Maybe relying on inmate fire crews for prevention and hand fighting the fires is not too smart. Especially when you early release a number of those inmates due to COVID.
No more cutbacks/firebreaks or undergrowth burns due to the "environmental damage" they cause, according to the feckless attorneys that argued against them.
Cali has had these fires every year for a century and had them under control, utilizing centuries old wildfire control practices.
It was Democrat politicians and attorneys that meddled in the fire prevention protocols and ignored the experts that warned them what would happen if they put their changes in place.
This disaster, leaving 200 people to die in a wildfire, was completely preventable. Think about that for a second and what that says about the state of California and their government.
None of this should be happening to this degree, IMO. The politicians they elected in California value the lives of their constituents less than those of the northern California reticulated chipmunk.
Not to be rude but Forest/Land Management is difficult. There are a lot of factors to consider when "cleaning" an ecosystem and essentially shaping it into what locals and/or "society" (non-locals) deem "safe".
I'm a Californian. I went to Sequoia National Park a couple years back and was pretty shocked to find out that the fire policy of their local Forest Management service was essentially to let it burn. After a major fire some decades back the local forest service changed policy to clear out overgrown brush frequently to prevent fires (which they did) then were surprised when the local ecosystem started dying out. Apparently the Sequoia seed pods need the heat from the fires to crack open their outer shells to release the seeds inside, while the ashen ground makes for fertile soil for the seeds to germinate/grow. Fires also aid with decomposing dying and weak plantlife to redirect soil resources toward the younger and hardier plants.
Natural fires are more essential to good land management than most would think. While I agree that excessively overgrown foliage/brush near a community should be avoided or carefully watched, I think we should be careful when underestimating an ecosystem's ability to maintain itself.
But to the point of this post - CalFire made a super dirtbag move by not taking action to save lives. What even is the point of funding them if they don't make an effort to do their #1 job?
It’s not hard. We do it all the fucking time in Arizona. It takes actual work and funding. Not some corrupt lazy ass hippies running the land management department.
All jokes aside, I can appreciate the intricacies of forest management and necessity of natural fire. I don’t pretend to be a naturalist or anything similar.
What I can say is, as a Californian, what we’re doing now isn’t working.
Every year the state burns up. Every year we set a new record for biggest fire. Every year we hear the same excuses. Muh PG&E. Muh “unseasonably hot” climate change. Muh drought. Every year we act surprised it happened. And every time we do the same thing the following year.
California is living the actual definition of insanity. And as far as I can tell it’s insane leftist environmental policy at fault.
Well maybe if Cali just did a controlled burn they wouldn't have that problem.
It's almost like all these issues were worked out a century ago and we already have solutions for them but the politicians in Cali know better.
They outlawed controlled burns due to fears from the impact of the carbon emissions on Earth's climate.
This isn't hard. There are places in the world that have worse wildfire issues than California that manage them just fine and do not allow them out of control.
Sure, every 50 years you get a set of circumstances just right for the holes in the Swiss cheese to line up and cause a wildfire to get out of control. But, if all the other fire prevention measures are still in place, the job to get a wildfire back in control is not such a losing proposition, as it stands for the firefighters in Cali right now.
I saw pics of firefighters flying in from Israel to help them.
How does that make a lick of sense?
If you see all of above, and still don't think this is primarily a political issue, then I can't help.
They outlawed controlled burns due to fears from the impact of the carbon emissions on Earth's climate.
lol, They did all this study to figure out that controlled fires were impacting carbon emissions; have they done a study to figure out if these huge fucking fires might be impacting the emissions MORE than the preventative ones?
Orange man bad. Climate warming or cooling but bad either way, too much water make plant grow. Too little water make plant burn. Orange man bad. People dead. Orange man bad.
Seriously? This was a bitch call by some losers on a radio. Don’t lump all of CalFire in with them. There are plenty of heroes in the CalFire ranks too.
