I think there is a ton of blame to lay at the judge's feet for a no knock warrant executed with very poor planning by, plain clothes cops. Had they been in uniform he may not have shot
Simply put, if you value your life then don't commit illegal activities or be partied to such activities that increase the likely hood of something bad happening to you. All these black celebraties and clowns saying "that could have been me or my brother"...I ask, are you doing illegal shit? If the answer is no, then NO, that will never be you. If your not selling drugs, doing drugs, dealing with drug dealing, commuting theft and burglary, assualting, car jacking, being a fucking inconsiderate dishonest human been, then the chances of you being shot by the police is <1%.
So fuck off, if you a good human person, minding your own business and you respect the cops, NO you will not loose your life.
You are correct. I have a cop friend with connections into Louisville. Also the cop that was fired apparently was fooling around with another cop and creating lots of tension inside the force.
You said don't shoot at the cops and you'll get your day in court. You're not necessarily correct about that, sir...and it's not just black people. Yes, bringing up a separate case is fair play there.
Daniel Shaver was PRONE... The most harmless position a suspect can be in, and the cop order him to rise in elevation. That's a COMPLETE no no fuck up. What did his rifle say? "You're Fucked"
Let's rehire him so he can collect a pention for life while kids have to grow up without their daddy. Fuck that guy.
It was a no knock warrant but they didn't exercise that option. They knocked and announced. Now, how loud they announced could be disputed in court because I don't know. But they did knock and announce.
Edit: and frankly the stupidest part about brianna taylors narrative is idiots who act like the cops barged in and shot her in bed while she was sleeping. She fucking got in the middle of a shootout. She caused her own death in more ways than one.
When interviewed by police he admitted hearing them announce they were cops. This is why they charged him with murder, because he started the entire gun battle and the police would never have shot if he hadnt fired first. They dropped the charged against the bf because of public pressure. Also, if you read the background documents they were all - and I mean everyone - involved in the drug business and one of the main players was using Breonah to hold his money. Yet another Hands Up Dont Shoot BS story that almost one digs deep enough to see for what it is.
I am going to have to correct what I said. I went back and looked at the reports. The BF admits that they knocked. He says he asked it was and then they rammed the door down. The police say they knocked and announced themselves, then entered and returned fire when the BF shot at them.
There are transcripts of phone calls between Breonna's other boyfriend and his baby mamma, in jail, confirming he was the main target and that he had left money with B to hold for him.
I do agree that she did not deserve to die because she was not armed but this tragedy was caused by the lifestyle she chose and the stupid decisions of the guy she was with that night. It is not a racially motivated incident.
Why not just pull up in a bearcat, surround the house and call them out over PA? The officers can remain behind cover the whole time. Safer for everybody. I don't fault those 3 officers, but I do think there is a better way to do things going forward.
If I was a home invader you bet I would loudly yell "Police" when invading a home in order to dissuade any armed home defender from shooting, or at least make them hesitate.
That's my thoughts too. This guy heard a knock, said he didnt hear them ID themselves. Who knows what really happened but, they then kick the door in after knocking once. Fuck that man, if he didn't hear them ID then, I don't blame him
Well, the worst part to me beyond just the no-knock is that the door kickers were in street clothes not a uniform. He'd be a fool not to shoot at 2 guys kicking in his door in plain clothes
It was still a no-knock warrant signed by the judge. Both the cops were in plain clothes. They chose to knock which was great. The cops say they announced. The shooter said he didn't hear them ID themselves. In an apartment there could have been extraneous noise that muffled the cops. Shit happens but, no-knock warrants are sketchy as fuck and, I don't think they should ever send plain clothes cop to serve a warrant.
I'm not a fan of no knock warrents but there are specific cases where they are necessary out of saftey for the officers involved.
I'm not buying that there was noise. Taylor was a gang banger and her boyfriend or whatever he is being identified as, was a low level. Her ex was one of the top drug dealers in the city, and she ran his drug empire for him for over a year while in prison.
I'm not for a second taking the word of the shooter either, especially over the police that have already been attacked, threatened, lied about, all for a blm narrative, if which every work they've said has been proven a lie by hard clear cut facts.
