Public isn’t, and it’s expensive because students can’t go bankrupt so colleges can just keep charging more and more. This is combined with the pressure from media and prior schooling to go to college to get a good paying job, well this is what monopolies look like.
I mainly meant that public schools aren’t supposed to be for profit but that it’s fair game for private ones. Issue is we don’t have a true free market for schools right now.
but honestly, what I see happening is eventually there will be a big push for online school and I am not talking government run. Why the hell do I need to go to a college to learn about history and many other subjects? There should be online courses that are free and high quality. Self-study being the primary method of advancement for the student. Maybe have proctored exams by going to prometric to get credit. Once you complete a certain series of courses you can get a certificate or more formal degree. For stuff that requires in-person work then what you can do is have it where most of the theory stuff is self-studied and then you apply for an in-person program that is only 6 months. That would save an immense amount of money for students.
The VAST MAJORITY of subjects are what I would call textbook subjects where you can just self-study it - computer science, engineering, math, chemistry, history etc. The ones that do require some in-person courses they can still be made more efficient using the method I describe. Think about something like nursing. You can self-study all the course for 2-3 years then apply for a 6 month program where you learn how to administer a shot, deliver a baby, give CPR and other nursing sills like that.
I have the exact same impression too. I work in the accounting profession and as you can guess, all of accounting (the formal rules) can be learned through self-study and through a textbook. When I was taking my accounting courses, I would always just sit there in class and just think of how wasteful it was to have an accounting course like this - you have to drive to the class, you waste time waiting for the class to start, other students are distracting during class, then drive back home etc. - very inefficient system.
It just boggles my mind that very little has changed since my undergrad years some 10 years ago.
Also my wife is a kindergarten teacher and I can tell you the teacher unions are already setting up the current online school to be made out as a complete failure. Teachers don't really admit it but they're paranoid about being replaced by computers and algorithms developed by some computer company.
Without CCPvirus lockdowns, at least HS should have drastically changed over a decade ago. Many problems can be reduced by allowing students to work at their own pace. Typically kids get a week's worth of work done in a few hours.
All the worries about social ostracization are bs. We still need the facility for testing, labs, PE, music, sports, and whatever else I've left out. Students will probably perform poorly in subjects they hate. Some students will perform poorly without the structured classroom setting. So you reduce the school population at any given time by probably well over a third, which plays well to the crowd that's paranoid about spread of communicable disease. Meanwhile everything else improves drastically. At the College level this is true even moreso.
The point I'm making is don't borrow money if you don't intend to repay it.
Fair enough -- but the bankers themselves don't play by that rule.
Public isn’t, and it’s expensive because students can’t go bankrupt so colleges can just keep charging more and more. This is combined with the pressure from media and prior schooling to go to college to get a good paying job, well this is what monopolies look like.
I mainly meant that public schools aren’t supposed to be for profit but that it’s fair game for private ones. Issue is we don’t have a true free market for schools right now.
Just follow the money....sorry had to do it.
but honestly, what I see happening is eventually there will be a big push for online school and I am not talking government run. Why the hell do I need to go to a college to learn about history and many other subjects? There should be online courses that are free and high quality. Self-study being the primary method of advancement for the student. Maybe have proctored exams by going to prometric to get credit. Once you complete a certain series of courses you can get a certificate or more formal degree. For stuff that requires in-person work then what you can do is have it where most of the theory stuff is self-studied and then you apply for an in-person program that is only 6 months. That would save an immense amount of money for students.
The VAST MAJORITY of subjects are what I would call textbook subjects where you can just self-study it - computer science, engineering, math, chemistry, history etc. The ones that do require some in-person courses they can still be made more efficient using the method I describe. Think about something like nursing. You can self-study all the course for 2-3 years then apply for a 6 month program where you learn how to administer a shot, deliver a baby, give CPR and other nursing sills like that.
I have the exact same impression too. I work in the accounting profession and as you can guess, all of accounting (the formal rules) can be learned through self-study and through a textbook. When I was taking my accounting courses, I would always just sit there in class and just think of how wasteful it was to have an accounting course like this - you have to drive to the class, you waste time waiting for the class to start, other students are distracting during class, then drive back home etc. - very inefficient system.
It just boggles my mind that very little has changed since my undergrad years some 10 years ago.
Also my wife is a kindergarten teacher and I can tell you the teacher unions are already setting up the current online school to be made out as a complete failure. Teachers don't really admit it but they're paranoid about being replaced by computers and algorithms developed by some computer company.
What are your thoughts about Penn Foster Career school?
I don know nuffin bout birthin no babies!
Without CCPvirus lockdowns, at least HS should have drastically changed over a decade ago. Many problems can be reduced by allowing students to work at their own pace. Typically kids get a week's worth of work done in a few hours.
All the worries about social ostracization are bs. We still need the facility for testing, labs, PE, music, sports, and whatever else I've left out. Students will probably perform poorly in subjects they hate. Some students will perform poorly without the structured classroom setting. So you reduce the school population at any given time by probably well over a third, which plays well to the crowd that's paranoid about spread of communicable disease. Meanwhile everything else improves drastically. At the College level this is true even moreso.