Apparently, and I heard this a couple weeks ago, they let the inmates go from Calfire due to "Covid risk". And now they have record-breaking fires and resources are pulled to the absolute limit.
likely because they weren't "campers" but fugitives who were camping out in the woods hiding from the law. lots of homeless people are intentionally that way so they can pull up stakes and leave quickly.
People can be irrational and some folks are deathly afraid of flying and it only gets compounded by helicopters in those kinds of situations. Who knows why people make these kinds of decisions.
so many people in California feel handcuffed by the TERRIBLE "leadership" we have out here. but we are out here still fighting in a ground zero state... if we lose we lose with pride....pray for us.
If anything, it's more dangerous. Fires can make their own weather, poor visibility, thick smoke that can fuck up the engines if too much gets in, and the air itself is trying to kill you. The pilot said this was much more dangerous than being shot-at in the Middle East.
And if anything malfunctions, there won't be a rescue.
She has been SO looking forward to a chance to scold and screech about the climate again... 200 dead would have been perfect! Maybe enough to launch another world tour! Or win a bunch of prizes!
CalFire is not political and do a hell of a lot of good, sounds like they warned CANG that they couldn't go in and the National Guard dudes went in. CalFire couldn't get in on the ground.
simple if national guard comes in and do the job calcite look like clowns for saying its too dangerous. and obviously 200 ppl is a LOT of helicopter trips.
Way to go Cal NG!! Badass True Heroes. Probably 200 plus new Trump voters since Cal Fire left them for dead. Our Military is The Best in the World and always put their life on the line to leave no man behind. Outstanding
Can you link to a source where CalFire states they couldn't rescue them? I havev the Stars and Stripes link for the National Guard, I just want to be able to shutdown any leftist with a reliable link to the CalFire group saying they could not rescue them.
Can you ELI5 me on this comment?
Victims die, state can declare this the worst fire year ever, more funds to cal fire more propaganda from global warming.
Well it’s on us as Californians. We should have been raking up our leaves.
No seriously. Our forest management is a joke. Everything is way overgrown.
Maybe relying on inmate fire crews for prevention and hand fighting the fires is not too smart. Especially when you early release a number of those inmates due to COVID.
Prevention?
Cali stopped their prevention measures.
No more cutbacks/firebreaks or undergrowth burns due to the "environmental damage" they cause, according to the feckless attorneys that argued against them.
Cali has had these fires every year for a century and had them under control, utilizing centuries old wildfire control practices.
It was Democrat politicians and attorneys that meddled in the fire prevention protocols and ignored the experts that warned them what would happen if they put their changes in place.
This disaster, leaving 200 people to die in a wildfire, was completely preventable. Think about that for a second and what that says about the state of California and their government.
None of this should be happening to this degree, IMO. The politicians they elected in California value the lives of their constituents less than those of the northern California reticulated chipmunk.
Not to be rude but Forest/Land Management is difficult. There are a lot of factors to consider when "cleaning" an ecosystem and essentially shaping it into what locals and/or "society" (non-locals) deem "safe".
I'm a Californian. I went to Sequoia National Park a couple years back and was pretty shocked to find out that the fire policy of their local Forest Management service was essentially to let it burn. After a major fire some decades back the local forest service changed policy to clear out overgrown brush frequently to prevent fires (which they did) then were surprised when the local ecosystem started dying out. Apparently the Sequoia seed pods need the heat from the fires to crack open their outer shells to release the seeds inside, while the ashen ground makes for fertile soil for the seeds to germinate/grow. Fires also aid with decomposing dying and weak plantlife to redirect soil resources toward the younger and hardier plants.
Natural fires are more essential to good land management than most would think. While I agree that excessively overgrown foliage/brush near a community should be avoided or carefully watched, I think we should be careful when underestimating an ecosystem's ability to maintain itself.
But to the point of this post - CalFire made a super dirtbag move by not taking action to save lives. What even is the point of funding them if they don't make an effort to do their #1 job?
It’s not hard. We do it all the fucking time in Arizona. It takes actual work and funding. Not some corrupt lazy ass hippies running the land management department.
All jokes aside, I can appreciate the intricacies of forest management and necessity of natural fire. I don’t pretend to be a naturalist or anything similar.
