Campaign finance law, voting rules, vote counting rules, among other things, combine to create a situation in which the US political landscape came to be dominated by a two-party monopoly. The increasing costs of digitally-marketed campaigns climbing higher and higher mean that this state of affairs is likely to remain cemented for the foreseeable future.
Excepting, of course, that the upcoming election might shake things up so much that my point becomes moot.
Is that what we are really need to do? Will it help anything? I mean, I dont think my vote will matter at all because I live in a red state.
Edit: I'm still voting for the greatest president ever, you asshats! Quit down voting me! I voted for him proudly the 1st time & have taken so much shit for it & still am. I've even made phone calls to see where some friends needed to go vote, who havent in 20 years. I was talking about DOUBLE VOTING! Do I NEED to? And is it wrong? And will it make a difference in my Red State?
So many states in the west used to be red states. Take nothing for granted. Just because real live people vote red, doesn’t mean your lack of a vote doesn’t get filled in and taken by some dem operative. Vote like your freedom depends on it.
I am!!!!!!! I voted for Trump the 1st election, Proudly! People have given me so much grief & still are, I lost a friend the other day I had for 30 plus years over President Trump! In fact, I wanted to rip into his inept ass BUT I simply said "you are making a mistake, there is so much we can agree on & you aren't making any effort, I will be here when you're ready to talk, and I have loved you my whole life & that will never change" he told me I needed psychiatric help. I have been supporting Donald Trump since the 1st Republican primary! He & Gov Christie were my favs at first. I wasnt even a fan of Celebrity Apprentice! I dont know why, I just believed he was genuine about what all he was saying & he was ruthless with it too! Anyway, I was asking about double voting... should I do it? Will it help? I mean, if they are all doing it, wouldnt we need to do it as well? I'm just confused on what is appropriate. Sometimes being nice & not playing the game the way others are will make you lose, even if rules are being broken. We HAVE to balance the scales!
And to think that in the Republican Party's infancy, they had balls enough to elect a President in their first fielding, and take on the entrenched Democrats for Civil War 1.0 and WIN IT.
Today's Republicans are hollowed out, ball-less shadows of what it used to mean to be a Republican.
Having 0 republicans on a board of 3 has the same impact as 2 on a board of 5. Resigning makes a political statement and draws media attention. You would have never read about this if the republicans didn't resign to draw attention to it.
The statement is pointless if corrections or further confrontation is not enacted. We’ve all seen over and over how republicans are willing to show their bellies.
No more attention needs to be drawn. Attention has been drawn to these Banana Republic tactics for years and the culpable media ignores it.
but they claimed to resign after being misled. That suggests that they had a hand in passing the legislation that otherwise wouldn't have passed. It's probably shame.
I've seen this sentiment for most of my life, I've also seen foreigners balk at the idea and how stupid the American two party system is compared to their much better and faster decline into communism. And now that I live in Canada and have become acquainted with their five flavors of Liberal parties, I now know the opposite to be true:
Anything other than a two party system is a joke and a lie.
Take all the democrat infighting, and make it a tiny bit more public so you can play the field when one "side" is losing popularity, and get more votes for the other liberal party. Then all the parties gang up against anyone who dares voice an actual conservative opinion, and before you know the "Conservative" party is left of Romney.
Everyone likes to think 'if we had more than one party we wouldn't have to deal with this bullshit corruption' but look at every other western nation with more than two parties right now, they are so far down the corruption hole there is no coming back.
A unified republican party was the only thing that held our country together for as long as it did, they couldn't actually break it until they took over the education and media and destroyed the country from the children up. And even that is currently in the process of backfiring. We still have a chance to reform the GOP, every other conservative party in the world is just offering 'democrat light' and cowering under their masks in fear of being called a racist again.
This needs to be said more often. Every other nation with their self righteous several party systems just keep moving further and further left. We at least have some actual opposition to leftist authoritarian progressivism.
Agreed. People use the original quote and Occam's Razor to convince themselves there aren't demon-worshipping child abusers trying to overthrow our government.
The original never made sense, it was just willful misdirection. Applied in real life, it would look like this:
"Sorry, you weren't raped, there was no malice involved, the person was just incompetent at getting permission to have sex with you."
I'd like to say that was sarcasm, but we saw it used a successful legal defense with refugees more than a few times. I would update it to Pede's Law 2020:
Never attribute to incompetence or malice what can be attributed to long term globalist plans.
Hanlon’s razor came about from engineering disasters. It was never meant to be applied generally.
It’s like using Occam’s razor to ‘debunk’ ‘conspiracy theories’. It was meant to assist in solving problems in the hard sciences not for solving every unknown reality in general!
That pisses me off when i read hiw dumb and stupid those politicians democrats are. They qre doing things fir very bad reasons, stupidity is not one of them.
Never trust what a scumbag Democrat will tell you, they lie. The Democrats are the same people who say systemic racism is a national health crisis on par with COVID. The Republicans were useful idiots, it seems, because they failed to question every single syllable and intonation from the scumbags in a Democrat led state. Trusting the lies of Democrats was their biggest failure. I trust a Democrat to tell me the truth as much as I trust a five year old to tell me why the bowl of cereal was spilled on to the floor.