If the officers are undercover, they don't need to be in uniform..I can see how that can cause confusion, but there wouldn't be a no knock raid if they weren't career criminals and they got the warrents after months of investigation on her and was approved by a judge. But they did knock in this case, and they were fired at..I'd rather have dead criminals than dead law enforcement.
There's no reasoning with blm so don't side with them.
They attempted to assassinate the one senator in Congress who is most opposed to no knock raids, Rand Paul. Shows what blm is really not about making any changes to the justice system.
It wasn't a no-knock the cops performed. They had the warrant but they announced themselves before coming in. The boyfriend and Breanna Taylor shot the cops and they also were shot.
Ya, we're gonna be waiting on the trial to sort a lot of this out... They may have started the fight but, the police planning of this move deserves criticism. If you expected a gun fight why only send 2 guys? If you didn't expect it and, they started it it well, that's on them...
I read the report. Crazy what people say on the jailhouse phone, even though it’s common knowledge that those lines are recorded.
As far as I’m concerned, any reasonable jury would not convict the cops, but they should have been more aware. Sending bullets back through a door, they didn’t have a clue what was really behind. Coulda been an unlicensed daycare.
More aware how? Using super powers like x-ray vision? Maybe they should imagine every drug house firefight as gang bangers with baby vests on?
I'm serious, let's get real. Are you suggesting they can see the bullets moving slower like the Matrix, that they should assume babies are around and back away from any raid where they are shot at because running is better then shooting the shooter?
How would they be more aware, and how would it have changed the outcome?
Yeah I'm serious. NYPD is known to have had "X-ray" vans for several YEARS now and I figure many other departments have them as well now. As for them using radio waves instead of x-rays, x-rays pass through most materials like light passes through a chain link fence, due to the wavelength being much shorter than the distances between atoms (usually).
That's a suggestion for general safety of not hitting people behind your target in a controlled firefight. If you are approaching a closed room in a drug raid after a 5 minute self announcement, walking down the hallway, and they start firing at you from behind the door, you either (a) decide you can turn around and outraced bullets coming at you down the hallway, or (b) assume the shooter is willing to start a firefight behind the door, meaning they made a likely decision nothing in the room is worth avoiding starting said firefight.
Police safety matters. Police lives matter. Don't make up impossible standards and ignore reasonable situational assumptions just to apply anti cop vague assertions of wrong doing. I see this shit CONSTANTLY and it always looks like libtard thinking.
So pounding on the front door and yelling "POLICE! OPEN UP!" is unacceptable? That is the door they announced at for 5 minutes. Once they busted in, he shot through the closed bedroom door down the hallway as they approached the bedroom at the end.
I'm with you on forfeiture, but these no-knock warrants go through the same process as a regular "knock and announce" warrants, but most additionally prove there is some danger to the police in knocking and announcing. In the case of Breonna Taylor and her narcotics ring, police knew the men involved were both violent armed felons. Although they received no-knock warrants for four properties involved in the narcotics ring, at Breonna's they chose to knock and announce. Police were fired on by one armed violent felon, through the door and police returned fire. Breonna was struck while she was in the hallway. Literally caught on the crossfire. Don't cry for her, she's dead because of her poor life choices.
Anyways, seems that a no-knock warrant was obtained, but that a no-knock raid was not performed, maybe everyone would still be alive if the raid had been planned differently, i.e. without knocking and announcing.
That was the myth at the beginning. The facts are that Breonna Taylor was involved in her ex-boyfriend’s drug business and was the named subject of the search warrant the police executed.
She also wasn’t “killed in her bed.” She and her current boyfriend heard the knocking at the door and got out of bed to see who it was. When the cops hit the door, the boyfriend shot. The cops returned fire.
I also think it’s funny we haven’t seen a “current” photo of Breonna. We’ve seen her EMT graduation photo a million times, but it’s my understanding she wasn’t even an EMT anymore. So I’m guessing she didn’t look as wholesome at the time of her death as she did back then.
My understanding is she was kicked out of her EMT job for furnishing rental cars to drug dealers. I really need to get current on this case. The narrative of "innocent female POC shot for no reason in her own home" is clearly bogus.
