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There are many in that same crowd. Remember herd immunity is achieved at under 20%. Many places have already attained herd immunity such as Sweden, New York City, and many others.
Got to go back around April and watch how the media was railing on Trump during his daily Rona task force briefings on TESTING, TESTING, TESTING! They didn't want to talk about treatments or even the vaccine. The testing threw a wrench into everything and gave them exactly what they needed to build it up bigger than it really was. Then as expected, we saw labs and data reporting agencies manipulating all of it. Thankfully Trump forced all them to report directly to HHS and now we're seeing that aspect fall away.
Yeah, I am not a fan of the overhyped testing. Treat the symptoms, figure out a treatment, but this constant testing and finding asymptomatic cases makes me think it is overblown.
Well, to be fair, there was something that is close to the flu that caused deaths, but we are talking about a very minor death count. Here are the numbers - and be reminded that I checked Germany, Britain, Sweden and partly US, and numbers were often overblown - and for some reason Britain had it worst, which is still only 0.14% of the population - and be reminded that these are official numbers and are therefore possibly overblown as well:
Annual Generic Death Rate [Deaths / Population size]
Germany, Britain, Italy, Japan: 1.0-1.1%
USA: 0.75%
Covid Death Rate [Deaths / Population Size] with official numbers as baseline [F = Mask-Free] [V = Verified] [C = Corrected & V]
Ideally, they change the site so that anyone posting links to that Trump Coins site is automatically banned and their post never even shows up. Then the problem goes away.
same BS with testing as well. Remember that last 'muh 2nd wave' caused by counting ANTIBODY tests as ACTIVE POSTIVE CASES? and now they're doing the same with ANTIGEN Positives, but more sinister imo is counting repeated tests for the same individual multiple times, and even worse is counting 'PRESUMED' cases where NO TEST happened. Family member A gets tested and positive - contact tracers discover 4 add'l people in that household - guess what, add 4 cases to the daily count.
The virus is real, but the reaction to it is complete BS
Well what am I missing? Plenty of asymptomatic people are getting tested, for some unknown fucking reason. But if the test isn't to determine if you have a specific virus,covid-19, then what's it for?
Taking a vaccine for covid makes no sense for most people, taking a rushed one that skipped animal testing and the companies all forced governments to assume liability because it's too risky makes sense for literally no one. However, if it makes dumb people go back to normal I'm fine with it.
My only concern would be that people will blame him if it causes problems. They'll blame him for everything anyway though, and it won't be until after the election, at which point who cares what they think.
Actually this would be the perfect time for a placebo vaccine...
That makes no sense, they need people alive to rule over and have power, and to make money for them, and they don't seem to have much trouble controlling and manipulating societies all over the world despite the high populations, so what would any powerful elite have to gain by murdering huge swathes of people with vaccines? It's like saying a fox would burn the hen house down when he's already in it and taking the chicken's eggs whenever he feels like.
Since i heard about them, i've always had the feeling they were somebody's epic troll, or possibly some autists with money. I've never seen any convincing evidence that they're actually connected to any real group of hyper wealthy and powerful elites.
Yeah I don't know why i said murdering, I know what sterilization means. Still doesn't make sense to me, and also I don't think the elites actually believe the environmental crap they push, they just use it for control, it's a great way to seize and consolidate power. All these rich people live on the coasts and private islands and own properties including large investments at or even below sea level, people have done analysis of it, what % of wealthy people who scream about climate change that own properties that are supposedly going to be under water soon. It doesn't add up. If anybody actually believed the models land inland would be worth a fortune, all the rich people would buy it, and all the poor people would have beachfront ghettos.
Is it necessary for population control in America at this point? Child birth is already at record low, so is marriage rate, despite the millennial population is coming of age. Contrary to conventional wisdom, there's no baby boom during the lockdown, but rather a baby bust. I'd rather be concerned about a secret chip or some kind of detectable chemical in the vaccine like the mark of the Beast, if you don't get vaxxed, you'd be banned from all public places and public activities.
“There’s a few reasons to think that this is something that we shouldn’t be doing,” said Nicholas Evans, an assistant professor in the Department of Philosophy at the University of Massachusetts Lowell, according to The New Republic.
He said this trial isn't just doing away with a significant safety step, it's also skipping the important step of learning, through the animal trial, if the vaccine will be useful at all.
“So this is a pretty big deal," he said.
Animal trials almost always precede human trials but Moderna managed to convince the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to give the green light for conducting human trials while animal tests are still ongoing. The animal trials began at the same time as the human trial began recruiting participants back in March.
I am in the NYC area live and work there, I do think we have herd immunity here.
At my work which has never been shutdown and runs trains and buses....very larger work force and there is very few mask and no one is sick sense April.......The bonus is most of the workers are pro Trump :) NY is in Play!