The GOP is a cancer, run by idiot boomers with zero perspective of what’s happening. They are people that think Paul Ryan is impressive.
They will cost Conservatives America as we know it.
A lot of GOP guys are really not very politically savvy. They don't really know how the game is played or understand just how shockingly sick the left is. They are still just waking up and rubbing their eyes. I don't mean big-name Repubs like Ryan, but your local reps, state legislators etc are often like this. They need to be pressured and encouraged to fight, and they need to see Rinos get taken down.
Letting them steal everything may not be the worst idea. Think about how slow moving everything has been. We could re-baseline America in a matter of weeks if it came down to war.
We are letting good people have their lives ended/destroyed in Portland and Seattle. Just because 60% of people there voted for Communism doesn't mean the 40% who didn't deserve that fate. I am disgusted by the "they voted for it" argument to excuse pussiness. Oregonian militias need to establish their own courts and arrest portland DAs and the mayor for insurrection/treason. Speedy trial, one week before it begins.
We all need to prepare ourselves for the fact that Democrats aren't just "going to get" but have gotten their vote-by-mail (I've already received my unsolicited mail-in ballots), and Democrats are going to cheat, and Democrats are going to win in November, and Republicans (other than Trump) aren't going to do a goddamn fucking thing about it, just like they didn't do anything when Democrats flagrantly cheated to flip several seats in 2018. The great American experiment in liberty and capitalism will be over. Two-hundred and forty-four years. Not a bad run I suppose...
Being misled is the precursor to being lied to. Both can happen. Them resigning sends a huge holy shit flag up. They probably also know something we don't. Repubs clean house before they go after Dems. Always.
State legislatures send electors according to Article II. Let them count til they’re blue in the face, legislator over rules a radical judge. Send electors for mr. Trump, watch em REEEEEEEEEEEEREE.
Yes. I think this is why state legislature’s aren’t pushing back against the extended count time. The Constitution states that the legislature send delegates (electors) to cast the votes in the electoral college. They can say we are going by the count on election night, and send the delegates. Since that is what the Constitution prescribes, I don’t see a legal argument against it. I’d go as far as to say rouge rulings, in four cases, by a single judge, is an argument in favor of disregarding any ballot counted after Election Day.
Thank you for the insight. I had heard this argument before. Someone predicted this would happen in NC. I believe there is a 9th person on the board appointed by the governor who does not require the same experience as the other 8? If so, then I have heard others saying this would happen months ago.
I’m in Michigan, I’m not sure how NC is structured. Mark Levin had a segment on this on last nights show. It was in the first hour, his podcast replay is available on the podcast app. He talks about NC, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Minnesota. The first four have Republican legislatures, Minnesota is split.
We do but how much can we trust them is my question. We have seen many trusted Rs become the enemy. I hope we have good conservatives working for us in all states.
I'm still convinced they stole the Governor's seat in 2016. McCrory was up 2 pts with over 90% reporting. Then, what do you know, they "found" a ton of ballots in the most corrupt county in the state, Durham. That was enough to let Cooper win. Trump had to much of an advantage for them to overcome, so they had to settle for the Governor's seat. This election, they'll be going after Trump with those "found" ballots.
Let us not forget that after 2018 the NC supreme court dissolved the Board of Elections. THis is why we need the new justice, only the supreme court can correct this.
Gov. Roy Cooper, a Democrat, can nominate two new Republican members of the board from a list of names presented by the North Carolina GOP.
"Upon learning of the resignation of the two Republican Board members from the [N.C. State Board of Elections], we began the process of developing a new list of candidates to serve as the Republican representative on the North Carolina State Board of Elections," a spokesperson for the North Carolina GOP told Fox News on Thursday. "We are working to fill the seats as swiftly as possible."
Native Californian here. This is why California is blue. We went from a solid red state with the strongest middle class in the world to what you see today. All because the Republicans refused to fight.
Can confirm. This is exactly what happened! Then people started leaving rather than staying and fighting. At some point people have to start fighting rather than fleeing
Exactly! We can’t keep running to another place because we are seceding a lot of good ground to the left. And if that’s our strategy eventually we will run out of places to run to...
As one who will be fleeing in a few years, there's no chance that we the people can reclaim the state. It has to come from the Republican party, from the organization that has the legal and financial clout to fight the Democrat cheating machine. There's no way those communists could have taken over what was once the most populous red state in the nation if the Republicans had stood their ground. Case in point: the recall effort. The state GOP just decided a day or two ago that maybe they should be helping with it. We've been abandoned, my friend. Time to move on to greener pastures. The upside: the obscene amount of money I'm going to make from a rich pro-communist liberal buying my middle class house will make my retirement in a solid red state very sweet.
In your post, you complained that the GOP had abandoned you. That's why I and others say: YOU must lead. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy. You must organize with friends and neighbors, offline especially. You must pressure your GOP to act and you must primary out your Rinos. You must be proactive, dauntless, and stubborn. You must not throw your hands in the air because the corrupt GOP establishment failed to do. YOU must DO.
