They changed IQ scoring sometime after I took the test, to make scores over 140 much rarer.
When I took the test for Mensa I scored at 152, and best I can tell he’s got a higher IQ than I do.
Here’s the thing, When an IQ differs from yours by more than 20 points, much of what the other person is doing, either direction, is unfathomable to you. It’s as if you are speaking different languages.
I see so much that candidate Trump did and that President Trump is doing that seems to be to be over the head of a lot of people viewing him. They also confuse the reports by his enemies with what he’s really done and said.
A high IQ doesn’t make you perfect, but he just expertly navigated a minefield like I’ve never seen done before. You have to understand that there really is a deep-state problem. Look no further than the change in average wealth between the time a typical person joins Congress and the time they leave, or the White House, or any other major political office. Hint, there’s virtually no correlation between their government salary and their sudden amassing of wealth over the few years they are in office.
If you sit back and read the tea leaves you’ll figure out you’re being lied to by extremely powerful people, people who have a vested interest in lying to you on all media outlets. All you have to do is notice the vast difference between their predictions of what’s about to happen and their low success rate at it actually happening to realize that the media makes up and sensationalizes stories for views. Yes, the same media that makes their living getting people to buy products they don’t need and to make reckless financial decisions because advertisers convince them to spend their money and time watching TV and buying soon-to-be-worthless junk, also knows how to convince a lot of people that someone is bad when they are really good.
Back away from your biases and ask yourself, would you want to be president if you had a billion dollars, a penthouse apartment overlooking central park and a supermodel wife?
Every assumption about his motives is vacuous at best. “Putin blackmailed him to run the most amazing upset in political history?” Give me a break.
What he did and is doing while single handedly battling every media outlet (believe me, Fox News was not his friend during the campaign) the active campaigning of a sitting president (unprecedented in the history of our democracy), the non-stop criticism of the Hollywood stars and professional comedians.
Who in power was on Donald Trump’s side this election season? The Koch brothers didn’t fund him. People in his own party worked against him as late as the last month of the campaign.
Saying his IQ is anything but extraordinary would be like watching a football player repeatedly score the winning touchdowns despite the efforts of half his own team and most of the referees on the field, and then say that player’s not much of an athlete.
The man is brilliant on levels I’ve never seen.
Let me clue you into his so-called craziness in tweets and other communication. Every “outrageous” statement has a very clear purpose. It is to get someone to look where the media don’t want them to look. Everytime someone looks they find out that they are being lied to. Most of the time people won’t look because the tweet will be about something they don’t care about and the surface analysis, “another crazy tweet,” will hold sway. But every now and then they’ll look deeper. With each deep look a few more people are converted from “Trump’s crazy” to, “The media and most of our leadership are lying, and Trump’s exposing it.” Every move over because a new part of the higher, permanent, un-moveable base.
President Trump’s strategy is incredibly patient, incredibly long term. He’s not trying to win over every person every day. He’s trying to build a loyal following one voter and one issue at a time. All of his strategies are ratchet strategies. If you followed the whole election season the phrase that kept coming out over and over again is
“He’s got this loyal base that is with him for the distance, no matter what.”
But no one bothered to look into why that was so, or why it was such a one-way move. Despite media outcries to the contrary there are almost no, former Trump supporters. This was a very carefully planned strategy, not to go for a broad win by saying it's easy to accept things, but to go for permanent loyalty by exposing what’s really happening to the country one complex issue at a time.
When I first started watching the debates I thought he was wrong on almost every issue, but issue after issue the more I looked the more sense he made.
The destruction of the middle class has been attributed to tax breaks, but this makes no sense. The middle class doesn’t survive based on government handouts. The middle class thrives based on good jobs. The lie being told is that those jobs are all being lost to automation. This lie is easily exposed because if it was true, we in America should be the kings of automation and should be leading the world in exports, rather than jobs being lost and companies moving operations overseas.
Undisciplined immigration and trade policies were the largest eroding force to the health and upward mobility of the middle class. Every cheap laborer adding to the US consumer market (whether through lax immigration or lax trade) lowered the bargaining power of the US middle class and, by extension, diminished the median US income dramatically. This was something that no other politician saw going in. I didn’t see it. It’s not easy to see because we get swept away by semantic arguments. But the math is clear.
President Trump is definitely the brightest president I’ve seen in my lifetime. If you’re fooled by his simple-speak, his, “The best words” you’ve never run a company or sold a product. Simple speak is command speech. Simple speak gives clarity where big words only confuse people. The majority of big words exist to equivocate, hedge your bets. That’s not how a commander gets reliable action because it has people afraid to act out of fear that they got the commander’s will wrong. President Trump is way, way above 150 by the standards that were in play for testing when I took the test in 1988. So even given adjustments both for the Flynn effect and the way IQ switched to a statistical rather than age-ratio scoring standard, he’s still above 140 today.
My IQ rose a few points just reading that. Good job by whoever procreated it.
hahaha. Right there with you.
I love President Trump with every ounce of my soul.
"Simple speak gives clarity where big words only confuse people."
