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Well I mean there is literally a joke amongst the Chinese that the wuflu wasn’t cured but rather the party ordered people to get better. So yeah China’s case numbers are about as worthless as their promises.
Actually, they force people to take shoddy tests and charge each about $200 for the privilege. Greedy b*tards. If you refuse the test, your social health rating goes down and you can't access services.
It was always known that the known infected count was merely a fraction of the actual infected count.
In the case a person had mild symptoms, there was basically no way to identify an infection. People simply didn't show up anywhere.
The vast majority of cases were mild cases or resists. People who resisted would count into the death rate, but because they were never assessed, the death rate was portrayed as much higher.
Governments vary in definitions, testing methodology, testing efficiency, testing count.
If anything, China proved how nonsensical it was to begin with. And stopping counting was actually the smart move, because all it did was fuel unnecessary panic over a relatively timid virus.
Just FYI, this is the amount of deaths per population in countries:
Annual Generic Death Rate [Deaths / Population size]
Germany, Britain, Italy, Japan: 1.0-1.1%
USA: 0.75%
Covid Death Rate [Deaths / Population Size] with official numbers as baseline [F = Mask-Free] [V = Verified] [C = Corrected & V]
It seems like it has changed recently, but the article/audio footage is from end of July. So it was still way past the height and decline of the spread, when it was irrelevant. So they started to impose mask wearing when it became redundant.
The policies have been very confusing. Social distancing restrictions are still active for restaurants and gatherings for instance. They have loosened some restrictions. But gyms were fully closed until June. They were much stricter than Sweden but only had slightly fewer deaths.
Exactly. I would say this. You cannot put countries in two categories, but you can put them on a scale. And the countries with the most strict rules did not necessarily do better and vice versa.
Now, regarding death count, you got a whole set of other issues. First of all, you sure remember how the CDC recently changed their actual death count solely caused by Covid to be 6% of the original value, right? Because 94% were a mix of very old & 2.6 comorbidities on average, thus the causality was spread out to multiple factors, thus the death was caused by a whole range of factors.
This means that Covid was either irrelevant because said people would have died anyway (remember, the total death rate in the US is 0.75% of the total population, so people die ALL THE TIME over things like that) or it's just an accelerating factor (shorting lifespan by 1 to 3 years maybe, but not killing people who had 10-60 years to live).
Thus the actual death rate regarding the total is 0.003% (~10k out of 330m). The 200k deaths is a vastly overblown value, meaning 190k of that are deaths that would have occurred anyway, but were attributed to Covid.
This is all fearmongering. But I haven't yet looked into the raw total death data yet for the US to confirm the actual deaths as I did for Germany, Britain and Sweden.
People can have pneumonia and respiratory failure for others reasons as well. There is for example smoking, old age or other generic reasons. These things didn't just start yesterday.
Well, the fact is, we can't tell. Yet they claim it with full certainty. If you want to know the true effects of Covid, compare it with the statistics of previous years and see what changed in 2020. If certain attributed deaths miraculously went down in 2020 for some sources, it's a strong indicator that that's the result of a quite blatant and major mistake.
I mean, just for example my father overdosed at old age on some pills, and I bet the cause of death was written up as "heart failure", even though it was the result of a large variety of existing conditions including diabetes with the overdose giving him the rest. In his condition he might have died within the next years anyway btw.
How would you chalk up a case like that? They do it very simply: ONE cause.
See, things are often multi-faceted. Never trust so called "authorities" and "experts." More often than not, they are wrong. And more often they lack behind a LOT when being up-to-date matters most.
I mean, in which year do you think it will be officially known that we "overreacted" in 2020? In 2025 maybe, if we aren't still wearing masks by then...
