These people want to put historical movements in convenient little ideological boxes in order to promote their modern politics. It's simply the dumbing down of history for personal gain.
The modern "right" is nowhere close to the Nazi party in terms of authoritarianism, centralization and freedom of expression. People saying otherwise are hacks who are trying to conflate "the right" with "bad guy"
Honest question: have you read Mein Kampf? In it, Hitler very clearly states that he hated the communists and formed the Nazi party to create a counter to them. He designed the Nazi flag as an opposing flag to the communists who were running all over Berlin and who had control of the press.
I’m not saying the nazis were left or right; I don’t know enough really to verify either. What I do know is that Hitler was adamantly opposed to the Jewish communists who were pushing every form of debauchery, sexual deviancy, drugs, etc and had as their stated goal to destroy the German family. The famous book burning that gets people so excited was the burning of pornography and communist propaganda. For the doubters reading this, remember the victors write history but the words of the man himself, Hitler in this case, are self evident.
Also, I’m writing this after your edit indicating a leftist has entered the chat. I’m not even close to a leftist. I’m buckled in tight on the Trump train and have been from the beginning.
Nazis were socialists. Hitler was poor his whole life until he came to power. His base were the workers of Germany. My grandpa was a big supporter of Hitler before 1939 (start of WW2). Almost everyone was supporting the Nazis before the war, because the NSDAP created jobs and restored national pride after the deeply unjust and humiliating peace treaty of Versailles. This support waned as the war went along, but then it was too late. There was no room left for any opposition.
But it is also true that the Nazis were strictly against Communism. Nazis never believed that private property is theft, similar to today’s social democrats in Europe, who aren’t against private property either.
I think a lot of this comes from the misconception that the political spectrum has fascism on the far right and socialism on the far left. That spectrum makes no sense because socialism is it's own brand of fascism. The real spectrum is fascism on the far left and no government at all on the far right. The small government types sit more in the middle.
Hitler said that the Marxists stole the word "Socialism" and that he was reclaiming it. Read what Hitler said about Hitler rather than what your HS teacher said about Hitler.
This exactly. Mein Kampf is a very surprising book. The similarities of prewar Germany to the current situations of today are uncanny. Also surprisingly, you’ll find a character of intellect, thought, compassion, curiosity, and a passion for the German family and culture. This book is not the tome of a raving madman.
The Germans were instituting a nationalist socialism, then they were going to take over the world and force it upon the world. The Democrat Socialists in America want to have a globalist socialism, forcing America to submit to the world (EU, UN, etc...)
Both are left-leaning ideologies (state takes power). Both are bad.
Man. Even by the low standards of Snopes, that's a pretty poorly written article. Socialists and nazis are both collectivist and totalitarian. The difference (in as much as theory goes, in practice, a cutaway of the Soviet economy is indistinguishable from a cutaway of the Nazi economy) is that the Nazis thought the classes were ethnic-based whereas the Soviets thought the classes were wealth-based.
I think where the "Nazis are right wing" get their argument (although good luck sussing it out the article linked here) is that Nazis did hold some social values which are now right-wing nationalism (of course), religion, the like. I'm not 100% that these values are historically right, I want to say that in the 20s and 30s they were universals; only with the rise of world wide communism did they remain in only the right side of the spectrum. I could be wrong here, though.
Besides, this is a cheap goal post shift. They start out saying that sure economically the Nazis are fully left wing, but socially there's some right-wing stuff about them, so they're right. But Socialism(tm) doesn't have a social policy, so of course they're not going to be able to match up. The Bolsheviks and the Soviets and the Khmer Rouge have social policies, does Nazism resemble those or does it resemble the modern day Republican party?
Hmmm socialism is full, 100% economic planning by one central power, which requires 100% control of people. What you eat, how much you eat, and when to eat can be decided by The Committee, to ensure there is equity for all. If you steal from a state owned factory, which has state quotas, regulations, etc, you are stealing from the state, which planned everything "for you," so the knife will be dug in for stealing, then twisted for interrupting the Plan.
Same with fascism. As I understand it, Nazis took offense that Soviets were okay with abortions since the bodies of people were themselves property of the state.
Same shit I've heard. The DPRK isn't really commuinst. The CCP isn't really communist. The Nazis weren't really socialist. On and on it goes. Then at the same time they use fascism as a catchall term regardless if it actually correct or not.
The Soviets called anyone they didn't control Fascists. It doesn't matter what flavor of of communist or socialist you were, you either followed the party line or they labeled you Fascist. Same now. Everyone who doesn't agree with me is a Fascist.
