See that's the thing I see the stereotype that vegans are so pushy and preachy plastered on every other conservatives FB page on nearly a daily basis but I almost never see the actual vegan making the case until the topic is brought up first by the meat eater. Then they get called preachy for replying.
How dumb are you? You liberal shills aren’t very good at disguising yourselves.
I’m not comparing being vegan to abortion. I’m pointing out that I don’t have to see something to know it exists. That’s not hard to understand. You can’t sit there and say “well I never see preachy vegans so they must not exist”.
Ah yeah I've seen that too. You are right in that most vegans/vegetarians I hang out with aren't too preachy about it. Could be because I don't like preachy people in general, or they might get labelled that way a bit too easily.
Frankly I think the obsession with refuting almost non-existent imaginary hoards of preachy vegans reeks of guilt to me. Even if someone can support hunting, I think most of us know that there is something wrong with the system of brutal torture and death we have in factory farming but don't even want to consider giving up on their first world meat with every single meal and snack culture it provides.
It's a lot like how this or that group on the left pretends everyone is out to get them when in reality they know there's something wrong with how they're living. Sorry to compare meat eaters to BLM or LGBT but the mental mechanics are stunningly similar.
So I'm from a family of Diary farmers, and as far as I can tell those cows are super happy.
Now I definitely understand that the meat industry has become a lot more industrialized the past years. And I can understand the unease with that. I prefer my steak grass fed, not just for the taste, but If I am going to sacrifice an animal to eat, then rather one that roamed somewhat free.
That said, I think that apart form the industrialized nature of the meat industry, veganism is also sort of a symptom of city folks being totally out of touch with where their food comes from, never having lived or worked on a farm, and then having these very extreme visions about farming and the meat industry.
What I have never understood however, is why people find killing animals for food morally bad or something. Or are concerned with the way they are killed (stunned or throat slit). I have never understood that. Like rationally it does not make sense to me to put so much emphasis on the last dying moment of an animal. I completely understand the emphasis on the unnatural way of being stuck in a cage though, or concerns with that from an animal cruelty perspective, I get that (somewhat), even though I don't really see the "cruelty" and think a big part of that perception comes from not being familiar with the industry.
And regarding the environmentalist argument: There are different numbers on that, and I think both side probably suffer from bias. It's unclear to me that it would be good or potentially bad, if everyone would switch to a vegan lifestyle.
When one is vegan out of environmental (instead of personal health/moral reasons) they do typically at least hope that others follow into their foodsteps. And some are indeed preachy about that. I've got facebook friends like that, they are obviously not my friends, just people I went to school with. Them being preachy is symptomatic for how smug/unpleasant persons they were even before becoming vegan.
I don't know any vegans personally (I've always lived in red states), so my experience with them comes from comments on food videos or blogs. It's like a school of fish or something, a whole huge group of them will suddenly target a channel and flood the comments with vegan propaganda, complaining that the recipe isn't vegan (despite the person not being vegan, so why would it be?), pushing their favorite vegan channel, and always using hundreds of emojis. So, yes, I think vegans are pushy and preachy, because that is how they behave online. There must be some nice, sane ones who are embarrassed by that and would never dream of lecturing their friends, but enough are like that in real life that the stereotype remains.
See that's the thing I see the stereotype that vegans are so pushy and preachy plastered on every other conservatives FB page on nearly a daily basis but I almost never see the actual vegan making the case until the topic is brought up first by the meat eater. Then they get called preachy for replying.
All good to each their own, we're a broad church. It's just fun to trigger those that want to insist on telling others how to live.
See that's the thing I see the stereotype that vegans are so pushy and preachy plastered on every other conservatives FB page on nearly a daily basis but I almost never see the actual vegan making the case until the topic is brought up first by the meat eater. Then they get called preachy for replying.
I never see abortions being performed, but I know it exists.
You are comparing someone being rude about your diet to someone murdering an unborn child.
And you wonder why we accuse you of getting triggered by this topic, lol
How dumb are you? You liberal shills aren’t very good at disguising yourselves.
I’m not comparing being vegan to abortion. I’m pointing out that I don’t have to see something to know it exists. That’s not hard to understand. You can’t sit there and say “well I never see preachy vegans so they must not exist”.
Ah yeah I've seen that too. You are right in that most vegans/vegetarians I hang out with aren't too preachy about it. Could be because I don't like preachy people in general, or they might get labelled that way a bit too easily.
Frankly I think the obsession with refuting almost non-existent imaginary hoards of preachy vegans reeks of guilt to me. Even if someone can support hunting, I think most of us know that there is something wrong with the system of brutal torture and death we have in factory farming but don't even want to consider giving up on their first world meat with every single meal and snack culture it provides.
It's a lot like how this or that group on the left pretends everyone is out to get them when in reality they know there's something wrong with how they're living. Sorry to compare meat eaters to BLM or LGBT but the mental mechanics are stunningly similar.
So I'm from a family of Diary farmers, and as far as I can tell those cows are super happy.
Now I definitely understand that the meat industry has become a lot more industrialized the past years. And I can understand the unease with that. I prefer my steak grass fed, not just for the taste, but If I am going to sacrifice an animal to eat, then rather one that roamed somewhat free.
That said, I think that apart form the industrialized nature of the meat industry, veganism is also sort of a symptom of city folks being totally out of touch with where their food comes from, never having lived or worked on a farm, and then having these very extreme visions about farming and the meat industry.
What I have never understood however, is why people find killing animals for food morally bad or something. Or are concerned with the way they are killed (stunned or throat slit). I have never understood that. Like rationally it does not make sense to me to put so much emphasis on the last dying moment of an animal. I completely understand the emphasis on the unnatural way of being stuck in a cage though, or concerns with that from an animal cruelty perspective, I get that (somewhat), even though I don't really see the "cruelty" and think a big part of that perception comes from not being familiar with the industry.
And regarding the environmentalist argument: There are different numbers on that, and I think both side probably suffer from bias. It's unclear to me that it would be good or potentially bad, if everyone would switch to a vegan lifestyle.
When one is vegan out of environmental (instead of personal health/moral reasons) they do typically at least hope that others follow into their foodsteps. And some are indeed preachy about that. I've got facebook friends like that, they are obviously not my friends, just people I went to school with. Them being preachy is symptomatic for how smug/unpleasant persons they were even before becoming vegan.
I see you're being mass-downvoted, GrizWallerOGV. Well, if you're not getting flak, you're not over tge target.
I don't know any vegans personally (I've always lived in red states), so my experience with them comes from comments on food videos or blogs. It's like a school of fish or something, a whole huge group of them will suddenly target a channel and flood the comments with vegan propaganda, complaining that the recipe isn't vegan (despite the person not being vegan, so why would it be?), pushing their favorite vegan channel, and always using hundreds of emojis. So, yes, I think vegans are pushy and preachy, because that is how they behave online. There must be some nice, sane ones who are embarrassed by that and would never dream of lecturing their friends, but enough are like that in real life that the stereotype remains.
This ^