Not now. Always have. Obama was a low key war hawk. Hillary was an outright war hawk and would have started wars just like Bush did. What is more surprising is that the Republicans aren't war hawks or profiteers with Trump leading the party.
Highly recommended if you're trying to understand the forces behind the rise of POTUS, and those in Defense Intelligence who are working to reshape what these Enemies of The US did to the US, and The World during the previous Century. POTUS was a long time in the making, and in engineering the possibility of where we are at now. For the inclined reader, Historian, Political Scientist, and deep diver, this is a crucial resource.
Yeah, but WW2 was justified and everyone agreed with it. If a Republican was President, we still would’ve gone to war. WW1 to a lesser extent. And you can’t legitimately tell me Korea was a mistake either. Don’t forget, it takes the approval of Congress to declare war, and there’ve been Republicans in Congress ever since the Civil War.
And Vietnam was obviously a disaster. Though on the bright side, we killed a lot of communists.
Hitler wanted to control the world. If we hadn't stopped the Germans in Europe, their next stop would have been America - and we would have had bombing on our soil.
That is the reason for Syria. Libya was because Qadaffi was going to create a gold-backed pan-African currency that would weaken the power of the Euro.
It's already been established that the CIA knew the Taliban and Osama were planning something. FBI agents were actively being removed from terrorist cases in the 90s and 2000 because the CIA didn't like the competition even though the FBI had different interrogation tactics that sometimes worked better.
I guarantee the CIA covered up how much they knew even after this information was shared.
I don't blame HW for the first War in Iraq because Kuwait was our allies and Iraq had no legitimate claim to the country. I don't blame Bush for the initial Afghanistan invasion. But we should not be rebuilding countries for 20 years.
But we should not be rebuilding countries for 20 years.
"The Mouse That Roared" (1959) with Peter Sellers.
A country on the verge of economic collapse decides the best thing they could possibly do is declare war on The United States for all that sweet sweet aid money that comes after.
1959 19591959!
We've been doing this shit since for so long it was the central plot for a satire film the year my father was born.
He did kill a 16 year old US citizen in a drone strike, Anwar al-Awlaki. That’s the foreign policy version of a white cop killing a black man. Meanwhile he wins the Nobel Peace prize and people say foreign countries have lost all respect for us. Plus notice how the guy who nominated Trump is “far right”, I’m sure whoever nominated Barry was an austere scholar.
The Democratic establishment has always been pro-war. Until the Bush family they got us involved in almost every war since 1860. WW1. WW2. Korea. Vietnam. Kosovo. Somalia. Bay of Pigs. This only exception was the Spanish American War since McKinley was president but he pled with Spain to not start the war. Republicans had to end Vietnam and Korea.
The Democrat establishment loves war but they're also willing to lie if a war is hurting their opponents. Neocons like Bolton at least don't lie about their foreign policy beliefs.
Most Democratic voters are only antiwar when it's inconvenient to a candidate they don't like. Unlike antiwar Republicans, they're willing to make excuses. The real antiwar leftists like Jimmy Dore are barely present anymore.
There's plenty of evidence the USS Maine blew up by herself. Spain didn't start anything; just like Iraq and Afghanistan now, Cuba in 1898 was none of our business and the primary motivation for sending American military in was US business interests.
Yep. And all because a certain tiny but highly-influential Tribe of Tribesmen in the US pushed for those neocon wars. Pearle, Wolfowitz, Chertoff, Abrams, Feith, Kristol, etc. all belong to said Tribe.
We are not the world's police force. Did Vietnam teach us nothing? Our men and women should not be dying because of violent morons in other countries. Bring our troops home. We have problems enough in our own country.
Honestly, this is a very difficult subject for me to grapple with. Does that fact that Vietnam ended up being a disaster automatically make it a wrong decision to get involved to thwart the spread of Communism? You could easily make the exact opposite case for the Korean War based on outcomes. As far as I can tell, our involvement is the only reason there is a free/slave and a literal light/dark divide on the Korean peninsula.
WWI and WWII have the same kind of juxtaposition. Looking back at history, I am repulsed by our involvement in WWI, but not so with WWII. Maybe this question of foreign involvement just has to be a case by case issue.
Regardless, our war in Iraq was one of the most misguided decisions in US history. At this point I don't see any other sensible conclusion.
You might be right. But it's easy to say from our vantage point in history. After China turned red, Communism started sweeping the globe at a rapid and terrifying pace. Neither of us knows how bad it would have gotten, or how close to home, if we hadn't intervened as much as we did.
Vietnam would have worked if the military had been allowed to do its job, and fucking traitors like Jane Fonda had been thrown in jail rather than allowed national platforms to whine.
Vietnam was a noble war against Communists. So was Korea. The tragedy there was the cowardly way our politicians handled the war and the realization that our media/university element of society were treacherous, embedded, Marxist rats.
