They know something we don't. There's no way a whole bunch of leftists spontaneously decided to break away from the pack. They're probably a dog fart away from civil unrest or economic collapse.
Swede here, married to an American and we currently live in Sweden.
We've had, to us, quite a lot of death from Corona (just under 6000). We are a small country and the most important thing to remember is that we're a very old country. Most deaths have been older people.
If you want stats check out our government propaganda news site SVT:
Not a swede but I can tell you right away: who passed this year to the chinavirus was gonna die to the flu before Christmas anyways. Excess mortality due to respiratory complications will be closer to 0.
I looked into the total death rates for Sweden and made my own calculations. First I took the official numbers with a death rate (deaths / population) of 0.06%. One of the worse cases. Then I looked into the weekly deaths and realized the death rate before and after was below the average. The total increase in death count was at 0.035%, so it was impossible that it is 0.06% due to the virus, given that it would necessitate that roughly half of those deaths would have to be subtracted from others reasons.
Here is my summary:
Annual Generic Death Rate [Deaths / Population size]
Germany, Britain, Italy, Japan: 1.0-1.1%
USA: 0.75%
Covid Death Rate [Deaths / Population Size] with official numbers as baseline [F = Mask-Free] [V = Verified] [C = Corrected & V]
I hear ya, I really do. But we're talking about a country that hasn't been at war since 1814 and never has any significant natural disasters. 6k, for a nation that just (literally) celebrated 10 million inhabitants, it's a lot.
How do you feel about the other Scandinavian countries having lower death rates while other European countries that also picked down having much higher death rates? Could this be attributed to other factors we may be not hearing about?
Assuming your phone auto corrected locked->picked:
I'm not surprised. We've imported more refugees and foreigners than any other EU country, per capita, and absolutely more than any Scandinavian country.
We have zero integration to speak of and a lot of the refugees and newly arrived immigrants live in inter generational homes, meaning young live with their parents and even grandparents. This will lead to the young bringing in the virus and when the older people catch it they have a higher statistical chance of dying. The Wu-flu hit hard in the ghettos outside of Stockholm where a lot of these people live.
This was the case in the Mediterranean countries, Italy and Spain especially, where inter generational homes are more of a norm.
When my wife, came to Sweden she was shocked how long children, even in Sweden, stayed with their parents (unless they moved for Uni.). It's not uncommon to stay to your mid 20's because the housing market in Sweden is fucked: Lots of old people still owning houses and nothing new gets built.
Hope that gave you some answers. Might have spun off on some tangents. :P
nobody knows for sure, what these test kits are testing for, it appears that they detect most of the common, non-serious infections that we all encounter through our lives, this is why the numbers of "infections" detected seems high and with no symptoms shown or felt.
Sweden has shown that whatever covid-19 actually is, it is nowhere near as deadly as they claim it is.
The agendas need high levels of fear, covid is supposed to be the lever that brings in a dystopian society.
Unless you know their immunity rate, this is a bit early. If only a small percentage of their elderly have developed immunity, they are still susceptible.
That’s exactly how this works. If you don’t know their immunity rate, you don’t if enough of the general population “has it.” Have you heard of any instances of Sweden allowing people in from overseas???
Swede here. I don't think it was balls. I think the economy is too bad. The EU and immigration are demanding to much money to afford a shutdown. Our government is inventing a lot of new taxes. :/
Yes, but economic contraction is impossible to avoid when the whole world shuts down. They got the virus over with quickly. Other countries have just stayed on lockdown which does nothing other than push their cases into the future. So Sweden got a lot of cases earlier and now is through it. Everybody else will now go through it when they come off lockdown.
Not to mention that all of the shutdown and mask nonsense makes everybody afraid and miserable. So Sweden basically maximized total welfare while everybody else maximized total misery.
Yup. I watched a few videos last year or two on YouTube of a few reporters going to Sweden and interviewing some of the locals there. They had videos of the crew being stalked and surrounded by Muslims, mostly the cameramen were attacked. They interviewed this one lady who fled to another country due to the crime and she said that there were feminists fleeing the scene too because of the imported disaster. They don't go out at night anymore, tend to travel in groups only during the day, and are intimidated by their government when they try to report a crime by the Muslims. A police officer talked about no go zones and how they can't do their job without being labeled racist and losing their jobs on top of becoming a target by Muslims. They also talked about affirmative action hires for Muslims and there are possibly government subsidized classes to teach Muslims how to date Swedish women. I recall one story where this lady was dragged into this Muslim run store, she was gangraped by them, then went to the police. If I'm remembering correctly, the police tried to dissuade her from making her statement, but she did anyway, evidence was collected from her, and the police went to the restaurant, asked a few questions, then walked out and did nothing. No one was ever arrested, no proper investigation was done. They're doomed after a few more generations because the Swedish women aren't having kids like everywhere else Feminism steps foot while the Muslims breed nonstop.
