I’m a nurse and there was a COVID exposure on my floor, so naturally the place went up in flames. I’ve already had it in March so I wasn’t worried since I’m a human being who creates an immune response following an infection as it has worked for the past millions of years for our species. My boss, who’s actually very based, did her manager job and said I should get tested and I told her no since often if you’ve had it you return a false positive (as has happened with several patients) and I have no symptoms. Plus there’s a universal mask policy in place anyway. She said that’s fine and that was that.
And then I get a call from the hospital to get tested and I tell the lady I had it in March. She says there’s “no proof” I have immunity and I tell her basic immunology says I do and I’m not getting tested, I have zero symptom, I dont know why we have these hysterical policies and Im not risking returning a false positive and being treated like a leper for two weeks. She said ok well I cant force you I said correct. And that was it. So we’ll see what happens next but most likely nothing will. Just like 99% of cases 🙃
As of the time of this posting, there had been 31,944,038 cases of Covid in 188 countries. There isn't a single verified case of a patient with Covid that has fully recovered, tested negative and then become sick (symptomatic) again.
NOT ONE.
There have been plenty of cases where people that didn't fully recover became sick again. There have been cases where people who fully recovered tested positive later on, but didn't show symptoms.
The last such of "reinfection" (which turned out to be testing positive without symptoms) was in late August of this year.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200824/study-confirms-its-possible-to-catch-covid-twice
the CDC had this to say (Last updated on Sep 10, 2020 ):
"There are no confirmed reports to date of a person being reinfected with COVID-19 within 3 months of initial infection.
https://archive.is/RBrMe
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/end-home-isolation.html#:~:text=There%20are%20no%20confirmed%20reports,additional%20research%20is%20ongoing.
Tell your company to look at the CDC's information and guidance on this. Currently - unless someone is symptomatic, the CDC does not recommend retesting them.
The issue repeatedly coming up is that everyone wants concrete proof about how long the immunity lasts and they won’t settle for any research that simply “suggests”. Which is a problem itself because science doesn’t “prove” anything, it provides evidence to strongly support a claim.
So while there is no evidence of reinfection within 3 months, and existing research about memory b cells and long lasting immunity after a virus strongly suggests reinfection cant happen still after 3 months, its not good enough to convince the doomers who unfortunately run the show.
If you are union, contact your union representative and have them explain to management that they will file a grievance unless the facility is willing to pay you for your lost wages (including any overtime accruals) and not have the time come out of your sick time - should you test positive and be asymptomatic. Have the representative explain that this grievance will be filed with the Joint Commission as well, since neither the CDC or Joint Commission have established anything supporting removing health care workers from the available pool. The trend has been in the opposite direction, in fact - trying to get health care workers back to work sooner. Your state department of health may have guidance on this. When the company considers they may have to pay you for not being available for work is when they suddenly discover they don't really need to test you.
Possible "Exposure" alone hasn't been reason to do mandatory Covid tests on health care workers since around April. The hospitals called out for these changes because they were paying out a fortune to travelers to cover all the missing staff. Good luck on all this - there's a lot of hot dogging going on with Covid - both low level managers and higher level executives doing whatever they think is best, and not following official guidance.
Ah, but what about the 31,944,039th?
Checkmate Drumpf!
No need to test unless you are actually feeling sick
Please keep track of the false positives somehow! Thank you for being a based nurse
Yeah they have get those Wuhan Virus numbers up.
I'm not in med, so not sure what this is..
But something I heard on the radio on the way back from the Gym is that some test sites were 'magnifying' or 'concentrating' samples on such an unheard of scale, beyond standard practice, that where normally a test would return negative, they're exponentially upping something with the samples to find fragments of the virus to return a positive.
They were saying, the person could have had it previously and recovered, could be a symptomatic, or immune.. and doing this was just creating a lot of false positives.
The test is run by PCR, polymerase chain reaction, which is a process that multiplies a DNA/RNA sample to the millions to have a visible/detectable size. It’s very a standard way to study DNA. What you heard at the gym sounds like a misunderstood explanation of the test. If there is no viral RNA present in the sample then there’s nothing to multiply.
According my own hospital’s infectious disease department, it is possible to have “viral remnants” left over long after an infection has been cleared. So this is why people who already were sick can test positive repeatedly after recovering because while the virus is neutralized or fragmented and cannot make you sick anymore, it’s physically still there.
Yea that sounds about right. Again, I don't fully remember the details, but the gist is there's supposed to be some standard amplification of the sample, 16-30x or so, I think it was something in that range?
But some labs were apparently doing 40-60x or so.
Supposedly, by multiplying those remnants by so much, it's showing results that are worse than reality.
New York Times had an article about that. 90% of positives should have been negatives.
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