There are lots of ways to obfuscate traffic using VPN. With obfs4 proxies and tor, you can appear to access a website from shadow IP addresses that cannot be resolved definitively to a country.
This. You can change where the traffic is from, but you can't make 40% of it disappear. Either that traffic never existed and that 60% accounts for the 100%, or they purposely left out 40% of the traffic because it is in fact from somewhere they're trying to hide from the public. No doubt Alexa is in on it too, money goes a long way when it comes to changing numbers around.
You're both overlooking a crucial factor: Alexa doesn't have precise measurements. It uses statistical averages based on a smaller sample size gleaned from some people's browsers and uses its algorithm to correct/estimate actual traffic.
The data is collected from a subset of internet users using one of 25,000 browser extensions for either Google Chrome, Firefox and/or Internet Explorer. An algorithm then ‘corrects’ for various potential biases and attempts to compensate for visitors who may not be in Alexa’s measurement panel (a factor it hasn’t always tried to accommodate for) and normalizes the data based on the geographical location of visitors.
I have no idea what you mean by "shadow" IP addresses.
Maybe he means a spoofed IP. I haven't played around with TCP/IP in 20 years but back in the day, you could spoof IPs if you have root access on a name server.
I've noticed a large uptick in "tech pedes" saying shit that makes us pedes who actually work in tech quite confused (aka they're blatantly full of shit). Unfortunately, it looks like it makes sense to people who have other areas of expertise.
Also yeah, there's no such thing as a "shadow IP" except in some possibly obscure and limited usage (not a general "hide my IP" kind of way).
Here's a pro tip guys: you can google any actual tech term and get a bazillion results. Try "tail call optimization". Notice how there are literally thousands of results for that concept? Now try "recursive descent parser". Equally obscure, right? But sure enough, you will receive thousands and thousands of results because this is actually a thing. Now try "shadow ip". You may get a result that appears relevant on first glance, but you will quickly start seeing completely irrelevant results, unlike the actual tech terms above. This is how you know that this is not a real term. Real terms absolutely flood the results with relevant results that all say basically the same thing.
NOTE: as I'm sure some of you are thinking, Google is not always reliable for everything, esp. anything political/cultural. But for tech stuff, they are on point. Same general rule goes for Wikipedia.
If you own the website and the network the user is connecting through, it is relatively easy to use heuristics of the traffic to correlate users on a site to the person connecting to the VPN. This is already available in firewalls which can detect applications/viruses using encrypted traffic.
A less covert, but far more effective way is to just start sending packets of specific sizes/timing in bursts and see where they show up in traffic from the VPN provider to suspect users in China.
Without access to both the site and the user's network, you can eventually locate people by monitoring latency and loss on the links you suspect the user is connecting through. I do this to identify people in video games to root out spies in my group and all I need is root access to our group's and user-level access to the enemy group's voice servers.
I really think the "missing traffic" just comes from a wide dispersal of low percentage countries. Say if you start at traffic from nation #4 is 4% and each subsequent nation is 93% of the traffic of the previous, you get the missing traffic you get to 100% by nation #27.
thedonald.win currently #1,162 in US sites
I think the "missing traffic" issue is easily explainable with just "the other countries just aren't shown in the unpaid-for presentation" but I could easily believe that tDw dropping out of the top 1,000 to 1,162 (99x to 1,162 is a pretty significant drop) is due to a concerted effort by a few Trump Derangement Syndrome zealots writing botnet scripts to generate traffic for whatever 100 sites are just ahead of and 100 sites just behind us. I don't think it is any stretch of the imagination that there are a dozen leftists just that rabid and petty that they would devote time and resources to "owning" tDw out of the top 1,000 thinking it would affect our collective morale.
Yes, but it is precisely the geographic mapping - and lack of geographically Chinese IPs - that the OP is citing. VPNs could explain some of it... but, frankly, that's a lot
I go look at subreddits I used to go to last year from time to time. Unless some post hits r.all. Most of them are pretty dead. Yeah, the big ones will always get the bot upvotes.
Just my opinion and from what Ive seen from the subreddits I used to go to.
What you are suggesting is that there's 4 country in the world. The rest of the traffic doesn't come from China alone. This data seems incomplete at the very least, I would like to see the traffic from China but how much traffic is actually irrelevant since China has their hands in reddit administration.
Everything not chinese owned and run is banned. That doesn't mean they're not running click farms to astroturf their moderately expensive propaganda outlet.
Yes. There is definitely a large army of paid Chinese faggots pretending to be westerners. I run into them all the time, and they are coordinated. The brigade you with other fake westerners, who's history 90% nothing responses unrelated to politics, and 10% pure CPP propaganda. These accounts get upvotes from the coordination as well. Really wish fucking internet companies weren't so fucking uber anti american cucked and did something about this shit that really is an assault on our democracy. Instead they just ban you, for hammering them with the truth about Tienamen Square, to which they say, Kent State was the same thing. Its sick.
