If Trump was a facist he would have taken broad federal power during first the pandemic and second the riots, yet I still have a buddy thinking that Trump is placing "building blocks" to take supreme power if he is elected a 2nd term.
Yep. Right is the "Freedom" side, extremes bring in Extreme Libertarianism which can be equated to Anarchy. Left is the "Order" side, extremes being Fascism, Dictatorship, Genocide, etc. A little order to ensure that the Freedom doesn't get SO free that the guys who want to destroy Freedom are free to Destroy it, that's a good thing. But so much Order that Freedom is Destroyed is always the tendency of Order.
Which is why even the Constitution itself says that there will inevitably come a time when Applied Chaos must be used to secure water for the Tree of Liberty.
It's got to be a circle of life. Nothing lives forever, not even the greatest nation on Earth. We just need to ensure that the next generation of America (which we do technically get every time we replace elected officials...) isn't some freakjob halfbreed mutant because the previous America banged Communism in a drunken stupor.
Few people actually understand politics, and it is very unfortunate. Politics is way too complicated, and honestly I want the country to collapse if the only other option is to give the left power. That way we can start at the constitution and rebuild, simply this time. Deregulation is the biggest thing that makes me a Trump fan, I sometimes want to vomit when I see congress pushing thru a bill and the stack of papers is like 2 feet tall.
Remember when Trump took that picture in front of all the regulation the federal government has? Like 4-6 pallets worth of paper? Absolutely disgusting. Way too complicated. Your average joe from the local repair shop should be able to be a politician, why the fuck are they making it so complicated that we need a law school educated person just to navigate politics?
Your average joe from the local repair shop should be able to be a politician, why the fuck are they making it so complicated that we need a law school educated person just to navigate politics?
We have a bartender from Brooklyn in Congress. It's not that hard.
I guess that flew more easily when society was simpler. I know before technology really connected towns and cities, local government pretty much WAS the government. Which made some distant federal authority abstract and overbearing. Harder to have that kind of system today with so many connections and people and technology.
He'll unleash "right wing death squads," doncha know. They claim he's been breaking laws left and right. Expect the next round of impeachment to be their October surprise, with not enough time for any facts to come to light before election day.
Also expect their big push of fraud to be the Senate.
We cannot allow ballots collected after election day to flip election results, and turtle isn't helping.
Wow. Was herd immunity a concept before DJT was born? I think it must've been, but I'm not sure. Here we called it "flatten the curve." Crazy Brits, going 10/10 would smash.
The reality is many people are stupid, and those people respond to persons they have an emotional connection with.
That basic truth is the greatest weakness of capitalist theory and conservative values — that some people will only find and accept the truth if you sacrifice your time and energy to hold their hand and get them there.
But if we aren’t willing to do that, then eventually the emotional masses will outnumber us. Because stupidity and emotionalism are easy, natural, and contagious. Intelligence and rationality are learned, difficult, and by nature exclusive.
Very much this!
I was a Johnson supported when he got hit with the Aleppo question. I had never heard of Aleppo and looked it up, it was the number 1 search for that day.
I realized it was a hit job and they destroyed him with it.
That was the moment I was redpilled on fake news. It felt like my brain broke and I had to regain reality.
Once I saw it, I couldn't unsee it and now I'm here. Give them time.
I work in a small department and everyone in it has crazy TDS. I had the oldest coworker (granny) go on this TDS rant today to another coworker about how Trump is selfish and is not a leader yadda yadda yadda that’s why I’m settling for Biden. Then the other coworker agreed with her...Nuts! They are so brainwashed they are settling for dementia Joe.
I'd probably get fired to be honest. This company has a good business model, but the HR department is full of commie karens. They forced us to wear mask at work because of "science" and just recently they just banned neck gaiters and bandanas because of "science". Also, they just announced all of the employees won't be in the office/distro centers until Jan/Feb of next year, actively killing our business for "saftey". Safe to say I'm going to be looking for a new job in Oct. Done.
I had this conversation before, the next part is where they come back all angry that you have been brainwashed by things called facts that contradict with their feelings and how they know that Trump is a Racist and a fascist because they took your advice and listened to him talk.