The virus will still be wiped out even if people don't take the vaccine. The vaccine simply accelerates the process of getting enough people with immunity. Plus it doesn't matter if a certain amount of the population doesn't want it because the vaccine will be hard to get when it is first approved. Not getting the vaccine simply helps other people get it quicker who probably need it more.
Problem is if you don't get it, good luck entering any business, working your job, or flying anywhere. Nazi-esque vaccine certificates are in our near future
Once all remedy options to the CCP virus are available and all efforts to create remedies have been completely accomplished as much as humanly possible, states can be forced to reopen and courts are more likely to side with reopening because refusing to reopen will start to be seen as a rejection of many available remedies and therapeutics.
Virginia's Governor Coonman begs to differ. Mandatory vaccination is already announced. Only punishments for non-compliance have yet to have been announced.
From what I can gather, the vaccine isn’t popular even amongst the very scared. I really don’t think they’ll be able to get away with mandatory vaccination.
"I really don’t think they’ll be able to get away with mandatory vaccination." Why wouldn't they? Look at what is being gotten away with now, that is much less of a thing to get away with in comparison to burning down cities with impunity.
The appropriate official "news" and scaremongering and threats will be employed to make sure the sheep want and demand this vaccine. For one, you will not be allowed to enter stores, banks, doctor's offices, etc. without a certificate of vaccination. Initially it will be "either a mask or certificate", and getting rid of the annoying mask will be an incentive also
Eh, like I said, there doesn’t seem to be widespread support for getting vaccinated. Nobody wants that shit. The mask thing has worked because it’s relatively noninvasive and makes normies feel better. An untested vaccine does not.
If Gov. Abbott came up to me and said "jump into this pool of C19 infected water and show us that you'll be OK afterwards, and I'll end the shutdowns and mask orders"... I'd do it. I've caught just about every bug out there and got over it in days. As kids we would drink water from the sidewalk gutter using our Otter Pop wrappers. I'm that confident with my own immune system and know I could get over anything but beyond all of that, we all know we've been duped.
Draining the corrupt elements from national governments who would use pandemics (deadly or not) as a means to advance their political agendas would also benefit mankind. And that is what our focus is here. TD was never meant be a forum for vaccine development, it was about achieving meaningful change against the entrenched political class of American society. Even if the COVID vaccine was an honest thing, we would still reject it because we haven't yet fixed the problems with our elected leadership. And even if we did, most would surely argue against being forced to take anything, because it implies a level of trust in government that is antithetical to a free society.
To me, the skepticism of TD has nothing to do with our understanding and appreciation of scientific accomplishments. It has everything to do with the motivations of the bureaucracy that wields scientists as a means to achieve it's own goals, many of which are counter to our own social and physical well-being. You can look at nearly any government-managed project and see the logic behind this perspective.
Anyone see David Shillcock's livestream last night where he was blubbering about the awful things HW Bush said to Obama? Awww poor Obama had reasons for his evil crimes against humanity!
Yes. I used to read/watch his content until within the last year he said stuff that doesn't jive with a legit truther. How Oprah was awesome and about how one of his videos inspired a Q post that dropped shortly thereafter. I don't trust him, likely controlled opposition.
They already do think he's the second coming of Jesus Like the nobel peace prize, he got that label by simply showing up. Liberals have such low standards.
It's very real. But lets be honest here, it's because they want to keep the public scared so they enact more crazy policies that strip your constitutional rights away. it was never about people's lives, it was about making Trump look bad, ruining the economy, and keeping the public in fear
Fear is very profitable for the media. Just wait until the next new flu comes around during the bomb cyclone and we are forced to shelter in place but there is nothing to do because net neutrality killed the internet.
If Trump solved Middle East peace, he'd still be hated by the haters of the hate-left. Their platform is hate. Their chief emotion is hate. Their news media sells mainly hate. Their professors bathe in teaching hate. Their entertainers spew vile hate every chance they get. Their rioters demonstrate hate.
I’m not an antivaxxer. I have vaccinations and so do my children.
I am an anti-brand-new-never-tested-vaxxer. Fuck that. We have great and proven vaccinations out there. Anything they come out with for the Wuhan virus won’t be great or proven.
I'm the same. I'm not trusting something that only just came out, and hasn't been tested for a while. Plus vaccines for the flu are useless. The flu always mutates every flu season. The best way to deal with the flu is to have a healthy diet.
It's also worth noting that vaccines are not perfect. There have been major problems with vaccines in the past, and there will be major problems with vaccines in the future. I'm not going to be a trial for an experiment.
It's also a slippery slope we are on, leading towards mandatory vaccines. It's my opinion that once the government has control over what it decides to force inject you with, all liberty is lost at that point. We are supposed to stand by and allow panels of "experts" decide what we must inject?? Yea freaking right. Many normies might be brainwashed into thinking that's ok now, but what about 10, 20, 50 years from now? What about when they decide you must get DNA altering vaccines, depression vaccines, or any number of other type of "vaccines" that they come up with?