What I can say is, as a Californian, what we’re doing now isn’t working. Every year the state burns up. Every year we set a new record for biggest fire. Every year we hear the same excuses. Muh PG&E. Muh “unseasonably hot” climate change. Muh drought. Every year we act surprised it happened. And every time we do the same thing the following year.
California is living the actual definition of insanity. And as far as I can tell it’s insane leftist environmental policy at fault.
Sounds like controlled burns would still work...
Well maybe if Cali just did a controlled burn they wouldn't have that problem.
It's almost like all these issues were worked out a century ago and we already have solutions for them but the politicians in Cali know better.
They outlawed controlled burns due to fears from the impact of the carbon emissions on Earth's climate.
This isn't hard. There are places in the world that have worse wildfire issues than California that manage them just fine and do not allow them out of control.
Sure, every 50 years you get a set of circumstances just right for the holes in the Swiss cheese to line up and cause a wildfire to get out of control. But, if all the other fire prevention measures are still in place, the job to get a wildfire back in control is not such a losing proposition, as it stands for the firefighters in Cali right now.
I saw pics of firefighters flying in from Israel to help them.
How does that make a lick of sense?
If you see all of above, and still don't think this is primarily a political issue, then I can't help.
lol, They did all this study to figure out that controlled fires were impacting carbon emissions; have they done a study to figure out if these huge fucking fires might be impacting the emissions MORE than the preventative ones?
I mean, even shit hole countries have figured out how to prevent brush fires from destroying everything every year my guy...
nearby after last year fire they cut all the brush every month. then they stopped since covid.
Orange man bad. Climate warming or cooling but bad either way, too much water make plant grow. Too little water make plant burn. Orange man bad. People dead. Orange man bad.
Found don lemons alt account
Found Webster Hubbell's alt account.
Orange fire bad! Orange man bad!
Same thing Cuomo did with the old people in NY.
The Nursing Home Manson
Problem, reaction, solution.
We know blame was gonna go someplace [insert Trump open arms pic + Trump supporter]
Seriously? This was a bitch call by some losers on a radio. Don’t lump all of CalFire in with them. There are plenty of heroes in the CalFire ranks too.
CalFire... Fuck them,just another 200 Covid deaths. CA National Guard...We leave NOBODY behind...Love our Warriors...
How pissed would you be if this happened to you. They just called for your death on the alter of... environmentalism? I think.
I'd become a little belligerent at that point when tax day came around
Isn’t cal fire staffed with inmates? I thought that’s why we allowed them into the program so they can risk their lives to help fight fires
Apparently, and I heard this a couple weeks ago, they let the inmates go from Calfire due to "Covid risk". And now they have record-breaking fires and resources are pulled to the absolute limit.
Trump should invite them to the White House for a Unit Citation and medals for bravery. Stick it up Newsome’s ass
And Chick-Fil-A & 5Guys
Trump needs to get these heroes to the White House!!!
This so much!
Absolutely. These are people everyone can be proud of
Yes, even Cali has heroes. Many thanks.
God bless these brave men for saving the lives of 200 people written off by a group in CA who has no apparent value for life.
...except their own.
https://www.stripes.com/news/us/military-helicopters-rescue-more-than-200-people-trapped-by-wildfire-in-california-1.644121
Why the hell would anyone refuse rescue under those conditions?
Some people are just nuts. Hope they got their names so they can notify next of kin.
likely because they weren't "campers" but fugitives who were camping out in the woods hiding from the law. lots of homeless people are intentionally that way so they can pull up stakes and leave quickly.
People can be irrational and some folks are deathly afraid of flying and it only gets compounded by helicopters in those kinds of situations. Who knows why people make these kinds of decisions.
Because they started it or because one of them was missing?
They were taking pets and several trios. Not overloaded.
Nah
I’d say their fate was extra crispy.
It’s sad that people are this stubborn and stupid, what a terrible way to die if that’s what happened.
Hardcore Liberals I’d bet
It makes ya wonder
When someone says get in the chopper you get in the fucking chopper.
