”17Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth:
18Lest the LORD see it, and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him.”
Though now that Jesus has come and shown us his tremendous love, God wants us now to not even desire punishment for our enemies, but instead to actively ask for their forgiveness and blessing. He wants you to be like Jesus and carry your cross with love and humility, as others rail their insults and physically hurt you.
If you can receive this new covenant, then take it with joy. But many are called, and few are chosen.
23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
The servant was legally owed money, and fully justified in demanding it.
There is a difference between the Justice of law, and the mercies taught by Jesus. If you continually demand justice of god, be careful because you just might get it.
Followers of christ do not seek Justice for themselves. God is Just and he will deal with that side of things. You oh great sinner, are to seek forgiveness for yourself and others, as justice is not something you should desire. Pray for your enemies, and bless those who persecute you.
When the days of grace are ended, then will be the time of justice, and god will pour out his wrath.
Hello? Where does God say that in the Old Testament or via His proxy in the New Testament?
Jesus says Moses gave us 'the Law'--(i.e eye for an eye and NO false witness) and God gives us 'the truth'..which imo means you must forgive and bless your enemy, a flawed mortal human, AFTER you've dispensed the punishments for breaking 'the laws' (Moses' laws).
In regards 'turn the other cheek'--well you only have TWO cheeks. This means that you give everyone a SECOND CHANCE--NOT chance after chance; which would mean there are no consequences for 'wrongs'.
SHARE what you can for people in need who ask; don't give a DAMN about Caesar's courts if they are corrupt or used to rob you...(even moreso if your life's role is to preach the Gospel)...and yes tell those brothers, your brothers who are approaching you, to kill you, that you love them...BUT any step closer and YOU'LL KILL THEM.
In regards 'turn the other cheek'--well you only have TWO cheeks. This means that you give everyone a SECOND CHANCE--NOT chance after chance; which would mean there are no consequences for 'wrongs'.
This is a misinterpretation. We know Jesus wants us to forgive others often, matthew 18:21
Peter asked Jesus, “How many times should I forgive someone, as many as seven times?” Jesus replied with, “No, you should forgive seventy times seven.”
The specific number of 490 isn't as relevant, it's the concept of you should constantly forgive.
Forgiveness is power because it is the greatest expression of love, and it is a virtue that death, evil and Satan are not capable of. Every time we forgive, we are obtaining dominion over death through love.
As for the debate raging now, as we see elsewhere in the bible, you can forgive others while also adhering to the earthly justice system.
My personal opinion (idk if it's founded in any church) is that Jesus was sent down specifically to promote love and forgiveness. I think the OT, while trying to please God, became too much about judgement and punishment. Judging and condemning the heart while on earth is a trap set by Satan, to inject hate into our hearts. (Again, different than adhering to an earthly justice system, this would be judging someone's eternal soul). But because we were being tricked by Satan into hate (despite good intentions), Jesus came down to establish a new covenant - love your neighbor as yourself - to remind us that love is the only way to defeat death.
And remember, if Jesus can forgive the people who are literally crucifying him, there's no one we can't forgive.
Except those sent to Hell aren't forgiven--or loved. They're tortured. Jesus' death on the cross didn't save them, did it?
Why does God need to be so jealous of us weaklings that He created; so critical of our hearts--and then be so cruel (to some)? None of us asked to be born.
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:(old testament law).
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Peter asked Jesus how many times he should forgive someone. 7 times? Jesus said, seventy times seven.
"Those who wish to save their lives will lose it, but those who throw their lives away for my sake shall find it." Most people choose not to obey Jesus, and instead reason with the wisdom of the world, forgetting gods power.
Yeah, I'm not rejoicing over her death, at all. I don't rejoice in the death of any, I don't want anyone to go to Hell.
If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Yeah, Proverbs is full of great shit.
Legit great wisdom, even if you aren’t Christian. Don’t go into debt, beware of hoes, etc.