Breonna Taylor may or may not have been involved in criminal activity in her past. There's been NO suggestion that she had a history of violence or was a threat to anyone... and she was NOT a danger to anyone in her own home in the middle of the night.
Break into someone's house in the middle of the night? Expect to get shot. You deserve it.
If your default position is that everyone in law enforcement is a "good guy", or that the system is just fine and doesn't need any oversight or accountability or reform... you are naive, clueless, brainwashed, or just plain stupid.
in this case, Breanna Taylor was in the wrong. Cops are not our friends but it pays to be honest. reforms end up favoring criminals and punishing lawbreakers.as much as i love liberty, society needs the sate to provide stability and order.
I've been saying this from day one. Poor Breonna Taylor, boo hoo. She fucked a drug-dealing thug and was involved in his shit. Lay down with thugs, wake up with bullet holes.
We all have to own our life choices, sooner or later. A lot of good points made here... that will fall on deaf ears for the people who need to hear it.
Btw, the no-knock bullshit officially started with the 1995 Wilson v Arkansas case where the Supreme Court basically said in a 9-0 decision that police absolutely, definitely gotta knock...except in the situations when they don't.
These no-knock raids are fucked up, and it sounds like they legit murdered this woman.
Yet still.... WHAT THE FUCK DOES MARXISM AND BHRNING DOWN CITIES DO TO HELP CHANGE ANY OF THESE POLICIES!!!!???
Fuck BLM. Because of them I don't care if the cops get reformed for another 10 years, or ever. It's not worth it when you compare it to basic civic stability
If she was “guilty” of something, it’s having bad taste in men...but I’m not going to pretend that it’s ok that she was shot as a knee jerk reaction to all the woke BLM stuff. She shouldn’t have died that night because the situation should have been handled differently.
Ms. Breonna Taylor should become the poster child for "don't date or hang around criminal losers". This goes for women as well as men -- don't date crazy, don't date criminal. Avoid the them, and life will tend to go a lot more easily (and safely) for you.
The boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, should have been charged with her death because it was his actions that directly resulted in her being shot and killed. Instead, they let him walk with no charges.
I think there is a ton of blame to lay at the judge's feet for a no knock warrant executed with very poor planning by, plain clothes cops. Had they been in uniform he may not have shot
Thank you for laying down real facts
Here's links to "Officer Tatum" breaking down the evidence against her being an innocent bystander.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klbKhsfPx7A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh9Czx1cmnk
Simply put, if you value your life then don't commit illegal activities or be partied to such activities that increase the likely hood of something bad happening to you. All these black celebraties and clowns saying "that could have been me or my brother"...I ask, are you doing illegal shit? If the answer is no, then NO, that will never be you. If your not selling drugs, doing drugs, dealing with drug dealing, commuting theft and burglary, assualting, car jacking, being a fucking inconsiderate dishonest human been, then the chances of you being shot by the police is <1%.
So fuck off, if you a good human person, minding your own business and you respect the cops, NO you will not loose your life.
Well shooting police after they say they are police is his fault for her death
Wasn’t there also a body found in a rental car with her name on the paperwork?
You are correct. I have a cop friend with connections into Louisville. Also the cop that was fired apparently was fooling around with another cop and creating lots of tension inside the force.
Still deserves a day in court, brah. Due process of law. That's America and the American way.
What if you don't know they're cops when they burst into your house at night?
I would say their opinion might change when they get red flagged but it wont, because they will be shot.
But cops here would never do that.
How many enforced unconstitutional edict regarding masks?
Daniel Shavers, brah. 🖕
You said don't shoot at the cops and you'll get your day in court. You're not necessarily correct about that, sir...and it's not just black people. Yes, bringing up a separate case is fair play there.
Daniel Shaver was PRONE... The most harmless position a suspect can be in, and the cop order him to rise in elevation. That's a COMPLETE no no fuck up. What did his rifle say? "You're Fucked"
Let's rehire him so he can collect a pention for life while kids have to grow up without their daddy. Fuck that guy.
It was a no knock warrant but they didn't exercise that option. They knocked and announced. Now, how loud they announced could be disputed in court because I don't know. But they did knock and announce.