Fall 2020 - Until the vaccine is in use for at least a year!
Blue States will continue their endless lockdowns until a Democrat becomes President.
Even getting a bailout won't stop the lockdowns.
In fact, if they get a bailout, they'll lockdown their states even more tomorrow, sit on the cash until election day and somehow blame President Trump.
My doctor highly recommended I skip the vaccine (Unless it were mandatory) Because there is not enough long term testing done to ensure people would have low costs (safe) high benefits (immunity) to getting the vaccine. Usually they take 5 years she said for a typical vaccine lead time.
I use direct primary care so she is awesome, she spends as much time as she needs for us and is Christian. Probably the best value for my money without needing to go through insurance, highly recommend doing some research on DPC
Even if your company requires it, your children’s school requires it? Are you prepared to leave your job and home school your children?
This is the question many will be facing in the near future. Most will succumb to the will of their leftists leaders, as they aren’t prepared to do these things.
I have seen Trump make leftists flip on a lot of issues, but I never thought he could make the left go Anti-Vax.
That is one of the most indoctrinated, accept without question or discussion, topics of the left. I would say it's more sacred than climate change.
Yet now, these people who have been saying for years vaccines must be mandatory that no human being should ever be able to refuse to have put in them, are speaking out against Trump's COVID vaccine.
I never thought he could make the left go Anti-Vax.
You're right. This is the biggest, most fun 180 from leftists I've ever seen the President achieve. The press conference where they were bitching about vaccines and mail-in voting BOTH on the same day was hilarious.
Then the next day, they all turned on the CDC, hahaha.
We should call it the "Free Trump Vaccine" over and over again.
And ask people if they are going to take the "Free Trump Vaccine?"
Liberals will refuse and we can tell them that it's like wearing a mask to protect others, which of course, will make them want to get vaccine even less.
I think a lot of the anger is from Trump constantly proving that these people were wrong about him. For any Trump hater, every one of Trump’s successes is going to grind them.
Trump's peace deal had Democrats in a rage the entire day. illhan omar could be heard screeching for miles when her terrorist friends were completely ignored into irrelevance.
I was thinking today about how faith in universal Christ consciousness may be a spiritual vaccine against the dark energies controlling the global matrix.
At this point, the "vaccine" could be a total placebo and it would have the intended effect: The virus cases would drop to near zero, evrything would reopen, and no one would be harmed.
I wouldn't even be mad. It's really the perfect solution.
Since he'll have to take the vaccine first to be a leader etc. He should publicly invite Biden to take it with him at the same time. It's a win win, Biden shows up he's creating "unity" and the vaccine is blessed by both sides. Biden doesn't show up he's an anti-vaxer and is putting politics before lives.
Alright, sorry but imma trust the Trump administration on this one bud.
Trails here in the US go through a lot stricter trials to ensure safety than in India.
No, the Trump admin did not get rid of phase four testing. Several vaccines have already failed phase three. If something passes, it most likely works.
Technology and medical advancements have made a lot of progress since 2001. There are risks for all medicines, including vaccines. And you say they can’t test for long term cancer, like that doesn’t apply to all other vaccines. However, that doesn’t happen, does it?
I don't see what else they have left, alien invasion false flag? Honestly people are way too smart for them to pull that shit off now, it probably would've worked about 10 years ago but not now.
Right? One of my favorite memes of all time was the 'Nooo you can't just drive through our roadblock like we're not even there/ ha ha pickup go brrrrrrrr' i bring it up to look at it when I'm having a bad day.
In 1972, a cell culture grown from a fetus has been maintained and widely used to create a variety of vaccines for chickenpox, rabies and rubella for almost 50 years.
Cell lines can be classified as: 1) Endothelial such as BAE-1; 2) Epithelial such as HeLa; 3) Neuronal such as SH-SY5Y; 4) Fibroblast such as MRC-5.
HeLa stands for Henrietta Lacks. A young black mother who died in 1951. Her cancer cells were remarkable in how hardy and resistant they are. Fascinating story if you ever get chance to read on it.
Some - NOT all - of the virus vaccines are using aborted baby cells in them. I'm not sure exactly of how admittedly, but some of the vaccines in development use them.
I love how Trump herds the mainstream media around like cattle while he actually takes care of business elsewhere like peace in the middle east. I can't believe they still haven't figured it out.
Yep. I'm not going to say I'd never take it, I'm vaccine-positive generally but rushing it like this seems like a catastrophe waiting to happen. I grew up in the wake of the thalidomide tragedy.
Imagine subconsciously framing everything as a negative. Then imagine deliberately framing what is positive as negative. How exhausting and automaton-like. Such a toll.
