" when the whole monetary system is a fraud. All they are is scamming two-faces pieces of shit lying and deceiving good people out of their freedom and prosperity.