These scientist are just practicing what I was taught in the Marine Corps, (IF YOU CAN'T DAZZLE THEM WITH BRILLIANCE, BAFFLE THEM WITH BULLSHIT) then they will go away
I don't know. That requires being able to a) have a train of thought and b) formulate that train of thought (no matter how stupid it is) into speech. I personally don't believe Biden is ever going to debate Trump.
there are three choices. 1) They stopped testing and reporting. 2) They killed off all that had it. 3) They had a cure before they released it, and now it's gone in their country
Probably an unpopular opinion here, but I don’t think option 1 is possible. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be allowing mass gatherings, and we would still be seeing the kinds of videos from February with people dropping dead on the streets. Option 3 is also really unlikely since it would require notifying a billion people to get shots, and that would have been on the news. In my opinion, the totalitarian lockdown policies probably worked. They literally welded people who broke quarantine into their homes. Probably not the kind of precedent we want to set in America.
It was certainly number 1. Once they realized that it wasn't anything bad, especially for young people (you know, the age where people gather), they stopped reporting it and instead reports the underlying condition (pneumonia, etc.).
If we did that we would see fewer than 20,000 deaths also, as the USA has returned to the nominal death rate months ago.
What about the emergency hospitals that they had to build to accommodate the extra patients? We also had overflowing hospitals in NYC at the height of the pandemic. Was that all for show?
Most of those emergency hospitals (especially those built elsewhere) went to waste and barely saw anyone. Huge waste of money. They were built not as a response to accommodate extra patients; they were built on a faulty prediction using garbage models that predicted there would be extra patients.
NYC was an outlier because they sent infected people into nursing homes, which was literally the worst possible decision. Even then, their hospitals weren't overflowing in any meaningful way. One especially poorly run hospital temporarily lacked capacity but was able to move them to nearby hospitals with capacity once they figured out the problem.
Say you're drilling a well and strike oil resulting in a "blow out". What is a more difficult task?
a.) plugging the well
b.) catching every droplet of oil in every direction before it hits the ground
All China needed to do was plug the well.
They stopped domestic travel and contained the virus within their borders, but allowed international flights to continue. The rest of the world was left with the impossible task of catching every droplet while wearing a blindfold.
China has enacted an "emergency use" protocol to roll out an untested vaccine to hundreds of thousands of people. Seems weird they would have to do that since they have no new cases!
The US is conflating cases with infections. Been that way since the start to artificially create a scare. “Tested positive” doesn’t mean you are sick or contagious, it just means some of the virus was found in your nose. That amount can be insignificantly low. Noses trap all kinds of icky things.
we should do a test to see how far liberal lunacy has spread. If you answer more than 3 out of 20 questions wrong you're certified 'infected' and isolated from the general population until you stop being so dumb.
TDS is a fucking pandemic worse than Covid19 ever hoped to be.
You should have to wear a stupid mask on your face so others don't have to look at your stupid face and can see your stupid ass coming a mile away.
"Look Mom, another idiot with a mask on!" - Kid who is 3
"Yes, Son, it's so we know who to avoid" - Well Meaning Parent
China claims to have fewer infected (and less than half as many dead as) Canada. Our entire population can fit into two of their cities. Our own government tells us we're racist for questioning this.
China is faking the numbers. The CIA said awhile ago that real case count is 40 times higher or more. I bet it's much higher today.
I will admit they aren't completely wrong for dropping the subject. If we stopped talking about it we could get on with our lives and no one would notice.
Similar results in Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan, a total of 200 million population and almost no deaths or cases. Say what you want about China, but China has employed the most strict measures of any country, and I know because I live here. Everyone wore masks, for months, and temperature and health screenings were universally enforced in residential areas, transportation, and public buildings. In the US, there hasn't been any control measures except flailing, disorganized and nonsensical partial business shutdowns which have dragged on while riots and protests are celebrated and nobody wears a mask, why wouldn't there be more deaths? Nothing about the US response makes sense. There's no consistency or logic. No universal response, just a smattering of barely-measures sprinkled randomly between counties and states in addition to business shutdowns so local politicians can pretend they're doing something.
That's not to say it's Trump's fault, I think Trump did about everything he could.The main difference is there just isn't a way to enforce similar measures in the US due to the way government is structured and how fractured the public is, especially with a divisive and incompetent media. It's also arguable whether you would even want to go through those measures. If so many people can't even put on a mask, imagine making everyone take their temperature whenever they leave their residential area or enter their residential area. But don't act surprised when you have more deaths than countries with an organized, serious, and unified public response. You can't have it both ways. Don't pretend like China is secretly having the same problems. I've been here the entire time and things were mostly back to normal almost half a year ago, with the exception of masks , temperature screenings, and some other inconveniences.