Pro tip, they won't actually listen to Trump at all but will try to link a youtube video with someone else explaining how everything Trump said one time was clearly racist if you intentionally interpret it that way, out of context, while also high.
"Is it that hard for you to listen?" is like a code word NPC emergency reset passkey. They are now mad at you for not allowing them to have a one sided debate and have completely shut out everything you have said.
"I'm processing what you are saying... it's a lot for me to process" = I must conclude that you are not the person I thought you were, and that you are in fact an evil Nazi because there is no other reasonable explanation for not drinking the koolaid. There is no possible way I can be wrong about Trump, who I have never met, so i must have been wrong about you all along. I am now sad and angry about this, and need time to figure out to deal with the loss of the person I used to think I knew. I will get back to you after I have figured out what hateful things to say to you in response.
Maybe they are a better person than that, and actually still capable of introspection, but this late in the game I doubt it. The person I had this conversation with was a reasonable, honest human being before the brainwashing set in for good.
Meds? i will say this when i go to the doc/dentist and they ask, Are you taking any meds question, and i answer no (im over 40), they seem surprised, are that many people on daily meds?
He will cross over, believe me. The reality is hurting him. My best advice - show him compassion and empathy. Say things like "I know this must feel very crazy ... I can udnerstand how you must be feeling ... I know how shocking it can be ... I understand your pain bro" etc.
At this point its not about logic and facts, its just easing him into the reality that threatens to shatter the entire identity he has built for himself.
Honestly, when people are so entrenched in their ideals and they encounter information that's counter to what they've been told, it might be really hard for them to accept it. I would give them time to think about the red pills you've dropped, and then come back with a follow-up that's a bit casual. That seems to help. At least with people that I know.
I wouldn't dismiss them because they may actually be trying to process what you've told them. And that's a good thing.
I'm naturally distrustful of everyone, especially those in authority. So finding out all of the lies and media coverups didn't surprise me. But I can see those that have come into the light start stressing because they don't understand why anyone would do this, and that they have been lied to for so long. It's hard.
This is a good response. Either he's being truthful and he'll come around at some point OR he's lying and was never listening anyway. If he's really a friend then hopefully this response wasn't a lie.
This is a good sign but the person is fragile. Back off and continue in a few days using emotional appeals of geotus banning kkk and helping minorities
If Trump was the guy the left says he is, there would be death squads roaming the land seeking out Antifa, communists, and gays. The fact that the only pushback they've gotten was from a kid in Wisconsin shows just how wrong they are.
If Trump was a facist he would have taken broad federal power during first the pandemic and second the riots, yet I still have a buddy thinking that Trump is placing "building blocks" to take supreme power if he is elected a 2nd term.
Strange, Democrats had no problems with a communist dictator for life in FDR 🤔
Dictators are not a left or a right issue
Yep. Right is the "Freedom" side, extremes bring in Extreme Libertarianism which can be equated to Anarchy. Left is the "Order" side, extremes being Fascism, Dictatorship, Genocide, etc. A little order to ensure that the Freedom doesn't get SO free that the guys who want to destroy Freedom are free to Destroy it, that's a good thing. But so much Order that Freedom is Destroyed is always the tendency of Order.
Which is why even the Constitution itself says that there will inevitably come a time when Applied Chaos must be used to secure water for the Tree of Liberty.
It's got to be a circle of life. Nothing lives forever, not even the greatest nation on Earth. We just need to ensure that the next generation of America (which we do technically get every time we replace elected officials...) isn't some freakjob halfbreed mutant because the previous America banged Communism in a drunken stupor.
LOL! Authoritarianism and Libertarianism is not the same as Left vs Right.
Crazy that no one else is upvoting you on this simple concept
Few people actually understand politics, and it is very unfortunate. Politics is way too complicated, and honestly I want the country to collapse if the only other option is to give the left power. That way we can start at the constitution and rebuild, simply this time. Deregulation is the biggest thing that makes me a Trump fan, I sometimes want to vomit when I see congress pushing thru a bill and the stack of papers is like 2 feet tall.