Edit: and frankly the stupidest part about brianna taylors narrative is idiots who act like the cops barged in and shot her in bed while she was sleeping. She fucking got in the middle of a shootout. She caused her own death in more ways than one.
Well, a lot of women follow behind their men when there is a bump in the night. It could have been just bad luck....
When interviewed by police he admitted hearing them announce they were cops. This is why they charged him with murder, because he started the entire gun battle and the police would never have shot if he hadnt fired first. They dropped the charged against the bf because of public pressure. Also, if you read the background documents they were all - and I mean everyone - involved in the drug business and one of the main players was using Breonah to hold his money. Yet another Hands Up Dont Shoot BS story that almost one digs deep enough to see for what it is.
Well if he did hear them ID themselves as police before shooting, then it is his fault for shooting at cops
I am going to have to correct what I said. I went back and looked at the reports. The BF admits that they knocked. He says he asked it was and then they rammed the door down. The police say they knocked and announced themselves, then entered and returned fire when the BF shot at them.
There are transcripts of phone calls between Breonna's other boyfriend and his baby mamma, in jail, confirming he was the main target and that he had left money with B to hold for him.
I do agree that she did not deserve to die because she was not armed but this tragedy was caused by the lifestyle she chose and the stupid decisions of the guy she was with that night. It is not a racially motivated incident.
Clearly it wasn't and, who knows a there could have been some noise and, that caused him not to hear them.
Why not just pull up in a bearcat, surround the house and call them out over PA? The officers can remain behind cover the whole time. Safer for everybody. I don't fault those 3 officers, but I do think there is a better way to do things going forward.
Muh poh-lice militarization.
Rand Paul also thought the same way until the Mob came to his face.
Yes wait until they leave the house then grab them when they get their next pack of Newports
It was an apartment complex. They wanted to get evidence inside so, that's why they signed the noknock
But they didn't no knock
He broke the number one rule though: Don't stick your dick in crazy.
I suffer for failing at this every day. Damn that woman.
Lmao
Amen, it's the funnest rule to break though....
Ya, how could you ever be expected to just believe everyone who kicks in your door screaming police in plain clothes...
This^
If I was a home invader you bet I would loudly yell "Police" when invading a home in order to dissuade any armed home defender from shooting, or at least make them hesitate.
That's my thoughts too. This guy heard a knock, said he didnt hear them ID themselves. Who knows what really happened but, they then kick the door in after knocking once. Fuck that man, if he didn't hear them ID then, I don't blame him
Are you a gun owner in a state with a red flag law?
Ya, that's fair... It might be the thought police tho, coming for your spicy maymays. In that case, empty the mag!
Precrime is disgusting
Well, the worst part to me beyond just the no-knock is that the door kickers were in street clothes not a uniform. He'd be a fool not to shoot at 2 guys kicking in his door in plain clothes
You realize how misinformed you were.
This wasn't a no knock raid. They announced. And Breonna Taylor ran her boyfriend's drug empire when he was in jail..she was a hardened criminal
Could they not afford a uniform?
It was still a no-knock warrant signed by the judge. Both the cops were in plain clothes. They chose to knock which was great. The cops say they announced. The shooter said he didn't hear them ID themselves. In an apartment there could have been extraneous noise that muffled the cops. Shit happens but, no-knock warrants are sketchy as fuck and, I don't think they should ever send plain clothes cop to serve a warrant.
I'm not a fan of no knock warrents but there are specific cases where they are necessary out of saftey for the officers involved.
I'm not buying that there was noise. Taylor was a gang banger and her boyfriend or whatever he is being identified as, was a low level. Her ex was one of the top drug dealers in the city, and she ran his drug empire for him for over a year while in prison.
I'm not for a second taking the word of the shooter either, especially over the police that have already been attacked, threatened, lied about, all for a blm narrative, if which every work they've said has been proven a lie by hard clear cut facts.
Pedes don't fall for this
Ya there's more to this story.
We will see more in court.
Man, I think there does need to be a law that one officer has to have a uniform on to serve a warrant.
This is a can of worms of epic proportions...