Where is the Netherlands? I am here like 23 hrs of the day, refreshing the page and accessing it from my Dell, Macbook, Iphone x, Iphone Xs, iphone 11 Pro, Ipad 13 Pro and lastly my wifes Iphone
How many years ago was it that Reddit stopped counting US military base traffic? What was the name of that base that were the top posters on Reddit? That information warfare unit?
Eglin Air Force Base is not just any air force base. For one thing, many of the projects there are funded and managed by D.A.R.P.A, who we will remember were instrumental in the creation of the internet itself, and have a long history of disturbing activities⁷⁸. In recent years Eglin Air Force base has been used to develop hyper-sonic weapons⁷⁹, and more damningly, several research papers are accredited to the airforce base. Many of these papers appear under the name of Eduardo L Pasilio JR. One such paper, entitled ‘Containment Control for a Social network with State-dependent Connectivity’⁸⁰, talks explicitly about the manipulation of social media users. Another one of his papers produced at Eglin Airforce base is entitled, ‘Model Based Learning of Information Diffusion On Social Media Networks’.Many of his other papers relate to systems and network theories⁸¹. Clearly then, intelligence agencies, in this case US intelligence agencies, are keenly interested in influencing these online spaces. Judging by their post history are very active in doing so.
One of the authors of the paper in that link that talks about the psyop is a Chinese national who was trained in the US but teaches at a Chinese university. What a clowncar our military has become.
Probably random European countries tbh. Looks like the ranks only show the top 3. Tim Pool did say that it’s ridiculous how big tech pretends to be against foreign election interference, yet half the users on /r/politics are just America-bashing Europeans or Australians.
I figure they are using botnet methods to secretly boost traffic for ad revenue, that is one of the only things that makes sense to me, seeing as their genuine traffic is decreasing at increasing rates. The company can defraud advertisers, so the important paychecks don't take a cut, until it's time to jump ship.
The reason why the DDOS attack doesn't increase our site rankings, is the same reason why they have missing traffic origins.
People in China are only allowed to use certain sites and apps also. Like when I played some mobile games they could only use certain apps for gaming groups outside of games. I think We chat was the approved chat for them, don't remember.
Could reddit be blocked for regular Chinese people?
Im sure the chinese on reddit are smart enough to not be so obvious and use a VPN. That probably explains the unaccounted traffic.
Reddit is one large CCP honeypot now. Its just sad seeing dumb woke kids fall into CCP trap so easily
There are lots of ways to obfuscate traffic using VPN. With obfs4 proxies and tor, you can appear to access a website from shadow IP addresses that cannot be resolved definitively to a country.
When bill gates and steve jobs argue
Bill Gates would transcribe the conversation publish and copyright it.
Maybe someone should rob them ;)
I could retire on their pocket change.
I see your hating on jobs. Its like hating bezos.
Duh they didn’t write all the code, but they are industry leaders all the same.
The average IT Tech knows more about the internet (TCP/IP) than Bill Gates or Steve Jobs.
Bill Gates was also good at stealing other peoples intellectual property and patenting it himself. And it helps to be born into a rich family too.
Okay stephen hawkings.
This. You can change where the traffic is from, but you can't make 40% of it disappear. Either that traffic never existed and that 60% accounts for the 100%, or they purposely left out 40% of the traffic because it is in fact from somewhere they're trying to hide from the public. No doubt Alexa is in on it too, money goes a long way when it comes to changing numbers around.
You're both overlooking a crucial factor: Alexa doesn't have precise measurements. It uses statistical averages based on a smaller sample size gleaned from some people's browsers and uses its algorithm to correct/estimate actual traffic.
https://winningwp.com/alexa-traffic-rank/
Maybe he means a spoofed IP. I haven't played around with TCP/IP in 20 years but back in the day, you could spoof IPs if you have root access on a name server.
I've noticed a large uptick in "tech pedes" saying shit that makes us pedes who actually work in tech quite confused (aka they're blatantly full of shit). Unfortunately, it looks like it makes sense to people who have other areas of expertise.
Also yeah, there's no such thing as a "shadow IP" except in some possibly obscure and limited usage (not a general "hide my IP" kind of way).
Here's a pro tip guys: you can google any actual tech term and get a bazillion results. Try "tail call optimization". Notice how there are literally thousands of results for that concept? Now try "recursive descent parser". Equally obscure, right? But sure enough, you will receive thousands and thousands of results because this is actually a thing. Now try "shadow ip". You may get a result that appears relevant on first glance, but you will quickly start seeing completely irrelevant results, unlike the actual tech terms above. This is how you know that this is not a real term. Real terms absolutely flood the results with relevant results that all say basically the same thing.