That doesn't really make sense though. Not properly isolating/protecting old folks' homes is one thing. But there isn't much reason to suspect that total border shutdowns/economic shutdowns would have helped the country as a whole.
There is no science seriously suggesting that lockdown measures prevent the spread of the virus or save the economy, but rather the opposite.
Across the world lockdowns were largely irrelevant. They are not real lockdowns anyway. The virus easily spread though grocery shoppers. Shouldve locked down the vulnerable. That was an unmitigated disaster. I still see dumbass 70 yr olds in Lowes.
The real issue is why more people aren't taking high dose Vitamin C, D, and various cheap medicines like cinnamon, curcumin and oregano to boost their immune systems. We can bend over backwards to protect the old but at the end of the day its a civilizational weakness.
Looking at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ , I am uncertain how good or bad Sweden is doing compared to other European countries. It seems to be doing considerably worse than Denmark, but compared to countries such as Belgium or (per-capita) France or Italy, it doesn't seem to be doing that poorly at this point in time. Though that does also depend upon how the deaths are measured, among other aspects. And I also do not know how trustworthy "worldometers.info" really is.
I cannot help but wonder whether lockdowns made more sense earlier on, given that the virus may have mutated to become less lethal by now (whether a virus becomes less or more lethal depends as far as I know on various aspects such as which evolutionary pressure there is on it).
In your opinion, do lockdowns still make sense at this point in time? I personally do not believe that masks make you immune, but I would guess that they can still help a bit (if worn meaningfully and appropriately, such as in hospitals, elderly homes and maybe public transit). I still do believe that masks should generally be voluntary. While I am not certain about having lockdowns at this point in time of the virus (lockdowns are very costly, including in regards to the (food) supply chain and deaths in various ways), I think lockdowns early on likely made very good sense. And the borders should have been closed down early on and stayed closed down for a very long time.
Border lockdowns do not work. Quarantine is for sick people. Lock your elders away (if they want to) and let young people exterminate the virus and build immunity.
Honestly, if every country would have just locked down the borders instead when Chinese dissidents first warned of the Virus, countries wouldnt have had to lock down entire societies, and most of us would have been fine both healthwise and economically wise.
Very good point.
I think border-lockdowns could still work to control the spread even if we seem to be past the peak. I'm obviously not an educated expert in any of this though.
I agree.
Yeah facemasks like the one everyone wears really dont stop it if virus particles are in the air. It might help a bit for children and people who dont know how to sneeze and cough in a hygienic manner though. And obviously hospitals need their virus-grade masks.
My understanding is limited, but as far as I know, while aerosols would not be hindered as such given their relatively very small size, droplets (which as far as I understand things) are relatively large and are affected by gravity and might be somewhat hindered (both to and from the person) by facemasks/clothes masks if used appropriately. I believe that in East Asian countries such as South Korea and Japan, clothes masks and other masks were used voluntarily on public transit before 2019, in part in order to limit personal exposure to as well as general spread of various kinds of diseases. That said, they also decrease O2 intake as far as I know, which is not good.
Yea, but what about the Moslums raping babies in Sweden, is that still going on?
They wash their hands before and after.
The non-lockdown is the only thing Sweden's done right in decades
They know something we don't. There's no way a whole bunch of leftists spontaneously decided to break away from the pack. They're probably a dog fart away from civil unrest or economic collapse.
And the only time Sweden isnt praised by the Bolshevik media.
Yes, but that has nothing to do with the china virus
Swede here, married to an American and we currently live in Sweden.
We've had, to us, quite a lot of death from Corona (just under 6000). We are a small country and the most important thing to remember is that we're a very old country. Most deaths have been older people.
If you want stats check out our government propaganda news site SVT:
https://www.svt.se/datajournalistik/har-sprider-sig-coronaviruset/
Also, AMA if you're curious.
