"Sir, is everything alright ? Would you like a can of Pepsi to help with that attitude ? Hey, wait ... NO! Ouch, what the fu- ... argh! Stop hitting me, please. STOP! HELP, HE'S FUCKING RAPING ME! Call the Poli- ohhh, lol, I almost forgot. Guess this is my life now. just let me know when you're finished"
Watch this video showing a guy with a knife taking out an astonishing number of cops just by being fast and good at killing people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNsHynXHynU
Watch what (somtimes) happens when cops are patient and give a noncompliant suspect plenty of time to be reasonable. Sometimes the noncompliance is an act, and the suspect is waiting to spring a surprise attack. https://youtu.be/LXaaXaEii_Y?t=970
Next, consider that this guy was holding a knife, was within dangerous killing range, showed body language of rushing the cops, and explicitly said he was going to kill one of the cops.
Next, imagine standing on the doorstep of the widow of the cop if the knifeman had killed him, and imagine explaining to her how you valued the perp's life over her husband's life, and recommended that he hold his fire and not shoot despite the imminent deadly threat against his life.
The cop was entitled to shoot. It's sad, perhaps it could have been avoided, but that would also entail assumptions and the cop being lucky despite a very real threat against his life.
Guns are not magic against knives. We need to stop second guessing police when they are clearly in the right.
The 21 foot rule isn't really true. It basically discounts the fact that even if you get a shot off and on target the person charging isn't likely to drop in their tracks. Additionally, it assumes that the person with the knife just has to tag you once (looking at you Mythbusters). The truth is, it's going to be a bad situation and there's no clear cut "oh x distance is safe". I've had multiple instructors (including a police instructor) debunk the 21 foot "rule".
For sure. I mean there was that video of a cop a couple weeks ago who chased a perp who had a knife and I think a screwdriver, didn't shoot until he was basically right on top of her.
There's a video recently posted but I don't think I saved it. Even already drawn and on target, 10 ft is touch and go on who gets there first, knife or bullet.
And even if you do hit them, pistols are notoriously bad at 1 shot stops. There's a very good chance you get stabbed several times if they're within 10 feet when you go to fire.
I know WHEN they shot, I watched the whole thing. They were coaxing him, convinced him to open the door, then bang bang. I didn’t see him rush them, though I might have missed it.
Alright then here’s why the shot him. Originally they tried negotiating with him but, that failed. At 6:15 he slightly lunges at the cops but, doesn’t go for it. At 6:17 the suspect says “I’m going to stab him.” So then the cops shoot him, they gave him every chance to put the knife down, he tried lunging at the cops, and he said he was going to kill the cops.
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Yup. That was the wrong answer. And this is the tough thing. It didn't look like he was moving toward them at that exact moment when he said he'd stab that officer, but had demonstrated his unwillingness to cooperate and had already lunged towards them. Are you gonna take that chance when that guy could close the distance and put a knife in you in a split second before you or your partners could respond? All he had to do was fucking drop it. It's so obvious those cops were not looking to kill this guy.
Telling someone you're going to stab them when you're in stabbing distance is fixing to get shot.
I do believe more de-escalation could have been done. But I also can't call this unjustified. The guy had ample warning and even faked a charge (at which point I probably would have shot, admittedly)
They were doing great keeping calm, keeping an even tone of voice and even trying to laugh along with the guy about the situation. If I were watching that without already knowing the outcome, I'd think that it's about to end peacefully. The criminal mind is a completely irrational one and it's sad to see humans ruin or end their lives so needlessly. But yeah, if someone has a knife on me within 6 feet and threatens to stab me, I'm gonna fire.
Voter Frauded Blue Cities and States have another problem to deal with now.
Time for Soros Sponsored District Attorneys to put their cell phones on Airplane mode until after the riots.
Paid Mercenaries trained by Deep State.