I think this is an underappreciated point. "Drumpf is dumb because he doesn't use flowery speech like Obama." Or maybe, Trump realizes that the average person doesn't understand speeches rife with $5 words and it's better to communicate at an "average" level. I've heard that the average citizen understands at a 6th grade level, so that's what Trump is doing.
I do the same thing when I work up technical documentation, I call it the "Lowest Common Denominator (LCD) Principle." My documentation should be able to understood by anyone who looks at it, even laypeople like my kids. That's what Trump does, and these snobs mistake it as a lack of intelligence.
Anybody who has had to explain technology to the very young or very old comes to this realization very quickly.
I like when he slips up and drops somewhat obscure legal terms. He obviously has a huge vocabulary and chooses to speak plainly. Its a learned skill to do that for sure.
For example, last week he used the word "inured" when replying to a reporter question. I had to rewind and make sure I heard him right.
Yea I have NEVER heard that word before...
That caught my attention too! Very cool. We have the smartest President, don't we?
Lol! That stood out to me too
There's a great episode of "Growing Pains" that covered that topic in regards to journalism. Carol wants to join the school newspaper, and her sample piece is so full of over the top intellectual verbage that she's denied. When the high school teacher/sponsor speaks to her in his office, he ends with "Excuse me, I forgot who I was talking to. It is replete with stinkiosity." Her mom (who is a journalist) explains to her that you have to speak simply to the audience in order to be effective.
Never Forget Eddie "Boner" Stabone.
That's Richard "Boner" Stabone!
Party foul on my part. Eddie was the other one of Mike's loser friends, right? Guess I merged the two.
Haha, yes he was the other loser friend. I found him less lovable than the Stabone.
Boner was solid.
You're missing the point. It's not about trying to explain things to idiots. It's about simple words being more effective, always.
People use complex words and arcane sentences when they don't want to be understood, or don't want to commit. It's a technique to leave things intentionally vague. This is what typical politicians do, because you won't be able to call them out on their lies or if they fail.
For example, you can say
"I'll try to do X"
or
"we'll assess the viability of idea X with quite strong expectations of a future implementation and execution".
They mean the same thing. But if you fail, you covered your ass more with option 2.
Trump is different. Because he's not afraid of being called out or be accused of lying, he's frank and bombastic. This comes across as more honest, even if he's technically inaccurate at times.
There's another post today from a pornstar saying that reacting to anything immediately and emotionally is a sign of low emotional intelligence. Trump has mastered putting low EQ people into corners by getting them emotional. Almost everyone who thinks Trump is dumb are people who have been made emotional by moves he makes one or two steps in to an long term strategy.
If the best predictors of success are intelligence and conscientiousness, then shouldn't intelligence be defined, as "whatever makes you successful that isn't conscientiousness?"
There's no such thing as "emotional intelligence". You can be empathetic or you can be an asshole, but understanding other people is not a specific form of intelligence. It's a choice of using your brain power in that direction rather than on solving math problems.
IQ measures your brain power, just like the horsepowers measures the power of an engine.
Well, not to get into it too deeply, it's pretty obvious when you're dealing with an extremely low charismatic individual who talks in off-putting and therefore ineffective ways, versus someone who can navigate an emotional landscape and get people to change their opinions/behavior.
And to add - I don't think it's too weird or out there to call an awareness and inclination to use an ability to get better results an 'intelligence.'
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He is truly a stable genius. I think a great indicator is how quickly he can understand different fields of knowledge. Also, his communication skills are amazing. Simple and repeating.
And the encyclopedic memory for faces, names, stats, places...
Trump mastered his persona of simple speak back in the early 80s. He also found simple speak to be a huge advantage as many people thought they were smarter than him. He and whomever helped consult this image deserves a monument.
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Well.. this is America. Of course we’re free. (Mostly, thanks commies.)
One thing I've been saying from the beginning that he's saying here - his support has a ratchet effect.
Once you realize that you have been lied to, and it only takes once or twice - you just can't go back. You automatically start asking "what they hell else have they been lying about." You stop listening to what he's saying and everyone else is saying, and start watching what he's doing. And you start enjoying the ride.
EDIT: I meant to add - once you are converted despite Trump getting 95% negative coverage, it's too late for his enemies - you can't be gotten. If he can get you with no help and everyone against him, you're pretty much solidly Team Trump with no hope for the other guys.
That's one thing that I haven't thought through well enough. This seems like something every politician would love to have, but how come only Trump has gotten it? I was a Bernie Bro back in 2015, but now I look on those days with shame. But it's as if everything Trump does just makes me like him more. It's clear he's much more bold and intelligent and NOT careless, maybe that's why.
I would say it's because he's the genuine article. 😁
https://www.quora.com/To-all-those-with-IQ-above-135-how-high-do-you-suspect-Donald-Trump%E2%80%99s-IQ-to-be
Sincerely,
John Miller
His Saturday EO’s on the Wuhan Flu completely sidelined the House for this election cycle. I never saw it coming but I saw the brilliance immediately of setting up a fight with House Democrats that they had to forfeit.