21 million cell phones accounts were closed in China in winter of 2020... far more then normal...
Tang Jingyuan, a US-based China Affairs commentator told The Epoch Times on March 21:
"The digitization level is very high in China. People can't survive without a cell phone. Dealing with the government for pensions and social security, buying train tickets, shopping... no matter what people want to do, they are required to use cell phones.
"The Chinese regime requires all Chinese use their cell phones to generate a health code. Only with a green health code are Chinese allowed to move in China now.
"It's impossible for a person to cancel his cell phone." (in China)
Drooling retards like you that believe this literal Chinese propaganda are what gave us the lockdowns. 21 million people didn't just drop dead you fucking idiot. All those vids of people dropping dead in the middle of the street in broad daylight we staged and fake. The incinerators they wheeled out in Wuhan were for morons like you that would buy their drivel.
Well I mean there is literally a joke amongst the Chinese that the wuflu wasn’t cured but rather the party ordered people to get better. So yeah China’s case numbers are about as worthless as their promises.
China ordered a halt to all internal testing months ago. No tests, no new cases.
Funny, that’s what Obama to make H1N1 go away too...
Waste of time, resources, money, and unnecessary public panic and overall anxiety.
I’m waiting for Trump to strike back on CHYNA. It won’t be pleasant.
Actually, they force people to take shoddy tests and charge each about $200 for the privilege. Greedy b*tards. If you refuse the test, your social health rating goes down and you can't access services.
It was a deliberate propaganda campaign.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/confirmed-china-launched-massive-social-media-campaign-march-get-countries-adopt-stringent-coronavirus-lockdowns-destroy-economies/
To be fair, they are worthless universally.
If anything, China proved how nonsensical it was to begin with. And stopping counting was actually the smart move, because all it did was fuel unnecessary panic over a relatively timid virus.
Just FYI, this is the amount of deaths per population in countries:
Annual Generic Death Rate [Deaths / Population size]
Covid Death Rate [Deaths / Population Size] with official numbers as baseline [F = Mask-Free] [V = Verified] [C = Corrected & V]
Great post. But a question: How do you define mask free? In the Netherlands you still have to wear masks in public transportation.
Here is an article about Netherlands regarding being mask free.
It seems like it has changed recently, but the article/audio footage is from end of July. So it was still way past the height and decline of the spread, when it was irrelevant. So they started to impose mask wearing when it became redundant.
The policies have been very confusing. Social distancing restrictions are still active for restaurants and gatherings for instance. They have loosened some restrictions. But gyms were fully closed until June. They were much stricter than Sweden but only had slightly fewer deaths.
The problem is, there are too few countries that serve as ideal examples of being completely measure/mask free.
The causal situation is this:
The logic: Virgin sacrifices were causal to improve the thing. Everybody did so, so it must be true.
Exactly. I would say this. You cannot put countries in two categories, but you can put them on a scale. And the countries with the most strict rules did not necessarily do better and vice versa.
Still low but wouldn't [Deaths / Population Size] it be higher in the US?
Closer to 0.06% of the population
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
Now, regarding death count, you got a whole set of other issues. First of all, you sure remember how the CDC recently changed their actual death count solely caused by Covid to be 6% of the original value, right? Because 94% were a mix of very old & 2.6 comorbidities on average, thus the causality was spread out to multiple factors, thus the death was caused by a whole range of factors.
This means that Covid was either irrelevant because said people would have died anyway (remember, the total death rate in the US is 0.75% of the total population, so people die ALL THE TIME over things like that) or it's just an accelerating factor (shorting lifespan by 1 to 3 years maybe, but not killing people who had 10-60 years to live).
Thus the actual death rate regarding the total is 0.003% (~10k out of 330m). The 200k deaths is a vastly overblown value, meaning 190k of that are deaths that would have occurred anyway, but were attributed to Covid.
This is all fearmongering. But I haven't yet looked into the raw total death data yet for the US to confirm the actual deaths as I did for Germany, Britain and Sweden.
