Old Testament talks about Heaven and the Aftelife a lot. So did Christ. Did you think He was talking about an entirely different place and God? Christ was Jewish after all...
Huh, I guess one could make the argument that when Christ was crucified and God split the temple that He was also splitting them off from Him. Interesting take for sure, but many came to Christ after and because of those events. Definitely merits a discussion I’d say.
I agree with you, just was a thought I could see some one pursuing. God wouldn’t exclude anybody, hard for us humans to believe since we struggle to do the same, albeit often for good reason and to defend ourselves, but we’re also not God.
"if you knew the father, you would know me" -Jesus Christ
So yeah, they don't know the father or the son. Instead, because of their denial, he said "ye are of your father the devil and it is his will ye will do."
It cannot be more clear, and straight from the mouth of Jesus.
to my knowledge Jewish people believed in an afterlife that was almost identical to the greek idea of the afterlife. A split afterlife, one for righteous people and one for those who were not. Abraham's bosom and Gehenna. The latter was described by Jesus as a wet nasty smelly horrible place with lots of angry people but none of the wetness was drinkable and nothing you needed was available. Abraham's bosom was a place of comfort where you had what you needed. Edit: to be clear neither of these were heaven where God lived. Same as the Greek idea of the afterlife where the dead went to Hades and didn't go to Mt. Olympus.
I’d love to read more on this if you have some sources. I’ve begun doing some learning on old Hebrew tribalism and beliefs before they came together as the Chosen and the Jews we know and think of today. Just like lots of the world their tribal past and practices undoubtedly had a part in their current religion and belief system and from what I’ve begun to read today there are some weird and fucked up beliefs and sects of Judaism still hanging around today.
Well the good greeks didn't go to mt olympus when they died, that place was reserved only for the gods.
They went to a place between olympia and hades. More of a purgatory where they just hung out for eternity in a place that was supposed to be calm and pleasant.
A lot of references might be overstating it.
I think most of the references, particularly to heaven/Abraham’s Bosom are not that clearly referencing heaven. Some of them are used as references to heaven when they are cited in the New Testament. But, if you reject all things NT, then you wouldn’t change how you read those verses based on how they were used in the NT. Just like protestants don’t give a shit how Catholics or Mormons view verses in light of their additional texts.
Old Testament talks about Heaven and the Aftelife a lot. So did Christ. Did you think He was talking about an entirely different place and God? Christ was Jewish after all...
Thank you for restoring my faith in humanity. I was starting to get concerned.
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jews today do not practice the same religion that christ did. There is no temple and when was the last time you saw a burnt offering?
Jews do not worship the same God as Christians.
Huh, I guess one could make the argument that when Christ was crucified and God split the temple that He was also splitting them off from Him. Interesting take for sure, but many came to Christ after and because of those events. Definitely merits a discussion I’d say.
I agree with you, just was a thought I could see some one pursuing. God wouldn’t exclude anybody, hard for us humans to believe since we struggle to do the same, albeit often for good reason and to defend ourselves, but we’re also not God.
"if you knew the father, you would know me" -Jesus Christ
So yeah, they don't know the father or the son. Instead, because of their denial, he said "ye are of your father the devil and it is his will ye will do."
It cannot be more clear, and straight from the mouth of Jesus.
They worship satan.
Two things can be true. Remember, the Jews deny Christ and refer to you as "cattle"
The Jewish talmud adde some serious revisions to the OT
to my knowledge Jewish people believed in an afterlife that was almost identical to the greek idea of the afterlife. A split afterlife, one for righteous people and one for those who were not. Abraham's bosom and Gehenna. The latter was described by Jesus as a wet nasty smelly horrible place with lots of angry people but none of the wetness was drinkable and nothing you needed was available. Abraham's bosom was a place of comfort where you had what you needed. Edit: to be clear neither of these were heaven where God lived. Same as the Greek idea of the afterlife where the dead went to Hades and didn't go to Mt. Olympus.
I’d love to read more on this if you have some sources. I’ve begun doing some learning on old Hebrew tribalism and beliefs before they came together as the Chosen and the Jews we know and think of today. Just like lots of the world their tribal past and practices undoubtedly had a part in their current religion and belief system and from what I’ve begun to read today there are some weird and fucked up beliefs and sects of Judaism still hanging around today.
Well the good greeks didn't go to mt olympus when they died, that place was reserved only for the gods.
They went to a place between olympia and hades. More of a purgatory where they just hung out for eternity in a place that was supposed to be calm and pleasant.
true but it was still considered part of Hades as it was still containing dead people and that was still the purview of Hades(the god not the place)
A lot of references might be overstating it. I think most of the references, particularly to heaven/Abraham’s Bosom are not that clearly referencing heaven. Some of them are used as references to heaven when they are cited in the New Testament. But, if you reject all things NT, then you wouldn’t change how you read those verses based on how they were used in the NT. Just like protestants don’t give a shit how Catholics or Mormons view verses in light of their additional texts.