He works strategically against tactical people. When you’re hung up on short term tactics and winning with them, you usually can’t understand when a strategy has been deployed against you. Think of the Russians razing their own towns and villages in front of Hitler’s advance.
*Napoleon's (possibly as well, it's been a while since I revisited my history.)
It doesn't take a high IQ to realize this- it just takes awareness and paying attention.
Watching a dope trying to act smart (Obama) vs someone truly making things simple and make sense (Trump, Rush) is real eye opening sometimes.
A big indicator of someone who has a high IQ (coupled with Trumps extraordinary skills in rhetorical speech) is that they can effectively communicate with people across all intelligence levels. Some of the people with the highest IQs have no ability to speak to someone who is of an average intelligence. They have a gift of dialectic speech, but no rhetorical skills. Trump is the greatest rhetorican that I have ever witnessed, or even read. The average person, or someone I like to call a midwit (someone who is slightly above average intelligence, maybe the 110-120 IQ range, who thinks they are in the 130s or higher) listens to the way Trump speaks and think he is an idiot. The fact that he is able to gear his speech to an audience that literally anyone can understand, and break down complex ideas in such a manner that anyone can understand it, is a sign of a very high intellect coupled with a magnificent gift of rhetorical speaking. Either way you look at it, you dont become a billionaire in the New York and then global real estate market by being stupid. Even if his dad gave him his startup capital, I'd venture to guess that if they dont destroy America before hand, that all these liberal trust fund babies will have blown their inheritance and savings before they turn 35. He took a little bit of money, relatively speaking, and turn it into a mountain.
Jordan Peterson - Donald Trump's IQ
That's because every test can't be completely new to everyone, or more accurately, can't be an even playing field because of our different experiences.
If I play a chess game against someone who knows the rules but without experience, I'll win every single time. Because I know the patterns of the game, which I've practiced in tens of thousands of games.
Same thing happens for anything that can be used as an IQ test: a series of numbers, a series of images, etc. The levels of experience with these things must vary across individuals.
I'd like to know your opinion on this.
I teach and I'm on my district's gifted and talented committee. It is the committee's job to screen kids that have been nominated for the gifted and talented program. I had a girl a few years ago in my class that was your classic ditzy blonde. Her mom nominated her for the program and we screened her. I was floored at the results. She had an IQ of 141. I am also on my campus's special ed committee that places kids into special ed. You would be surprised at how many kids scored in the low 70s - mid 80s. I often wonder how those kids will function when they become adults. I've often found that the hardest part of teaching is having classes every year that have kids at both ends of the spectrum in the same class. Having to find new ways to challenge the bright kids while moving as slow as possible for the low ones is definitely a challenge. As a teacher, I would definitely recommend to parents that have kids who are extremely bright to homeschool those kids. They will get so much more than they ever will at school.
I made a special save group called "President Trumps IQ" for this post. Thank you OP.
This.
This was written by someone far smarter than me. And has the ability to explain something complex in words anyone can understand, another tell of how intelligent someone really is.
Our president is a man who has truly planned...God I dont know how many steps ahead. When I myself live mostly day to day. Despite the wealth of information and instruction available like Jordan Peterson's 12 rules for life.
What's truly difficult is taking action and continuing that action. This marathon, not a race, the man must be a channel for something bigger than himself. Or he's just a good businessman, intelligent enough to understand and listen so much that he's like a fighter who can lull his enemies into doing whatever dumb move he wants them to do.
That is mastery.
Smart people can just look at the results, the loyalty, the navigating of the worst minefield for any sitting politician and that he's in the spotlight 24 7 waiting for him to slip up, and he doesn't.
And realize they're watching a master at work
This is exactly what I've found too. I'm around 140 IQ after several tests over the span of my life all within +/- a few points - and most of my friends I am guessing are in the 120 range. Wouldnt you believe it, those are the people with the worst TDS, those are the people who bought the COVID and mask hysteria without a question asked because it was "science" [FRAUD] peddled to them by the establishment. Theyre terrified that the so called conspiracies, ie what is obvious to an intelligent person, could be true, so they double down on being proud sheep, and telling me that I'm crazy, delusional, or they try condescending me which doesnt go over well.
“I’m like really smart” - Trump
I agree.
I fly in the 140s.
I can see for miles.
Trump can see for miles and miles.
Heard it was 155
That is the cringiest quora thread I've seen thus far. It's hard for me to imagine these people are out there in the wild and are allowed to operate heavy machinery, breed, and vote.
This should be pinned to the side bar.
Fun to read. Inspiring...
High energy 4D chess player!
If ever a post needed the stable genius flare it is this one. Where is it?
Trump smart. I did it in 2 words or less I’m a 190 IQ. Is this a liberal who has just awoken from slumber? If they think he’s smart now just wait until after next week. Even MENSA WILL GO GAGA FOR MAGA!
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Best. President. Ever.
Quit after the first sentence.. IQ people always make it about them and then drone on about themselves..
Good point tbh. They sniff their own farts because they are good puzzle solvers. Also, it seems that nothing he mentions about Trump has to do with actual iq and more about social intelligence