Remember when Trump took that picture in front of all the regulation the federal government has? Like 4-6 pallets worth of paper? Absolutely disgusting. Way too complicated. Your average joe from the local repair shop should be able to be a politician, why the fuck are they making it so complicated that we need a law school educated person just to navigate politics?
We have a bartender from Brooklyn in Congress. It's not that hard.
I guess that flew more easily when society was simpler. I know before technology really connected towns and cities, local government pretty much WAS the government. Which made some distant federal authority abstract and overbearing. Harder to have that kind of system today with so many connections and people and technology.
He'll unleash "right wing death squads," doncha know. They claim he's been breaking laws left and right. Expect the next round of impeachment to be their October surprise, with not enough time for any facts to come to light before election day.
Also expect their big push of fraud to be the Senate.
We cannot allow ballots collected after election day to flip election results, and turtle isn't helping.
Today a co-worker said Trump made up the idea of herd immunity.
I reminded him of UK going for it and smashing the curve to not overwhelm hospitals. He fell silent
Wow. Was herd immunity a concept before DJT was born? I think it must've been, but I'm not sure. Here we called it "flatten the curve." Crazy Brits, going 10/10 would smash.
The concept of "herd immunity" was the favorite argument of the left to abuse antivaxxer.
Shhhh we're not supposed to mention RW DS till AFTER the election
MeinKraft?
Snopes. The meta of fake news.
Democrats were screaming about Trump not being fascist enough 6 months ago, allowing states to choose their own path.
He's super incompetent at being a fascist.
That person is a time bomb
Probably on SSRI's
How many others?
Just be very gentle. Don't push too hard. Don't make him feel stupid.
The art of persuasion is very subtle.
Use the Socratic method. Let him think about two things:
The reality is many people are stupid, and those people respond to persons they have an emotional connection with.
That basic truth is the greatest weakness of capitalist theory and conservative values — that some people will only find and accept the truth if you sacrifice your time and energy to hold their hand and get them there.
But if we aren’t willing to do that, then eventually the emotional masses will outnumber us. Because stupidity and emotionalism are easy, natural, and contagious. Intelligence and rationality are learned, difficult, and by nature exclusive.
Even worse when schools are encouraging emotional behavior instead of logic.
I did a 2-week student exchange to Chile.
They taught symbolic logic as a primary course. In 11th grade.
That was one of my first redpills.
You know, stupidity and emotionalism might not be so easy and contagious if we didn't keep people swathed in bubble wrap from birth.
Another school nurse fucked up another child by telling them there was something psychologically wrong with them. Too many adults with crutches.
Very much this! I was a Johnson supported when he got hit with the Aleppo question. I had never heard of Aleppo and looked it up, it was the number 1 search for that day. I realized it was a hit job and they destroyed him with it. That was the moment I was redpilled on fake news. It felt like my brain broke and I had to regain reality. Once I saw it, I couldn't unsee it and now I'm here. Give them time.
What do you mean?
I remember that. Anyone a little bit into politics / current affairs must have known about Aleppo at the time. It was as pretty famous.
If Johnson didn't know about Aleppo that was really outrageous and the media was right in attacking him for it.
Send them this video
https://thedonald.win/p/HXxzN22z/no-joke-biden-seriously-just-cal/c/
Like when neo had the robot ripped out of him in the matrix, and the cordes ripped out of his spine in real life
Some red pills go down easier then others.
Whole country filled with sensitive sweet bitches
Everyone is drugged beyond belief in his country.
I work in a small department and everyone in it has crazy TDS. I had the oldest coworker (granny) go on this TDS rant today to another coworker about how Trump is selfish and is not a leader yadda yadda yadda that’s why I’m settling for Biden. Then the other coworker agreed with her...Nuts! They are so brainwashed they are settling for dementia Joe.
Wear your MAGA hat and make them all stroke out. Then sue your employer for hostile workplace.
I'd probably get fired to be honest. This company has a good business model, but the HR department is full of commie karens. They forced us to wear mask at work because of "science" and just recently they just banned neck gaiters and bandanas because of "science". Also, they just announced all of the employees won't be in the office/distro centers until Jan/Feb of next year, actively killing our business for "saftey". Safe to say I'm going to be looking for a new job in Oct. Done.