Like NPR constantly moaning about the US military presence in the middle east during the Bush years, ignoring the US military presence in the middle east during the 0bama years and then moaning about how Trump reducing the US military presence in the middle east is pLaYiNg RiGhT iNtO rUsSiA's HaNd!!!
NPR has got to be the absolute worst. Yesterday they had this guy on talking about Trump ending critical race theory training in the federal government. Then he started talking about how all they wanted to do was teach in schools that the founding fathers didn't actually found the country and slaves were the true founding fathers. WTF!
I cannot believe there are still 3000 troops even IN Iraq in 2020?! How much is this costing us every year in logistics and lives to keep these guys say around with some vague “peace” mission?
There will likely always be troops there. Every time we occupy a country we never really leave. We still have bases all over Europe. I’m not sure if we officially have any bases in Greece/Cyprus but we do by proxy of all of the British installations.
I found it very funny how Trump retweeted like 15 or 20 posts about this nomination this morning. His confidence is contagious, and obviously we all know he deserves it. But are you guys getting a little tired yet?
Kayleigh is distractingly beautiful. I find it difficult concentrating on the awesome MAGA things she says because she's literally too gorgeous. We have the BEST women don't we folks!?
That was the plan. Flood Europe with immigrants and dilute each individual country’s culture. 1 or 2 generations they will identify as ‘Europeans’ rather than French, Italian etc
Some tds sufferer at work today said “Trump is going to get us in a war!” I said “ohh really!?” “Like with North Korea and Russia??? Ohh and I forgot he just got nominated for the Nobel peace prize for creating peace in the Middle East!” She looked like a deer in headlights. Especially when I said “didn’t they say Trump would destroy America? But who’s burning down all the major cities?? It sure isn’t Trump supporters destroying our country! And he condemned all the rioters from day one unlike Joe Pedo! You know They’re all Biden voters right??.” She replied “well yeah I guess you’re right...” NO FUCKIN SHIT LADY!!!
Meh, if American Troops could handle Patton's insufferable Ego, I'm sure they can understand Trump's comparatively mild Ego. Besides, technically he did come in as CiC and shake shit up enough to make it happen so ergo the strategy is Trump's and it won the field. (so to speak). Besides its already well known that Trump is more than gracious to the soldiers that serve.
Left hates peace now.
Not now. Always have. Obama was a low key war hawk. Hillary was an outright war hawk and would have started wars just like Bush did. What is more surprising is that the Republicans aren't war hawks or profiteers with Trump leading the party.
US involvement in WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam all happened with leftist Commander in Chiefs.
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Yeah, but WW2 was justified and everyone agreed with it. If a Republican was President, we still would’ve gone to war. WW1 to a lesser extent. And you can’t legitimately tell me Korea was a mistake either. Don’t forget, it takes the approval of Congress to declare war, and there’ve been Republicans in Congress ever since the Civil War.
And Vietnam was obviously a disaster. Though on the bright side, we killed a lot of communists.
WWI was just an extension to WWII and our involvement did not help matters as we took sides in a conflict we had nothing to do with.
Hitler wanted to control the world. If we hadn't stopped the Germans in Europe, their next stop would have been America - and we would have had bombing on our soil.
up until the Bushes it was always "The Left starts wars, the Right ends them".
Bush of course changed all that.
Trying to build a pipeline to undercut Russian energy dependency for the EU?
That's my best guess for the nonsense obama wars
That is the reason for Syria. Libya was because Qadaffi was going to create a gold-backed pan-African currency that would weaken the power of the Euro.
Ah ok, that also makes sense.
The only thing I knew for sure is that it wasn't for the good of American citizens.
I hope all Republicans and anti war leftists always remember how the media and intelligence agencies treated trump and how dishonest they were.
They lie and tell us violence is peace in our own country. The establishment can never again be trusted to tell us we need to intervene in another.
Let EU be dependant on the Russians.
Let them find engergy independence with nukes and north sea oil.
Not our problem.
Fully agree and cannot believe this is somehow an outsider position in politics.
We cannot trade American lives for the interest of another country. It's crazy.
The war in Iraq (pt2) was planned before 9/11
Bush was in on 9/11...
I see people responding to you about 9/11. The second invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
Operations Desert Storm and Enduring Freedom were both started under Bushes, HW and W respectively.
Don’t tell me you think 9/11 was Bush’s fault 🤦🏻♂️
I think folks generally mean Iraq here. I’m not sure anyone really argues kicking Afghanistan’s house down was just us starting shit.
Don't tell me you think the deep state had nothing to do with 9/11 🤦♂️
It's already been established that the CIA knew the Taliban and Osama were planning something. FBI agents were actively being removed from terrorist cases in the 90s and 2000 because the CIA didn't like the competition even though the FBI had different interrogation tactics that sometimes worked better.