What makes you think I haven't? Do you know how old I am? Or how long I've lived in California? Or how politically involved I have or have not been? When I say California is lost without big money and big legal intervention, I'm not make up stuff out of my imagination. With age comes wisdom, and wisdom knows when to walk away.
ya there's only so much one man can do unless you're super rich and super connected; you know fight vs flight
I ran from NJ but they seemed to flip some state assembly seats in the 2019 elections (still mostly D) but it's progress; maybe one day I'll be able to move back there and help fix it up
I'm not trying to insult you, I'm trying to encourage you. I don't think you're stupid, I think you are tired and feel defeated, and I am telling you, every little bit helps even when it feels pointless. Keep fighting, now, now more than ever.
Property owners in red states benefit from people moving in who can afford higher prices. It also means more revenue for the state when new owners pay higher property taxes. Also, if the people moving in are in a higher income bracket, it means they'll purchase even more goods and services from area businesses. It's called boosting the local economy, one of the planks of free market capitalism. If you're a participant in the free market, you benefit; if not, you have nothing to say. You're making the same stupid "gentrification" argument SJWs use against the improvement of inner city ghettos.
Homes are for living in, not for your (((investment))) games. Imagine using "taxes" as an argument for why we should take in degenerates like you. More property taxes? What "conservative" likes paying taxes? Red or blue, you californians are all the same faggot subhumans
We don't care about having a 5 trillion dollar economy as a state. We care about our tight knit culture and environment that faggots like you come and upend because your (((tech jobs))) and fellow liberal citizens usually follow along.
Oooo. Hit a nerve, did I? Tell me, oh unhinged one, how do you know so much about who I am and what I'm about and what my intentions are? Or do you just have a meltdown every time you can't maintain an argument?
I dont care what your intentions are, carpetbagger. You're from the literal 3rd world shithole that is California and no one wants or needs you in red states.
You're a weak willed soyboy who only cares about money and not fighting for your rights so you'll run off at the first sign of trouble. People like you are why California is a shithole, you share as much blame as the Synagogue of Satan funded leftist faggots.
well, look at the reasons why the guy you're responding to is moving: Money.
West coasters and yankee scum chasing money are all the same, red or blue. Native north carolinians and other southerners have just about had enough of this shit.
They're going to be outvoted on any issue that matters. Their presence makes the commission look bipartisian and gives it an air of legitimacy. If they truly can't do anything resigning makes it clear that the dems are responsible for anything that happens.
I was treasurer of a non-profit once, but the leadership would not listen to my warnings that we were absolutely going to be bankrupt within a year. Resigning to put the full focus on them was the only way to force them to take responsibility and balance the budget.
Just kidding - "the plan" was a complacency psy-op, too. A lot of people fell for it. Can't wait to see Q's last post and all the idiots doing Q apologetics like religious zealots for years to come.
It will be viewed the same way either post or pre. At least if it was done pre-election, we'd know it was done for the country's sake and not put off for political reasons. I know it would anger the normies who just watch the news - but they're already angry. Lines were drawn a looooong time ago. No one is an undecided voter anymore.
We have bad -Burr and Tillis. Good - Meadows and Walker
The good had their districts revised and are out of the race.
NY has sent thousands of homeless to live in NC for 1 year all expenses paid. We have Canadian Karen's here and a shit load of bullshit going on at major universities. I trust Meadow's knows how to resolve this long term. He should come back and run for governor.
Corroborating this pedes info- they buy them a greyhound or Amtrak’s or whatever the hell ticket in New England, send them to NC and tell them to tell people they’re veterans. It’s been going on for YEARS, know for a fact as I used to live in the aptly nick named Fayettenam and have met many.
What good is it when these people resign? That is not good. They need to stay and hold their ground. If there is no one to stand up, then the criminals run wild. Same with police. They should not be resigning.
Have you ever resigned in protest? You know you're not actually going to make a difference by doing so. But if you don't want to continue with horrible shit going on that your name is attached to, that's what you have to do.
I've resigned in protest, it forced the leadership to actually fix their problems when they couldn't claim the repercussions of their decisions were "my problem".
While I don’t disagree, a lawsuit accomplishes more.
Now cooper can appoint two new weak GOP people, and the guys who quit get applauded for failing at their job because of their principled departure. Who wins? Dems of course.
I think a lawsuit can still proceed. I'd be in favor.
From what I read, Cooper must appoint from a list that the NC GOP gives him.
Idk. But I'm not gonna fault people when I don't know all the facts. Spineless GOP rarely have the spine to actually quit over wrongdoing so maybe it's pretty bad.
It has been dead for decades and so has the Democrat party. They are all the uniparty - bought out and blackmailed by foreign powers.
Everything they do is calculated to guide the populace to total government control (i.e. serfdom/slavery). INCLUDING making you think someone represents you in D.C. . They make them vote as if they are conservatives but if they honestly and actually thought it could put the vote over the edge of restoring power to the people these Republicans suddenly make up any bullshit excuse to vote with the left. BECAUSE THEY ARE THE LEFT.
Don't be tricked into thinking because they voted "conservative" ™ 99% of the time they are conservative. They only voted like that when it didn't matter. It is like saying a murderer is "overall not a murderer" the 99.99% of their living time they were not in the middle of killing someone.
