Morally there's no difference between Bush letting it happen (which I don't believe) or controlled demolition, which could happen without his knowledge.
There were planes, certainly. How do you know there was no controlled demolition? WTC 7 there certainly was. One of the towers had a work crew working on the very floors that were hit, using materials needed for controlled demolition but not needed for the balcony they were supposedly building. This seems pretty fishy to me.
There was no time to rig up the towers for demolition after being hit and before collapse, clearly. Any of that wouldve had to have been done beforehand. In the following 5 hours I certainly wouldn't have wanted to be working in #7, which suggests it was rigged to be "pullled" ahead of time. Why not the other tower?
I'm not convinced, either way. All footage has apparently been doctored. All the explosions that look like controlled demolition could be faked on video, Idk. I'd like an explanation for them that doesn't involve being deliberate, and there don't seem to be any.
This "enough to collapse" part; every engineer that's studied it apart from the official account says no way possible for that to happen. What bias or motive do they have for lying?
Thanks for taking the time to create this response! This is what reasonable discussion looks like :)
Starting with your last link, info that's new to me: 2700 degrees F, "locally." It doesn't say how long that highest temperature could be sustained but it's a long way from the previous upper limit I'd seen of 1500 F or so. Molten aluminum interacting with water storage tanks for the sprinkler system is new info to me. I didn't realize they used storage tanks, I thought they were just pipes. The guy who wrote the official explanation doesn't like this at all which is understandable, but he makes the predictable mistake of trying to compare spraying water from a hose onto molten aluminum to the same aluminum hitting a tank of water instead; the two events are not comparable. Hitting a pipe would be the same as the same size firehose, which could turn the water into steam such that the aluminum never contacts water.
This provides the missing ingredient of what got things moving in the first place.
It also addresses the 1600 professionals who studied this far longer than the official version ever did, and concluded no way in hell could their claim happen.
I do appreciate this article talking about explosions one floor below the fire. I always allowed for that. It's the series of explosions 30+ floors away from the fire right before the collapse starts that looks exactly like controlled demolition, which I have seen. They wouldn't be set off by fire. It is possible that all the footage is doctored. It doesn't make sense to me that those explosions would be signs of load bearing stress.
That's a dramatic pic of the top of the tower at it's furthest extent of tilt, which is honestly the main thing that made me question what was happening as I saw it. What leveled that off? Gravity would've only accelerated that horrible angle, not brought it back to level.
Realize that at that time no steel framed building had collapsed due to fire, ever. One simply can't claim "you can see clearly this building isn't going to make it." The reporter certainly has no basis for making that statement, other than fear based on what had just happened.
In terms of emotions, it certainly should make us all ill to realize our government is evil enough to kill us. 50 x the death count of 9/11 they've done exactly that with CCPvirus, and not just some shady unknown DS creatures, but our Governors, Mayors, and public health Officials, who clearly have done the exact opposite of caring for the public well being. This was obvious in March. The Governor of SD proved one Governor can stand up to all the bureaucracy and win, and she kept the State's death rate per infection 12x lower than the National average back when that was high. Following Dr Z's protocol results in the death rate being 38 x lower. We've still done nothing to stop this ongoing problem, and the election won't change it no matter the results. This is more important than masks.
Morally there's no difference between Bush letting it happen (which I don't believe) or controlled demolition, which could happen without his knowledge.
There were planes, certainly. How do you know there was no controlled demolition? WTC 7 there certainly was. One of the towers had a work crew working on the very floors that were hit, using materials needed for controlled demolition but not needed for the balcony they were supposedly building. This seems pretty fishy to me.
There was no time to rig up the towers for demolition after being hit and before collapse, clearly. Any of that wouldve had to have been done beforehand. In the following 5 hours I certainly wouldn't have wanted to be working in #7, which suggests it was rigged to be "pullled" ahead of time. Why not the other tower?
I'm not convinced, either way. All footage has apparently been doctored. All the explosions that look like controlled demolition could be faked on video, Idk. I'd like an explanation for them that doesn't involve being deliberate, and there don't seem to be any.
This "enough to collapse" part; every engineer that's studied it apart from the official account says no way possible for that to happen. What bias or motive do they have for lying?
What damage do you see that leads to collapse?
Thanks for taking the time to create this response! This is what reasonable discussion looks like :)
Starting with your last link, info that's new to me: 2700 degrees F, "locally." It doesn't say how long that highest temperature could be sustained but it's a long way from the previous upper limit I'd seen of 1500 F or so. Molten aluminum interacting with water storage tanks for the sprinkler system is new info to me. I didn't realize they used storage tanks, I thought they were just pipes. The guy who wrote the official explanation doesn't like this at all which is understandable, but he makes the predictable mistake of trying to compare spraying water from a hose onto molten aluminum to the same aluminum hitting a tank of water instead; the two events are not comparable. Hitting a pipe would be the same as the same size firehose, which could turn the water into steam such that the aluminum never contacts water.
This provides the missing ingredient of what got things moving in the first place. It also addresses the 1600 professionals who studied this far longer than the official version ever did, and concluded no way in hell could their claim happen.
I do appreciate this article talking about explosions one floor below the fire. I always allowed for that. It's the series of explosions 30+ floors away from the fire right before the collapse starts that looks exactly like controlled demolition, which I have seen. They wouldn't be set off by fire. It is possible that all the footage is doctored. It doesn't make sense to me that those explosions would be signs of load bearing stress.
That's a dramatic pic of the top of the tower at it's furthest extent of tilt, which is honestly the main thing that made me question what was happening as I saw it. What leveled that off? Gravity would've only accelerated that horrible angle, not brought it back to level.
Realize that at that time no steel framed building had collapsed due to fire, ever. One simply can't claim "you can see clearly this building isn't going to make it." The reporter certainly has no basis for making that statement, other than fear based on what had just happened.
In terms of emotions, it certainly should make us all ill to realize our government is evil enough to kill us. 50 x the death count of 9/11 they've done exactly that with CCPvirus, and not just some shady unknown DS creatures, but our Governors, Mayors, and public health Officials, who clearly have done the exact opposite of caring for the public well being. This was obvious in March. The Governor of SD proved one Governor can stand up to all the bureaucracy and win, and she kept the State's death rate per infection 12x lower than the National average back when that was high. Following Dr Z's protocol results in the death rate being 38 x lower. We've still done nothing to stop this ongoing problem, and the election won't change it no matter the results. This is more important than masks.
Stupidest, gayest thing you could ever say.