Be Me, 20 years old. Psych Major. Rocking the blue hair (and would totally do it again, fyi....)
Get red pilled after the election in 2016 (I didn’t vote.) Lurk on the Donald, start seeing the bullshit the mainstream media censors Get somewhat alienated by very well meaning but brainwashed loved ones. You know, the ones who honestly want the best for humanity and have been brainwashed by the commies. Obtain Trauma. Go to counseling, etc to try to process/bury feelings about this. Stuff them deep down and try to move on.
Be Me in 2020. 24. The world is on fire. Person in my life gets red pilled. Person starts sending me red-pilly stuff. Feelings re-surface. See how badly America looks like it’s falling to globalism and communism
Fuck it. See you fuckers in November.
welcome to the basket of deplorables yo
Heh. I’m not gonna lie, both sides have their toxic ideologies (I see opinions that are a bit ass-backwards around these parts, IMO.)
But I’d rather be on the side with some douchebags who can’t get out of 1950 than the side advocating for violence and threatening liberty.
I see a lot of people have toxic ideas about women (such as women belong as wives and mothers, single and childless women are always miserable, women can’t be trusted with positions of power, women lose their worth as they age, etc. and I simply can’t agree.)
Also, and this is not going to be popular, but:
I’ve had an abortion.
I was 21. My boyfriend and I were dumb college kids who didn’t use protection. I had told him that If I got pregnant, I’d get an abortion. We did. I did (he was, for the record, 100% supportive and grateful.)
I’m on birth control now. I get the arguments for wanting a cutoff date, but I don’t support outlawing abortions entirely. Countries which outlaw abortions don’t see fewer abortions: they see more dead or injured women from unsafe back alley abortions.
Furthermore, let’s look at some examples of how the pro-life argument parallels some things. You cannot be a donor (OG an organ, blood, etc) to somebody if you do not consent. It doesn’t matter if they’re going to die without your surgery: if you don’t consent, nobody can make you donate. We also cannot harvest organs from the dead if they didn’t previously give their consent. I see pro-life arguments as arguing women should have less consent than dead people.
So yeah. I’m pro choice. That’s a biggie.
For me, the biggest problem is that leftists are no longer about "safe and rare" abortions. The "rare" part has been forgotten and is now essentially being used as birth control. A lot of leftists have legit started to fantasize abortions. Things like abortions unto 9 months (NY and Virginia) and the Virginia governor talking about abortion even after birth (infanticide).
Imo, if abortion really needs to stay, it should have a cut off date and that should be when a heart beat can be detected (I think it's 6 weeks). I understand that some would say "life starts at conception" and I get it - that's why even if abortion is to be allowed up to 6 weeks, people need to be taught that "we shall allow abortion but remember that it IS taking a life". I think people have forgotten that.
Keep in mind that some of the stuff here is just shitposting.
And not everyone here agrees with the most extreme positions.
Should the SC make the abortion law or or just STFU and leave it to the states?
No one is going to be outlawing abortion in states like CA.
My life too would have been real different had abortion not been available when I was in college.
But some of this shit like harvesting live baby parts is just too much even for me.
Regardless, notice no one has yet called for your head?
You can disagree with people, and we (I) will still talk with you.
FYI, always loved real redheads.
From a pro-life Christian, thank you! I respect our differences, and differences of opinions, but I still love you and welcome you aboard! I appreciate your honesty, intelligence, and willingness to think for yourself!
You see a lot of people, or a few people and a lot of strawmaning leftists claiming that's our ideology. It's not really, the core ideology is individual liberty and freedom. When you have that, it's actually okay for people to have different beliefs about other things, because they can't force their beliefs on you. Unlike the backward leftist ideology.
Pro life people get a bad rap because they've been effectively smeared as religious nutters and hypocrites. All reasonable arguments against abortion have been silenced, and replaced with a few flimsy or religious based ones, and moreover all pro life people are stereotyped as having all these other beliefs which they claim are not pro-life (e.g., they don't care about babies after they are born).
All lies and slander. The most pathetic one is the typical leftist argument that if you don't agree with them to the letter on exactly what they want to do or the exact amount of money they want to give people, then you hate people -- you hate poor people, babies, sick people, etc.
It's totally arbitrary. A leftist could propose giving 10% of your tax to welfare and they call themselves saints for being so generous with other peoples' money, but if a conservative says 8% is more reasonable, they're the devil. Why is 10% the "right" number? Why not 15%? Surely the leftist who advocates 10% is the devil compared to the super-leftist who wants 15%? And then the ultra-leftist wants 20! Where does it end, and why is the left's opinion of the month always the de facto "correct" thinking?
Anyway back to abortion. I'm atheist but I can see how the abortion issue has been twisted. There is nothing religious about considering a human life to begin at conception. It's actually a very good scientific basis -- the cells have been given their genetic material and begin their process of autonomous replication until the end of the person's life. A baby passing out of the woman's body, or some arbitrary number of weeks after which current medical science has a reasonable chance of keeping the baby alive, are far more arbitrary and unscientific measures.