So what is the overall death rate so far in Sweden this year compared to last year?
Not a swede but I can tell you right away: who passed this year to the chinavirus was gonna die to the flu before Christmas anyways. Excess mortality due to respiratory complications will be closer to 0.
https://www.svt.se/datajournalistik/overdodlighet-under-corona/
Scroll down here and you'll see a interactive graph showing you the last few years and 2020 so far.
2020 spiked high as fuck during peak Wu-flu but is now comparable to other years.
I looked into the total death rates for Sweden and made my own calculations. First I took the official numbers with a death rate (deaths / population) of 0.06%. One of the worse cases. Then I looked into the weekly deaths and realized the death rate before and after was below the average. The total increase in death count was at 0.035%, so it was impossible that it is 0.06% due to the virus, given that it would necessitate that roughly half of those deaths would have to be subtracted from others reasons.
Here is my summary:
Annual Generic Death Rate [Deaths / Population size]
Covid Death Rate [Deaths / Population Size] with official numbers as baseline [F = Mask-Free] [V = Verified] [C = Corrected & V]
Statistically doesn't seem that significant...I mean we lost 6800 men taking Iwo Jima in just a few weeks.
I hear ya, I really do. But we're talking about a country that hasn't been at war since 1814 and never has any significant natural disasters. 6k, for a nation that just (literally) celebrated 10 million inhabitants, it's a lot.
We're a small nation, my dude.
How do you feel about the other Scandinavian countries having lower death rates while other European countries that also picked down having much higher death rates? Could this be attributed to other factors we may be not hearing about?
Assuming your phone auto corrected locked->picked:
I'm not surprised. We've imported more refugees and foreigners than any other EU country, per capita, and absolutely more than any Scandinavian country.
We have zero integration to speak of and a lot of the refugees and newly arrived immigrants live in inter generational homes, meaning young live with their parents and even grandparents. This will lead to the young bringing in the virus and when the older people catch it they have a higher statistical chance of dying. The Wu-flu hit hard in the ghettos outside of Stockholm where a lot of these people live.
This was the case in the Mediterranean countries, Italy and Spain especially, where inter generational homes are more of a norm.
When my wife, came to Sweden she was shocked how long children, even in Sweden, stayed with their parents (unless they moved for Uni.). It's not uncommon to stay to your mid 20's because the housing market in Sweden is fucked: Lots of old people still owning houses and nothing new gets built.
Hope that gave you some answers. Might have spun off on some tangents. :P
nobody knows for sure, what these test kits are testing for, it appears that they detect most of the common, non-serious infections that we all encounter through our lives, this is why the numbers of "infections" detected seems high and with no symptoms shown or felt.
Sweden has shown that whatever covid-19 actually is, it is nowhere near as deadly as they claim it is.
The agendas need high levels of fear, covid is supposed to be the lever that brings in a dystopian society.
Unless you know their immunity rate, this is a bit early. If only a small percentage of their elderly have developed immunity, they are still susceptible.
That’s exactly how this works. If you don’t know their immunity rate, you don’t if enough of the general population “has it.” Have you heard of any instances of Sweden allowing people in from overseas???
Sad we out cucked fucking sweden of all places
That’s my takeaway. Fucking Sweden of all places had more balls than we did. What the actual fuck.
Swede here. I don't think it was balls. I think the economy is too bad. The EU and immigration are demanding to much money to afford a shutdown. Our government is inventing a lot of new taxes. :/
Except - a fuckload of old people died initially and their economy still retracted 7%.
Yes, but economic contraction is impossible to avoid when the whole world shuts down. They got the virus over with quickly. Other countries have just stayed on lockdown which does nothing other than push their cases into the future. So Sweden got a lot of cases earlier and now is through it. Everybody else will now go through it when they come off lockdown.
Not to mention that all of the shutdown and mask nonsense makes everybody afraid and miserable. So Sweden basically maximized total welfare while everybody else maximized total misery.
Their economy is too much intertwined with the other nordic countries. If Norway fucks up they get dragged down hard.
They still have a major muzzie rape problem they self-inflicted due to placing (leftist) women in positions of power.