District Attorneys and Mercenaries = Same thing= Paid by Soros=International Demonic Pedophile Banker Families
China = proxy arm of International Demonic Pedophile Banker Families
What an idiot! You fucking lift your knife up and say you going to stab him. That's just suicide by police, poor officers will have to deal with that the rest of their lives.
I have put on my "My Mighty Karnak" hat and am getting a premonition...there will be regularly scheduled events of black men being killed by white men until after the election.
Nothing proves a political party's point better then by staging "crafted scenarios" to scare the voters.
Although I don't think this shooting was illegal, I don't think it was necessary at this point. Would've been a much easier sell If he did it when the criminal lunged. If he was alone in the room, they should've created a little distance an sent in a dog. Easy for us to Monday morning quarterback, but I think MANY of us will come to the conclusion that the cop jumped the gun.
Once he stepped forward with the knife saying I'm gonna stab that motherfucker it was justified. A knife is a deadly weapon and it is in close quarters after he they tried to get him out for who knows how long. Had he complied or been unarmed he wouldn't have been shot.
How long can you expect to wait him out? how many people and equipment can you use on one guy with a knife? I've been at standoffs like these not with shields because fuck us lol. They may have already been there an hour or longer. They didn't roll up to this call with the shields I guarantee it. They didn't shoot untill he not only threatened but lunged the lunng is key. You can Monday morning qb like everyone else but if you have never been in a situation like this you have no idea how fast they can go side ways.
You think they should wait till he stabs them? A k9? I mean the only actual course is swat but who knows if they were available (probably not) I've literally been told no for calling for swat for a barricaded person because they weren't available. There are way too many factors to take into account that you and I don't know because we got a 7 min video.
Dude, chill out. All I'm saying is this is should be a learning experience for all. And not just about the shooting. Why were you that close to the door? After the first lunge, why not step back? Why not shoot when he first lunged? Even though it's a legal kill, is it worth the bullshit that is going to follow? Is there a way this could've been handled that didn't cause it to go viral. I'm not saying the LEO should be punished. I'm not even saying he did anything wrong. I'm saying there's a possibility it could've been handled better. There's always room for improvement.
I think you are somehow reading me asking questions as me being hostile. They are legit questions. It will be used as training footage in academies across the country I can guarantee it. We use footage from other countries every body cam you've seen this year will be broken down and analyzed frame by frame for years to come.
To your point about is it worth it with all the backlash it will cause literally every shooting no matter how justified has riots follow so it is a moot point
I'll give you that. It wouldn't matter how it went down, those officers will get crucified. All the more reason to handleb it differently. Would you were agree they never should've gotten that close to begin with? Also, just because there will be outcry from half the populace, that doesn't mean you stop trying to do everything right. My family has a LOT of LEOs. I back police more than most on the, guaranteed. But I also try to call balls and strikes. In this case, I think it could've been handled differently, possibly better. This is VASTLY different than the Breonna case.
Let me put it this way. I live in Mississippi, which has the castle doctrine. If anyone steps into my house where my wife and kid are, I'm going to shoot and make sure I'm the only one left to tell what happened. If I see a 15 year old in my driveway stealing a stereo, I'm not going out there to kill him. Can I legally? Sure. Is it the wisest move? Absolutely not.
I honestly think the only way that goes without anyone getting shot or stabbed is if swat handles it. Anything else was ending with at least one casualty. Some people seem unreasonable that just want to be heard and vent and eventually comply. Some people cannot be reasoned with and are mentally unwell. Thanks to blm, lebron, et al we will see way more people fight back not comply and so on.
No. If someone with stabbing distance says "I'm going to stab you", you shoot. Even after taking several bullets, someone that close can EASILY cross that distance and stab you multiple times. Guns are great tools, but when you're that close knives are deadly as hell.
