And how many millennials know of the genocide of millions of Germans after WWII?
Or the genocides of Greeks, Armenian, and others at the hands of the Turks?
Or of the millions of white people kidnapped and enslaved by Muslims?
Or of the Rwanda genocide?
If anything, the holocaust is hugely overrepresented in history books. I wonder why.
The Nazi holocaust also targeted Gypsies and disabled people in addition to Jews. The death toll from the genocides you mentioned, collectively, does not come close to the death toll from the holocaust.
Genocides are all awful and I agree with you that these other atrocities should be given greater attention; the holocaust, however, is not overrepresented. What’s underrepresented is the death toll under communism including the regimes of Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.
It depends on how you define “white”. I certainly wouldn’t consider Gypsies and middle easterners to be white. There are a lot of Jews with mostly European DNA so they could pass off as white.
Holocaust is way, way overrepresented. It's not a matter of giving it attention proportional to the number of victims. What that matters is that we learn from all genocides so that hopefully they won't happen again.
Every other genocide I mentioned tells you a story that our young people desperately need to hear.
The size of the genocide is extremely relevant when it comes to the amount of attention given to that particular genocide; smaller genocides should be taught in history classes but they aren’t nearly equal to the holocaust in terms of scale.
The same thing is true for wars; the two World Wars are given more emphasis because they occurred on such a large scale.
So what is more relevant? The genocides of ISIS which happened a few years ago in the name of an ideology that is still very strong today, or a genocide that happened 80 years ago in a completely different geopolitical situation and commit by a nation that has made atonement and an ideology that doesn't exist anymore?
It’s not ridiculous. Things that happen on a much larger scale get more emphasis and attention historically. National socialist(Nazi) ideology does still exist.
I agree that atrocities happening now should be given more attention.
You sound like a Jew whining about the holocaust, like you're the only people who have been persecuted in history. Are you trying to instill white guilt in people so that we give up our land?
What gave you away is "no reason". If you think that there was absolutely no reason for the persecutions of the Jews (right or wrong), you're either lying or you're terribly uninformed.
Saying that there were reasons for the persecutions does not imply that those reasons justified the persecutions.
It's actually the opposite: if you want to avoid a thing happening again you should put an effort into understanding why it happened in the first place.
Most the holocaust victims came from Poland, Ukraine, and surrounding countries. There was not a significant Jewish population in Germany itself. If your interested the book Bloodlands is a good account of this.
That is BS.those who died at the camps died of starvation not a result of a gas chamber .there was never any deliberate murder done by Hitler who signed the havaara agreement which allowed German jews to get to British Palestine Nd buy up land. There is a lot of misinformation about world war 2 which is speed out to the public.
Have you asked what happened in Weimar Germany? What was happening in Soviet Russia at that time also? Do you know how many Russians were killed in the holodomors done by Stalin and Lenin?
Jews were killed in gas chambers that were all and only located in the territory that Stalin conquered, and then the bodies of millions of victims were burned with a huge investment of fuel until Germany lost the war because it ran out of fuel.
Obviously just shooting the victims in a field and putting them in a mass grave would have been easier and cheaper, that's why literally everyone else that wanted to exterminate people did exactly that, but the Nazis wanted to look super evil.
German economy was just recovering at that time.how could they afford gas chambers? The only country using gas chambers at that time was America.
Winston Churchill never talked about the holocaust in his diaries.he only said that the bankers were angry with Hitler for rejecting them.
The Holodomor was done by Stalin, not Lenin. It also didn't kill Russians. It starved Ukraine and about two thirds of Ukrainian population died. The best book about it I've read is Execution By Hunger.
Half of those killed in German concentration camps were not Jewish. Six million Jews died in the camps but a total of 12 million died in the camps.
Around 22 million civilians died in World War II.
Nazi German in the 1930's was pushing Jewish Germans into exile and specifically to the Palestinian region but they also fleeced Jews that were trying to exit Germany. They took most of their money and property while they were trying to leave Germany. The genocide happened in the 1940's, not the 1930's.
You have good points although some of your facts are questionable.