NOTE: as I'm sure some of you are thinking, Google is not always reliable for everything, esp. anything political/cultural. But for tech stuff, they are on point. Same general rule goes for Wikipedia.
Most people have never heard of Reddit, either. ¯\(ツ)/¯
are you suggesting the Alexa rankings of some sites might be... padded? :D
If you own the website and the network the user is connecting through, it is relatively easy to use heuristics of the traffic to correlate users on a site to the person connecting to the VPN. This is already available in firewalls which can detect applications/viruses using encrypted traffic.
A less covert, but far more effective way is to just start sending packets of specific sizes/timing in bursts and see where they show up in traffic from the VPN provider to suspect users in China.
Without access to both the site and the user's network, you can eventually locate people by monitoring latency and loss on the links you suspect the user is connecting through. I do this to identify people in video games to root out spies in my group and all I need is root access to our group's and user-level access to the enemy group's voice servers.
EVE player?
HAHA yea that does sound like EvE
maybe
I really think the "missing traffic" just comes from a wide dispersal of low percentage countries. Say if you start at traffic from nation #4 is 4% and each subsequent nation is 93% of the traffic of the previous, you get the missing traffic you get to 100% by nation #27.
I think the "missing traffic" issue is easily explainable with just "the other countries just aren't shown in the unpaid-for presentation" but I could easily believe that tDw dropping out of the top 1,000 to 1,162 (99x to 1,162 is a pretty significant drop) is due to a concerted effort by a few Trump Derangement Syndrome zealots writing botnet scripts to generate traffic for whatever 100 sites are just ahead of and 100 sites just behind us. I don't think it is any stretch of the imagination that there are a dozen leftists just that rabid and petty that they would devote time and resources to "owning" tDw out of the top 1,000 thinking it would affect our collective morale.
Yes, but it is precisely the geographic mapping - and lack of geographically Chinese IPs - that the OP is citing. VPNs could explain some of it... but, frankly, that's a lot
...until they use a VPN. Thats kinda the point
I dont think they're masking it, more like deliberately scrubbing/ massaging that information.
Whether or not its reddit or Alexa itself doing this remains to be seen but Alexa has no reason to lie afaik
Alexa is Amazon. Amazon is China.
I go look at subreddits I used to go to last year from time to time. Unless some post hits r.all. Most of them are pretty dead. Yeah, the big ones will always get the bot upvotes.
Just my opinion and from what Ive seen from the subreddits I used to go to.
I'm sure they aren't using a VPN, but rather the official VCCPN
Without a VPN you cannot access reddit from China.
China-based USA pede here.
unless you're chinese military, whose job it is to subvert America and influence the upcoming election.
This tbh
Who would still be using a VPN so as not to appear too obvious.
Real question, why stay in China? I’d genuinely be worried for my personal safety as relations deteriorate
Family mostly. Yea, things are a bit unnerving but just trying to keep a low profile.
Tunnelbear!
Where's the Netherlands?
edit: Checked on alexa and got this, Visitors by Country:
🇳🇱 Netherlands - 6.8%
Edit: Woops! My stats are about thedonald.win instead of reddit, my bad.
Those are thedonald stats friend, I'm talking about the reddit stats.
Alexa ranking is compromised I think.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/325144/reddit-global-active-user-distribution/
There's still 25% of traffic unaccounted for on that website. Wtf?
what is reddit? is that like dig or slashdot?
I think I read about it in a history book.
I remember my uncle, who lives in the Netherlands, cheering for Donald Trump when he won in 2016. Guess it's in my blood!
Take it from me...China runs reddit.
That explains why reddit is asshoe.
You gotta pay to see full analytics
some pede must have an account with Alexa, for work. Anybody out there got the goods?
I deleted my 11 year old Reddit account this summer. It became so painfully full of propoganda. Each post was either:
Black people doing something awesome.
Articles about church people all magically dying from Covid after defying lockdowns.
People not wearing masks getting harrassed.
White people getting beat up by black people.
Black people in the 60s and 70s being "Old School Cool"
"peaceful protestors" being harrassed by angry white people
Im sure Ill think of more
What you are suggesting is that there's 4 country in the world. The rest of the traffic doesn't come from China alone. This data seems incomplete at the very least, I would like to see the traffic from China but how much traffic is actually irrelevant since China has their hands in reddit administration.
I’m pretty sure Reddit is banned in China, no?
Everything not chinese owned and run is banned. That doesn't mean they're not running click farms to astroturf their moderately expensive propaganda outlet.
Good point.
Yeah, was immediately suspicious to see nothing in continental Europe. Many of Reddit's most TDS afflicted posters are European.
Anyone in China would be using a VPN, which would show traffic from some other country like NZ or Brazil.