If the officers are undercover, they don't need to be in uniform..I can see how that can cause confusion, but there wouldn't be a no knock raid if they weren't career criminals and they got the warrents after months of investigation on her and was approved by a judge. But they did knock in this case, and they were fired at..I'd rather have dead criminals than dead law enforcement.
There's no reasoning with blm so don't side with them. They attempted to assassinate the one senator in Congress who is most opposed to no knock raids, Rand Paul. Shows what blm is really not about making any changes to the justice system.
It wasn't a no-knock the cops performed. They had the warrant but they announced themselves before coming in. The boyfriend and Breanna Taylor shot the cops and they also were shot.
Ya, we're gonna be waiting on the trial to sort a lot of this out... They may have started the fight but, the police planning of this move deserves criticism. If you expected a gun fight why only send 2 guys? If you didn't expect it and, they started it it well, that's on them...
They knocked loud, repeatedly, announcing who they were for 5 minutes. Tired of this no-knock myth. Read the police report.
It is possible the boyfriend who shot first didn't believe it was the police. He could have still thought it was the crazy Ex.
Possible but unlikely after you read that did it for 5 minutes, and a neighbor woke and looked out.
Even if so, not cops fault. Not sure I even believe this claim of the "good bf" tbph.
Shooting through a closed door is retarded.
Flashing red and blues outside would make me believe that. Anyone can kick in a door and yell police.
I read the report. Crazy what people say on the jailhouse phone, even though it’s common knowledge that those lines are recorded.
As far as I’m concerned, any reasonable jury would not convict the cops, but they should have been more aware. Sending bullets back through a door, they didn’t have a clue what was really behind. Coulda been an unlicensed daycare.
More aware how? Using super powers like x-ray vision? Maybe they should imagine every drug house firefight as gang bangers with baby vests on?
I'm serious, let's get real. Are you suggesting they can see the bullets moving slower like the Matrix, that they should assume babies are around and back away from any raid where they are shot at because running is better then shooting the shooter?
How would they be more aware, and how would it have changed the outcome?
They actually do have wall penetrating radar nowadays.
Oh ffs. Are you being serious? Lol.
Yeah I'm serious. NYPD is known to have had "X-ray" vans for several YEARS now and I figure many other departments have them as well now. As for them using radio waves instead of x-rays, x-rays pass through most materials like light passes through a chain link fence, due to the wavelength being much shorter than the distances between atoms (usually).
Yeah, well, no, police departments don't have roaming giant x-ray machines like customs large dock container inspection machines.
I think you watch too much TV.
Scumbags need to simply stop acting like thugs.
The 4th rule of firearm safety is:
That's a suggestion for general safety of not hitting people behind your target in a controlled firefight. If you are approaching a closed room in a drug raid after a 5 minute self announcement, walking down the hallway, and they start firing at you from behind the door, you either (a) decide you can turn around and outraced bullets coming at you down the hallway, or (b) assume the shooter is willing to start a firefight behind the door, meaning they made a likely decision nothing in the room is worth avoiding starting said firefight.
Police safety matters. Police lives matter. Don't make up impossible standards and ignore reasonable situational assumptions just to apply anti cop vague assertions of wrong doing. I see this shit CONSTANTLY and it always looks like libtard thinking.
I don’t think they should have been pounding on he door. Either knock like a reasonable person or take the door off its hinges.
So pounding on the front door and yelling "POLICE! OPEN UP!" is unacceptable? That is the door they announced at for 5 minutes. Once they busted in, he shot through the closed bedroom door down the hallway as they approached the bedroom at the end.
The tale gets juicier and juicier! I was wondering why there were 2 dudes in her orbit while reading that investigative report...makes sense now.
You left out "two-timing woman" didn't you?
I'm with you on forfeiture, but these no-knock warrants go through the same process as a regular "knock and announce" warrants, but most additionally prove there is some danger to the police in knocking and announcing. In the case of Breonna Taylor and her narcotics ring, police knew the men involved were both violent armed felons. Although they received no-knock warrants for four properties involved in the narcotics ring, at Breonna's they chose to knock and announce. Police were fired on by one armed violent felon, through the door and police returned fire. Breonna was struck while she was in the hallway. Literally caught on the crossfire. Don't cry for her, she's dead because of her poor life choices.