The BS leftist spew as information, just boggles my mind. Worse yet, their idiot followers & wanna-be lefties gobble this crap up as if it is gospel...STUPID!!!
I told my dad these young kids think Nazis were capitalists and he was shocked.
Also...the nazis, didn't like the church or God, wanted the state "community" to raise the kids aka hitler youth. Practiced in the occult. Believed and condoned abortion especially for jews..had free health care, free school, free child care, encouraged women to work, nationalized many businesses, seized property from the jews (who they thought were the oppressors and were privileged). Hitler also believed all Germans should make the same regardless of their job because they should all work together as one. This can all be found in his speeches and records.... Who does ALL of that sound like?
"But the Germans loved their country! They were right ring!" 🤪🤡🌍
Lefties and Commies always try to confuse 2 different spectrums. Liberal vs. Authoritarian and Free vs Controlled (free vs planned economy) fiscal policy. Natzi’s were far right as it goes to authoritarianism but left on fiscal policy. While Natzi’s let people own their businesses, the government came it to tell them how to run them and non-cooperation resulted in execution or a trip to the labor camp. Commies in the soviet union just violently took private property and had soviet councils run businesses. The difference is slight but in both cases business operated purely on the whim of the government and Germany like the Soviet Union at the time has price controls. The soviet union was also an authoritarian government, so far-right on this spectrum.
Trumpism is slightly left on social policy, closer to classical liberalism than authoritarianism. Hell Trump won’t allow feds to intervene in state/city issues without them requesting help. Trumps policy that each new regulation requires canceling 3 regulations shows he does not prefer authoritarian policy, rather more liberal. Preference not to involve the Us in foreign conflicts also shows the approach is not authoritarian, as authoritarian governments use force to implement policy, be it internal or external. Natzi’s for instance, and the soviets.
On fiscal policy Trumpism leans right, but not far right. Federal Covid stimulus checks and unemployment Payments show Trumpism is not pure capitalist idiology as the state is allowed to involve itself in the markets. Tariffs as well are counter to far right capitalism. Requiring healthcare providers to disclose pricing publicly is another example as well as first preferred nations clauses on medications.
The above are leftist Controlled market policies policies but they are balanced out with the right leaning push to reduce and remove government taxation on wages and businesses. Overall Trumpism is Center Right, as many other policies lean on individual success and a reluctance on increasing social spending, rather preferring individuals make the decision where money should be spent, school choice is an example of this.
Then of course you have the nationalist vs globalist spectrum. Trumpism is on the nationalist side while for instance Soviet ideology was international communism. Natzi’s were national Socialists, as opposed to globalist Socialists. Globalism vs Nationalism has nothing to do with authoritarianism or planned market policy, though Natzi’s had this trifecta.
Obama’s globalism was authoritarian globalism and he pushed elements of controlled markets on the US economy. Heavy influence on foreign nations and use of violence and threats (Biden threatening the Ukrane to withhold a billion in aid for instance). Libya and Syria is another example of authoritarian globalism and I’m pretty sure US intel agencies we involved in the Arab Spring.
I mean that's what's plastered all over their sites, too, except not in a fashion of admiration. Nazis and Trump supporters are two different groups of people that would only overlap in the mind of someone who's pretty confused.
Had to ask one of them recently why they even bother hanging out on a site that supports a President who has the most pro-Israel track record in recent history, who also has a daughter that converted to Judaism?
Just like how Communists deserve free chopper flights, so do (actual) Nazis.
Yes because the National Socialist German Workers' Party were all for right wing policies like small government, free speech, private gun ownership, treating all races equally and anti-union right?... Real individualists those goose stepping brown shirts.
Ive said this before, but having the right have both limited government and a centrally planned government on both sides of thd spectrum does not make any sense. The rights extreme would be no government, the lefts extreme would be total government. Catholics and protestants fought each other and theyre the same religion, shia and shiite are also the same religion, communist and fascist fight but this time its over a different method of totalitarianism: one has socialism with corporation tentacles still answering to the central government planners, the other has departments of the government producing and answering to the central government powers.
The Left: "Ummm... sweaty, 'antifa' just means 'anti-fascist' so if you don't like antifa, you're pro-fascism lol"
Also The Left: "Ummm... the nsdap wasn't ackshually socialist, that was just clever marketing, now please pay no mind to their 25-point program or Mussolini's history of supporting socialism"
Just because people who today lay claim to the mantle of socialism have different ideas about how to implement it and for whom, doesn't mean that the Nazis weren't socialist. Big-government aficionados aren't identical, just as libertarians often disagree with each about how small government should work.