Can your place of employment (hospital) force employees to take vaccine or wear a mask forever? My hospital makes employees wear masks for those who refuse the flu shot during flu season.
Assume the worst. Also, it's stupid how they force you to wear a mask during flu season, because we learned during the spanish flu that masks do jack shit.
They're sad because they're going to be fully voted out. They don't care about anything other than power. They don't give 2 shits about the people or what happens to them or their lives
But if too many lives are saved before election day, Trump might win again! Die, you worms! Why aren't enough of you dying? Jesus, throw your lives on the altar and die so we can win this election, worthless plebs!
Placebo vaccine being released for this years flu season would be great. Can't wait for the democrats to start going full conspiracy and do a complete 180 screaming about it. Maybe they'll finally shut the fuck up to all the people who refuse vaccines.
I'll take any vaccine the sitting President AND Vice President at the time it's made available take on national TV, with a doctor who has a history of speaking out against them and their COVID stances on hand to verify they're being given the real deal.
I personally will never take this vaccine. But if scared leftists need this to get out of the lockdown, then I'm happy that it's here so fast.
There are many in that same crowd. Remember herd immunity is achieved at under 20%. Many places have already attained herd immunity such as Sweden, New York City, and many others.
Make Herd Mentality Great Again
There was never a pandemic.
This. It was a statistical shell game from the very beginning.
Got to go back around April and watch how the media was railing on Trump during his daily Rona task force briefings on TESTING, TESTING, TESTING! They didn't want to talk about treatments or even the vaccine. The testing threw a wrench into everything and gave them exactly what they needed to build it up bigger than it really was. Then as expected, we saw labs and data reporting agencies manipulating all of it. Thankfully Trump forced all them to report directly to HHS and now we're seeing that aspect fall away.
Yeah, I am not a fan of the overhyped testing. Treat the symptoms, figure out a treatment, but this constant testing and finding asymptomatic cases makes me think it is overblown.
It's a PLANdemic!
Well, to be fair, there was something that is close to the flu that caused deaths, but we are talking about a very minor death count. Here are the numbers - and be reminded that I checked Germany, Britain, Sweden and partly US, and numbers were often overblown - and for some reason Britain had it worst, which is still only 0.14% of the population - and be reminded that these are official numbers and are therefore possibly overblown as well:
Annual Generic Death Rate [Deaths / Population size]
Covid Death Rate [Deaths / Population Size] with official numbers as baseline [F = Mask-Free] [V = Verified] [C = Corrected & V]
Hey look it's that spammer again. Deport.
Mods deport
Ideally, they change the site so that anyone posting links to that Trump Coins site is automatically banned and their post never even shows up. Then the problem goes away.
Lol
leave it, i love this! gotta have some humor!
same BS with testing as well. Remember that last 'muh 2nd wave' caused by counting ANTIBODY tests as ACTIVE POSTIVE CASES? and now they're doing the same with ANTIGEN Positives, but more sinister imo is counting repeated tests for the same individual multiple times, and even worse is counting 'PRESUMED' cases where NO TEST happened. Family member A gets tested and positive - contact tracers discover 4 add'l people in that household - guess what, add 4 cases to the daily count.
The virus is real, but the reaction to it is complete BS
Not to mention the test is just fucking bogus to begin with.
If you need a "test" to determine if you're sick...you're an idiot.
....It's not a test to determine if you're sick, it's to determine if you have a specific virus.
No it isn’t.
Well what am I missing? Plenty of asymptomatic people are getting tested, for some unknown fucking reason. But if the test isn't to determine if you have a specific virus,covid-19, then what's it for?
Taking a vaccine for covid makes no sense for most people, taking a rushed one that skipped animal testing and the companies all forced governments to assume liability because it's too risky makes sense for literally no one. However, if it makes dumb people go back to normal I'm fine with it.
My only concern would be that people will blame him if it causes problems. They'll blame him for everything anyway though, and it won't be until after the election, at which point who cares what they think.
Actually this would be the perfect time for a placebo vaccine...
placebo vaccine I love it
I've been saying for months that we need to just shoot up everyone who's dumb/scared with some saline and tell them they're good to go.
That would fix everything. All these people are too retarded to realize the difference
This is what I’m thinking. 99.99% effective (Reverse mirror of covid CFR)
Lol love my president
The vaccine should just be an IM multivitamin.
Or HCQ cocktail
I personally like a tall gin and tonic with half a lemon. HCQ is a pharmaceutical grade version of the natural quinine found in good tonic waters.
So... If I take the placebo vaccine, then... I can't catch the placebo?
consider that this is a new type of vaccine as well ... just waiting for the perfect storm of hysteria to be green lit. sauce is heavily biased by Pfizer but interesting spin on RNA
That makes no sense, they need people alive to rule over and have power, and to make money for them, and they don't seem to have much trouble controlling and manipulating societies all over the world despite the high populations, so what would any powerful elite have to gain by murdering huge swathes of people with vaccines? It's like saying a fox would burn the hen house down when he's already in it and taking the chicken's eggs whenever he feels like.