I guarantee the CIA covered up how much they knew even after this information was shared.
I don't blame HW for the first War in Iraq because Kuwait was our allies and Iraq had no legitimate claim to the country. I don't blame Bush for the initial Afghanistan invasion. But we should not be rebuilding countries for 20 years.
"The Mouse That Roared" (1959) with Peter Sellers.
A country on the verge of economic collapse decides the best thing they could possibly do is declare war on The United States for all that sweet sweet aid money that comes after.
1959 1959 1959!
We've been doing this shit since for so long it was the central plot for a satire film the year my father was born.
I can only upvote once, I guess I have to register democrat to upvote more than once.
But, is the movie on Netflix?
Bingo
Uniparty War Machine.
He did kill a 16 year old US citizen in a drone strike, Anwar al-Awlaki. That’s the foreign policy version of a white cop killing a black man. Meanwhile he wins the Nobel Peace prize and people say foreign countries have lost all respect for us. Plus notice how the guy who nominated Trump is “far right”, I’m sure whoever nominated Barry was an austere scholar.
Where was BLM?
The Democratic establishment has always been pro-war. Until the Bush family they got us involved in almost every war since 1860. WW1. WW2. Korea. Vietnam. Kosovo. Somalia. Bay of Pigs. This only exception was the Spanish American War since McKinley was president but he pled with Spain to not start the war. Republicans had to end Vietnam and Korea.
The Democrat establishment loves war but they're also willing to lie if a war is hurting their opponents. Neocons like Bolton at least don't lie about their foreign policy beliefs.
Most Democratic voters are only antiwar when it's inconvenient to a candidate they don't like. Unlike antiwar Republicans, they're willing to make excuses. The real antiwar leftists like Jimmy Dore are barely present anymore.
There's plenty of evidence the USS Maine blew up by herself. Spain didn't start anything; just like Iraq and Afghanistan now, Cuba in 1898 was none of our business and the primary motivation for sending American military in was US business interests.
Well said. You got it. And don't forget the allegiances of the neocohens.
Always have.
WTF I hate not wasting American lives in an untameable sandbox of eternal violence filled with low-IQ tribesmen.
Yep. And all because a certain tiny but highly-influential Tribe of Tribesmen in the US pushed for those neocon wars. Pearle, Wolfowitz, Chertoff, Abrams, Feith, Kristol, etc. all belong to said Tribe.
We are not the world's police force. Did Vietnam teach us nothing? Our men and women should not be dying because of violent morons in other countries. Bring our troops home. We have problems enough in our own country.
Honestly, this is a very difficult subject for me to grapple with. Does that fact that Vietnam ended up being a disaster automatically make it a wrong decision to get involved to thwart the spread of Communism? You could easily make the exact opposite case for the Korean War based on outcomes. As far as I can tell, our involvement is the only reason there is a free/slave and a literal light/dark divide on the Korean peninsula.
WWI and WWII have the same kind of juxtaposition. Looking back at history, I am repulsed by our involvement in WWI, but not so with WWII. Maybe this question of foreign involvement just has to be a case by case issue.
Regardless, our war in Iraq was one of the most misguided decisions in US history. At this point I don't see any other sensible conclusion.
There's no reason to risk american lives for commie assholes.
You want to be a communist country? Cool. Hope you don't mind ruling over a desert of glass.
It'd only take one or two countries at the most to get the point across.
You might be right. But it's easy to say from our vantage point in history. After China turned red, Communism started sweeping the globe at a rapid and terrifying pace. Neither of us knows how bad it would have gotten, or how close to home, if we hadn't intervened as much as we did.
It's taken root in the USA. Whatever we did, failed.
Let the commies starve themselves to death China was about to starve but then they became a capitalist economy owned by the gov
Vietnam would have worked if the military had been allowed to do its job, and fucking traitors like Jane Fonda had been thrown in jail rather than allowed national platforms to whine.
Vietnam was a noble war against Communists. So was Korea. The tragedy there was the cowardly way our politicians handled the war and the realization that our media/university element of society were treacherous, embedded, Marxist rats.
This is the correct answer.
Even more frustrating is that the Tet Offensive was a desperate push by the enemy; if we hadn't left after that, things may be very different.
We could have turned Vietnam into a parking lot. We weren’t allowed to win that war by those in our government.
Kurdish allies matter but Kenosha and Rochester citizens don't
It’s a good way for leftists to eliminate certain genes that may resist totalitarianism here at home.
This is what people who voted for Hope and Change in 2008 thought would happen.
And yet they will still vote for Biden...
Don't feel the park animals!
And they got the opposite. Obama/Biden escalated wars.
Come home boys!
INB4 Hawaiian judge wakes up and rules they must stay
I never get tired of that meme.