Hitler never confiscated most of the Jewish wealth.the earliest German Jewish settlers in Palestine took most of their wealth and started creating settlements and businesses. Lot of the people who died in the camps were people from different countries and some people that were in those camps have a different narration which contradicts what the public is told most times ;I don’t think Hitler had it in mind just for his people.he became the monster he was fighting against.
There were three mass engineered targeted famines done by Stalin to the Ukrainians.Stalin killed more people in the Holodomor than Hitlers death count.
The world war 2 narrative become fishy when you question the motives of the Allies during the war and what General Patton discovered shortly after the war.Why would the USA and Britain give Poland back to the Soviets after Poland was just freed from the Nazis.
Jews who got out before 1934 were able to keep their wealth. After the Nuremberg laws were passed in 1934, Jews had on average 50% of their wealth confiscated and often couldn't even sell their homes or businesses.
Hitler didn't become a monster. He was a monster. That was clear the moment he took over the Thule society and made it the Nazi party. It's also laid out in Mein Kampf. He started out as a sexless, vegan, mediocre artist, corporal version of a soyboy (he was probably a male prostitute as well) and ended up a drug addled junkie incompetent unbalanced nutcase rambling about how the german people weren't good enough for him before he killed himself.
The Russian famine of 1920's wasn't the result of Holodomor. It was a result of Lenin's program to push collectivization on the farms and the Kulak Hunt. It was not specific to Ukraine. The 1930's push for collectivization of the farms under Stalin were intended to cause mass starvation in the Ukraine. It was not a bug of the collectivization policy. It was by deliberate design.
The USA and the UK (you left out the French) did not "give back" Poland to the USSR. The Soviets simply refused to leave the nations they conquered. The USSR, which means Stalin at this point, completely reneged on the Yalta agreement. After WWII, western Europe and the U.S. simply didn't want any more war. The U.S. was losing around 10,000 per month on average during the war and no free nation can keep on taking casualties like that month after month.
Hitler was a disciplined brilliant artist.he might be a mad man but he is far from a Soyboy. Do you think the Jews were totally innocent especially when you have to consider that most of the first Bolsheviks were jews?
Do you know how jews ran the Weimar Republic to the ground and introduced all manner of degeneracy to the society?
The actions of Lenin and Stalin was very bad and the USA was brought into the war through fraudulent means.Lot of Americans did not want to get into the war.USA was fairly neutral for a long time until they were attacked by the Japanese who strikes at them after the USA stopped supplying oil to them. Why did USA and UK not invade the soviets immediately after the War especially when the soviets were weak at that point?
The germans were subjected to some of the harshest treatment ever by the soviets.it was documented by Patton who also noticed how the USA power structure started changing.
Lot of people in Europe get imprisoned when they try to do revisionist history on the holocaust.what are the elites hiding?
Research more on General Patton and David Cole.
I read about the economic situation in the west.
Again, Hitler was a vegan virgin who fancied himself an artist that lived in a homeless shelter. He ended up a drug addled, unbalanced junkie that blamed the German people for his incompetence and losing the war while the USSR, his most hated enemy, marched into his country and the allies split it into fourths. If you think that's brilliance, you probably get tricked by street hustlers while stopped at red lights.
I have a lot of disagreements with Judaism starting with their bigotry against Christians. however, I don't think any group or any individual is completely innocent. Of course, Jewish cultural and religious isolationism makes them a target but it's also what has allowed them to maintain their identity for the last 4,000 years. Yes, secular and liberal Jews that reject their religion tend to go all off half cocked in the totally opposite direction and become deranged multiculturalist wild eyed fanatical communists. Just like Catholics who become atheists turn abortion into a sacrament and perverted sex into a daily ritual. Protestants who abandon their faith end up as corrupt careerist that will do anything for a promotion while harboring a bitter hatred for all of humanity in their cold and murderous hearts.
We did get involved in WWI and WWII. I don't know how history would have gone had we stayed out of WWI or WWII. I do think both Woodrow Wilson and FDR did lie us into both wars. Specifically about WWII, Germany didn't bomb Pearl Harbor. Japan did. I also don't think it was encumbent upon the U.S. to go over to Europe and save them from Germany again.