Unless you're a commie.
Actually on second thought, they especially must get in the fucking chopper.
so many people in California feel handcuffed by the TERRIBLE "leadership" we have out here. but we are out here still fighting in a ground zero state... if we lose we lose with pride....pray for us.
Defund calfire
God bless our service men and women. Amazing what dedicated personnel can do in spite of all odds and literally in the line of fire.
How did they fly those choppers with all that added testicle weight? Amazing.
They want us all dead. You will be left to decide if it's worth it to save your neighbors life.
If anything, it's more dangerous. Fires can make their own weather, poor visibility, thick smoke that can fuck up the engines if too much gets in, and the air itself is trying to kill you. The pilot said this was much more dangerous than being shot-at in the Middle East.
And if anything malfunctions, there won't be a rescue.
https://www.stripes.com/news/us/military-helicopters-rescue-more-than-200-people-trapped-by-wildfire-in-california-1.644121
He was comparing this to Iraq/Afghanistan, not Vietnam....
But yes--- what you said jives with stuff I've heard elsewhere. What are good books to read about Vietnam helicopter operations?
Real Hillary move from calfire with the stand down orders
It sounds that someone wanted to sacrifice 200 people to the altar of Climate Change religion.. or Cremation of Care ritual?
Lives Matter!
Damn that is amazing shit.
Actually... I am just here to thank you for your username.
Gotta do what Reddit would never stand for
These soldiers should be commended. This is what valor looks like.
Awesome work NG!! Calfire FU! The need for dead & desire for death is beyond disgusting!! Sacrifice Much?!
HOW DARE YOU!
--- the Grinch
She has been SO looking forward to a chance to scold and screech about the climate again... 200 dead would have been perfect! Maybe enough to launch another world tour! Or win a bunch of prizes!
CalFire is not political and do a hell of a lot of good, sounds like they warned CANG that they couldn't go in and the National Guard dudes went in. CalFire couldn't get in on the ground.
Point taken and don't know anything about JRQTV. The Guard did save the day, though.
https://www.stripes.com/news/us/military-helicopters-rescue-more-than-200-people-trapped-by-wildfire-in-california-1.644121
Call of Duty: Portland side mission DLC is fucking awesome this year
Time to stop paying California taxes
simple if national guard comes in and do the job calcite look like clowns for saying its too dangerous. and obviously 200 ppl is a LOT of helicopter trips.
tldr:
calfire 🤡
national guard 🇺🇸
Why the fuck you using nvg's in that shit? Fuckin weekend warriors. Jk ladies and gents good job. Hooouah
Amazing heroes the NG was wow
CalFire was probably too busy trying to get out of paying their cell phone bill.
https://youtu.be/3Vy2CdUqYa8 Video from one of the pickups.
Need more footage!
Cal fire is a bunch of pussies with no sacks. Cal NG on the other hand have balls of steel and should tea bag cal fire! Way to go CA NG!
I’m guessing CalFire was flying Kobe’s helicopter with how shit they are with flying in smoke.
Hell yeah!!!
The pilots and crews should all be awarded medals for bravery!
Real. American. Heros'.
That is the most badass thing I've read to day. Fuck yeah National guard!
Seems almost identical to Benghazi, except for one crucial difference.
Man that pisses me off.
BIG DICK DRAGON ENERGY RIGHT HERE!!!! GJ BOIS!!!!!
WTH
Calfire?? More like ISIS
Good to see the NG is down to do their job. Yet another great example of why people don't trust the government- the only exception being the military.
Way to go Cal NG!! Badass True Heroes. Probably 200 plus new Trump voters since Cal Fire left them for dead. Our Military is The Best in the World and always put their life on the line to leave no man behind. Outstanding
This is called "having a spine."
Extremely proud of those brave NG service members who flew in taking that risk.
Can you link to a source where CalFire states they couldn't rescue them? I havev the Stars and Stripes link for the National Guard, I just want to be able to shutdown any leftist with a reliable link to the CalFire group saying they could not rescue them.
video doesn't exist