This is simply the data that Alexa shows you for free, for full datasets you need to pay. OP is amazingly retarded.
Just went to check, seems like they only show you the top three countries without an account.
If you search for thedonald.win, you dont get 100% either. But it just so happens that nearly all our visitors are from the US
Misleading.
The bigger news is that Reddit is effectively a foreign site. Their efforts to support Biden is effectively foreign influence.
Very true. Scary stuff when you think about it.
I still believe that 1/2 of the people on subs such as politics are not even US citizens.
Lets destroy reddit
Yes. There is definitely a large army of paid Chinese faggots pretending to be westerners. I run into them all the time, and they are coordinated. The brigade you with other fake westerners, who's history 90% nothing responses unrelated to politics, and 10% pure CPP propaganda. These accounts get upvotes from the coordination as well. Really wish fucking internet companies weren't so fucking uber anti american cucked and did something about this shit that really is an assault on our democracy. Instead they just ban you, for hammering them with the truth about Tienamen Square, to which they say, Kent State was the same thing. Its sick.
Where is the Netherlands? I am here like 23 hrs of the day, refreshing the page and accessing it from my Dell, Macbook, Iphone x, Iphone Xs, iphone 11 Pro, Ipad 13 Pro and lastly my wifes Iphone
Why is Trump so popular in the Netherlands? Did Geert Vilder make him popular?
It's not China it's bots/scrapers.
All those crappy news sites just scrape reddit and try to base articles from the default subs.
These are stats for reddit, not for thedonald.
Correct, many news/blog sites scrape reddit to try to get ahead of news items and/or to see what's trending.
Real question is how does left wing US Politics subs constantly reach the front page with only 40% US traffic?
bots.
On the rare occasion I go to reddit, I use a VPN that routes through Russia just to fuck with them. I don't see any traffic from their either.
I deleted the Reddit app. If it loses enough traffic it will eventually die. Then, I will celebrate.
Alexa only shows the top three, same with .win
How many years ago was it that Reddit stopped counting US military base traffic? What was the name of that base that were the top posters on Reddit? That information warfare unit?
Aha! It was Eglin Air Force base in Florida:
https://redditblog.blogspot.com/2013/05/get-ready-for-global-reddit-meetup-day.html
https://files.catbox.moe/4ldeyt.jpg
That's not the only one, there was another in the midwest that was responsible for a huge amount of Reddit traffic.
https://medium.com/@MKultrawoke/the-truth-about-the-alt-right-a-destruction-by-facts-and-logic-e3d07f27e8cb
One of the authors of the paper in that link that talks about the psyop is a Chinese national who was trained in the US but teaches at a Chinese university. What a clowncar our military has become.
Regardless of China or not, only 41% is listed as US driven. So clearly that cesspool is not a reflection of US political leanings.
🇺🇸 41.7%
🇬🇧 10.4%
🇨🇦 5.1%
🛸 42.8%
In comparison with thewin, we have 88.5% USA based, 7% Dutch and 1.5% Australia
You could put 1 diversity poll up on a main sub, innocently asking where everyone is from, and you will have all the data you need
China and Iran probably lol
Fuck reddit. I have been there once in the past week and that was by accident.
I just assume every single comment or post on reddit is Chinese propaganda.
I haven't been to reddit in months. Don't miss it one bit either.
Bots.
Probably random European countries tbh. Looks like the ranks only show the top 3. Tim Pool did say that it’s ridiculous how big tech pretends to be against foreign election interference, yet half the users on /r/politics are just America-bashing Europeans or Australians.
Wait... but what about other European countries? Are they using Reddit so little??
I figure they are using botnet methods to secretly boost traffic for ad revenue, that is one of the only things that makes sense to me, seeing as their genuine traffic is decreasing at increasing rates. The company can defraud advertisers, so the important paychecks don't take a cut, until it's time to jump ship.
The reason why the DDOS attack doesn't increase our site rankings, is the same reason why they have missing traffic origins.
Its actually Tel Aviv
People in China are only allowed to use certain sites and apps also. Like when I played some mobile games they could only use certain apps for gaming groups outside of games. I think We chat was the approved chat for them, don't remember.
Could reddit be blocked for regular Chinese people?
Autist of the Day Award right here. Thanks!
We've long known they push what they want to the top and then creates a caucophony of shills in the comments.
Why isn't the Netherlands in the top 3 anymore? Come on fellow Dutchies, step it up!
Thanks for all the support and upvotes everybody. I love this community!
No bots in those stats... not one.
Based on what’s shown, I’m assuming the way this chart gathers data may infringe on data privacy laws in place for certain nations.
🇵🇱 🇵🇱 🇵🇱 🇵🇱 🇵🇱 ✝️✝️ PL PL PL PL PL
Thought reddit was banned in China even tho owned by them, they use it against Americans.