Your entitled to your opinion but it is objectively not correct. You and I won't agree but I commented to the other guy why it is justified. Any other year and no one would even question this as a clean shot. We literally have people rioting over every justified shoot. Literally 0 of the blm "saints" were unjustified
Indeed. From that range if someone decides to charge you with a knife you are unlikely to be able to put them down before they have stabbed you multiple times. Cops made the right call to shoot when they did. They didn't shoot him when the door was mostly closed, only after he directly threatened them and cleared his path to charge. Perp had the capability and intent to kill the officers, so they put him down.
You are right also if he is on something or not changes it drastically. if he was on pcp someone would have died for sure they are damn near superhuman. If you can find videos of people pcped up watch a few it is insane
If he had shot him when he lunged I wouldn’t question this, but he waited until after that? Just a little weird. I’m saying all this with the benefit of hindsight.
Of course, we don’t know what led up to this interaction, what he was being accused of or what was going through the officer’s mind. If he’s got a hostage or some shit that’s a whole different story.
But the officer had valid reasons to fire on him. The dude was opening and closing the door and pop out with a knife saying he’s going to kill people. Wouldn’t be crazy to assume he might pop back out with a gun next time.
Alright then here’s why the shot him. Originally they tried negotiating with him but, that failed. At 6:15 he slightly lunges at the cops but, doesn’t go for it. At 6:17 the suspect says “I’m going to stab him.” So then the cops shoot him, they gave him every chance to put the knife down, he tried lunging at the cops, and he said he was going to kill the cops.
Yes, there was credible threat, but he didn't go for it.
The cop couldn't handle the pressure, and shot out of panic.
This is not an unlawful killing, but the situation could definitely be hadled better, without killing the stupid man.
I mean, no matter how much training you receive, a crazed man with a knife saying he will kill you after a long stand off, is a pretty credible threat. In real life, humans are not superman. Also google knife wounds. they are not hangnails. Knife wounds are fucking vicious.
The situation was exacerbated by the inability to follow the rules of 21 due to the tight quarters. He already demonstrated intent with the false start, then he articulated the threat. Seems justified, but certainly unconventional.
This man was suicidal clearly.. A hostage negotiator is needed for this kind of situation imo. The guy is holding himself hostage basically. Barking orders isn't going to work here.
Police should just make sure he doesn't harm anyone else in the meantime, but not go out of their way to engage.
Could have wanted suicide by cop possibly. That used to just be for crazy people but blm has made it quite lucrative these past 4 months floyd and taylors family got well over 10mil a piece
Of course comments are disabled...
"Sir, is everything alright ? Would you like a can of Pepsi to help with that attitude ? Hey, wait ... NO! Ouch, what the fu- ... argh! Stop hitting me, please. STOP! HELP, HE'S FUCKING RAPING ME! Call the Poli- ohhh, lol, I almost forgot. Guess this is my life now. just let me know when you're finished"
There are some pedes on this thread who have good intentions and warm hearts, however are misguided. No offense, but educate yourselves, people.
Watch this video and learn about how "safe" you are with a gun if a guy rushes you with a knife: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js0haocH4-o
Watch this video showing a guy with a knife taking out an astonishing number of cops just by being fast and good at killing people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNsHynXHynU
Watch what (somtimes) happens when cops are patient and give a noncompliant suspect plenty of time to be reasonable. Sometimes the noncompliance is an act, and the suspect is waiting to spring a surprise attack. https://youtu.be/LXaaXaEii_Y?t=970
Next, consider that this guy was holding a knife, was within dangerous killing range, showed body language of rushing the cops, and explicitly said he was going to kill one of the cops.
Next, imagine standing on the doorstep of the widow of the cop if the knifeman had killed him, and imagine explaining to her how you valued the perp's life over her husband's life, and recommended that he hold his fire and not shoot despite the imminent deadly threat against his life.
The cop was entitled to shoot. It's sad, perhaps it could have been avoided, but that would also entail assumptions and the cop being lucky despite a very real threat against his life.
Guns are not magic against knives. We need to stop second guessing police when they are clearly in the right.
