Ironically, there are techniques to make a city self sustaining, such as hydroponics facilities and rooftop/terrace farming. The reason we don't do so right now is because it's just not economically viable, as mass rural farming is vastly more efficient than the 'city methods'.
Yeah the real issue is that not enough people who live in urban areas want to take the time and effort necessary to upkeep even a small garden. I live in the burbs, we have a decent sized garden, and its work on top of whatever job you have. You can't just get home from the office, make a sustainable Soy-Smoothie, smoke a ton of pot and shitpost to ChapoTraphouse for 8 hours. Gardening takes attentiveness, planning and time every day. These shmucks don't have what it takes on top of it being far less cost effective than rural farming.
I've tried to successfully garden SO many times and keep failing, so I really respect people who can. I grew some tomatoes once and they tasted so good that I keep trying lol
...wait'll you get up to homesteading size. My wife and I spend an average of 6 hours a week maintaining ours - and that is definitely not counting the hours spent processing, dehydrating, canning, freezer-prep, and seed-harvesting the produce we do get out of it.
On the plus side, we get long conversations w/o electronic interference, and 50% of our grocery bill is taken care of (I'm currently expanding things so that 80% of our grocery needs disappear.)
Yeah, we're pretty much at the max our lawn can support because of the tree cover. We get about 15% of our veggies from our garden in the summer. I mean if the shit hit the fan we'd cut 80% of our trees down, use the logs as barricades, shooting stand the rest as Turrets and would be able to reasonably sustain our veggie needs that way. Plus, with about 40% of our neighbors being lefties, after we repelled their attacks we'd turn their lawns into community gardens too. But yeah, its real work and blights, bugs and the like can ruin it all. Maintaining a small garden gives me real respect for farmers, because they are responsible for SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much more than my little patch and all of our lives depend on them.
actual question from a keto-er ---> wouldn't it be less work to just raise some cows, and slaughter one or two a year, use the rest for dairy if you so chose, and raised some chicken for eggs?
me and my friends in the mountains smoke pot and garden at the same time all the time. and get tons of food from it.
honestly if pot affects you that badly, your too low IQ to even work at mcdonalds im sorry. you should be labeled with like 30 learning disabilities if thats the case.
Drinking alcohol has a far worse and more severe effect on intelligence and decision making. you can also drive 100% safely on THC as well. and its been a recognized medicine for over 5000 years up until congress committed fraud to make it totally illegal and then the rest of the world slowly followed through as places like the UN created the drug schedule system and pushed it on everyone (reagan did not start the war, he accepted the directive from the UN)
so much fraud gets done with drugs you have no idea. like suboxone -- reckett and benickiser committed several acts of fraud to get that past the FDA but nobody cares. for one, the naloxone in it is inactive because it has less binding affinity than bupe -- meaning the strips are fully injectible and the courses the doctors take for certification straight up lie and it can be easily proven.
not only that but theyve created a system which deprives people of treatment with caps on patients and specialized doctors who only take cash -- often working BOTH in pain management and that which is a true racket (get em addicted, keep em addicted, cash visits only)
so in combination, even if you have the money and are desperate you could end up on a 5 year waiting list. 99% of patients arent addicted and use once per month before going to fail the drug test so they can get 3 boxes a month (more than any person needs in the world) and sell them all for massive profits.
it creates a black market intentionally -- ive even known doctors to take strips out of peoples scripts sometimes for private illegal use or to sell on the side. but no matter how many cops, people like me who once were patients, or anyone else tries to blow the whistle nobody gives a damn shit. I even DID email the FDA but they dont care.
btw in order to quit their demon drug, I had to treat myself in unauthorized manner utilizing kratom and DXM cough syrup. worked like charm. clean off all opiates for 8 years. and yes DXM has beneficial properties for helping out opiate addiction. its in medical studies. lot of ways its a worse drug than heroin with a brutally long 2 month withdrawal. you really are better off just cold turkey.
Ive had fights on reddit with people over it -- the reason they deny the truth about suboxone is because they heavily profit from it. the doctor pays for itself and then some. easiest money you ever made in drug dealing. could be solved by forcing them to look for injection sites at dr visits, pill counts, as well as removing the fraud course and allowing GMs to prescribe directly paid for by insurance.
right now people pay like $300 for a visit once a month, but end up making like $800 a month off it once you realize insurance IS covering the drug they arent using and get to sell. people literally fill up the limited seats to do this because its easy money just to sell at inflated rates to people who do need it.