People can have pneumonia and respiratory failure for others reasons as well. There is for example smoking, old age or other generic reasons. These things didn't just start yesterday.
Well, the fact is, we can't tell. Yet they claim it with full certainty. If you want to know the true effects of Covid, compare it with the statistics of previous years and see what changed in 2020. If certain attributed deaths miraculously went down in 2020 for some sources, it's a strong indicator that that's the result of a quite blatant and major mistake.
I mean, just for example my father overdosed at old age on some pills, and I bet the cause of death was written up as "heart failure", even though it was the result of a large variety of existing conditions including diabetes with the overdose giving him the rest. In his condition he might have died within the next years anyway btw.
How would you chalk up a case like that? They do it very simply: ONE cause.
See, things are often multi-faceted. Never trust so called "authorities" and "experts." More often than not, they are wrong. And more often they lack behind a LOT when being up-to-date matters most.
I mean, in which year do you think it will be officially known that we "overreacted" in 2020? In 2025 maybe, if we aren't still wearing masks by then...
These scientist are just practicing what I was taught in the Marine Corps, (IF YOU CAN'T DAZZLE THEM WITH BRILLIANCE, BAFFLE THEM WITH BULLSHIT) then they will go away
Never believe anything a communist tells you
Unless it comes to violent threats. Then you take them at their word and respond accordingly.
Yeah, I tell them, "Get the fuck off my lawn, post-modernists!"
I don't know. That requires being able to a) have a train of thought and b) formulate that train of thought (no matter how stupid it is) into speech. I personally don't believe Biden is ever going to debate Trump.
I must agree.....I just cannot see it happening.
there are three choices. 1) They stopped testing and reporting. 2) They killed off all that had it. 3) They had a cure before they released it, and now it's gone in their country
Probably an unpopular opinion here, but I don’t think option 1 is possible. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be allowing mass gatherings, and we would still be seeing the kinds of videos from February with people dropping dead on the streets. Option 3 is also really unlikely since it would require notifying a billion people to get shots, and that would have been on the news. In my opinion, the totalitarian lockdown policies probably worked. They literally welded people who broke quarantine into their homes. Probably not the kind of precedent we want to set in America.
It was certainly number 1. Once they realized that it wasn't anything bad, especially for young people (you know, the age where people gather), they stopped reporting it and instead reports the underlying condition (pneumonia, etc.).
If we did that we would see fewer than 20,000 deaths also, as the USA has returned to the nominal death rate months ago.
What about the emergency hospitals that they had to build to accommodate the extra patients? We also had overflowing hospitals in NYC at the height of the pandemic. Was that all for show?
Most of those emergency hospitals (especially those built elsewhere) went to waste and barely saw anyone. Huge waste of money. They were built not as a response to accommodate extra patients; they were built on a faulty prediction using garbage models that predicted there would be extra patients.
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/851712311/u-s-field-hospitals-stand-down-most-without-treating-any-covid-19-patients
NYC was an outlier because they sent infected people into nursing homes, which was literally the worst possible decision. Even then, their hospitals weren't overflowing in any meaningful way. One especially poorly run hospital temporarily lacked capacity but was able to move them to nearby hospitals with capacity once they figured out the problem.
So many people died so fast that they could not count them....
Erase mark is a nice touch.
Beat me to it.
I mean fuck the Chicoms but stopping testing is actually exactly what we should be doing. Then our line will look just like theirs.
Yeah the whole thing started in China but now they are apparently fine whole the rest of the world is suffering? Makes literally no sense.
I've put it to people this way.
Say you're drilling a well and strike oil resulting in a "blow out". What is a more difficult task?
a.) plugging the well b.) catching every droplet of oil in every direction before it hits the ground
All China needed to do was plug the well.
They stopped domestic travel and contained the virus within their borders, but allowed international flights to continue. The rest of the world was left with the impossible task of catching every droplet while wearing a blindfold.
China has enacted an "emergency use" protocol to roll out an untested vaccine to hundreds of thousands of people. Seems weird they would have to do that since they have no new cases!
Lol at there being debates.