The 21 foot rule isn't really true. It basically discounts the fact that even if you get a shot off and on target the person charging isn't likely to drop in their tracks. Additionally, it assumes that the person with the knife just has to tag you once (looking at you Mythbusters). The truth is, it's going to be a bad situation and there's no clear cut "oh x distance is safe". I've had multiple instructors (including a police instructor) debunk the 21 foot "rule".
For sure. I mean there was that video of a cop a couple weeks ago who chased a perp who had a knife and I think a screwdriver, didn't shoot until he was basically right on top of her.
There's a video recently posted but I don't think I saved it. Even already drawn and on target, 10 ft is touch and go on who gets there first, knife or bullet.
And even if you do hit them, pistols are notoriously bad at 1 shot stops. There's a very good chance you get stabbed several times if they're within 10 feet when you go to fire.
Concur.
I remember an old joke from a Punch magazine in the 80's, about some IRA Tangos killed.
Q: "Why did you shoot him 16 times?"
A: "I ran out of bullets"
To the top with this comment.
Parents, teach your kids to respect officers and comply. It’s literally that easy.
Jon Bernthal as The Punisher gave a great explanation of how effective a knife is at close range, as well as a great parenting lesson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0oTL0h2VpA
Why did they end up shooting? I didn’t see what happened.
At 6:18 they shoot him.
I know WHEN they shot, I watched the whole thing. They were coaxing him, convinced him to open the door, then bang bang. I didn’t see him rush them, though I might have missed it.
Alright then here’s why the shot him. Originally they tried negotiating with him but, that failed. At 6:15 he slightly lunges at the cops but, doesn’t go for it. At 6:17 the suspect says “I’m going to stab him.” So then the cops shoot him, they gave him every chance to put the knife down, he tried lunging at the cops, and he said he was going to kill the cops.
Ah, thank you. I was watching in bed and my wife was sleeping so I had volume way down. That must be why I missed it.
Are you me?
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It was when dipshit said he was gonna stab them.
Yup. That was the wrong answer. And this is the tough thing. It didn't look like he was moving toward them at that exact moment when he said he'd stab that officer, but had demonstrated his unwillingness to cooperate and had already lunged towards them. Are you gonna take that chance when that guy could close the distance and put a knife in you in a split second before you or your partners could respond? All he had to do was fucking drop it. It's so obvious those cops were not looking to kill this guy.
Telling someone you're going to stab them when you're in stabbing distance is fixing to get shot.
I do believe more de-escalation could have been done. But I also can't call this unjustified. The guy had ample warning and even faked a charge (at which point I probably would have shot, admittedly)
They were doing great keeping calm, keeping an even tone of voice and even trying to laugh along with the guy about the situation. If I were watching that without already knowing the outcome, I'd think that it's about to end peacefully. The criminal mind is a completely irrational one and it's sad to see humans ruin or end their lives so needlessly. But yeah, if someone has a knife on me within 6 feet and threatens to stab me, I'm gonna fire.
villains always announce their plans lol. super dumb
Lunging and 'im gonna stab that one'
Guy thought it was a game..
if you watched the whole thing then you saw him point the knife at the cops and say i'm gonna stab him " with a knife
If you read my follow-up comment, then you saw me say that my volume was low and it was possible I missed something.
"If I have to say drop the knife one more time I am going to shoot somebody."
Voter Frauded Blue Cities and States have another problem to deal with now. Time for Soros Sponsored District Attorneys to put their cell phones on Airplane mode until after the riots.
Paid Mercenaries trained by Deep State. District Attorneys and Mercenaries = Same thing= Paid by Soros=International Demonic Pedophile Banker Families
China = proxy arm of International Demonic Pedophile Banker Families
But if they put their phones on airplane mode how are they going to prosecute white people defending themselves from the mob????
It's becoming like a lottery drawing.
"Which city is going to burn down next? The next one, may be yours!"
Was there a woman in the room with him?
Did the moron die?