And if you think that a state and its laws' most fundamental function is to protect the right of people to live, and to protect the people who can not protect themselves, then it's not at all hypocritical to believe abortion is very problematic. Maybe you can tolerate it in some situations, but it's not some celebration like the left treats it. You have to be under no illusion that you are choosing to end the life of another human who quite likely would have lived long enough to be born and learn to walk and talk and open birthday presents and go to school and get married and have their own children, if you had not made that choice. It's a tough burden to accept, but it's even tougher for the other person involved.
And if you believe that, then of course it's not just about women's choice. The left have smeared pro life people as having no motivation beyond "hating women" and wanting to punish sluts for having sex out of wedlock because of some alleged religious fundamentalism. These are yet more horrible, nasty lies and slander. Again, if you think a living human fetus is a person, then you now have two people's interests to weigh up, the mother's and the baby's. So in that case, pro-choice people are actually anti-choice when it comes to the baby's choice, aren't they? Just saying the baby isn't human and it's a clump of cells like a tumor is just a weak, pathetic cop-out, in my opinion. It's certainly a living thing, and it is distinct from the life of the mother (proof: it's possible for a woman to die while pregnant yet her baby be delivered alive or vice versa).
And you don't harvest organs without consent because 1) potentially extending or improving someone's life is not at all the same as choosing to take a life, and 2) more than one thing can be important, and the integrity of the human person is such a strong and old concept in law that it's very difficult to even interfere with their dead body. So you can imagine why people who agree with that protection to a person would also want a living baby to be protected as well. Not necessarily any hypocrisy there.
For what it's worth I don't think you're a bad person, and I'm not entirely pro-life (I realize that does make me inconsistent and hypocritical in some beliefs). I do think the left are bad for bullying slandering lying and disenfranchising and deplatforming the pro-life people, shutting down debate, refusing to compromise, and for lying and misinforming people about abortion issues and about the life of the fetus.
EDIT: I'm not telling you this to change your mind, I'm telling you this because there are millions of genuine, sincere conservatives for whom abortion looks like a holocaust because they see millions of people being slaughtered, butchered, experimented on, harvested of their organs and cells, and will never get a memorial in Poland or be mourned by history books or be remembered by their children and grandchildren. They're not out to get you, they don't hate women, they aren't backwards, they're upset about the issue and don't know what to do.
I’d guess she means stuff like gay rights (many Republicans still don’t like that stuff) and things like being overly religious.
I will admit even I see some unsavory opinions here from time to time. Not that having an opinion is bad, but some things do get a yonkers out of me
Not all of us are republicans or staunch conservatives, im a lifelong libertarian from liberal stronghold Cambridge MA... Trump was my first vote ever for one of the two uniparties. That's one thing about Trump supporters, some are Republicans, some are conservatives, some are Libertarians or even Democrats now while progressives/leftists dems are usually much more homogeneous. Many like me don't give a crap if you're gay or not, ironically one of my big selling points for voting Trump was lowering taxes reducing government and no more Wars. It's amazing that in 2016 you had to vote for the GOP to want less Wars or foreign interventions.
To be honest I know a lot of people here that feel the same way l do and live by Simple Rules. Be who you want to be and do what you want to do as long as it doesn't infringe on other people's rights, doesn't hurt people that don't want to be hurt, doesn't involve kids, I don't have to pay for it and you stay the hell off my lawn.
I think 90%+ of Trump supporters don't care as long as it's not being shoved down the throat. What goes on in your bed room is none of my business. As long as consensual adults.
I’m also pro choice.
A lot of us don't care about being gay, but we do care about it being shoved in our face all the time with a pride month and everything else.
Yonkers is a town in NY. "You can take the boy out of Yonkers, but you can't take the Yonkers out of the boy?" Lol
I smell a commie in our midst.
Howdy,
So, I registered just because of you.. lurker on both, but registered all because of your post.
What ideologies do you see around here that are ass backwards?
I see some, too. The funny thing is, so many people do as well - BUT - what I've noticed is that people respect them because they are not being forced on to others.
This is what blows mind about this community. People have different views (in some cases they are extremely different) but they are respected and not shit on. Other communities isn't not the same.
This community gets the concept of free speech, exchange and respect of different ideas, and supporting each other simply because we are American.
Anyways, just wondered.
"But I’d rather be on the side with some douchebags who can’t get out of 1950 than the side advocating for violence and threatening liberty."
ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
Hello?...that period--post WW2 from 1948 to 1956--was the time of the 'Beat Generation'. An underground, anti-conformist youth movement that started in New York. Some great literature, art and dark smokey nightclub music (jazz) that allowed you to chill and think. Y would've loved it. Everything clean (i.e no AIDS) and FREE to be y'self or 'experiment'.
[Btw, I wasn't there but I've read the books]
I’m talking about the ones who tout that women must get married and have children.
You may have seen the SNL spoofs on DJT wanting to make the US 1950's again. What's-her-names comnletely over the top portrayal of Jeff Sessions, as an opossum. Pretty funny! I wonder if this has shaped your remark here?
What you're talking about was really prevalent in the 60's, those women daring to break that stereotype were really pioneers. Which is really strange because WWII saw women needing to be very independent.
Once in a while SNL gets it right in terms of "the pulse of the Nation." Like right after the 2016 election when Michael Che said 32 genders is why the Democrats lost the election. It was only humorous in that really awkward way because there was so much truth to it.