The puppet masters fancy themselves controllers of the world and didn't like that the last 300 years the people for the first time in THOUSANDS had their own control. They didn't just roll over and give up - they became much more subtle and sophisticated.
Yeah, and that resigning is real helpful. Just give Dems TOTAL control over it now. We really are infiltrated with leftists at every level. We need to start doing the same thing. Fake running as DEMOCRATS in areas where a Repub can't win, just like Sheriff David Clark did all those years in Wisconsin.
It means you refuse to assist with wrongdoing. And you want to draw attention to the wrongdoing.
It's hilarious how the same people who want cops to resign and give up their pensions rather than arrest people for not wearing masks, can't understand why other people might resign in protest.
Not saying you've said that about cops, but I've seen it all over the place.
How about you read the shit you are voting on as an elected politician? Especially you know if all the liberals on the council are voting in favor of it too?
Pedes, we need to be vigilante! Report anything that is amiss to the proper authorities and make sure you keep records of it (ballots, lost mail found, etc.) Also, be proactive on ballot harvesting if (God forbid) allowed in your state. These fucks think they have it easy gathering ballots and throwing some to the trash. Fuck that. Be on the front lines.
Also, Cali pedes, do not, I REPEAT, do not throw away your mail-in ballot. You will need it to vote in-person. Not only as a safeguard against fraud, but from malice from lying poll workers. Trump 2020. WE WILL WIN!
So now it’s just dems on the board? Even better.
WTF?!
In 2020, never attribute to incompetence what can be attributed to malice.
Henceforth known as "Lenin's Razor".
Campaign finance law, voting rules, vote counting rules, among other things, combine to create a situation in which the US political landscape came to be dominated by a two-party monopoly. The increasing costs of digitally-marketed campaigns climbing higher and higher mean that this state of affairs is likely to remain cemented for the foreseeable future.
Excepting, of course, that the upcoming election might shake things up so much that my point becomes moot.
I know where they should turn. I hear mcdonalds and walmart are hiring.
they should just donate all their assets to charity and go work there.
or they could always become monks and nuns and repent of their sins.
lol now all im imagining is a pissed off pelosi flipping burgers and its hilarious
We need to continue coopting the Republican Party. It was always going to take time
We know that the Lion Party is nearly complete.
Yes, the Lion Party. The Republican Party is spineless.
Well Graham and others are proving themselves. Graham will be safe as well as Mitch. They always are. haha.
Republicans for 2020, out of necessity... Lion party only from there
The Trump Party!
Is that what we are really need to do? Will it help anything? I mean, I dont think my vote will matter at all because I live in a red state. Edit: I'm still voting for the greatest president ever, you asshats! Quit down voting me! I voted for him proudly the 1st time & have taken so much shit for it & still am. I've even made phone calls to see where some friends needed to go vote, who havent in 20 years. I was talking about DOUBLE VOTING! Do I NEED to? And is it wrong? And will it make a difference in my Red State?
So many states in the west used to be red states. Take nothing for granted. Just because real live people vote red, doesn’t mean your lack of a vote doesn’t get filled in and taken by some dem operative. Vote like your freedom depends on it.
I am!!!!!!! I voted for Trump the 1st election, Proudly! People have given me so much grief & still are, I lost a friend the other day I had for 30 plus years over President Trump! In fact, I wanted to rip into his inept ass BUT I simply said "you are making a mistake, there is so much we can agree on & you aren't making any effort, I will be here when you're ready to talk, and I have loved you my whole life & that will never change" he told me I needed psychiatric help. I have been supporting Donald Trump since the 1st Republican primary! He & Gov Christie were my favs at first. I wasnt even a fan of Celebrity Apprentice! I dont know why, I just believed he was genuine about what all he was saying & he was ruthless with it too! Anyway, I was asking about double voting... should I do it? Will it help? I mean, if they are all doing it, wouldnt we need to do it as well? I'm just confused on what is appropriate. Sometimes being nice & not playing the game the way others are will make you lose, even if rules are being broken. We HAVE to balance the scales!
Does that mean double vote?
And to think that in the Republican Party's infancy, they had balls enough to elect a President in their first fielding, and take on the entrenched Democrats for Civil War 1.0 and WIN IT.
Today's Republicans are hollowed out, ball-less shadows of what it used to mean to be a Republican.
Having 0 republicans on a board of 3 has the same impact as 2 on a board of 5. Resigning makes a political statement and draws media attention. You would have never read about this if the republicans didn't resign to draw attention to it.
The statement is pointless if corrections or further confrontation is not enacted. We’ve all seen over and over how republicans are willing to show their bellies.
No more attention needs to be drawn. Attention has been drawn to these Banana Republic tactics for years and the culpable media ignores it.
but they claimed to resign after being misled. That suggests that they had a hand in passing the legislation that otherwise wouldn't have passed. It's probably shame.
Maybe this is the election to finally end both parties. The conservative movement has evolved.