Edit: I'll answer my own question. Yes he did.
What an idiot! You fucking lift your knife up and say you going to stab him. That's just suicide by police, poor officers will have to deal with that the rest of their lives.
I have put on my "My Mighty Karnak" hat and am getting a premonition...there will be regularly scheduled events of black men being killed by white men until after the election.
Nothing proves a political party's point better then by staging "crafted scenarios" to scare the voters.
Take your racist shit and delete this. Wtf man. You aint doing t_d any good with this kinda talk.
Sorry, I do normally agree rap music is very highly racist
Although I don't think this shooting was illegal, I don't think it was necessary at this point. Would've been a much easier sell If he did it when the criminal lunged. If he was alone in the room, they should've created a little distance an sent in a dog. Easy for us to Monday morning quarterback, but I think MANY of us will come to the conclusion that the cop jumped the gun.
Once he stepped forward with the knife saying I'm gonna stab that motherfucker it was justified. A knife is a deadly weapon and it is in close quarters after he they tried to get him out for who knows how long. Had he complied or been unarmed he wouldn't have been shot.
I think it's a legal shooting. However, I think it was handled poorly. Both can be true.
They would analyze the video, talk about what couldn't been done instead, and turn it into a training scenario.
How long can you expect to wait him out? how many people and equipment can you use on one guy with a knife? I've been at standoffs like these not with shields because fuck us lol. They may have already been there an hour or longer. They didn't roll up to this call with the shields I guarantee it. They didn't shoot untill he not only threatened but lunged the lunng is key. You can Monday morning qb like everyone else but if you have never been in a situation like this you have no idea how fast they can go side ways.
You think they should wait till he stabs them? A k9? I mean the only actual course is swat but who knows if they were available (probably not) I've literally been told no for calling for swat for a barricaded person because they weren't available. There are way too many factors to take into account that you and I don't know because we got a 7 min video.
Dude, chill out. All I'm saying is this is should be a learning experience for all. And not just about the shooting. Why were you that close to the door? After the first lunge, why not step back? Why not shoot when he first lunged? Even though it's a legal kill, is it worth the bullshit that is going to follow? Is there a way this could've been handled that didn't cause it to go viral. I'm not saying the LEO should be punished. I'm not even saying he did anything wrong. I'm saying there's a possibility it could've been handled better. There's always room for improvement.
I think you are somehow reading me asking questions as me being hostile. They are legit questions. It will be used as training footage in academies across the country I can guarantee it. We use footage from other countries every body cam you've seen this year will be broken down and analyzed frame by frame for years to come.
To your point about is it worth it with all the backlash it will cause literally every shooting no matter how justified has riots follow so it is a moot point
I'll give you that. It wouldn't matter how it went down, those officers will get crucified. All the more reason to handleb it differently. Would you were agree they never should've gotten that close to begin with? Also, just because there will be outcry from half the populace, that doesn't mean you stop trying to do everything right. My family has a LOT of LEOs. I back police more than most on the, guaranteed. But I also try to call balls and strikes. In this case, I think it could've been handled differently, possibly better. This is VASTLY different than the Breonna case.
Let me put it this way. I live in Mississippi, which has the castle doctrine. If anyone steps into my house where my wife and kid are, I'm going to shoot and make sure I'm the only one left to tell what happened. If I see a 15 year old in my driveway stealing a stereo, I'm not going out there to kill him. Can I legally? Sure. Is it the wisest move? Absolutely not.
I honestly think the only way that goes without anyone getting shot or stabbed is if swat handles it. Anything else was ending with at least one casualty. Some people seem unreasonable that just want to be heard and vent and eventually comply. Some people cannot be reasoned with and are mentally unwell. Thanks to blm, lebron, et al we will see way more people fight back not comply and so on.
Yeah but why not just do it? Was legal and no loss
No. If someone with stabbing distance says "I'm going to stab you", you shoot. Even after taking several bullets, someone that close can EASILY cross that distance and stab you multiple times. Guns are great tools, but when you're that close knives are deadly as hell.