Anyways, seems that a no-knock warrant was obtained, but that a no-knock raid was not performed, maybe everyone would still be alive if the raid had been planned differently, i.e. without knocking and announcing.
Civil forfeiture is just plain wrong.
I thought it was the drug-dealer boyfriend who she was shacked up with that night. Hence the no-knock warrant.
She was the money laundry and took the bulk incoming shipments.
I thought the police had the wrong address. Are there any other sources that the address was actually correct?
That was the myth at the beginning. The facts are that Breonna Taylor was involved in her ex-boyfriend’s drug business and was the named subject of the search warrant the police executed.
She also wasn’t “killed in her bed.” She and her current boyfriend heard the knocking at the door and got out of bed to see who it was. When the cops hit the door, the boyfriend shot. The cops returned fire.
I also think it’s funny we haven’t seen a “current” photo of Breonna. We’ve seen her EMT graduation photo a million times, but it’s my understanding she wasn’t even an EMT anymore. So I’m guessing she didn’t look as wholesome at the time of her death as she did back then.
My understanding is she was kicked out of her EMT job for furnishing rental cars to drug dealers. I really need to get current on this case. The narrative of "innocent female POC shot for no reason in her own home" is clearly bogus.
Hadn’t heard that, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
FACTS. No-knock warrants are the true evil here, but Ms. Taylor was far from an innocent party in this. Just a terrible tragedy.
No. This is where I break ranks.
Breonna Taylor may or may not have been involved in criminal activity in her past. There's been NO suggestion that she had a history of violence or was a threat to anyone... and she was NOT a danger to anyone in her own home in the middle of the night.
Break into someone's house in the middle of the night? Expect to get shot. You deserve it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPS6IA5z-Sw
If your default position is that everyone in law enforcement is a "good guy", or that the system is just fine and doesn't need any oversight or accountability or reform... you are naive, clueless, brainwashed, or just plain stupid.
in this case, Breanna Taylor was in the wrong. Cops are not our friends but it pays to be honest. reforms end up favoring criminals and punishing lawbreakers.as much as i love liberty, society needs the sate to provide stability and order.
I've been saying this from day one. Poor Breonna Taylor, boo hoo. She fucked a drug-dealing thug and was involved in his shit. Lay down with thugs, wake up with bullet holes.
Just wait till they red flag you.
But the cops where I live would never do that. They said so, surely they didn't lie to me.
We all have to own our life choices, sooner or later. A lot of good points made here... that will fall on deaf ears for the people who need to hear it.
A long series of bad life choices...
"She chose... poorly" :)
Dindu Nuffin sounds like a black hobbit name
Btw, the no-knock bullshit officially started with the 1995 Wilson v Arkansas case where the Supreme Court basically said in a 9-0 decision that police absolutely, definitely gotta knock...except in the situations when they don't.
Here's the text of the court opinion...
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/514/927/
I didn’t know this. Thank you!
I'm gonna have to disagree
These no-knock raids are fucked up, and it sounds like they legit murdered this woman.
Yet still.... WHAT THE FUCK DOES MARXISM AND BHRNING DOWN CITIES DO TO HELP CHANGE ANY OF THESE POLICIES!!!!???
Fuck BLM. Because of them I don't care if the cops get reformed for another 10 years, or ever. It's not worth it when you compare it to basic civic stability
No way man, no knock raids are bs, police are out of control in many cases. They just lost me and many others when they made it about race
No knock warrants are a bad idea.
If she was “guilty” of something, it’s having bad taste in men...but I’m not going to pretend that it’s ok that she was shot as a knee jerk reaction to all the woke BLM stuff. She shouldn’t have died that night because the situation should have been handled differently.
Ms. Breonna Taylor should become the poster child for "don't date or hang around criminal losers". This goes for women as well as men -- don't date crazy, don't date criminal. Avoid the them, and life will tend to go a lot more easily (and safely) for you.
well someone said so on 4chan so it must be true
The boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, should have been charged with her death because it was his actions that directly resulted in her being shot and killed. Instead, they let him walk with no charges.
This isn't even true. Taylor ran her boyfriend's drug empire for him when he was in prison.