Visit the Georgia guidestones someday, calls for an earth with 50 million people max.
Since i heard about them, i've always had the feeling they were somebody's epic troll, or possibly some autists with money. I've never seen any convincing evidence that they're actually connected to any real group of hyper wealthy and powerful elites.
Have you seen the pool of blood on top of the stones where they do ritual sacrifice?
You thought it was just trollin, except GEE everything they’re saying is actually happening!
Yeah I don't know why i said murdering, I know what sterilization means. Still doesn't make sense to me, and also I don't think the elites actually believe the environmental crap they push, they just use it for control, it's a great way to seize and consolidate power. All these rich people live on the coasts and private islands and own properties including large investments at or even below sea level, people have done analysis of it, what % of wealthy people who scream about climate change that own properties that are supposedly going to be under water soon. It doesn't add up. If anybody actually believed the models land inland would be worth a fortune, all the rich people would buy it, and all the poor people would have beachfront ghettos.
Is it necessary for population control in America at this point? Child birth is already at record low, so is marriage rate, despite the millennial population is coming of age. Contrary to conventional wisdom, there's no baby boom during the lockdown, but rather a baby bust. I'd rather be concerned about a secret chip or some kind of detectable chemical in the vaccine like the mark of the Beast, if you don't get vaxxed, you'd be banned from all public places and public activities.
Not out of wedlock child birth rates those are skyrocketing! Every Shawneekwa and Porsha thotty got 5+ keeds.
Alex Jones spoke about this today.
FDA Testing for a drug or vaccine takes a minimum of 3 years, this is all bullshit.
Damn. This is the second time I've seen you spewing vaccine related shilling in two days. You're dead fucking wrong. They did skip key animal trials.
https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-update-vaccine-skips-important-animal-testing-phase-straight-human-trials-2941208
You appear to be correct, according to the NIH:
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/experimental-covid-19-vaccine-protects-upper-lower-airways-nonhuman-primates
Same article:
“There’s a few reasons to think that this is something that we shouldn’t be doing,” said Nicholas Evans, an assistant professor in the Department of Philosophy at the University of Massachusetts Lowell, according to The New Republic.
He said this trial isn't just doing away with a significant safety step, it's also skipping the important step of learning, through the animal trial, if the vaccine will be useful at all.
“So this is a pretty big deal," he said.
Animal trials almost always precede human trials but Moderna managed to convince the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to give the green light for conducting human trials while animal tests are still ongoing. The animal trials began at the same time as the human trial began recruiting participants back in March.
Source?
He's wrong
https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-update-vaccine-skips-important-animal-testing-phase-straight-human-trials-2941208
The Times lol.
One of Billy Goats vaccine hypemen.
15 to 25% are the best estimates we have from based researchers.
60+% from the science deniers.
I am in the NYC area live and work there, I do think we have herd immunity here.
At my work which has never been shutdown and runs trains and buses....very larger work force and there is very few mask and no one is sick sense April.......The bonus is most of the workers are pro Trump :) NY is in Play!
The virus will still be wiped out even if people don't take the vaccine. The vaccine simply accelerates the process of getting enough people with immunity. Plus it doesn't matter if a certain amount of the population doesn't want it because the vaccine will be hard to get when it is first approved. Not getting the vaccine simply helps other people get it quicker who probably need it more.
Problem is if you don't get it, good luck entering any business, working your job, or flying anywhere. Nazi-esque vaccine certificates are in our near future
You're missing the point.
Once all remedy options to the CCP virus are available and all efforts to create remedies have been completely accomplished as much as humanly possible, states can be forced to reopen and courts are more likely to side with reopening because refusing to reopen will start to be seen as a rejection of many available remedies and therapeutics.
Yup, it’s not about forcing anybody to take it, it’s about removing excuses.
Virginia's Governor Coonman begs to differ. Mandatory vaccination is already announced. Only punishments for non-compliance have yet to have been announced.
From what I can gather, the vaccine isn’t popular even amongst the very scared. I really don’t think they’ll be able to get away with mandatory vaccination.
"I really don’t think they’ll be able to get away with mandatory vaccination." Why wouldn't they? Look at what is being gotten away with now, that is much less of a thing to get away with in comparison to burning down cities with impunity.
The appropriate official "news" and scaremongering and threats will be employed to make sure the sheep want and demand this vaccine. For one, you will not be allowed to enter stores, banks, doctor's offices, etc. without a certificate of vaccination. Initially it will be "either a mask or certificate", and getting rid of the annoying mask will be an incentive also
Eh, like I said, there doesn’t seem to be widespread support for getting vaccinated. Nobody wants that shit. The mask thing has worked because it’s relatively noninvasive and makes normies feel better. An untested vaccine does not.
