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unicornpoop -68 points ago +19 / -87

The bible is mostly jewish history, so...

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rootGoose 44 points ago +45 / -1

Unless you know the Bible you won’t understand Western Civilization, the foundation American principles, history, and culture rests upon.

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Mashiki -1 points ago +2 / -3

The concepts of American principles more closely resembles natural law then the bible. In that though, the writings of Thomas Aquinas and Summa Theologica, play a major role in "how" things like the Federalist Paper are written, and even the US Constitution.

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Pau1F01ey 0 points ago +2 / -2

Yes. The Founders weren’t Christian which helped lead us to our current mess. We succeeded mostly because majority population were Christian not dithering Whig Deists.

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Mashiki 0 points ago +1 / -1

So broadest rights of people in the world ~300 years ago, broadest rights of people still today. The founding fathers are the problem.

Well, let's just take a look at the UK which held onto their Christian beliefs until the early 1900s...well shit, I guess that works out pretty good if you like statism.

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OneTypoComment 42 points ago +43 / -1

do go on

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Treintrientje 1 point ago +1 / -0

I read a book in Dutch by Milo/Mulder on how the Islamic faith started out and thy state most of their stories are copies of Jewish and Christian source material. It's a theory coined by a German institute, Inarah. http://inarah.net/ .

Thanks for reminding me to reread that book!

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kilkidd 1 point ago +1 / -0

wait until you hear that jesus was a jew and Jewish people don't see him as either

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Dr_Pooper 22 points ago +31 / -9

The value system of western civilization draws from your so called Jewish history book. Every freedom you have has it's roots there, ingrate.

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pluka 1 point ago +2 / -1

Can you name some of those freedoms that roman citizens did not already have?

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Dr_Pooper 0 points ago +1 / -1

Wow. The fact that you would even pose such a question tells me that your historical knowledge of both Roman society, as well as early Christianity is extremely limited. Considering the wealth of historical documentation widely available for both, I'm actually shocked. Anyways, before I can answer you, I should preface this with the fact that Rome eventually became a Christian civilization. Prior to this, your so called Roman citizen was a member of a minority of political and wealthy elites. More resembling a monarchy, a modern analogy in American society would be like if only the swamp (a noble class of politically connected elites and wealthy corporatists) were citizens. The majority of Romans were either plebeians or slaves. After about two centuries, the edit of Caracalla was passed into law, granting limited citizenship to plebs, (the empire needed to be able to tax them, and it made drafting them much easier). However, it wasn't until about a century after the adoption of Christianity that former plebs could hold political office. Slavery also diminished over time, but again, it wasn't until well after Christianity that freemen could be considered citizens and hold office. These civil advancements towards a less classist society are generally regarded to be largely due to the Judeo Christian belief that all people are equal before God, as even a slave is made in His image. I hope this answers your question, and adds some dimension to your classical knowledge!

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pluka 0 points ago +1 / -1

So you literally couldn't come up with a single liberty that citizens of pre-christian rome didn't already have? After claiming it is "Every freedom" we have? Not saying there aren't any but obviously nowhere near all of them have judeo-christian origins. Hilarious that you would say something so ignorant and then call me ignorant in your pompous rant.

And slaves weren't citizens, no kidding, neither were they over a thousand years later in america.

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BirchTBarlow 10 points ago +10 / -0

The New Testament

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Southern_Belle 1 point ago +1 / -0

Seconded.

The New Testament, over and over.

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Mashiki 6 points ago +6 / -0

Summa Theologica is what you want.