Abortion is not murder. Here's why: murder is a legal term with a specific corpus delicti which must be met to be true. Abortion is excluded from being murder legally and, even before Roe v Wade, abortion was generally prosecuted as manslaughter or merely providing illegal abortions - and not murder.
I am curious how "pro-lifers" get around the idea that most life on this planet involves no conception.
First, most life on this planet is produced asexually, from bacteria to plants to fungi.
Second, there's the problem of parthenogenesis, where embryos are fertilized without sperm. Some fish, amphibians, scorpions, and bees reproduce this way. Could a "pro-lifer" seriously look at a fish or bee and say "it's not alive because it wasn't conceived".
Third, a definition of life beginnings would need to include all life, not just humans. So "life begins at conception" is not a scientific belief, but a theocratic one.
Me too, I'm pro-choice.
I do want R v W repealed because that's a travesty that the Left legislates from the bench, and I would limit it to the third trimester.
But in general: if ghetto joggers and feminists want to kill their own spawn, let them.
We'd be in concentration camps already if it wasn't for abortion.
It's actually the other way around, there are plenty of non-insane democrats that are being turned off by the extreme leftist stance on abortion. Tim Pool talked about this the other day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blNdMhj0_wc
It always pays off in the long run to stick to the truth and not try to pander to something you don't truly believe in, it's a slippery slope and it weakens you.
Those babies would not be conceived if abortion is illegal. People treat sex like it is nothing because at the end of the day, if all other contraceptive measures fail, they will always be able to exterminate an unplanned baby without having to think much about it. If you take away that ultimate option, women will stop treating sex like a game, and they will only do it with men that they can actually trust.
I literally teach sex Ed lol. I know a thing or two about it. I also teach US history and there was a very clear change in sexual behavior starting around the time contraceptives began to be widely available. Things got 10x worse after Roe v. Wade. Before that it was always questionable whether contraceptives were going to work. After it, you knew that you could always get out of a pregnancy if you wanted to.
You are right, we are programmed to want sex. But that does not mean that we aren’t constantly refraining from giving into all of our sexual impulses. We do it all the time because we know that there are consequences to having sex whenever and with whatever we want to. That leads to a much better society where people are only having sexual when they are with someone they really trust.
If someone isn't prepared to feed, clothe, house, educate, provide healthcare, and otherwise raise a thriving child, they should be encouraged to abort on their own dime. Otherwise, it's going to require incrementally more socialism the rest of us need to pay for.
I love that this new MAGA party is so staunchly pro-life.
My only two real never back down positions - pro-life, and 2A.
Can we instead call it anti-murder?
Cal lit what you want. It is murder.
Agreed. But in order to convince others, I think taking an anti-murder stance is more compelling.
Maybe.
Maybe not. I've seen nothing about this. I think the principle isn't one of semantics. The left are the ones to typically play games with words -
Pro-choice
Anti-abortion (vs. pro-life.)
It's about do we support abortion as a policy or not.
Abortion is not murder. Here's why: murder is a legal term with a specific corpus delicti which must be met to be true. Abortion is excluded from being murder legally and, even before Roe v Wade, abortion was generally prosecuted as manslaughter or merely providing illegal abortions - and not murder.
Riddle me this: if abortion is not murder, why is killing a pregnant woman classified as double homicide?
Dude. I have a feeling you are shilling...
Because sperms = a living being.
Seems legit.
Why the rush to get it done before birth? Why not let them be born, then just kill them off after a few years?
Let's say if it's not working out by kindergarden, at that point you poison them or dismember them.
I am curious how "pro-lifers" get around the idea that most life on this planet involves no conception.
First, most life on this planet is produced asexually, from bacteria to plants to fungi.
Second, there's the problem of parthenogenesis, where embryos are fertilized without sperm. Some fish, amphibians, scorpions, and bees reproduce this way. Could a "pro-lifer" seriously look at a fish or bee and say "it's not alive because it wasn't conceived".
Third, a definition of life beginnings would need to include all life, not just humans. So "life begins at conception" is not a scientific belief, but a theocratic one.
How do you measure sentience?
The science is clear the fetus responds to stress and responds to pain.
Every watch a video of a child in the womb squirming to get away from the doctors instruments?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07rqR52dvCE (Trump: I am pro-life, period)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j6g_IZc04A (Former Planned Parenthood Director Exposes Abortion Lies! (Abby Johnson Uncut) | Louder With Crowder)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCSZYJywQPM (I’m Pro-Life | Change My Mind)
Me too, I'm pro-choice. I do want R v W repealed because that's a travesty that the Left legislates from the bench, and I would limit it to the third trimester.
But in general: if ghetto joggers and feminists want to kill their own spawn, let them.
We'd be in concentration camps already if it wasn't for abortion.
Murder is murder. Just because it loses some votes doesn't mean I will back down on my desire to make murder illegal.
Otherwise, what good are we?
"With their own bodies" That's the part I take issue with.
Everything points to the fetus being it's own body, not a part of the mother.
She has her own heartbeat, her own fingerprints, her own brain waves, her own DNA, her own response to pain.
The child is her own person who deserves life regardless of the mistakes of the mother or the feelings of the public.
It's actually the other way around, there are plenty of non-insane democrats that are being turned off by the extreme leftist stance on abortion. Tim Pool talked about this the other day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blNdMhj0_wc
It always pays off in the long run to stick to the truth and not try to pander to something you don't truly believe in, it's a slippery slope and it weakens you.
Shit argument.
Those babies would not be conceived if abortion is illegal. People treat sex like it is nothing because at the end of the day, if all other contraceptive measures fail, they will always be able to exterminate an unplanned baby without having to think much about it. If you take away that ultimate option, women will stop treating sex like a game, and they will only do it with men that they can actually trust.
I literally teach sex Ed lol. I know a thing or two about it. I also teach US history and there was a very clear change in sexual behavior starting around the time contraceptives began to be widely available. Things got 10x worse after Roe v. Wade. Before that it was always questionable whether contraceptives were going to work. After it, you knew that you could always get out of a pregnancy if you wanted to.
You are right, we are programmed to want sex. But that does not mean that we aren’t constantly refraining from giving into all of our sexual impulses. We do it all the time because we know that there are consequences to having sex whenever and with whatever we want to. That leads to a much better society where people are only having sexual when they are with someone they really trust.
If someone isn't prepared to feed, clothe, house, educate, provide healthcare, and otherwise raise a thriving child, they should be encouraged to abort on their own dime. Otherwise, it's going to require incrementally more socialism the rest of us need to pay for.