I've seen this sentiment for most of my life, I've also seen foreigners balk at the idea and how stupid the American two party system is compared to their much better and faster decline into communism. And now that I live in Canada and have become acquainted with their five flavors of Liberal parties, I now know the opposite to be true:
Anything other than a two party system is a joke and a lie.
Take all the democrat infighting, and make it a tiny bit more public so you can play the field when one "side" is losing popularity, and get more votes for the other liberal party. Then all the parties gang up against anyone who dares voice an actual conservative opinion, and before you know the "Conservative" party is left of Romney.
Everyone likes to think 'if we had more than one party we wouldn't have to deal with this bullshit corruption' but look at every other western nation with more than two parties right now, they are so far down the corruption hole there is no coming back.
A unified republican party was the only thing that held our country together for as long as it did, they couldn't actually break it until they took over the education and media and destroyed the country from the children up. And even that is currently in the process of backfiring. We still have a chance to reform the GOP, every other conservative party in the world is just offering 'democrat light' and cowering under their masks in fear of being called a racist again.
This needs to be said more often. Every other nation with their self righteous several party systems just keep moving further and further left. We at least have some actual opposition to leftist authoritarian progressivism.
Can we have five conservative parties and the liberal party is just Romney?
Not a mistake when it did its intended job.
Remember when Paul Ryan resigned and did not floor any laws when Republicans had control of the House, Senate and Presidency?
I am glad somebody finally swapped that quote around
It's so much more accurate that way when considering people propensity to abuse authority.
Agreed. People use the original quote and Occam's Razor to convince themselves there aren't demon-worshipping child abusers trying to overthrow our government.
The original never made sense, it was just willful misdirection. Applied in real life, it would look like this:
"Sorry, you weren't raped, there was no malice involved, the person was just incompetent at getting permission to have sex with you."
I'd like to say that was sarcasm, but we saw it used a successful legal defense with refugees more than a few times. I would update it to Pede's Law 2020:
Never attribute to incompetence or malice what can be attributed to long term globalist plans.
Hanlon’s razor came about from engineering disasters. It was never meant to be applied generally.
It’s like using Occam’s razor to ‘debunk’ ‘conspiracy theories’. It was meant to assist in solving problems in the hard sciences not for solving every unknown reality in general!
yea. If it were incompetence, they would do the right thing more often. At least they'd try.
That pisses me off when i read hiw dumb and stupid those politicians democrats are. They qre doing things fir very bad reasons, stupidity is not one of them.
Article says governor has to appoint replacements from a list the state GOP gives him.
Never trust what a scumbag Democrat will tell you, they lie. The Democrats are the same people who say systemic racism is a national health crisis on par with COVID. The Republicans were useful idiots, it seems, because they failed to question every single syllable and intonation from the scumbags in a Democrat led state. Trusting the lies of Democrats was their biggest failure. I trust a Democrat to tell me the truth as much as I trust a five year old to tell me why the bowl of cereal was spilled on to the floor.
The GOP is a cancer, run by idiot boomers with zero perspective of what’s happening. They are people that think Paul Ryan is impressive. They will cost Conservatives America as we know it.
roll over and die, great way to fight it....nice job fucking RINO cucks.
North Carolinian here. My governor is a faggot. Who should I contact about this?
Samuel Colt.
If that fails try Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson.
John Moses Browning
They were probably chimo's and got blackmailed.
High likelihood
I think they knew all along and were rinos who are now grandstanding in the air of "we were lied to".
So you're too fucking stupid to understand the ramifications of something you're voting for before you vote for it?
Good fucking riddance.
A lot of GOP guys are really not very politically savvy. They don't really know how the game is played or understand just how shockingly sick the left is. They are still just waking up and rubbing their eyes. I don't mean big-name Repubs like Ryan, but your local reps, state legislators etc are often like this. They need to be pressured and encouraged to fight, and they need to see Rinos get taken down.
Republicans...that's why
Seconded. Fuck these RINOS
Thirded. I’m sick of the Grand Ole Pussies.
When the police/politicians do nothing, the people must rise up.
Letting them steal everything may not be the worst idea. Think about how slow moving everything has been. We could re-baseline America in a matter of weeks if it came down to war.
War is how nations are forged and great ideals installed. We need war or we'll suffer a fate worse than death.
When the police/politicians do nothing, the people must rise up.
Glad I am not the only one that sees it.
We are letting good people have their lives ended/destroyed in Portland and Seattle. Just because 60% of people there voted for Communism doesn't mean the 40% who didn't deserve that fate. I am disgusted by the "they voted for it" argument to excuse pussiness. Oregonian militias need to establish their own courts and arrest portland DAs and the mayor for insurrection/treason. Speedy trial, one week before it begins.
Which is why Trump needs to create a 3rd party at some point, these fucking RINOs are worse than the Dems.
We all need to prepare ourselves for the fact that Democrats aren't just "going to get" but have gotten their vote-by-mail (I've already received my unsolicited mail-in ballots), and Democrats are going to cheat, and Democrats are going to win in November, and Republicans (other than Trump) aren't going to do a goddamn fucking thing about it, just like they didn't do anything when Democrats flagrantly cheated to flip several seats in 2018. The great American experiment in liberty and capitalism will be over. Two-hundred and forty-four years. Not a bad run I suppose...
