Sorry, you show remarkable civility. It puts me to shame and I know I deserve it for being so involved in the topic to be as hostile as I was. I apologize.
We may agree on most things, but we seem to disagree on the topic that is wedging this nation apart - Nature vs Nurture. An argument as old as time, Nature vs Nurture has always stirred up debate as to the share of influence each one has, but to insist that Nature has NO influence on behavior/intelligence is extremism on a historically recognizable level.
The notion that there is no difference between the races and that "we are all the same" is the swan song that Globalism has used since 1965 to push mass immigration and condemn every movement that has dared to preserve white culture. Your stance is the same one championed by the Left to erode the ideological foundation of America through both demographic change and the suppression of racial awareness. You would do well to remember that the Founding Fathers recognized the part that biology played in the founding and direction of the nation. White landowning males only were to vote. Such a thing is unthinkable today, but it ensured that only those with "skin in the game" (both hereditary and financial) could determine the direction of the nation, and it indisputably guided us through our formative years. The results of all policies implemented from your stance have resulted only in cultural friction, crime, and suffering. By what results do you justify your beliefs as valid? Genetics and psychology certainly don't justify them.
The root of your argument seems to be a cautionary one that seeks to prevent people from viewing difference with hatred, but to insist that the difference doesn't exist in the first place is a denial of natural reality. To seek to erase those differences that nature bestowed upon us, through the aforementioned policies, is a perversion of nature that I can't tolerate (not that you do, but that is the action being taken by those with the power to take your stance in earnest stride).
I am still of the stance that character is more valuable than race, but that doesn't motivate me to entirely dismiss or seek to destroy natural diversity to protect the emotions of those who may be perceived as 'inferior' when a civilization is allowed to maintain racial awareness. To deny Nature's role in molding humanity entirely is absolute, and such an absolute belief has never aligned with the right wing, nor with 99.9% of humans to ever live and die since the dawn of civilization. It is on those grounds of absolute and historically unprecedented belief that I condemned you earlier.
Props to you for backing up. Tough to do when you’ve come on strong. Thanks for that.
Nature vs Nurture has always stirred up debate as to the share of influence each one has, but to insist that Nature has NO influence on behavior/intelligence is extremism on a historically recognizable level.
If that’s what you think I was saying, no wonder you were pissed. Twin studies on intelligence suggest roughly 50% of variability is driven by genetics (nature), where the other 50% has to do with socialization, early effective exposure to stimulating things, etc. Aka nurture. Both are big factors. Genetic heritage matters, but there is a huge influence of social impact. There’s nothing you can do about genetics, so I will always put primacy on nurture since it’s what we have power over. Skin color is one aspect of genetics, so I acknowledge and move on to more important things, namely, is someone a member of a thug and criminal culture? Do they hate America? These matter far more.
Sorry, you show remarkable civility. It puts me to shame and I know I deserve it for being so involved in the topic to be as hostile as I was. I apologize.
We may agree on most things, but we seem to disagree on the topic that is wedging this nation apart - Nature vs Nurture. An argument as old as time, Nature vs Nurture has always stirred up debate as to the share of influence each one has, but to insist that Nature has NO influence on behavior/intelligence is extremism on a historically recognizable level.
The notion that there is no difference between the races and that "we are all the same" is the swan song that Globalism has used since 1965 to push mass immigration and condemn every movement that has dared to preserve white culture. Your stance is the same one championed by the Left to erode the ideological foundation of America through both demographic change and the suppression of racial awareness. You would do well to remember that the Founding Fathers recognized the part that biology played in the founding and direction of the nation. White landowning males only were to vote. Such a thing is unthinkable today, but it ensured that only those with "skin in the game" (both hereditary and financial) could determine the direction of the nation, and it indisputably guided us through our formative years. The results of all policies implemented from your stance have resulted only in cultural friction, crime, and suffering. By what results do you justify your beliefs as valid? Genetics and psychology certainly don't justify them.
The root of your argument seems to be a cautionary one that seeks to prevent people from viewing difference with hatred, but to insist that the difference doesn't exist in the first place is a denial of natural reality. To seek to erase those differences that nature bestowed upon us, through the aforementioned policies, is a perversion of nature that I can't tolerate (not that you do, but that is the action being taken by those with the power to take your stance in earnest stride).
I am still of the stance that character is more valuable than race, but that doesn't motivate me to entirely dismiss or seek to destroy natural diversity to protect the emotions of those who may be perceived as 'inferior' when a civilization is allowed to maintain racial awareness. To deny Nature's role in molding humanity entirely is absolute, and such an absolute belief has never aligned with the right wing, nor with 99.9% of humans to ever live and die since the dawn of civilization. It is on those grounds of absolute and historically unprecedented belief that I condemned you earlier.
Props to you for backing up. Tough to do when you’ve come on strong. Thanks for that.
If that’s what you think I was saying, no wonder you were pissed. Twin studies on intelligence suggest roughly 50% of variability is driven by genetics (nature), where the other 50% has to do with socialization, early effective exposure to stimulating things, etc. Aka nurture. Both are big factors. Genetic heritage matters, but there is a huge influence of social impact. There’s nothing you can do about genetics, so I will always put primacy on nurture since it’s what we have power over. Skin color is one aspect of genetics, so I acknowledge and move on to more important things, namely, is someone a member of a thug and criminal culture? Do they hate America? These matter far more.