Well the funny thing about authoritarians is, they don't give a damn what the people want or don't want. They have absolute power in VA now.
Exactly
My man.
If Gov. Abbott came up to me and said "jump into this pool of C19 infected water and show us that you'll be OK afterwards, and I'll end the shutdowns and mask orders"... I'd do it. I've caught just about every bug out there and got over it in days. As kids we would drink water from the sidewalk gutter using our Otter Pop wrappers. I'm that confident with my own immune system and know I could get over anything but beyond all of that, we all know we've been duped.
You may not have COVID, but you will have a third arm growing from your forehead!
Sounds handy.
Democrats are truly a national disgrace. If Obama came out with a vaccine he would be the second coming of Jesus
FTFY.
Let's make sure our quotes are accurate and culturally sensitive, please.
Anonymous sources familiar with this line of thinking have confirmed.
I'm the only Obama who will be coming twice
True. Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize because he has dark colored skin.
The things we have learned are preparing us for the pandemic of Tyranny and the coming NWO.
than youuuuu this cuck above all sunshine and rainbows like things will go back to normal now
Draining the corrupt elements from national governments who would use pandemics (deadly or not) as a means to advance their political agendas would also benefit mankind. And that is what our focus is here. TD was never meant be a forum for vaccine development, it was about achieving meaningful change against the entrenched political class of American society. Even if the COVID vaccine was an honest thing, we would still reject it because we haven't yet fixed the problems with our elected leadership. And even if we did, most would surely argue against being forced to take anything, because it implies a level of trust in government that is antithetical to a free society.
To me, the skepticism of TD has nothing to do with our understanding and appreciation of scientific accomplishments. It has everything to do with the motivations of the bureaucracy that wields scientists as a means to achieve it's own goals, many of which are counter to our own social and physical well-being. You can look at nearly any government-managed project and see the logic behind this perspective.
Actually true
Anyone see David Shillcock's livestream last night where he was blubbering about the awful things HW Bush said to Obama? Awww poor Obama had reasons for his evil crimes against humanity!
You mean David Wilcock? I'd look it up but sounds pretty bad
Yes. I used to read/watch his content until within the last year he said stuff that doesn't jive with a legit truther. How Oprah was awesome and about how one of his videos inspired a Q post that dropped shortly thereafter. I don't trust him, likely controlled opposition.
Thanks. I used to watch his stuff too, didn't know he went off the rails. Thanks for the warning.
The agnostic equivalent for Obama supporters would probably be the 13th coming of Big Mike during Cuties.
They already do think he's the second coming of Jesus Like the nobel peace prize, he got that label by simply showing up. Liberals have such low standards.
The "if Trump cured cancer" meme is real.
If Trump walked on water, they'd make fun saying he can't swim.
They'd say he doesn't want to take his shirt off.
They would say he is hydrophobic
It's very real. But lets be honest here, it's because they want to keep the public scared so they enact more crazy policies that strip your constitutional rights away. it was never about people's lives, it was about making Trump look bad, ruining the economy, and keeping the public in fear
Fear is very profitable for the media. Just wait until the next new flu comes around during the bomb cyclone and we are forced to shelter in place but there is nothing to do because net neutrality killed the internet.
It was real from the moment he promoted HCQ.
If Trump solved Middle East peace, he'd still be hated by the haters of the hate-left. Their platform is hate. Their chief emotion is hate. Their news media sells mainly hate. Their professors bathe in teaching hate. Their entertainers spew vile hate every chance they get. Their rioters demonstrate hate.
SLEAZEFUL DEMONSTRHATERS
Kek! You're so right!
Democrats are now anti-vaxxers
I knew this would happen if vaccine development was fast, and many here on .win called it.
Haha should be a meme.
Would you like me to talk to you about the long term consequences of polio and measles?
"Half" the country wants us dead, we'd rather not make it easier for them by allowing forced injections from Dems.
I’m not an antivaxxer. I have vaccinations and so do my children.
I am an anti-brand-new-never-tested-vaxxer. Fuck that. We have great and proven vaccinations out there. Anything they come out with for the Wuhan virus won’t be great or proven.
I'm the same. I'm not trusting something that only just came out, and hasn't been tested for a while. Plus vaccines for the flu are useless. The flu always mutates every flu season. The best way to deal with the flu is to have a healthy diet.
It's also worth noting that vaccines are not perfect. There have been major problems with vaccines in the past, and there will be major problems with vaccines in the future. I'm not going to be a trial for an experiment.
It's also a slippery slope we are on, leading towards mandatory vaccines. It's my opinion that once the government has control over what it decides to force inject you with, all liberty is lost at that point. We are supposed to stand by and allow panels of "experts" decide what we must inject?? Yea freaking right. Many normies might be brainwashed into thinking that's ok now, but what about 10, 20, 50 years from now? What about when they decide you must get DNA altering vaccines, depression vaccines, or any number of other type of "vaccines" that they come up with?