See that letter by their name?
Being misled is the precursor to being lied to. Both can happen. Them resigning sends a huge holy shit flag up. They probably also know something we don't. Repubs clean house before they go after Dems. Always.
State legislatures send electors according to Article II. Let them count til they’re blue in the face, legislator over rules a radical judge. Send electors for mr. Trump, watch em REEEEEEEEEEEEREE.
Is this possible?
Yes. I think this is why state legislature’s aren’t pushing back against the extended count time. The Constitution states that the legislature send delegates (electors) to cast the votes in the electoral college. They can say we are going by the count on election night, and send the delegates. Since that is what the Constitution prescribes, I don’t see a legal argument against it. I’d go as far as to say rouge rulings, in four cases, by a single judge, is an argument in favor of disregarding any ballot counted after Election Day.
Thank you for the insight. I had heard this argument before. Someone predicted this would happen in NC. I believe there is a 9th person on the board appointed by the governor who does not require the same experience as the other 8? If so, then I have heard others saying this would happen months ago.
I’m in Michigan, I’m not sure how NC is structured. Mark Levin had a segment on this on last nights show. It was in the first hour, his podcast replay is available on the podcast app. He talks about NC, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Minnesota. The first four have Republican legislatures, Minnesota is split.
We do but how much can we trust them is my question. We have seen many trusted Rs become the enemy. I hope we have good conservatives working for us in all states.
MeToo brother. Never leave the fight.
NV has a great org dedicated to a fair election. Has legal resources. Search: Election Integrity Project - Nevada.
As an NV pede, I did not know this. Thank you! I'm going to check them out.
I'm still convinced they stole the Governor's seat in 2016. McCrory was up 2 pts with over 90% reporting. Then, what do you know, they "found" a ton of ballots in the most corrupt county in the state, Durham. That was enough to let Cooper win. Trump had to much of an advantage for them to overcome, so they had to settle for the Governor's seat. This election, they'll be going after Trump with those "found" ballots.
You forgot Wisconsin
against law to harvest in NC - a Republican actually fucked himself over last go-round because of it.
Let us not forget that after 2018 the NC supreme court dissolved the Board of Elections. THis is why we need the new justice, only the supreme court can correct this.
https://www.courthousenews.com/chaos-reigns-in-north-carolina-as-elections-board-dissolves/
They got mad because NC voters overwhelmingly wanted voter ID. We won the vote then they still struck it down.
Just like California's Prop 187 back in the 90's that passed the vote but then was struck down by an activist judge.
But they know better than you.
This would make a great subject for a political ad...
Gov. Roy Cooper, a Democrat, can nominate two new Republican members of the board from a list of names presented by the North Carolina GOP.
"Upon learning of the resignation of the two Republican Board members from the [N.C. State Board of Elections], we began the process of developing a new list of candidates to serve as the Republican representative on the North Carolina State Board of Elections," a spokesperson for the North Carolina GOP told Fox News on Thursday. "We are working to fill the seats as swiftly as possible."
They'll be as republican as Mitt Romney is my guess.
Honestly, there aren't that many RINO's here. It usually goes the other way with blue dog dems. However, times are a changin'
New “republicans “ I’m sure
Native Californian here. This is why California is blue. We went from a solid red state with the strongest middle class in the world to what you see today. All because the Republicans refused to fight.
Can confirm. This is exactly what happened! Then people started leaving rather than staying and fighting. At some point people have to start fighting rather than fleeing
I respect you a lot more than OP. OP is a fucking faggot who is running away.
Stay and fight. There is nowhere on earth you can run to where they wont follow you.
Exactly! We can’t keep running to another place because we are seceding a lot of good ground to the left. And if that’s our strategy eventually we will run out of places to run to...
As one who will be fleeing in a few years, there's no chance that we the people can reclaim the state. It has to come from the Republican party, from the organization that has the legal and financial clout to fight the Democrat cheating machine. There's no way those communists could have taken over what was once the most populous red state in the nation if the Republicans had stood their ground. Case in point: the recall effort. The state GOP just decided a day or two ago that maybe they should be helping with it. We've been abandoned, my friend. Time to move on to greener pastures. The upside: the obscene amount of money I'm going to make from a rich pro-communist liberal buying my middle class house will make my retirement in a solid red state very sweet.
It's not money you need, it's leadership. YOU need to act. YOU need to organize, network, and LEAD.
You need to re-read my post. Especially the part about people having no power. Only the young and/or naive don't know when they're beaten.
In your post, you complained that the GOP had abandoned you. That's why I and others say: YOU must lead. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy. You must organize with friends and neighbors, offline especially. You must pressure your GOP to act and you must primary out your Rinos. You must be proactive, dauntless, and stubborn. You must not throw your hands in the air because the corrupt GOP establishment failed to do. YOU must DO.
