What i dont understand is the the Abrahamic religions share the same basic view of the afterlife so they're the same, and if the poster and say RGB are atheistic. The in their minds there isn't any so why get so butt-hurt about someone else's speculation
Jews actually don't have the same concept of heaven and hell as christians/muslims. Its actually a very interesting topic that you should go down the rabbit hole on.
Old Testament talks about Heaven and the Aftelife a lot. So did Christ. Did you think He was talking about an entirely different place and God? Christ was Jewish after all...
Huh, I guess one could make the argument that when Christ was crucified and God split the temple that He was also splitting them off from Him. Interesting take for sure, but many came to Christ after and because of those events. Definitely merits a discussion I’d say.
to my knowledge Jewish people believed in an afterlife that was almost identical to the greek idea of the afterlife. A split afterlife, one for righteous people and one for those who were not. Abraham's bosom and Gehenna. The latter was described by Jesus as a wet nasty smelly horrible place with lots of angry people but none of the wetness was drinkable and nothing you needed was available. Abraham's bosom was a place of comfort where you had what you needed. Edit: to be clear neither of these were heaven where God lived. Same as the Greek idea of the afterlife where the dead went to Hades and didn't go to Mt. Olympus.
I’d love to read more on this if you have some sources. I’ve begun doing some learning on old Hebrew tribalism and beliefs before they came together as the Chosen and the Jews we know and think of today. Just like lots of the world their tribal past and practices undoubtedly had a part in their current religion and belief system and from what I’ve begun to read today there are some weird and fucked up beliefs and sects of Judaism still hanging around today.
Well the good greeks didn't go to mt olympus when they died, that place was reserved only for the gods.
They went to a place between olympia and hades. More of a purgatory where they just hung out for eternity in a place that was supposed to be calm and pleasant.
A lot of references might be overstating it.
I think most of the references, particularly to heaven/Abraham’s Bosom are not that clearly referencing heaven. Some of them are used as references to heaven when they are cited in the New Testament. But, if you reject all things NT, then you wouldn’t change how you read those verses based on how they were used in the NT. Just like protestants don’t give a shit how Catholics or Mormons view verses in light of their additional texts.
that depends on the scholar and the work they cite. some say there is and some say there is not. heres a good example of yes they do:
*There will be three groups on the Day of Judgment: one of thoroughly righteous people, one of thoroughly wicked people and one of people in between. The first group will be immediately inscribed for everlasting life; the second group will be doomed in Genion [Hell], as it says, "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life and some to reproaches and everlasting abhorrence" [Daniel 12:2], the third will go down to Genion and squeal and rise again, as it says, "And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried. They shall call on My name and I will answer them" [Zechariah 13:9]... [Babylonian Talmud, tractate Rosh Hashanah 16b-17a] *
in addition:
References to Gehinnom as a fiery place of judgment can be found in the apocalyptic literature of the Second Temple period. The embellished this idea, claiming that Gehinnom is 60 times hotter than earthly fire (Berakhot 57b).
The earliest reference to Gan Eden (the Garden of Eden) and Gehinnom as a pair is probably the rabbinic statement of the 1st century sage Yochanan ben Zakkai: “There are two paths before me, one leading to Gan Eden and the other to Gehinnom (Berakhot 28b).”
What i dont understand is the the Abrahamic religions share the same basic view of the afterlife so they're the same, and if the poster and say RGB are atheistic. The in their minds there isn't any so why get so butt-hurt about someone else's speculation
Jews actually don't have the same concept of heaven and hell as christians/muslims. Its actually a very interesting topic that you should go down the rabbit hole on.
Old Testament talks about Heaven and the Aftelife a lot. So did Christ. Did you think He was talking about an entirely different place and God? Christ was Jewish after all...
Thank you for restoring my faith in humanity. I was starting to get concerned.
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jews today do not practice the same religion that christ did. There is no temple and when was the last time you saw a burnt offering?
Jews do not worship the same God as Christians.
Huh, I guess one could make the argument that when Christ was crucified and God split the temple that He was also splitting them off from Him. Interesting take for sure, but many came to Christ after and because of those events. Definitely merits a discussion I’d say.
They worship satan.
The Jewish talmud adde some serious revisions to the OT
to my knowledge Jewish people believed in an afterlife that was almost identical to the greek idea of the afterlife. A split afterlife, one for righteous people and one for those who were not. Abraham's bosom and Gehenna. The latter was described by Jesus as a wet nasty smelly horrible place with lots of angry people but none of the wetness was drinkable and nothing you needed was available. Abraham's bosom was a place of comfort where you had what you needed. Edit: to be clear neither of these were heaven where God lived. Same as the Greek idea of the afterlife where the dead went to Hades and didn't go to Mt. Olympus.
I’d love to read more on this if you have some sources. I’ve begun doing some learning on old Hebrew tribalism and beliefs before they came together as the Chosen and the Jews we know and think of today. Just like lots of the world their tribal past and practices undoubtedly had a part in their current religion and belief system and from what I’ve begun to read today there are some weird and fucked up beliefs and sects of Judaism still hanging around today.
Well the good greeks didn't go to mt olympus when they died, that place was reserved only for the gods.
They went to a place between olympia and hades. More of a purgatory where they just hung out for eternity in a place that was supposed to be calm and pleasant.
A lot of references might be overstating it. I think most of the references, particularly to heaven/Abraham’s Bosom are not that clearly referencing heaven. Some of them are used as references to heaven when they are cited in the New Testament. But, if you reject all things NT, then you wouldn’t change how you read those verses based on how they were used in the NT. Just like protestants don’t give a shit how Catholics or Mormons view verses in light of their additional texts.
The Pharisees believed in the resurrection, but the Sadducees did not. That's why they were sad, you see.
Oh you.
that depends on the scholar and the work they cite. some say there is and some say there is not. heres a good example of yes they do:
*There will be three groups on the Day of Judgment: one of thoroughly righteous people, one of thoroughly wicked people and one of people in between. The first group will be immediately inscribed for everlasting life; the second group will be doomed in Genion [Hell], as it says, "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life and some to reproaches and everlasting abhorrence" [Daniel 12:2], the third will go down to Genion and squeal and rise again, as it says, "And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried. They shall call on My name and I will answer them" [Zechariah 13:9]... [Babylonian Talmud, tractate Rosh Hashanah 16b-17a] *
in addition:
References to Gehinnom as a fiery place of judgment can be found in the apocalyptic literature of the Second Temple period. The embellished this idea, claiming that Gehinnom is 60 times hotter than earthly fire (Berakhot 57b).
The earliest reference to Gan Eden (the Garden of Eden) and Gehinnom as a pair is probably the rabbinic statement of the 1st century sage Yochanan ben Zakkai: “There are two paths before me, one leading to Gan Eden and the other to Gehinnom (Berakhot 28b).”
Judaism is the religion where if you go too far into the rabbit hole at all, you've already over thought it.
Just have to know the right questions to ask