Spring 2020 - Only 14 days!
Summer 2020 - Flatten the curve!
Late Summer 2020 - Until we get a vaccine!
Fall 2020 - Until the vaccine is in use for at least a year!
Blue States will continue their endless lockdowns until a Democrat becomes President.
Even getting a bailout won't stop the lockdowns.
In fact, if they get a bailout, they'll lockdown their states even more tomorrow, sit on the cash until election day and somehow blame President Trump.
I've been doing work in a Federal Courthouse all day.
Not as single US Marshal wore a mask. It was just suits, guns, and shooting the shit all day. I think most people are sick of it.
Those damn goalposts!
My doctor highly recommended I skip the vaccine (Unless it were mandatory) Because there is not enough long term testing done to ensure people would have low costs (safe) high benefits (immunity) to getting the vaccine. Usually they take 5 years she said for a typical vaccine lead time.
You have an excellent doctor!
I use direct primary care so she is awesome, she spends as much time as she needs for us and is Christian. Probably the best value for my money without needing to go through insurance, highly recommend doing some research on DPC
I am anti-vax. And there’s no way in hell I’ll take it
Even if your company requires it, your children’s school requires it? Are you prepared to leave your job and home school your children?
This is the question many will be facing in the near future. Most will succumb to the will of their leftists leaders, as they aren’t prepared to do these things.
How to beat mail-in-vote fraud: force country to open for in-person voting only.
Don't give a fuck about COVID anymore. As if the Dems steal the election which is looking likely it will be the least of anyone's worries anymore.
Exactly. And masks and lockdowns are becoming increasingly hard to keep up.
I have seen Trump make leftists flip on a lot of issues, but I never thought he could make the left go Anti-Vax.
That is one of the most indoctrinated, accept without question or discussion, topics of the left. I would say it's more sacred than climate change.
Yet now, these people who have been saying for years vaccines must be mandatory that no human being should ever be able to refuse to have put in them, are speaking out against Trump's COVID vaccine.
You're right. This is the biggest, most fun 180 from leftists I've ever seen the President achieve. The press conference where they were bitching about vaccines and mail-in voting BOTH on the same day was hilarious.
Then the next day, they all turned on the CDC, hahaha.
In CA the huge anti vaxx contingents are crunchy vegan white lefties....
We should call it the "Free Trump Vaccine" over and over again.
And ask people if they are going to take the "Free Trump Vaccine?"
Liberals will refuse and we can tell them that it's like wearing a mask to protect others, which of course, will make them want to get vaccine even less.
Liberals die out, the end.
I think a lot of the anger is from Trump constantly proving that these people were wrong about him. For any Trump hater, every one of Trump’s successes is going to grind them.
Trump's peace deal had Democrats in a rage the entire day. illhan omar could be heard screeching for miles when her terrorist friends were completely ignored into irrelevance.
The military tribunals are the vaccine. The pedos are the virus.
I was thinking today about how faith in universal Christ consciousness may be a spiritual vaccine against the dark energies controlling the global matrix.
I have no idea what that means 😅
Use the force. It sounds a bit like AJ 2020electioncenter.com
I wish.
Ok so wheres bill gates?
The real one? Dead, supposedly from the Indians after their vaccines fucked a bunch of their citizens.
Saving lives from the thing with 0.03% death rate.
At this point, the "vaccine" could be a total placebo and it would have the intended effect: The virus cases would drop to near zero, evrything would reopen, and no one would be harmed.
I wouldn't even be mad. It's really the perfect solution.
I'd prefer if it was a placebo. Karen gets to take her magical remendy and we get back to normal.
Karen will immediately have side effects from the placebo, call Trump a killer, and sue the government.
I will not take this vaccine, but I also trust Trump will oppose making it mandatory, so good on him.
Since he'll have to take the vaccine first to be a leader etc. He should publicly invite Biden to take it with him at the same time. It's a win win, Biden shows up he's creating "unity" and the vaccine is blessed by both sides. Biden doesn't show up he's an anti-vaxer and is putting politics before lives.
Laughs in Bill Gates
This should be higher up. Sad! Also one of BG's "vax" is designed to make people dumber, lower energy, and die younger (from 2020electioncenter.com)
Alright, sorry but imma trust the Trump administration on this one bud. Trails here in the US go through a lot stricter trials to ensure safety than in India.
No, the Trump admin did not get rid of phase four testing. Several vaccines have already failed phase three. If something passes, it most likely works.
Technology and medical advancements have made a lot of progress since 2001. There are risks for all medicines, including vaccines. And you say they can’t test for long term cancer, like that doesn’t apply to all other vaccines. However, that doesn’t happen, does it?