Some realize injection is possible that do need it, and then use that to stretch their own supply out to sell -- which the doctors claim is impossible (had fights with em) but its a widely known fact by anyone with pharmacology knowledge about these substances. its just the company and many of the users intentionally and knowingly perpetuate fraud.
its entirely possible to take 1 pill, go to outpatient rehab on insurance a few times a week, shoot up in the bathroom at rehab, and sell a majority of your rehab drugs which they refuse to look for signs of abuse or sale because its suboxone. they never count. dont look for injection sites. dont care. and believe the lies they were fed.
im actually sad, because yes, in this case I DO know more than those doctors (not all, just those ones, and just related to this specific subject).
Oh, sorry, I didn't mean that smoking pot made you incapable, I meant that smoking weed and shitposting on ChapoTraphouse doesn't actually grow plants. Its the combo. Hell, some people it makes more productive, some less. For me it depends on the activity. If its something I like to do that is not super duper physical, being high actually makes me more into it. If its something I hate but is super repetitive, actually same thing. If its super intense, IE running, lifting, it makes me worse. Sorry if I came off as a hater on the ganj, I actually enjoy it myself as well. I am simply speaking to the crowd I was deriding, City Socialists who post about community gardening and dont realize that putting in 20 minutes a week isn't going to grow you shit.
EDIT: Also, my cousin died of a heroin overdose recently. Was on Suboxone but it seems like he was giving a lot of his away to friends who were waiting. Some shit happened in his life that pushed him over the edge and we lost him. I'm very happy to hear that you beat the dragon, and to hear that you did it with DXM is very interesting. When I was but a teenager my idiot friends and I would "Robo-Trip" on that for fun, glad to hear that there is some clinical use for it, hope that that becomes wider spread. Stay strong man, glad to hear you aren't addicted to opiates anymore.
Are you ready for the punchline? The guy who started the CHOP garden has a Masters degree in "Sustainability in the Urban Environment": https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2020/06/12/43897621/meet-the-farmer-behind-chazs-vegetable-gardens
Ironically, there are techniques to make a city self sustaining, such as hydroponics facilities and rooftop/terrace farming. The reason we don't do so right now is because it's just not economically viable, as mass rural farming is vastly more efficient than the 'city methods'.
Yeah the real issue is that not enough people who live in urban areas want to take the time and effort necessary to upkeep even a small garden. I live in the burbs, we have a decent sized garden, and its work on top of whatever job you have. You can't just get home from the office, make a sustainable Soy-Smoothie, smoke a ton of pot and shitpost to ChapoTraphouse for 8 hours. Gardening takes attentiveness, planning and time every day. These shmucks don't have what it takes on top of it being far less cost effective than rural farming.
I've tried to successfully garden SO many times and keep failing, so I really respect people who can. I grew some tomatoes once and they tasted so good that I keep trying lol
...wait'll you get up to homesteading size. My wife and I spend an average of 6 hours a week maintaining ours - and that is definitely not counting the hours spent processing, dehydrating, canning, freezer-prep, and seed-harvesting the produce we do get out of it.
On the plus side, we get long conversations w/o electronic interference, and 50% of our grocery bill is taken care of (I'm currently expanding things so that 80% of our grocery needs disappear.)
Yeah, we're pretty much at the max our lawn can support because of the tree cover. We get about 15% of our veggies from our garden in the summer. I mean if the shit hit the fan we'd cut 80% of our trees down, use the logs as barricades, shooting stand the rest as Turrets and would be able to reasonably sustain our veggie needs that way. Plus, with about 40% of our neighbors being lefties, after we repelled their attacks we'd turn their lawns into community gardens too. But yeah, its real work and blights, bugs and the like can ruin it all. Maintaining a small garden gives me real respect for farmers, because they are responsible for SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much more than my little patch and all of our lives depend on them.
actual question from a keto-er ---> wouldn't it be less work to just raise some cows, and slaughter one or two a year, use the rest for dairy if you so chose, and raised some chicken for eggs?
would that be less work, or just different work?
You're my hero. I have such reverence and envy for people who are even close to a homesteading lifestyle, especially without going full hermit mode.
thats not true at all.
me and my friends in the mountains smoke pot and garden at the same time all the time. and get tons of food from it.
honestly if pot affects you that badly, your too low IQ to even work at mcdonalds im sorry. you should be labeled with like 30 learning disabilities if thats the case.