“ However, the assumption that because the word “socialist” appeared in the party’s name and socialist words and ideas popped up in the writings and speeches of top Nazis then the Nazis must have been actual socialists is naive and ahistorical. What the evidence shows, on the contrary, is that Nazi Party leaders paid mere lip service to socialist ideals on the way to achieving their one true goal: raw, totalitarian power.”
This is an accidental admission of the ugly truth about socialism (ALL SOCIALISM). Well done Snopes. Just because they say socialist words and ideas, all they really care about is power.
These people want to put historical movements in convenient little ideological boxes in order to promote their modern politics. It's simply the dumbing down of history for personal gain.
The modern "right" is nowhere close to the Nazi party in terms of authoritarianism, centralization and freedom of expression. People saying otherwise are hacks who are trying to conflate "the right" with "bad guy"
This article explains it well, it's all propaganda:
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html
Also, why didn't they put the Kaiser back in power? Right wing Germans were monarchists back then.
Even the Kaiser didn't like Hitler, guess he could smell a soyboy from a mile away.
No. Hitler was a socialist. Socialism. Is not good for any country. If you like socialism then you are in the wrong place.
Merkel was an east german stasi member, wasnt she? Im also extremely ignorant of most european politics as well.
Honest question: have you read Mein Kampf? In it, Hitler very clearly states that he hated the communists and formed the Nazi party to create a counter to them. He designed the Nazi flag as an opposing flag to the communists who were running all over Berlin and who had control of the press.
I’m not saying the nazis were left or right; I don’t know enough really to verify either. What I do know is that Hitler was adamantly opposed to the Jewish communists who were pushing every form of debauchery, sexual deviancy, drugs, etc and had as their stated goal to destroy the German family. The famous book burning that gets people so excited was the burning of pornography and communist propaganda. For the doubters reading this, remember the victors write history but the words of the man himself, Hitler in this case, are self evident.
Also, I’m writing this after your edit indicating a leftist has entered the chat. I’m not even close to a leftist. I’m buckled in tight on the Trump train and have been from the beginning.
Nazis want one nation to rule, communists want one government to rule.
never heard a more socialist sounding party name
also... BLM
In Hitler's personal letters he writes how it was ironic that he got the bulk of his ideology from Marx, considering he hated the guy.
Nazis were socialists. Hitler was poor his whole life until he came to power. His base were the workers of Germany. My grandpa was a big supporter of Hitler before 1939 (start of WW2). Almost everyone was supporting the Nazis before the war, because the NSDAP created jobs and restored national pride after the deeply unjust and humiliating peace treaty of Versailles. This support waned as the war went along, but then it was too late. There was no room left for any opposition.
But it is also true that the Nazis were strictly against Communism. Nazis never believed that private property is theft, similar to today’s social democrats in Europe, who aren’t against private property either.
If someone ever tells you the nazis werent socialists ask them which of Bernie's plans didnt they implement. They melt down.
I swear, I could do a better job of bringing communism to America, because these people are absolutely retarded
They most certainly were.
What kind of idiots get their history from Snopes?
They completely took over industries. They promised the German people the moon.
And somehow a bunch of these shills can be found on TD.win slobbering on nazi cocks.
I think a lot of this comes from the misconception that the political spectrum has fascism on the far right and socialism on the far left. That spectrum makes no sense because socialism is it's own brand of fascism. The real spectrum is fascism on the far left and no government at all on the far right. The small government types sit more in the middle.
100% correct: https://youtu.be/tIl57cchRqs?t=505
"None Dare Call it Conspiracy" talks about this the uniparty, and more and it was written in the 70s.
Hitler said that the Marxists stole the word "Socialism" and that he was reclaiming it. Read what Hitler said about Hitler rather than what your HS teacher said about Hitler.
*Mein Kampf.
This exactly. Mein Kampf is a very surprising book. The similarities of prewar Germany to the current situations of today are uncanny. Also surprisingly, you’ll find a character of intellect, thought, compassion, curiosity, and a passion for the German family and culture. This book is not the tome of a raving madman.
This. Further, it doesn't tell of his plan to "Conquer the World."
The Germans were instituting a nationalist socialism, then they were going to take over the world and force it upon the world. The Democrat Socialists in America want to have a globalist socialism, forcing America to submit to the world (EU, UN, etc...)
Both are left-leaning ideologies (state takes power). Both are bad.