(tapping head) Can't defend the topic if you're not at the debate.
Will there be a debate??
https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/trump-dhs-uyghur/
Yea especially after this.
The US is conflating cases with infections. Been that way since the start to artificially create a scare. “Tested positive” doesn’t mean you are sick or contagious, it just means some of the virus was found in your nose. That amount can be insignificantly low. Noses trap all kinds of icky things.
we should do a test to see how far liberal lunacy has spread. If you answer more than 3 out of 20 questions wrong you're certified 'infected' and isolated from the general population until you stop being so dumb.
TDS is a fucking pandemic worse than Covid19 ever hoped to be.
You should have to wear a stupid mask on your face so others don't have to look at your stupid face and can see your stupid ass coming a mile away.
"Look Mom, another idiot with a mask on!" - Kid who is 3
"Yes, Son, it's so we know who to avoid" - Well Meaning Parent
Hello I am here
China claims to have fewer infected (and less than half as many dead as) Canada. Our entire population can fit into two of their cities. Our own government tells us we're racist for questioning this.
HEY!
I Live in Ottawa.
We have TWO NEW CASES. This justifies the continued lockdown/fearmongering and anything you say about it will result in a MASSIVE, CRIPPLING FINE.
Don't like it? LEAVE!
No Wait, you can't leave, the border is shut down.
We're installing traffic light cameras and school zone cameras and handing out 10,000 tickets in 18 days because [public safety is #1~]
Consequences be Damned!
LOL he would never have that graph. He would call it disinformation and it would be banned by Google.
What debates?
It’s cute you think Biden will debate Trump
wokring with a Chinese guy, he told me his family back home has been living mask free since May...
Here we are in september and people are still driving around with masks, gloves and dildos on their chins.
China is faking the numbers. The CIA said awhile ago that real case count is 40 times higher or more. I bet it's much higher today.
I will admit they aren't completely wrong for dropping the subject. If we stopped talking about it we could get on with our lives and no one would notice.
The Harris administration will be the one that shows up in the debates
Similar results in Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan, a total of 200 million population and almost no deaths or cases. Say what you want about China, but China has employed the most strict measures of any country, and I know because I live here. Everyone wore masks, for months, and temperature and health screenings were universally enforced in residential areas, transportation, and public buildings. In the US, there hasn't been any control measures except flailing, disorganized and nonsensical partial business shutdowns which have dragged on while riots and protests are celebrated and nobody wears a mask, why wouldn't there be more deaths? Nothing about the US response makes sense. There's no consistency or logic. No universal response, just a smattering of barely-measures sprinkled randomly between counties and states in addition to business shutdowns so local politicians can pretend they're doing something.
That's not to say it's Trump's fault, I think Trump did about everything he could.The main difference is there just isn't a way to enforce similar measures in the US due to the way government is structured and how fractured the public is, especially with a divisive and incompetent media. It's also arguable whether you would even want to go through those measures. If so many people can't even put on a mask, imagine making everyone take their temperature whenever they leave their residential area or enter their residential area. But don't act surprised when you have more deaths than countries with an organized, serious, and unified public response. You can't have it both ways. Don't pretend like China is secretly having the same problems. I've been here the entire time and things were mostly back to normal almost half a year ago, with the exception of masks , temperature screenings, and some other inconveniences.
hahahaha
21 million cell phones accounts were closed in China in winter of 2020... far more then normal...
Tang Jingyuan, a US-based China Affairs commentator told The Epoch Times on March 21:
"The digitization level is very high in China. People can't survive without a cell phone. Dealing with the government for pensions and social security, buying train tickets, shopping... no matter what people want to do, they are required to use cell phones.
"The Chinese regime requires all Chinese use their cell phones to generate a health code. Only with a green health code are Chinese allowed to move in China now.
"It's impossible for a person to cancel his cell phone." (in China)
Drooling retards like you that believe this literal Chinese propaganda are what gave us the lockdowns. 21 million people didn't just drop dead you fucking idiot. All those vids of people dropping dead in the middle of the street in broad daylight we staged and fake. The incinerators they wheeled out in Wuhan were for morons like you that would buy their drivel.