I’ve never understood praise of basic common sense.
This isn’t a comment about Proverbs, merely of people who can’t work out debt=bad without someone telling them.
That’s great, a person who can’t sort out her own life is going to help people sort their lives out.
How did we get here and where is the exit?
They are emotional decisions
Proverb for you
Though now that Jesus has come and shown us his tremendous love, God wants us now to not even desire punishment for our enemies, but instead to actively ask for their forgiveness and blessing. He wants you to be like Jesus and carry your cross with love and humility, as others rail their insults and physically hurt you.
If you can receive this new covenant, then take it with joy. But many are called, and few are chosen.
Remember the parable of the unforgiving servant.
The servant was legally owed money, and fully justified in demanding it.
There is a difference between the Justice of law, and the mercies taught by Jesus. If you continually demand justice of god, be careful because you just might get it.
Followers of christ do not seek Justice for themselves. God is Just and he will deal with that side of things. You oh great sinner, are to seek forgiveness for yourself and others, as justice is not something you should desire. Pray for your enemies, and bless those who persecute you.
When the days of grace are ended, then will be the time of justice, and god will pour out his wrath.
Hello? Where does God say that in the Old Testament or via His proxy in the New Testament?
Jesus says Moses gave us 'the Law'--(i.e eye for an eye and NO false witness) and God gives us 'the truth'..which imo means you must forgive and bless your enemy, a flawed mortal human, AFTER you've dispensed the punishments for breaking 'the laws' (Moses' laws).
In regards 'turn the other cheek'--well you only have TWO cheeks. This means that you give everyone a SECOND CHANCE--NOT chance after chance; which would mean there are no consequences for 'wrongs'.
SHARE what you can for people in need who ask; don't give a DAMN about Caesar's courts if they are corrupt or used to rob you...(even moreso if your life's role is to preach the Gospel)...and yes tell those brothers, your brothers who are approaching you, to kill you, that you love them...BUT any step closer and YOU'LL KILL THEM.
This is a misinterpretation. We know Jesus wants us to forgive others often, matthew 18:21
The specific number of 490 isn't as relevant, it's the concept of you should constantly forgive.
Forgiveness is power because it is the greatest expression of love, and it is a virtue that death, evil and Satan are not capable of. Every time we forgive, we are obtaining dominion over death through love.
As for the debate raging now, as we see elsewhere in the bible, you can forgive others while also adhering to the earthly justice system.
My personal opinion (idk if it's founded in any church) is that Jesus was sent down specifically to promote love and forgiveness. I think the OT, while trying to please God, became too much about judgement and punishment. Judging and condemning the heart while on earth is a trap set by Satan, to inject hate into our hearts. (Again, different than adhering to an earthly justice system, this would be judging someone's eternal soul). But because we were being tricked by Satan into hate (despite good intentions), Jesus came down to establish a new covenant - love your neighbor as yourself - to remind us that love is the only way to defeat death.
And remember, if Jesus can forgive the people who are literally crucifying him, there's no one we can't forgive.
Except those sent to Hell aren't forgiven--or loved. They're tortured. Jesus' death on the cross didn't save them, did it?
Why does God need to be so jealous of us weaklings that He created; so critical of our hearts--and then be so cruel (to some)? None of us asked to be born.
Peter asked Jesus how many times he should forgive someone. 7 times? Jesus said, seventy times seven.
"Those who wish to save their lives will lose it, but those who throw their lives away for my sake shall find it." Most people choose not to obey Jesus, and instead reason with the wisdom of the world, forgetting gods power.
Your translation is lying to you. Peter asked about a brother, not just anyone--a brother.
Don't forget the Syrian woman. This same Jesus called her a 'dog' when she asked for healing for her daughter. Being a part of the family matters.
John 1:17
Yeah, I'm not rejoicing over her death, at all. I don't rejoice in the death of any, I don't want anyone to go to Hell.