Man. Even by the low standards of Snopes, that's a pretty poorly written article. Socialists and nazis are both collectivist and totalitarian. The difference (in as much as theory goes, in practice, a cutaway of the Soviet economy is indistinguishable from a cutaway of the Nazi economy) is that the Nazis thought the classes were ethnic-based whereas the Soviets thought the classes were wealth-based.
I think where the "Nazis are right wing" get their argument (although good luck sussing it out the article linked here) is that Nazis did hold some social values which are now right-wing nationalism (of course), religion, the like. I'm not 100% that these values are historically right, I want to say that in the 20s and 30s they were universals; only with the rise of world wide communism did they remain in only the right side of the spectrum. I could be wrong here, though.
Besides, this is a cheap goal post shift. They start out saying that sure economically the Nazis are fully left wing, but socially there's some right-wing stuff about them, so they're right. But Socialism(tm) doesn't have a social policy, so of course they're not going to be able to match up. The Bolsheviks and the Soviets and the Khmer Rouge have social policies, does Nazism resemble those or does it resemble the modern day Republican party?
Hmmm socialism is full, 100% economic planning by one central power, which requires 100% control of people. What you eat, how much you eat, and when to eat can be decided by The Committee, to ensure there is equity for all. If you steal from a state owned factory, which has state quotas, regulations, etc, you are stealing from the state, which planned everything "for you," so the knife will be dug in for stealing, then twisted for interrupting the Plan.
Same with fascism. As I understand it, Nazis took offense that Soviets were okay with abortions since the bodies of people were themselves property of the state.
Same shit I've heard. The DPRK isn't really commuinst. The CCP isn't really communist. The Nazis weren't really socialist. On and on it goes. Then at the same time they use fascism as a catchall term regardless if it actually correct or not.
The Soviets called anyone they didn't control Fascists. It doesn't matter what flavor of of communist or socialist you were, you either followed the party line or they labeled you Fascist. Same now. Everyone who doesn't agree with me is a Fascist.
We need a fact checker site for Snopes.
The BS leftist spew as information, just boggles my mind. Worse yet, their idiot followers & wanna-be lefties gobble this crap up as if it is gospel...STUPID!!!
I told my dad these young kids think Nazis were capitalists and he was shocked.
Also...the nazis, didn't like the church or God, wanted the state "community" to raise the kids aka hitler youth. Practiced in the occult. Believed and condoned abortion especially for jews..had free health care, free school, free child care, encouraged women to work, nationalized many businesses, seized property from the jews (who they thought were the oppressors and were privileged). Hitler also believed all Germans should make the same regardless of their job because they should all work together as one. This can all be found in his speeches and records.... Who does ALL of that sound like?
"But the Germans loved their country! They were right ring!" 🤪🤡🌍
There's literally a quote from mein kampf where hitler reaffirms that he's a socialist JFC...
Lefties and Commies always try to confuse 2 different spectrums. Liberal vs. Authoritarian and Free vs Controlled (free vs planned economy) fiscal policy. Natzi’s were far right as it goes to authoritarianism but left on fiscal policy. While Natzi’s let people own their businesses, the government came it to tell them how to run them and non-cooperation resulted in execution or a trip to the labor camp. Commies in the soviet union just violently took private property and had soviet councils run businesses. The difference is slight but in both cases business operated purely on the whim of the government and Germany like the Soviet Union at the time has price controls. The soviet union was also an authoritarian government, so far-right on this spectrum.
Trumpism is slightly left on social policy, closer to classical liberalism than authoritarianism. Hell Trump won’t allow feds to intervene in state/city issues without them requesting help. Trumps policy that each new regulation requires canceling 3 regulations shows he does not prefer authoritarian policy, rather more liberal. Preference not to involve the Us in foreign conflicts also shows the approach is not authoritarian, as authoritarian governments use force to implement policy, be it internal or external. Natzi’s for instance, and the soviets.
On fiscal policy Trumpism leans right, but not far right. Federal Covid stimulus checks and unemployment Payments show Trumpism is not pure capitalist idiology as the state is allowed to involve itself in the markets. Tariffs as well are counter to far right capitalism. Requiring healthcare providers to disclose pricing publicly is another example as well as first preferred nations clauses on medications. The above are leftist Controlled market policies policies but they are balanced out with the right leaning push to reduce and remove government taxation on wages and businesses. Overall Trumpism is Center Right, as many other policies lean on individual success and a reluctance on increasing social spending, rather preferring individuals make the decision where money should be spent, school choice is an example of this.