Can’t wait for the Biden sound bite saying this is a terrible idea.
Followed a week later by the Biden sound bite stating he's always wanted to bring the troops home and Trump is trying to keep them overseas.
🎯🎯🎯
Like NPR constantly moaning about the US military presence in the middle east during the Bush years, ignoring the US military presence in the middle east during the 0bama years and then moaning about how Trump reducing the US military presence in the middle east is pLaYiNg RiGhT iNtO rUsSiA's HaNd!!!
NPR has got to be the absolute worst. Yesterday they had this guy on talking about Trump ending critical race theory training in the federal government. Then he started talking about how all they wanted to do was teach in schools that the founding fathers didn't actually found the country and slaves were the true founding fathers. WTF!
Thank you Kayleigh for specifying this is an outcome from the meeting he had with the Iraqi PM a couple weeks ago.
GEOTUS gets shit done!
I cannot believe there are still 3000 troops even IN Iraq in 2020?! How much is this costing us every year in logistics and lives to keep these guys say around with some vague “peace” mission?
What POTUS did:
President Trump is amazing in both strategy and execution. In my lifetime, I have never seen anyone so effective.
Peace Prize worthy
Gotta pump those numbers DOWN!
Only reason for the DOD swamp to start spreading lies about Trump is ALWAYS due to a troop withdrawal or war deescalation. Every. Single. Time.
WTF there's still 3,000 Americans there?
There will likely always be troops there. Every time we occupy a country we never really leave. We still have bases all over Europe. I’m not sure if we officially have any bases in Greece/Cyprus but we do by proxy of all of the British installations.
We even still have troops stationed in Japan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_Japan
TBF that’s because it’s a perfect staging ground for a fight against China
I really hope trump can pull of some magic and bring them home... he couldn't lose if he did that.
Get out of the empire breaker entirely. Nobody can control the middle east, not even the middle east
WTF I love war and the military industrial complex now
Remember in the 1990's when the Israeli issues WERE ALL TOP OF NEWS EVERY DAY ALL YEAR LONG....
Then the MID-EAST became 'news' all the time -
Now - not a word on ISIS REKKED, Not a word on Peace. Not a word on Iran. Not a word on the. Peace Zones set up for the Kurds...
Because TRUMP has won the day...
and the MEDIA DOES NOT WANT YOU TO KNOW IT!
Remember when they all said he would start a war to get re-elected.
The madman is actually ending one!
Liberals: WTF I love war now
I found it very funny how Trump retweeted like 15 or 20 posts about this nomination this morning. His confidence is contagious, and obviously we all know he deserves it. But are you guys getting a little tired yet?
Kayleigh is distractingly beautiful. I find it difficult concentrating on the awesome MAGA things she says because she's literally too gorgeous. We have the BEST women don't we folks!?
She’s an amazing woman. My wife absolutely adores her.
Biden and Obama's warmongering got a refugee crisis
That was the plan. Flood Europe with immigrants and dilute each individual country’s culture. 1 or 2 generations they will identify as ‘Europeans’ rather than French, Italian etc
The Left: "This proves that Trump hates the troops. If he cared he would leave them in that shithole in harm's way."
Some tds sufferer at work today said “Trump is going to get us in a war!” I said “ohh really!?” “Like with North Korea and Russia??? Ohh and I forgot he just got nominated for the Nobel peace prize for creating peace in the Middle East!” She looked like a deer in headlights. Especially when I said “didn’t they say Trump would destroy America? But who’s burning down all the major cities?? It sure isn’t Trump supporters destroying our country! And he condemned all the rioters from day one unlike Joe Pedo! You know They’re all Biden voters right??.” She replied “well yeah I guess you’re right...” NO FUCKIN SHIT LADY!!!
So which terrorist leader is going down this time? Last time a troop withdrawal was announced, that Iran general was sliced.
It's important to not take credit for the actions of our brave soldiers. Though he did a lot of good, this lady needs to not say "he defeeted Isis".
Meh, if American Troops could handle Patton's insufferable Ego, I'm sure they can understand Trump's comparatively mild Ego. Besides, technically he did come in as CiC and shake shit up enough to make it happen so ergo the strategy is Trump's and it won the field. (so to speak). Besides its already well known that Trump is more than gracious to the soldiers that serve.
I have to think he's trying not to repeat Obamas mistake and letting ISIS take over.
You're 100% right though and I hope he can figure it out soon.
Why not just remove them completely
“Peace is bad for business”
So let it be written, so let it be done.
This makes me so happy
Excellent news.
Suddenly, Democrats want to send our Troops to foreign wars.
WTF I hate troops leaving Iraq now.
Peace love and Trump!! MAGA!!
W O R S T T Y R A N T E V E R
Remember when they said Trump would start wars? I remember.
PEACE IS THE PRIZE!
Punish MIC