Hello? Where does God say that in the Old Testament or via His proxy in the New Testament?
Jesus says Moses gave us 'the Law'--(i.e eye for an eye and NO false witness) and God gives us 'the truth'..which imo means you must forgive and bless your enemy, a flawed mortal human, AFTER you've dispensed the punishments for breaking 'the laws' (Moses' laws).
In regards 'turn the other cheek'--well you only have TWO cheeks. This means that you give everyone a SECOND CHANCE--NOT chance after chance; which would mean there are no consequences for 'wrongs'.
SHARE what you can for people in need who ask; don't give a DAMN about Caesar's courts if they are corrupt or used to rob you...(even moreso if your life's role is to preach the Gospel)...and yes tell those brothers, your brothers who are approaching you, to kill you, that you love them...BUT any step closer and YOU'LL KILL THEM.
In regards 'turn the other cheek'--well you only have TWO cheeks. This means that you give everyone a SECOND CHANCE--NOT chance after chance; which would mean there are no consequences for 'wrongs'.
This is a misinterpretation. We know Jesus wants us to forgive others often, matthew 18:21
Peter asked Jesus, “How many times should I forgive someone, as many as seven times?” Jesus replied with, “No, you should forgive seventy times seven.”
The specific number of 490 isn't as relevant, it's the concept of you should constantly forgive.
Forgiveness is power because it is the greatest expression of love, and it is a virtue that death, evil and Satan are not capable of. Every time we forgive, we are obtaining dominion over death through love.
As for the debate raging now, as we see elsewhere in the bible, you can forgive others while also adhering to the earthly justice system.
My personal opinion (idk if it's founded in any church) is that Jesus was sent down specifically to promote love and forgiveness. I think the OT, while trying to please God, became too much about judgement and punishment. Judging and condemning the heart while on earth is a trap set by Satan, to inject hate into our hearts. (Again, different than adhering to an earthly justice system, this would be judging someone's eternal soul). But because we were being tricked by Satan into hate (despite good intentions), Jesus came down to establish a new covenant - love your neighbor as yourself - to remind us that love is the only way to defeat death.
And remember, if Jesus can forgive the people who are literally crucifying him, there's no one we can't forgive.
Except those sent to Hell aren't forgiven--or loved. They're tortured. Jesus' death on the cross didn't save them, did it?
Why does God need to be so jealous of us weaklings that He created; so critical of our hearts--and then be so cruel (to some)? None of us asked to be born.
Those who are sent to hell have completely separated their souls from God. It is not God who does this, it is them through their earthly actions.
God is willing to forgive anyone who repents (see Saul/Paul). Those sent to hell have separate themselves from God through sin. They embraced Satan and turned away from god.
Now that we have that established, let me ask you this. Do you think celebrating anyone's death (out of vengeance) brings you closer to God, or Satan?
I'm butting in to address that last question because I find this line of conversation interesting, I hope you guys don't mind. When it's the death of the wicked and it saves the lives of innocents, I don't think celebrating it brings one closer to Satan.
As to whether it brings us closer to God, I think whether or not we're "celebrating" by thanking Him for removing an instrument of evil from the world is what makes the difference. I could be wrong but couldn't resist throwing that out there!
SPEZ to add a reminder to myself to lean not to my own understanding. This will make for a good dig into the Word. Unfortunately I'm on my way out the door but hope to come back to this topic. Thanks all for the inspiration.
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:(old testament law).
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Peter asked Jesus how many times he should forgive someone. 7 times? Jesus said, seventy times seven.
"Those who wish to save their lives will lose it, but those who throw their lives away for my sake shall find it." Most people choose not to obey Jesus, and instead reason with the wisdom of the world, forgetting gods power.
Hello? Where does God say that in the Old Testament or via His proxy in the New Testament?
Jesus says Moses gave us 'the Law'--(i.e eye for an eye and NO false witness) and God gives us 'the truth'..which imo means you must forgive and bless your enemy, a flawed mortal human, AFTER you've dispensed the punishments for breaking 'the laws' (Moses' laws).
In regards 'turn the other cheek'--well you only have TWO cheeks. This means that you give everyone a SECOND CHANCE--NOT chance after chance; which would mean there are no consequences for 'wrongs'.
SHARE what you can for people in need who ask; don't give a DAMN about Caesar's courts if they are corrupt or used to rob you...(even moreso if your life's role is to preach the Gospel)...and yes tell those brothers, your brothers who are approaching you, to kill you, that you love them...BUT any step closer and YOU'LL KILL THEM.
This is a misinterpretation. We know Jesus wants us to forgive others often, matthew 18:21
The specific number of 490 isn't as relevant, it's the concept of you should constantly forgive.
Forgiveness is power because it is the greatest expression of love, and it is a virtue that death, evil and Satan are not capable of. Every time we forgive, we are obtaining dominion over death through love.
As for the debate raging now, as we see elsewhere in the bible, you can forgive others while also adhering to the earthly justice system.
My personal opinion (idk if it's founded in any church) is that Jesus was sent down specifically to promote love and forgiveness. I think the OT, while trying to please God, became too much about judgement and punishment. Judging and condemning the heart while on earth is a trap set by Satan, to inject hate into our hearts. (Again, different than adhering to an earthly justice system, this would be judging someone's eternal soul). But because we were being tricked by Satan into hate (despite good intentions), Jesus came down to establish a new covenant - love your neighbor as yourself - to remind us that love is the only way to defeat death.
And remember, if Jesus can forgive the people who are literally crucifying him, there's no one we can't forgive.
Except those sent to Hell aren't forgiven--or loved. They're tortured. Jesus' death on the cross didn't save them, did it?
Why does God need to be so jealous of us weaklings that He created; so critical of our hearts--and then be so cruel (to some)? None of us asked to be born.
Those who are sent to hell have completely separated their souls from God. It is not God who does this, it is them through their earthly actions.
God is willing to forgive anyone who repents (see Saul/Paul). Those sent to hell have separate themselves from God through sin. They embraced Satan and turned away from god.
Now that we have that established, let me ask you this. Do you think celebrating anyone's death (out of vengeance) brings you closer to God, or Satan?
Lol. Friend...fellow pede...I aint gonna be lured into that :)
Lets just leave it as it is.
I'm butting in to address that last question because I find this line of conversation interesting, I hope you guys don't mind. When it's the death of the wicked and it saves the lives of innocents, I don't think celebrating it brings one closer to Satan.
As to whether it brings us closer to God, I think whether or not we're "celebrating" by thanking Him for removing an instrument of evil from the world is what makes the difference. I could be wrong but couldn't resist throwing that out there!
SPEZ to add a reminder to myself to lean not to my own understanding. This will make for a good dig into the Word. Unfortunately I'm on my way out the door but hope to come back to this topic. Thanks all for the inspiration.
Peter asked Jesus how many times he should forgive someone. 7 times? Jesus said, seventy times seven.
"Those who wish to save their lives will lose it, but those who throw their lives away for my sake shall find it." Most people choose not to obey Jesus, and instead reason with the wisdom of the world, forgetting gods power.
Your translation is lying to you. Peter asked about a brother, not just anyone--a brother.
Don't forget the Syrian woman. This same Jesus called her a 'dog' when she asked for healing for her daughter. Being a part of the family matters.
John 1:17