You are right that a disproportionate number of Jews composed both the mensheviks and the bolscheviks. However, if we're going to blame any group of people aside from the communists for the USSR, the blame would lie with Germany for building Lenin a train, putting him aboard it and sending that soyboy radical nutcase into Russia during WWI and aiding his revolution. Germany was the "Soros" of its time when it fomented both the menshevik and Bolshevik revolution in Russia.
you are right that USSR treated Germans mercilessly after WWII. The USSR treated everyone that way though. The Germans were pretty merciless to the Russians too. Let me tell ya something 'bout that vegan virgin, Hitler, whom you think is brilliant. If that soyboy noodle armed wimp had one neuron firing properly in his crazy junkie brain, he should have welcomed the Russians into the Reich with open arms in his first blitzkreig into the country. Ukraine, Belaruse, the Baltics, most of Russia west of Moscow would have bowed down to him like a god if he had treated them even half ways better than Stalin did. Hitler is a strategic and tactical idiot and the only thing he ever had going for him is the fact that the Germans hated the chaos and depression after WWI and Rommel was brilliant. unfortuantely, that stunted manlet Hitler also killed the only flippin general in the Nazi army that had some sense, Rommel. Probably because Rommel tried to assassinate Hitler which makes Rommel even more brilliant.
oh, when anyone tells me to "read up about the economic situation" red warning lights immediately go off in my mind saying "oh mygosh, another one of those lefty tards that try to reduce everything down to economics and the almighty petrol dollar and can't see the darn forest through the trees because they're so obsessed making their dumbbutt theory fit reality instead of seeing reality AS IT IS.
Let me give you some advice, if you want to be wiser, smarter, and more intelligent than 90% of people on planet Earth, seek to understand the world as it is. Not how you wish it. Not through one or two aspects. Not through a theory. Not as bad or good or devoid of any morality. Not as a thing to be used for propaganda, evidence or persuasion but seek to understand the world AS IT IS. That is the ultimate truth.
The Armenians weren't enemies of the Turks anymore than the Jews were enemies of the Germans, so I don't think this can really explain the discrepancy.
I honestly do not care if subsequent generations never ever hear about the "holocaust". I am sick of hearing about it. I think the fixation on the holocaust has distorted the rest of the 20th century. I wish there had never been the Nuremberg Trials and we had never ever heard the phrase "Crimes Against Humanity" because it gave the liberals too much power and allowed the commie lefties to ride naive liberals' coattails into power. The story of WWII should have been, Hitler was a mad man who tried to socially, racially and economically engineer the entirety of Europe, Russia and North Africa through war and mass murders. He fought a war against all his neighbors and ended up dead in a bunker while his country burned and then was divided up between the allies.
He would have had a "secret weapon" that would work too. Ahahahahaha! Germans didn't know what to do with their technology. Hitler didn't understand it and neither did his generals.
That's because 55% of their teachers think it occurred in WWII, 19% of their teachers think it occurred in WWI, 2% of their teachers their it occurred in Vietnam...
I think it’s important to remember what happened with Hitler. Especially his early rise and his beliefs.
It’s important because some of the same stuff is happening now. Rising racism and scapegoating.
There are different types of racism, and hitlers is the worst type. It’s the racism of feeling oppressed by a group. That you have to get revenge and payback.
It often leads to genocide and mass murder. Yet it’s happening now. That is why evil acts against someone is never justifiable. We cannot let it be justifiable .
When a person calls for violence against another group that needs to be called out. We also need to remind people that Hitler was a leftist.
And how many millennials know of the genocide of millions of Germans after WWII? Or the genocides of Greeks, Armenian, and others at the hands of the Turks? Or of the millions of white people kidnapped and enslaved by Muslims? Or of the Rwanda genocide?
If anything, the holocaust is hugely overrepresented in history books. I wonder why.
The Nazi holocaust also targeted Gypsies and disabled people in addition to Jews. The death toll from the genocides you mentioned, collectively, does not come close to the death toll from the holocaust.