Drinking alcohol has a far worse and more severe effect on intelligence and decision making. you can also drive 100% safely on THC as well. and its been a recognized medicine for over 5000 years up until congress committed fraud to make it totally illegal and then the rest of the world slowly followed through as places like the UN created the drug schedule system and pushed it on everyone (reagan did not start the war, he accepted the directive from the UN)
so much fraud gets done with drugs you have no idea. like suboxone -- reckett and benickiser committed several acts of fraud to get that past the FDA but nobody cares. for one, the naloxone in it is inactive because it has less binding affinity than bupe -- meaning the strips are fully injectible and the courses the doctors take for certification straight up lie and it can be easily proven.
not only that but theyve created a system which deprives people of treatment with caps on patients and specialized doctors who only take cash -- often working BOTH in pain management and that which is a true racket (get em addicted, keep em addicted, cash visits only)
so in combination, even if you have the money and are desperate you could end up on a 5 year waiting list. 99% of patients arent addicted and use once per month before going to fail the drug test so they can get 3 boxes a month (more than any person needs in the world) and sell them all for massive profits.
it creates a black market intentionally -- ive even known doctors to take strips out of peoples scripts sometimes for private illegal use or to sell on the side. but no matter how many cops, people like me who once were patients, or anyone else tries to blow the whistle nobody gives a damn shit. I even DID email the FDA but they dont care.
btw in order to quit their demon drug, I had to treat myself in unauthorized manner utilizing kratom and DXM cough syrup. worked like charm. clean off all opiates for 8 years. and yes DXM has beneficial properties for helping out opiate addiction. its in medical studies. lot of ways its a worse drug than heroin with a brutally long 2 month withdrawal. you really are better off just cold turkey.
Ive had fights on reddit with people over it -- the reason they deny the truth about suboxone is because they heavily profit from it. the doctor pays for itself and then some. easiest money you ever made in drug dealing. could be solved by forcing them to look for injection sites at dr visits, pill counts, as well as removing the fraud course and allowing GMs to prescribe directly paid for by insurance.
right now people pay like $300 for a visit once a month, but end up making like $800 a month off it once you realize insurance IS covering the drug they arent using and get to sell. people literally fill up the limited seats to do this because its easy money just to sell at inflated rates to people who do need it.
Some realize injection is possible that do need it, and then use that to stretch their own supply out to sell -- which the doctors claim is impossible (had fights with em) but its a widely known fact by anyone with pharmacology knowledge about these substances. its just the company and many of the users intentionally and knowingly perpetuate fraud.
its entirely possible to take 1 pill, go to outpatient rehab on insurance a few times a week, shoot up in the bathroom at rehab, and sell a majority of your rehab drugs which they refuse to look for signs of abuse or sale because its suboxone. they never count. dont look for injection sites. dont care. and believe the lies they were fed.
im actually sad, because yes, in this case I DO know more than those doctors (not all, just those ones, and just related to this specific subject).
Oh, sorry, I didn't mean that smoking pot made you incapable, I meant that smoking weed and shitposting on ChapoTraphouse doesn't actually grow plants. Its the combo. Hell, some people it makes more productive, some less. For me it depends on the activity. If its something I like to do that is not super duper physical, being high actually makes me more into it. If its something I hate but is super repetitive, actually same thing. If its super intense, IE running, lifting, it makes me worse. Sorry if I came off as a hater on the ganj, I actually enjoy it myself as well. I am simply speaking to the crowd I was deriding, City Socialists who post about community gardening and dont realize that putting in 20 minutes a week isn't going to grow you shit.
EDIT: Also, my cousin died of a heroin overdose recently. Was on Suboxone but it seems like he was giving a lot of his away to friends who were waiting. Some shit happened in his life that pushed him over the edge and we lost him. I'm very happy to hear that you beat the dragon, and to hear that you did it with DXM is very interesting. When I was but a teenager my idiot friends and I would "Robo-Trip" on that for fun, glad to hear that there is some clinical use for it, hope that that becomes wider spread. Stay strong man, glad to hear you aren't addicted to opiates anymore.
Except if they legalize marijuana, it won't be lettuce that's grown in the warehouses....