Then of course you have the nationalist vs globalist spectrum. Trumpism is on the nationalist side while for instance Soviet ideology was international communism. Natzi’s were national Socialists, as opposed to globalist Socialists. Globalism vs Nationalism has nothing to do with authoritarianism or planned market policy, though Natzi’s had this trifecta.
Obama’s globalism was authoritarian globalism and he pushed elements of controlled markets on the US economy. Heavy influence on foreign nations and use of violence and threats (Biden threatening the Ukrane to withhold a billion in aid for instance). Libya and Syria is another example of authoritarian globalism and I’m pretty sure US intel agencies we involved in the Arab Spring.
If you were familiar with The Greatest Story Never Told by Dennis Wise the Snopes article would make more sense.
Daily reminder that Snopes got caught spending their crowdfunding money on hookers and alcohol. Sounds like a real reliable service.
Yes, this is exactly why I call the Nazis the far left. Some of the anti Semitic folks who come around these parts don't like to hear that.
lol yeah. Its super easy to trigger them though. Just post a picture of GEOTUS at the western wall in a Yamaka. They lose their shit.
Haha exactly, just like any good cuck.
I mean that's what's plastered all over their sites, too, except not in a fashion of admiration. Nazis and Trump supporters are two different groups of people that would only overlap in the mind of someone who's pretty confused.
Had to ask one of them recently why they even bother hanging out on a site that supports a President who has the most pro-Israel track record in recent history, who also has a daughter that converted to Judaism?
Just like how Communists deserve free chopper flights, so do (actual) Nazis.
Wait, I thought the parties were switched back in the 40’s? It’s so hard to keep up with liberal logic.
That pile of dogshit from fvcking ultra left-wing dick-Sniffs is an EDITORIAL, trying REALLY hard to associate conservatives with Nazis. Nope.
SNOPES are lying bitches.
In no way, shape or form does a central gov't control ideology constitute "right" anything.
1984 shit
THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE TEACHING IN COLLEGE HISTORY CLASSES! Source, I took one of these shitty classes.
It's unbelievable the things that we let people believe for years without fighting back on them.
Historian Dr. Thomas E. Woods disagrees with Snopes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17DkMDvKqw0
Yes because the National Socialist German Workers' Party were all for right wing policies like small government, free speech, private gun ownership, treating all races equally and anti-union right?... Real individualists those goose stepping brown shirts.
Yes, they were laissez-faire capitalists... WTF does right-wing even mean anymore?
I remember how those right wing NAZI’s guaranteed gun rights to the Jews!
Ive said this before, but having the right have both limited government and a centrally planned government on both sides of thd spectrum does not make any sense. The rights extreme would be no government, the lefts extreme would be total government. Catholics and protestants fought each other and theyre the same religion, shia and shiite are also the same religion, communist and fascist fight but this time its over a different method of totalitarianism: one has socialism with corporation tentacles still answering to the central government planners, the other has departments of the government producing and answering to the central government powers.
The Left: "Ummm... sweaty, 'antifa' just means 'anti-fascist' so if you don't like antifa, you're pro-fascism lol"
Also The Left: "Ummm... the nsdap wasn't ackshually socialist, that was just clever marketing, now please pay no mind to their 25-point program or Mussolini's history of supporting socialism"
Just because people who today lay claim to the mantle of socialism have different ideas about how to implement it and for whom, doesn't mean that the Nazis weren't socialist. Big-government aficionados aren't identical, just as libertarians often disagree with each about how small government should work.
Amazing Polly has an excellent video titled "How Many Fingers, Winston?"
https://www.bitchute.com/video/rhierE7LZhU/
There are four lights
The far left media slanders Hitler so regularly and egregiously that its hard to believe that Hitler was in reality any worse than Trump is.
Trump is excellent
“ However, the assumption that because the word “socialist” appeared in the party’s name and socialist words and ideas popped up in the writings and speeches of top Nazis then the Nazis must have been actual socialists is naive and ahistorical. What the evidence shows, on the contrary, is that Nazi Party leaders paid mere lip service to socialist ideals on the way to achieving their one true goal: raw, totalitarian power.”
This is an accidental admission of the ugly truth about socialism (ALL SOCIALISM). Well done Snopes. Just because they say socialist words and ideas, all they really care about is power.
"Given that Nazism is traditionally held to be an extreme right-wing ideology..."
Wrong. Totally and utterly wrong.
This is like saying that because Hyenas and Lions will fight over who gets to eat you that they aren't both carnivorous predators.