Genocides are all awful and I agree with you that these other atrocities should be given greater attention; the holocaust, however, is not overrepresented. What’s underrepresented is the death toll under communism including the regimes of Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.
Fun fact all of Hitler’s genocide victims would be considered white today.
It depends on how you define “white”. I certainly wouldn’t consider Gypsies and middle easterners to be white. There are a lot of Jews with mostly European DNA so they could pass off as white.
Holocaust is way, way overrepresented. It's not a matter of giving it attention proportional to the number of victims. What that matters is that we learn from all genocides so that hopefully they won't happen again.
Every other genocide I mentioned tells you a story that our young people desperately need to hear.
The size of the genocide is extremely relevant when it comes to the amount of attention given to that particular genocide; smaller genocides should be taught in history classes but they aren’t nearly equal to the holocaust in terms of scale.
The same thing is true for wars; the two World Wars are given more emphasis because they occurred on such a large scale.
That's ridiculous.
So what is more relevant? The genocides of ISIS which happened a few years ago in the name of an ideology that is still very strong today, or a genocide that happened 80 years ago in a completely different geopolitical situation and commit by a nation that has made atonement and an ideology that doesn't exist anymore?
It’s not ridiculous. Things that happen on a much larger scale get more emphasis and attention historically. National socialist(Nazi) ideology does still exist.
I agree that atrocities happening now should be given more attention.
Don't forget the Soviets, who murdered millions as well.
Who writes the history books?
Polish Jews also genocided ethnic Germans shortly before the invasion. Men women and children
Are you Jewish?
Of course not, goy. And don't forget muh gorillion
You sound like a Jew whining about the holocaust, like you're the only people who have been persecuted in history. Are you trying to instill white guilt in people so that we give up our land?
What gave you away is "no reason". If you think that there was absolutely no reason for the persecutions of the Jews (right or wrong), you're either lying or you're terribly uninformed.
Your rhetorical tricks don't work on me.
Saying that there were reasons for the persecutions does not imply that those reasons justified the persecutions.
It's actually the opposite: if you want to avoid a thing happening again you should put an effort into understanding why it happened in the first place.
Most the holocaust victims came from Poland, Ukraine, and surrounding countries. There was not a significant Jewish population in Germany itself. If your interested the book Bloodlands is a good account of this.
Uhhh...you kinda are mistaken...severely.
Reported.
So, I guess EVERYBODY that disagrees with you is a Nazi.
Makes sense.
That is BS.those who died at the camps died of starvation not a result of a gas chamber .there was never any deliberate murder done by Hitler who signed the havaara agreement which allowed German jews to get to British Palestine Nd buy up land. There is a lot of misinformation about world war 2 which is speed out to the public. Have you asked what happened in Weimar Germany? What was happening in Soviet Russia at that time also? Do you know how many Russians were killed in the holodomors done by Stalin and Lenin?
Jews were killed in gas chambers that were all and only located in the territory that Stalin conquered, and then the bodies of millions of victims were burned with a huge investment of fuel until Germany lost the war because it ran out of fuel. Obviously just shooting the victims in a field and putting them in a mass grave would have been easier and cheaper, that's why literally everyone else that wanted to exterminate people did exactly that, but the Nazis wanted to look super evil.
German economy was just recovering at that time.how could they afford gas chambers? The only country using gas chambers at that time was America. Winston Churchill never talked about the holocaust in his diaries.he only said that the bankers were angry with Hitler for rejecting them.
The Holodomor was done by Stalin, not Lenin. It also didn't kill Russians. It starved Ukraine and about two thirds of Ukrainian population died. The best book about it I've read is Execution By Hunger.
Half of those killed in German concentration camps were not Jewish. Six million Jews died in the camps but a total of 12 million died in the camps.
Around 22 million civilians died in World War II.
Nazi German in the 1930's was pushing Jewish Germans into exile and specifically to the Palestinian region but they also fleeced Jews that were trying to exit Germany. They took most of their money and property while they were trying to leave Germany. The genocide happened in the 1940's, not the 1930's.