Yup. I watched a few videos last year or two on YouTube of a few reporters going to Sweden and interviewing some of the locals there. They had videos of the crew being stalked and surrounded by Muslims, mostly the cameramen were attacked. They interviewed this one lady who fled to another country due to the crime and she said that there were feminists fleeing the scene too because of the imported disaster. They don't go out at night anymore, tend to travel in groups only during the day, and are intimidated by their government when they try to report a crime by the Muslims. A police officer talked about no go zones and how they can't do their job without being labeled racist and losing their jobs on top of becoming a target by Muslims. They also talked about affirmative action hires for Muslims and there are possibly government subsidized classes to teach Muslims how to date Swedish women. I recall one story where this lady was dragged into this Muslim run store, she was gangraped by them, then went to the police. If I'm remembering correctly, the police tried to dissuade her from making her statement, but she did anyway, evidence was collected from her, and the police went to the restaurant, asked a few questions, then walked out and did nothing. No one was ever arrested, no proper investigation was done. They're doomed after a few more generations because the Swedish women aren't having kids like everywhere else Feminism steps foot while the Muslims breed nonstop.
Sweden, more American than America for COVID.
I am Trump's complete lack of surprise.
Sweden caught the Islam though.
I also think they don’t care about the severity level. As in covid positive, but you feel fine, like Most heathy people, you just carry on
Science.
They probably didn't give millions of bullshit tests to people. This may be the biggest false flag we have ever seen. Get ready...
Oh, the locked down, alright. The IKEA in Burbank has been closed for months.
Argh. Dailymail needs to clean their shit up, that website is turning into mobile-cancer.
My theory is that Sweden didn't lock down because you cant lock down a muslim country during ramadan.
That doesn't really make sense though. Not properly isolating/protecting old folks' homes is one thing. But there isn't much reason to suspect that total border shutdowns/economic shutdowns would have helped the country as a whole.
There is no science seriously suggesting that lockdown measures prevent the spread of the virus or save the economy, but rather the opposite.
Across the world lockdowns were largely irrelevant. They are not real lockdowns anyway. The virus easily spread though grocery shoppers. Shouldve locked down the vulnerable. That was an unmitigated disaster. I still see dumbass 70 yr olds in Lowes.
The real issue is why more people aren't taking high dose Vitamin C, D, and various cheap medicines like cinnamon, curcumin and oregano to boost their immune systems. We can bend over backwards to protect the old but at the end of the day its a civilizational weakness.
No, that is called "prison". If someone thinks they are vulnerable they quarantine themselves. Autocracy power trip my ass.
So instead lock everyone down? Yes its still wrong but at least it is logical and wouldve saved lots of lives.
Should not lock anyone. That decision is not within policy-makers authority to do so.
People who want to quarantine themselves do so.
Looking at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ , I am uncertain how good or bad Sweden is doing compared to other European countries. It seems to be doing considerably worse than Denmark, but compared to countries such as Belgium or (per-capita) France or Italy, it doesn't seem to be doing that poorly at this point in time. Though that does also depend upon how the deaths are measured, among other aspects. And I also do not know how trustworthy "worldometers.info" really is.
I cannot help but wonder whether lockdowns made more sense earlier on, given that the virus may have mutated to become less lethal by now (whether a virus becomes less or more lethal depends as far as I know on various aspects such as which evolutionary pressure there is on it).
In your opinion, do lockdowns still make sense at this point in time? I personally do not believe that masks make you immune, but I would guess that they can still help a bit (if worn meaningfully and appropriately, such as in hospitals, elderly homes and maybe public transit). I still do believe that masks should generally be voluntary. While I am not certain about having lockdowns at this point in time of the virus (lockdowns are very costly, including in regards to the (food) supply chain and deaths in various ways), I think lockdowns early on likely made very good sense. And the borders should have been closed down early on and stayed closed down for a very long time.
Border lockdowns do not work. Quarantine is for sick people. Lock your elders away (if they want to) and let young people exterminate the virus and build immunity.
Very good point.
I agree.
My understanding is limited, but as far as I know, while aerosols would not be hindered as such given their relatively very small size, droplets (which as far as I understand things) are relatively large and are affected by gravity and might be somewhat hindered (both to and from the person) by facemasks/clothes masks if used appropriately. I believe that in East Asian countries such as South Korea and Japan, clothes masks and other masks were used voluntarily on public transit before 2019, in part in order to limit personal exposure to as well as general spread of various kinds of diseases. That said, they also decrease O2 intake as far as I know, which is not good.