Wrong. Vaccines take usually 3-5 years. So technically, you could use the same arguments for all vaccines.
So what will they think of next justify their continued attempts to destroy the economy?
I don't see what else they have left, alien invasion false flag? Honestly people are way too smart for them to pull that shit off now, it probably would've worked about 10 years ago but not now.
Project Bluebeam is my guess.
No - It would work now.
A new virus. Probably covid-20
Probably. I wonder if corona virus was supposed to be launched at this time, and some one preempted it last year? Warm up round?
leftist terror attack against conservatives or DS allowed 9/11
NOOOOOOO! You can't just end the pandemic!
Haha actual science go brrrrrr
The brrrrrr thing always gets a lol out of me
Right? One of my favorite memes of all time was the 'Nooo you can't just drive through our roadblock like we're not even there/ ha ha pickup go brrrrrrrr' i bring it up to look at it when I'm having a bad day.
That's nice.
Still don't want a vaccine. Especially not one made up of aborted children. No thanks.
Unpopular opinion (here at least): If we’re gonna abort babies in the first place, we may as well use their stem cells, etc. to save others.
Is that what is going around now in the anti-vaccine circles? That the vaccine is made up of aborted children? More details, please.
https://gulfnews.com/world/use-of-aborted-fetal-cell-lines-in-vaccines-good-or-bad-1.1598375757880
HeLa stands for Henrietta Lacks. A young black mother who died in 1951. Her cancer cells were remarkable in how hardy and resistant they are. Fascinating story if you ever get chance to read on it.
I’ll look it up.
Some - NOT all - of the virus vaccines are using aborted baby cells in them. I'm not sure exactly of how admittedly, but some of the vaccines in development use them.
I will NEVER take The Vaccine
(because I'm in very good health and I want to make sure the immunocompimised individuals that need it most have access to it)
I love how Trump herds the mainstream media around like cattle while he actually takes care of business elsewhere like peace in the middle east. I can't believe they still haven't figured it out.
Yep. I'm not going to say I'd never take it, I'm vaccine-positive generally but rushing it like this seems like a catastrophe waiting to happen. I grew up in the wake of the thalidomide tragedy.
NWO setup - 6 months is still well after the election. Also, vaccines go through rigorous testing. I expect good results.
Man. I'm not anit-vax. I'm up to date and so is everyone in my family.
I just don't trust a covid vaccine though. It just feels hinky to me.
bro, trump. I'm not taking a vaccine.
And they are the ones who want to be in control of your healthcare.
I'll take sun, vitamin D, zinc, healthy eating, light exercise instead of this vaccine.
Name checks out.
And vit C multiple times per day when needed because it exists the body in about 2 hrs
If leftists didn't hate Trump they'd have no reason to live, much less get up in the morning.
I LOVE WHEN HIM SO SPICY!
Imagine subconsciously framing everything as a negative. Then imagine deliberately framing what is positive as negative. How exhausting and automaton-like. Such a toll.
I cant wait to NOT get sterilized and turned into a water-head.
Democrats are soft on pedophilia because we're against it. And also because they hold the pedo bloc.
WTF I hate vaccines now!
Can your place of employment (hospital) force employees to take vaccine or wear a mask forever? My hospital makes employees wear masks for those who refuse the flu shot during flu season.
Assume the worst. Also, it's stupid how they force you to wear a mask during flu season, because we learned during the spanish flu that masks do jack shit.
I don't want the vaccine.
They're sad because they're going to be fully voted out. They don't care about anything other than power. They don't give 2 shits about the people or what happens to them or their lives
VACCINE BAD
But if too many lives are saved before election day, Trump might win again! Die, you worms! Why aren't enough of you dying? Jesus, throw your lives on the altar and die so we can win this election, worthless plebs!
Can someone get Hillary some chai tea, sheesh!
Just imagine the amount of cognitive dissonance that these TDS self-victimizing intersectionality checking unstable losers carry around.
Taking power is important to them. American lives are not.
Placebo vaccine being released for this years flu season would be great. Can't wait for the democrats to start going full conspiracy and do a complete 180 screaming about it. Maybe they'll finally shut the fuck up to all the people who refuse vaccines.
Ahead of schedule and under budget, you might say, Mr. President? And we made the dems pay for it?
No vaccine for me. I refused to wear a chin diaper, I'm refusing to be injected with chemicals for a virus that has a very high survival rate.
I have no intention of getting this vaccine, fast-tracked or not.
I'll take any vaccine the sitting President AND Vice President at the time it's made available take on national TV, with a doctor who has a history of speaking out against them and their COVID stances on hand to verify they're being given the real deal.
I might take it - would like to learn what ingredients are in it first though. I have taken a couple of flu shots - and they didn't do anything..
Not sure this would be much different. Either way we have to move on with life.. We cannot have society shut down over a bad cold.
Never ever gonna take it.