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TH3D3S 19 points ago +19 / -0

Say 'No' to the vaccine!

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Freetrial 4 points ago +5 / -1

Do you mind if I ask, If Trump was to back a Vaccine for Covid, what would your opinion be on it my friend?

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ShiffsDeadHooker 13 points ago +13 / -0

My personal take is this. Treat it like you would a flu vaccine. Haven't been taking one for many years because the flu isn't a concern for you? Then the same thing here. You think that getting the flu could kill you? Then get the vaccine.

I have no problem getting tetanus boosters, because getting lockjaw would really suck even if it didn't kill you and I've had enough medium to serious injuries to know that shit happens. But the flu? Only time I had it since I was a kid was when I got a flu shot. Like literally the next week.

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Freetrial 6 points ago +6 / -0

That's completely fair my friend! Personally when the vaccine comes out, I'm thinking of getting it, but then again, I've honestly think I've been exposed to Covid enough that I probably have immunity to it.

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ShiffsDeadHooker 6 points ago +6 / -0

I'm very sure I was exposed to it last January. I was flying around the country then, and went through several very busy major airports. Airports with literally hundreds more Asian people wearing masks than I'd ever seen before. And I've flown a lot. After my trip, I spent three days feeling lousy and that's notable because it happens so rarely. My younger sister contracted it earlier this month and had about identical symptoms to mine. Sorta felt crappy for three days, then over it. The difference was she got tested for it. No such tests available when I probably got it. And there was no way I was going to get tested later just to see if I had it. During my trip Trump signed his travel ban.

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Freetrial 5 points ago +5 / -0

EXACTLY I think I might've been exposed to it back in march? I had a slight cough, slight fever and felt shitty for like 3-4 days, then magically it was gone. And I've been outside pretty often (I live in a county that I believe is in stage 4 of re-opening) and I've yet to have the same repeat of symptoms I've had earlier in the year.

Honestly I think more than anything, I'm astonished it took this long for us to reach 200,000 deaths. Cause remember in China Covid was offing people left and right, like bodies in the street kind of thing. Meanwhile here in America it took us like 8 months to reach half the deaths the Swine Flu had.

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Mossbergundy 8 points ago +8 / -0

A wise old doctor once said “Wait 5 years to give a new drug to your patients. Wait 10 years to give it to your family.” I think it was William Osler, but I’m not certain.

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Freetrial 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yep, I can see that. Honestly, (and this is a bit off topic) I think the biggest thing people are going to look back on with Covid, is going to be the Authoritarians trying to latch onto every little bit of power as they could.

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jive-ass-turkey 1 point ago +1 / -0

That and the erosion of trust in the establishment in ways the think tanks in DC and NY haven't even workshopped yet.

For instance, my wife and I would love to have a child, we're working on that and we pray God will bless us with one some day.

I had planned to talk with my Pediatrician to make sure they weren't over-vaccinating my future child and any vaccines we did decide to give them were spaced out over enough time. I don't care if it is more convenient for me or the doctor to do them all at once.

But I had planned to trust my physician, and the pharmaceutical industry to an extent, on the exact type of vaccine they were going to use. Wasn't even going to ask who makes it or what the alternatives are.

Not anymore.

I don't trust these assholes with anything now. We're consoomers to them and they only care about selling more medicine.

My childhood friend's son is autistic. It is absolutely heartbreaking to see what it has done to him and his family, and they are one of the success stories. He is talented enough to make the tons of money he must have to afford the frankly ridiculous amount of medical care and support the child needs, and will probably always need. My buddy's wife, the child's mother, is an RN, and about the best person I know equipped to deal with something like this and she needs help.

I don't know if vaccinations have anything to do with autism. However, after seeing what I have, anything and everything I can do to keep such a fate from happening to my child, or even lessen their chances, is worth whatever it takes.

I will now be a card-carrying expert on each and every vaccine that goes into my child, how it is made, the alternatives (if any), etc. I will wade-in to the comic-sans-formatted geocities-like websites of anti-vaxers to make sure I agree with the debunkers. I will trust no one.

I'll still most likely get 90% of the vaccines my doctor recommends. Smallpox, measles, mumps, these things are no joke. I am not going to leave my child vulnerable and not vaccinate them, not to mention the potential impact to herd immunity.