You have good points although some of your facts are questionable. Hitler never confiscated most of the Jewish wealth.the earliest German Jewish settlers in Palestine took most of their wealth and started creating settlements and businesses. Lot of the people who died in the camps were people from different countries and some people that were in those camps have a different narration which contradicts what the public is told most times ;I don’t think Hitler had it in mind just for his people.he became the monster he was fighting against. There were three mass engineered targeted famines done by Stalin to the Ukrainians.Stalin killed more people in the Holodomor than Hitlers death count.
The world war 2 narrative become fishy when you question the motives of the Allies during the war and what General Patton discovered shortly after the war.Why would the USA and Britain give Poland back to the Soviets after Poland was just freed from the Nazis.
Jews who got out before 1934 were able to keep their wealth. After the Nuremberg laws were passed in 1934, Jews had on average 50% of their wealth confiscated and often couldn't even sell their homes or businesses.
Hitler didn't become a monster. He was a monster. That was clear the moment he took over the Thule society and made it the Nazi party. It's also laid out in Mein Kampf. He started out as a sexless, vegan, mediocre artist, corporal version of a soyboy (he was probably a male prostitute as well) and ended up a drug addled junkie incompetent unbalanced nutcase rambling about how the german people weren't good enough for him before he killed himself.
The Russian famine of 1920's wasn't the result of Holodomor. It was a result of Lenin's program to push collectivization on the farms and the Kulak Hunt. It was not specific to Ukraine. The 1930's push for collectivization of the farms under Stalin were intended to cause mass starvation in the Ukraine. It was not a bug of the collectivization policy. It was by deliberate design.
The USA and the UK (you left out the French) did not "give back" Poland to the USSR. The Soviets simply refused to leave the nations they conquered. The USSR, which means Stalin at this point, completely reneged on the Yalta agreement. After WWII, western Europe and the U.S. simply didn't want any more war. The U.S. was losing around 10,000 per month on average during the war and no free nation can keep on taking casualties like that month after month.
Hitler was a disciplined brilliant artist.he might be a mad man but he is far from a Soyboy. Do you think the Jews were totally innocent especially when you have to consider that most of the first Bolsheviks were jews? Do you know how jews ran the Weimar Republic to the ground and introduced all manner of degeneracy to the society? The actions of Lenin and Stalin was very bad and the USA was brought into the war through fraudulent means.Lot of Americans did not want to get into the war.USA was fairly neutral for a long time until they were attacked by the Japanese who strikes at them after the USA stopped supplying oil to them. Why did USA and UK not invade the soviets immediately after the War especially when the soviets were weak at that point? The germans were subjected to some of the harshest treatment ever by the soviets.it was documented by Patton who also noticed how the USA power structure started changing. Lot of people in Europe get imprisoned when they try to do revisionist history on the holocaust.what are the elites hiding? Research more on General Patton and David Cole. I read about the economic situation in the west.
Again, Hitler was a vegan virgin who fancied himself an artist that lived in a homeless shelter. He ended up a drug addled, unbalanced junkie that blamed the German people for his incompetence and losing the war while the USSR, his most hated enemy, marched into his country and the allies split it into fourths. If you think that's brilliance, you probably get tricked by street hustlers while stopped at red lights.
I have a lot of disagreements with Judaism starting with their bigotry against Christians. however, I don't think any group or any individual is completely innocent. Of course, Jewish cultural and religious isolationism makes them a target but it's also what has allowed them to maintain their identity for the last 4,000 years. Yes, secular and liberal Jews that reject their religion tend to go all off half cocked in the totally opposite direction and become deranged multiculturalist wild eyed fanatical communists. Just like Catholics who become atheists turn abortion into a sacrament and perverted sex into a daily ritual. Protestants who abandon their faith end up as corrupt careerist that will do anything for a promotion while harboring a bitter hatred for all of humanity in their cold and murderous hearts.
We did get involved in WWI and WWII. I don't know how history would have gone had we stayed out of WWI or WWII. I do think both Woodrow Wilson and FDR did lie us into both wars. Specifically about WWII, Germany didn't bomb Pearl Harbor. Japan did. I also don't think it was encumbent upon the U.S. to go over to Europe and save them from Germany again.