I agree with you that he NEVER should have been that close
Yeah. Unfortunately I don’t think he needed to fire his weapon.
Your entitled to your opinion but it is objectively not correct. You and I won't agree but I commented to the other guy why it is justified. Any other year and no one would even question this as a clean shot. We literally have people rioting over every justified shoot. Literally 0 of the blm "saints" were unjustified
Indeed. From that range if someone decides to charge you with a knife you are unlikely to be able to put them down before they have stabbed you multiple times. Cops made the right call to shoot when they did. They didn't shoot him when the door was mostly closed, only after he directly threatened them and cleared his path to charge. Perp had the capability and intent to kill the officers, so they put him down.
You are right also if he is on something or not changes it drastically. if he was on pcp someone would have died for sure they are damn near superhuman. If you can find videos of people pcped up watch a few it is insane
If he had shot him when he lunged I wouldn’t question this, but he waited until after that? Just a little weird. I’m saying all this with the benefit of hindsight.
Of course, we don’t know what led up to this interaction, what he was being accused of or what was going through the officer’s mind. If he’s got a hostage or some shit that’s a whole different story.
But the officer had valid reasons to fire on him. The dude was opening and closing the door and pop out with a knife saying he’s going to kill people. Wouldn’t be crazy to assume he might pop back out with a gun next time.
So you have changed your mind? It sounds like did a bit.
I’m in agreement
Could have tried tazing the gun out of his hand too. Sheesh, cops these days...
Are you trolling?
You're the one named Nancy.
I don't understand why they shot him.
Brandishing a knife and gesturing with it, saying, “I’m going to stab him.”
Yeah wtf is with these comments. So many people defending the guy with a knife while he was threatening to stab someone.
Wait till he lunges? Dumb fucks, that would be a potentially deadly mistake if they hesitated.
Too many pussy cucks in this thread.
These Monday morning quarterbacks have never had raining on how quickly a cop can get dead with a man and a knife.
They want cops shot and stabbed before firing obviously. I gotta chalk it up to how popular this site has gotten and trolls
Alright then here’s why the shot him. Originally they tried negotiating with him but, that failed. At 6:15 he slightly lunges at the cops but, doesn’t go for it. At 6:17 the suspect says “I’m going to stab him.” So then the cops shoot him, they gave him every chance to put the knife down, he tried lunging at the cops, and he said he was going to kill the cops.
Yes, there was credible threat, but he didn't go for it. The cop couldn't handle the pressure, and shot out of panic. This is not an unlawful killing, but the situation could definitely be hadled better, without killing the stupid man.
Sorry but if you're armed and don't follow orders to disarm, and pose an active threat to the police, you're most likely going to get shot.
This makes sense.
"Come on, man ! You couldn't wait until the knife was at least six inches deep into your neck before asking permission to shoot ? You know the thing."
I mean, no matter how much training you receive, a crazed man with a knife saying he will kill you after a long stand off, is a pretty credible threat. In real life, humans are not superman. Also google knife wounds. they are not hangnails. Knife wounds are fucking vicious.
The situation was exacerbated by the inability to follow the rules of 21 due to the tight quarters. He already demonstrated intent with the false start, then he articulated the threat. Seems justified, but certainly unconventional.
This man was suicidal clearly.. A hostage negotiator is needed for this kind of situation imo. The guy is holding himself hostage basically. Barking orders isn't going to work here.
Police should just make sure he doesn't harm anyone else in the meantime, but not go out of their way to engage.
“I’m going to stab him.” Isn’t suicidal. asshole even went and put on his CONVIRUS mask, further showing “imagined” regard for his safety.
Could have wanted suicide by cop possibly. That used to just be for crazy people but blm has made it quite lucrative these past 4 months floyd and taylors family got well over 10mil a piece
Lol suicidal but wearing his social comfort mask alone indoors