I am not "anti-vax". I do not think there is anything systemically wrong with all vaccines. But I'm also not an expert.

I just like to know what I am putting in my body and that goes triple for any of my future hopeful children. Before all of this shit I was planning to trust my doctor like a good little consoomer, but now I will have to do my homework and provide far more oversight than I had previously envisioned.

When I think about it like that, they probably did me a favor in the long-run.

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Freetrial 1 point ago +1 / -0

My friend, I've read all of that, and I have to agree with you. There is nothing wrong with being skeptical about Vaccines. Personally I want Doctors to start prioritizing the patient again, not the Pharmaceutical industry. I know the family Doctor that my family has is pretty good. He's been honest and upfront with my family about all the care I need to give them, and he's told me about their medication, side effects, and things of that nature, and he's never tried to "upsell" treatments.

And I feel the same way about Vaccines. I wouldn't say I'm Anti-Vax, but I'm also not "pro-vax" either. I'm middle of the road. I respect people and their bodily autonomy and I want parents to have the most information about what they're putting in their children's body. That's why I kind of worry about Bill Gates and the new Covid vaccines, and the push the Democrats have made with Fauci with like the Vaccine tests/Tests to make sure you're "Covid Free". I'm not anti science to any degree, but lord have mercy I don't trust ANY politician lol.

Also! I hope that God does bless you both with a Child one day, I hope they're a beautiful bundle of joy my friend :)

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TH3D3S 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm not even considering it in my current state of health. I'm under 40 years old and have no medical issues that would make me an at risk person. I would potentially consider the vaccine if I ever became a high-risk person.

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Freetrial 2 points ago +2 / -0

That's completely fair. Honestly you've probably already have had it and wouldn't even know and probably have anti-bodies to it now.

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ModernKnight 2 points ago +2 / -0

If it's proven to be a safe and effective vaccine for 30 years or more, I'd consider taking it. Trump's backing or not backing the vaccine doesn't factor into my decision.

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Useful_Vidiots 12 points ago +12 / -0

Need something more than a graphic and a claim in the title. I think this crap is bullshit but there is far too much bullshit info out there copied and pasted unquestioningly.

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Useful_Vidiots 3 points ago +3 / -0

Thanks.

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MAGAAllTheTime 12 points ago +12 / -0

Asymptotic infections are actually testing false positives

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swimminginthoughts 9 points ago +9 / -0

Asymptomatic cases are a myth to guilt people into wearing masks.

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Dr__Kekyl 11 points ago +11 / -0

Say 'No' to the mask date!

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mightyclaw 9 points ago +9 / -0

I believe this may be the link to the CDC table OP is referencing: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html#table-1

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DeadOverRed 6 points ago +6 / -0

Masks are now a central tenet of the TDS cult. Personally, I like them for target identification.

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DeadOverRed 3 points ago +3 / -0

;)

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feedmepizzaseymour 8 points ago +8 / -0

Oh good. I'm glad my career and industry was destroyed for this.

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mightyclaw 7 points ago +7 / -0

Here, also, is the Reason.com article that linked to the CNN page (ugh) that finally linked to the actual CDC page:

https://reason.com/2020/05/24/the-cdcs-new-best-estimate-implies-a-covid-19-infection-fatality-rate-below-0-3/

"According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the current "best estimate" for the fatality rate among Americans with COVID-19 symptoms is 0.4 percent. The CDC also estimates that 35 percent of people infected by the COVID-19 virus never develop symptoms. Those numbers imply that the virus kills less than 0.3 percent of people infected by it—far lower than the infection fatality rates (IFRs) assumed by the alarming projections that drove the initial government response to the epidemic, including broad business closure and stay-at-home orders.

The CDC offers the new estimates in its "COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios," which are meant to guide hospital administrators in "assessing resource needs" and help policy makers "evaluate the potential effects of different community mitigation strategies." It says "the planning scenarios are being used by mathematical modelers throughout the Federal government."

The CDC's five scenarios include one based on "a current best estimate about viral transmission and disease severity in the United States." That scenario assumes a "basic reproduction number" of 2.5, meaning the average carrier can be expected to infect that number of people in a population with no immunity. It assumes an overall symptomatic case fatality rate (CFR) of 0.4 percent, roughly four times the estimated CFR for the seasonal flu. The CDC estimates that the CFR for COVID-19 falls to 0.05 percent among people younger than 50 and rises to 1.3 percent among people 65 and older. For people in the middle (ages 50–64), the estimated CFR is 0.2 percent.