You are right that a disproportionate number of Jews composed both the mensheviks and the bolscheviks. However, if we're going to blame any group of people aside from the communists for the USSR, the blame would lie with Germany for building Lenin a train, putting him aboard it and sending that soyboy radical nutcase into Russia during WWI and aiding his revolution. Germany was the "Soros" of its time when it fomented both the menshevik and Bolshevik revolution in Russia.
you are right that USSR treated Germans mercilessly after WWII. The USSR treated everyone that way though. The Germans were pretty merciless to the Russians too. Let me tell ya something 'bout that vegan virgin, Hitler, whom you think is brilliant. If that soyboy noodle armed wimp had one neuron firing properly in his crazy junkie brain, he should have welcomed the Russians into the Reich with open arms in his first blitzkreig into the country. Ukraine, Belaruse, the Baltics, most of Russia west of Moscow would have bowed down to him like a god if he had treated them even half ways better than Stalin did. Hitler is a strategic and tactical idiot and the only thing he ever had going for him is the fact that the Germans hated the chaos and depression after WWI and Rommel was brilliant. unfortuantely, that stunted manlet Hitler also killed the only flippin general in the Nazi army that had some sense, Rommel. Probably because Rommel tried to assassinate Hitler which makes Rommel even more brilliant.
oh, when anyone tells me to "read up about the economic situation" red warning lights immediately go off in my mind saying "oh mygosh, another one of those lefty tards that try to reduce everything down to economics and the almighty petrol dollar and can't see the darn forest through the trees because they're so obsessed making their dumbbutt theory fit reality instead of seeing reality AS IT IS.
Let me give you some advice, if you want to be wiser, smarter, and more intelligent than 90% of people on planet Earth, seek to understand the world as it is. Not how you wish it. Not through one or two aspects. Not through a theory. Not as bad or good or devoid of any morality. Not as a thing to be used for propaganda, evidence or persuasion but seek to understand the world AS IT IS. That is the ultimate truth.
Mel is based
Hehe.he is a good traditional catholic who is red-pilled.
The Armenians weren't enemies of the Turks anymore than the Jews were enemies of the Germans, so I don't think this can really explain the discrepancy.
I honestly do not care if subsequent generations never ever hear about the "holocaust". I am sick of hearing about it. I think the fixation on the holocaust has distorted the rest of the 20th century. I wish there had never been the Nuremberg Trials and we had never ever heard the phrase "Crimes Against Humanity" because it gave the liberals too much power and allowed the commie lefties to ride naive liberals' coattails into power. The story of WWII should have been, Hitler was a mad man who tried to socially, racially and economically engineer the entirety of Europe, Russia and North Africa through war and mass murders. He fought a war against all his neighbors and ended up dead in a bunker while his country burned and then was divided up between the allies.
He would have had a "secret weapon" that would work too. Ahahahahaha! Germans didn't know what to do with their technology. Hitler didn't understand it and neither did his generals.
What happened to the remaining 23%?
Probably too dumb to know it even happened.
That's because 55% of their teachers think it occurred in WWII, 19% of their teachers think it occurred in WWI, 2% of their teachers their it occurred in Vietnam...
Asking the real questions here lol.
Wooden doors Tone, I swear on me muddah.
I think it’s important to remember what happened with Hitler. Especially his early rise and his beliefs.
It’s important because some of the same stuff is happening now. Rising racism and scapegoating.
There are different types of racism, and hitlers is the worst type. It’s the racism of feeling oppressed by a group. That you have to get revenge and payback.
It often leads to genocide and mass murder. Yet it’s happening now. That is why evil acts against someone is never justifiable. We cannot let it be justifiable .
When a person calls for violence against another group that needs to be called out. We also need to remind people that Hitler was a leftist.
A failure of academia. Basic history has been replaced with trans gender studies.
What's the demographic breakdown of those numbers.
I think it's: 50% Dumbass, 40 % Hopeless Idiots, 10% Useful Idiots.
But, 100% of them could NOT define what it allegedly was.
And the rest believe it didn’t happen at all🤪.