What makes you think I haven't? Do you know how old I am? Or how long I've lived in California? Or how politically involved I have or have not been? When I say California is lost without big money and big legal intervention, I'm not make up stuff out of my imagination. With age comes wisdom, and wisdom knows when to walk away.
ya there's only so much one man can do unless you're super rich and super connected; you know fight vs flight
I ran from NJ but they seemed to flip some state assembly seats in the 2019 elections (still mostly D) but it's progress; maybe one day I'll be able to move back there and help fix it up
I'm not trying to insult you, I'm trying to encourage you. I don't think you're stupid, I think you are tired and feel defeated, and I am telling you, every little bit helps even when it feels pointless. Keep fighting, now, now more than ever.
Ah yes, please continue to celebrate pricing out citizens of red states and making property values go up because you are too weak willed to fight.
Property owners in red states benefit from people moving in who can afford higher prices. It also means more revenue for the state when new owners pay higher property taxes. Also, if the people moving in are in a higher income bracket, it means they'll purchase even more goods and services from area businesses. It's called boosting the local economy, one of the planks of free market capitalism. If you're a participant in the free market, you benefit; if not, you have nothing to say. You're making the same stupid "gentrification" argument SJWs use against the improvement of inner city ghettos.
Fuck you, carpetbagger.
Homes are for living in, not for your (((investment))) games. Imagine using "taxes" as an argument for why we should take in degenerates like you. More property taxes? What "conservative" likes paying taxes? Red or blue, you californians are all the same faggot subhumans
We don't care about having a 5 trillion dollar economy as a state. We care about our tight knit culture and environment that faggots like you come and upend because your (((tech jobs))) and fellow liberal citizens usually follow along.
Oooo. Hit a nerve, did I? Tell me, oh unhinged one, how do you know so much about who I am and what I'm about and what my intentions are? Or do you just have a meltdown every time you can't maintain an argument?
Oh. You're a woman. Even worse.
Repeal19
I dont care what your intentions are, carpetbagger. You're from the literal 3rd world shithole that is California and no one wants or needs you in red states.
You're a weak willed soyboy who only cares about money and not fighting for your rights so you'll run off at the first sign of trouble. People like you are why California is a shithole, you share as much blame as the Synagogue of Satan funded leftist faggots.
Literally all Republicans cared about was their bank account
well, look at the reasons why the guy you're responding to is moving: Money.
West coasters and yankee scum chasing money are all the same, red or blue. Native north carolinians and other southerners have just about had enough of this shit.
Literally all Republicans cared about was their bank account
Resigning to their fate... why are Republicans are SUCH losers?!
They put people like John McCain, Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush on pedestals. They've learned from the best at being losers.
I don't blame them.
They're going to be outvoted on any issue that matters. Their presence makes the commission look bipartisian and gives it an air of legitimacy. If they truly can't do anything resigning makes it clear that the dems are responsible for anything that happens.
I was treasurer of a non-profit once, but the leadership would not listen to my warnings that we were absolutely going to be bankrupt within a year. Resigning to put the full focus on them was the only way to force them to take responsibility and balance the budget.
if they vote R I don't mind them moving to swing states
Our Republic is being stolen right before our eyes.
Well played, Democrats.
"Don't worry, Trump has a plan!"
Just kidding - "the plan" was a complacency psy-op, too. A lot of people fell for it. Can't wait to see Q's last post and all the idiots doing Q apologetics like religious zealots for years to come.
Do you really think a solid Trump win won't make democrats take to the streets even more-so than they have been the past 5 months?
Gonna' be a lot of stained Northface coats in the streets this winter, bois.
I don't think insurrection act is in the cards. Trump could have done it fifty times over by now and never has even said the words.
It will be viewed the same way either post or pre. At least if it was done pre-election, we'd know it was done for the country's sake and not put off for political reasons. I know it would anger the normies who just watch the news - but they're already angry. Lines were drawn a looooong time ago. No one is an undecided voter anymore.
"Gov. Roy Cooper, a Democrat, can nominate their replacements"
Good little RINO's. You played your part and just fucked us over. Un-fucking-believable.
Soros has been active here for over a year. He has spent big and Rs have ignored it. This is going to be a shit storm.
I'm not so sure that is isn't that they have ignored it, it's that they got paid to ignore it.
I feel like he has power not just money. He is like the mob boss for the cabal.
French Republicans.
They sound stupid. They'll get replaced by two other GOPers. What a shitshow.
So they knew about it and probably helped to fascilitate it and now it's their time to get out of the way. How convenient..
Yes.
Typical Republicans - way too trusting of dems and then just surrender when things go sideways
They were plants paid for by the DNC.
TRAITORS IN OUR RANKS!
We have bad -Burr and Tillis. Good - Meadows and Walker
The good had their districts revised and are out of the race.
NY has sent thousands of homeless to live in NC for 1 year all expenses paid. We have Canadian Karen's here and a shit load of bullshit going on at major universities. I trust Meadow's knows how to resolve this long term. He should come back and run for governor.
Corroborating this pedes info- they buy them a greyhound or Amtrak’s or whatever the hell ticket in New England, send them to NC and tell them to tell people they’re veterans. It’s been going on for YEARS, know for a fact as I used to live in the aptly nick named Fayettenam and have met many.
What good is it when these people resign? That is not good. They need to stay and hold their ground. If there is no one to stand up, then the criminals run wild. Same with police. They should not be resigning.