That "best estimate" scenario also assumes that 35 percent of infections are asymptomatic, meaning the total number of infections is more than 50 percent larger than the number of symptomatic cases. It therefore implies that the IFR is between 0.2 percent and 0.3 percent. By contrast, the projections that the CDC made in March, which predicted that as many as 1.7 million Americans could die from COVID-19 without intervention, assumed an IFR of 0.8 percent. Around the same time, researchers at Imperial College produced a worst-case scenario in which 2.2 million Americans died, based on an IFR of 0.9 percent.

Such projections had a profound impact on policy makers in the United States and around the world. At the end of March, President Donald Trump, who has alternated between minimizing and exaggerating the threat posed by COVID-19, warned that the United States could see "up to 2.2 million deaths and maybe even beyond that" without aggressive control measures, including lockdowns.

One glaring problem with those worst-case scenarios was the counterfactual assumption that people would carry on as usual in the face of the pandemic—that they would not take voluntary precautions such as avoiding crowds, minimizing social contact, working from home, wearing masks, and paying extra attention to hygiene. The Imperial College projection was based on "the (unlikely) absence of any control measures or spontaneous changes in individual behaviour." Similarly, the projection of as many as 2.2 million deaths in the United States cited by the White House was based on "no intervention"—not just no lockdowns, but no response of any kind.

Another problem with those projections, assuming that the CDC's current "best estimate" is in the right ballpark, was that the IFRs they assumed were far too high. The difference between an IFR of 0.8 to 0.9 percent and an IFR of 0.2 to 0.3 percent, even in the completely unrealistic worst-case scenarios, is the difference between millions and hundreds of thousands of deaths—still a grim outcome, but not nearly as bad as the horrifying projections cited by politicians to justify the sweeping restrictions they imposed."

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AnointedVisions 6 points ago +6 / -0

So it's the flu

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SemperFree 6 points ago +6 / -0

But people from the age of 2 on are required to wear masks in much of the Country.

Pathetic

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MaximumDistress 6 points ago +6 / -0

Somebody needs to be held accountable for destroying the world economy

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GCotN 5 points ago +5 / -0

link pls. thank you

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mightyclaw 5 points ago +5 / -0

Here it is in text form, including the preamble:

Table 1. Parameter Values that vary among the five COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios. The scenarios are intended to advance public health preparedness and planning. They are not predictions or estimates of the expected impact of COVID-19. The parameter values in each scenario will be updated and augmented over time, as we learn more about the epidemiology of COVID-19. Additional parameter values might be added in the future (e.g., population density, household transmission, and/or race and ethnicity).

Parameter values Table 1 Parameter Scenario 1 Scenario 2 Scenario 3 Scenario 4 Scenario 5: Current Best Estimate R0* 2.0 4.0 2.5 Infection Fatality Ratio† 0-19 years: 0.00002 20-49 years: 0.00007 50-69 years: 0.0025 70+ years: 0.028 0-19 years: 0.0001 20-49 years: 0.0003 50-69 years: 0.010 70+ years: 0.093 0-19 years: 0.00003 20-49 years: 0.0002 50-69 years: 0.005 70+ years: 0.054 Percent of infections that are asymptomatic§ 10% 70% 10% 70% 40% Infectiousness of asymptomatic individuals relative to symptomatic¶ 25% 100% 25% 100% 75% Percentage of transmission occurring prior to symptom onset** 30% 70% 30% 70% 50%

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Hillarysudders 3 points ago +3 / -0

You forgot some zeroes, at least two in the scenario 5.

0.0002

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Puglosi4Prison [S] 4 points ago +4 / -0

That the fatality ratio , 0.0002 which is 0.02%

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MAGATRAIN2k20 1 point ago +1 / -0

Show anyone this chart and they’ll immediately come back with “yes, but....”

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Puglosi4Prison [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

A libby freak told me “Drumph is getting CDC to lie for him now”

I told him okay but these numbers match other countries too..

He still hasn’t got back yet. Waiting for orders from the high command

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MAGATRAIN2k20 1 point ago +1 / -0

😂

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