It does bring attention to the problem.
Have you ever resigned in protest? You know you're not actually going to make a difference by doing so. But if you don't want to continue with horrible shit going on that your name is attached to, that's what you have to do.
I've resigned in protest, it forced the leadership to actually fix their problems when they couldn't claim the repercussions of their decisions were "my problem".
Bravo. That's really good to hear. I am facing some tough decisions at my organization in the fairly near future.
The CCCP checks must've cleared. If you doubt it, I doubt you're paying attention.
Blantant steal.
Other than Trump, seems like Republicans don't want to be in office.
They dont have the drive to fight. They just roll over.
their dying wish was that they be replaced by the next governor.
They are being replaced by the governor, from a list of Republican candidates.
The thing is...this election is on the way of being stolen...really!
If you were misled, file a lawsuit!!!
The only hope of correcting this is through the courts.
Resigning accomplishes noting. Show that they lied, in court.
It does accomplish something. It brings attention to the problem, and it means that the person resigning no longer has to participate in wrongdoing.
While I don’t disagree, a lawsuit accomplishes more.
Now cooper can appoint two new weak GOP people, and the guys who quit get applauded for failing at their job because of their principled departure. Who wins? Dems of course.
I think a lawsuit can still proceed. I'd be in favor.
From what I read, Cooper must appoint from a list that the NC GOP gives him.
Idk. But I'm not gonna fault people when I don't know all the facts. Spineless GOP rarely have the spine to actually quit over wrongdoing so maybe it's pretty bad.
Can't we sue as well?
uni party
IMPORTANT: THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS DEAD.
It has been dead for decades and so has the Democrat party. They are all the uniparty - bought out and blackmailed by foreign powers.
Everything they do is calculated to guide the populace to total government control (i.e. serfdom/slavery). INCLUDING making you think someone represents you in D.C. . They make them vote as if they are conservatives but if they honestly and actually thought it could put the vote over the edge of restoring power to the people these Republicans suddenly make up any bullshit excuse to vote with the left. BECAUSE THEY ARE THE LEFT.
Don't be tricked into thinking because they voted "conservative" ™ 99% of the time they are conservative. They only voted like that when it didn't matter. It is like saying a murderer is "overall not a murderer" the 99.99% of their living time they were not in the middle of killing someone.
The puppet masters fancy themselves controllers of the world and didn't like that the last 300 years the people for the first time in THOUSANDS had their own control. They didn't just roll over and give up - they became much more subtle and sophisticated.
Those two appear to be in a state of continuous Fail, from start to finish.
Why the fuck would they resign?
I would check both of there bank accounts to see if there was a recent very large deposit made....
This. This. 1000x's this.
Spineless.
Have a second election without mail in ballots after this one screws up.
Yeah, and that resigning is real helpful. Just give Dems TOTAL control over it now. We really are infiltrated with leftists at every level. We need to start doing the same thing. Fake running as DEMOCRATS in areas where a Repub can't win, just like Sheriff David Clark did all those years in Wisconsin.
People, read the article....they're being replaced by Republicans.
Why the fuck would you resign? ??????? To give it away???????
Do you know what resigning in protest means?
It means you refuse to assist with wrongdoing. And you want to draw attention to the wrongdoing.
It's hilarious how the same people who want cops to resign and give up their pensions rather than arrest people for not wearing masks, can't understand why other people might resign in protest.
Not saying you've said that about cops, but I've seen it all over the place.
Oh I know what it is. I still feel like, in this climate, it would have been more useful not to.
"I refuse to assist with the wrongdoing.... that I just voted for.... but I totally refuse from now on"
Their claim is that they were provided with false or incomplete information prior to voting.
Surely we can all relate to being lied to.
So if you were totally lied to, and then you voted based on what you were told, it's your fault you were lied to?
How about you read the shit you are voting on as an elected politician? Especially you know if all the liberals on the council are voting in favor of it too?
Per the article, they were given false or incomplete information prior to voting. Were they supposed to just intuit what the reality was?
WTF? Who's going to watch these assholes now?
Trump Always said, quitting is for LOSERS!
If you really cared, youd stay in your position and fight the bullshit. fucking rinos
The GOP is controlled opposition and I hate that I have to vote for any republican except for Trump.
Whoopsie, allow for socialists to take over and then resign ... worse excuse than pelosi. These rhinos should be hung.
Remove Republicans. Form the Lion Party. We do not need these old breed fucking losers anymore. They failed us.
Didn't even file an ethics complaint? Lawsuit and challege?
Hello?
Because the only people found guilty of voter fraud in NC last cycle were republicans. That's why.
Pedes, we need to be vigilante! Report anything that is amiss to the proper authorities and make sure you keep records of it (ballots, lost mail found, etc.) Also, be proactive on ballot harvesting if (God forbid) allowed in your state. These fucks think they have it easy gathering ballots and throwing some to the trash. Fuck that. Be on the front lines.
Also, Cali pedes, do not, I REPEAT, do not throw away your mail-in ballot. You will need it to vote in-person. Not only as a safeguard against fraud, but from malice from lying poll workers. Trump 2020. WE WILL WIN!