I had this conversation before, the next part is where they come back all angry that you have been brainwashed by things called facts that contradict with their feelings and how they know that Trump is a Racist and a fascist because they took your advice and listened to him talk.
Pro tip, they won't actually listen to Trump at all but will try to link a youtube video with someone else explaining how everything Trump said one time was clearly racist if you intentionally interpret it that way, out of context, while also high.
"Is it that hard for you to listen?" is like a code word NPC emergency reset passkey. They are now mad at you for not allowing them to have a one sided debate and have completely shut out everything you have said.
"I'm processing what you are saying... it's a lot for me to process" = I must conclude that you are not the person I thought you were, and that you are in fact an evil Nazi because there is no other reasonable explanation for not drinking the koolaid. There is no possible way I can be wrong about Trump, who I have never met, so i must have been wrong about you all along. I am now sad and angry about this, and need time to figure out to deal with the loss of the person I used to think I knew. I will get back to you after I have figured out what hateful things to say to you in response.
Maybe they are a better person than that, and actually still capable of introspection, but this late in the game I doubt it. The person I had this conversation with was a reasonable, honest human being before the brainwashing set in for good.
Your interpretation of this scenario is quite prescient. You're like a commie whisperer.
Back off on the politics and don't mention it again until he does. Just go back to being apolitical friends. Trust me.
You should point out that only communist revolutionaries call capitalism ‘fascism’. They need to update their tired century old propaganda.
She is fighting her conscience and her heart is attacking it.
This is what happens when you live by feelings
Meds? i will say this when i go to the doc/dentist and they ask, Are you taking any meds question, and i answer no (im over 40), they seem surprised, are that many people on daily meds?
He will cross over, believe me. The reality is hurting him. My best advice - show him compassion and empathy. Say things like "I know this must feel very crazy ... I can udnerstand how you must be feeling ... I know how shocking it can be ... I understand your pain bro" etc.
At this point its not about logic and facts, its just easing him into the reality that threatens to shatter the entire identity he has built for himself.
pretty sure you wouldn't be allowed to criticize a fascist ruler
Are all your friends this stable?
I wouldn't know where to start. 😉
Retreated to victimhood
"Stress" = Cognitive Dissonance
They have to take meds to reduce anxiety, to keep from being red-pilled.
Well, sounds like you're getting to him/her
Sounds like he's chewing on a pink pill.
sounds like they’re at least willing to think about it
Honestly, when people are so entrenched in their ideals and they encounter information that's counter to what they've been told, it might be really hard for them to accept it. I would give them time to think about the red pills you've dropped, and then come back with a follow-up that's a bit casual. That seems to help. At least with people that I know.
I wouldn't dismiss them because they may actually be trying to process what you've told them. And that's a good thing.
I'm naturally distrustful of everyone, especially those in authority. So finding out all of the lies and media coverups didn't surprise me. But I can see those that have come into the light start stressing because they don't understand why anyone would do this, and that they have been lied to for so long. It's hard.
Give them time to process. It's hard to wake up.
They could not counter what you said so they changed it up to avoid it.
I don’t know of any meds that require you to not be stressed to take them.
Remind him to take a look at the price of his medicine, then thank Trump.
You are not alone. The deprogramming is going to be hard.
This is a good response. Either he's being truthful and he'll come around at some point OR he's lying and was never listening anyway. If he's really a friend then hopefully this response wasn't a lie.
pretty funny
First time thinking
This is a good sign but the person is fragile. Back off and continue in a few days using emotional appeals of geotus banning kkk and helping minorities
If Trump was the guy the left says he is, there would be death squads roaming the land seeking out Antifa, communists, and gays. The fact that the only pushback they've gotten was from a kid in Wisconsin shows just how wrong they are.
If Trump was a fascist we wouldn't have to suffer little whining faggots who have to take meds.
Noone is able to yell fascist in a fascist country and live to tell the tale.
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Cognitive Dissonance can be a good sign...
I'm laughing but also feel sad if a true friend needed meds to process something
Red pills are easier to swallow with an open mind and free from fake news.
Sad they can go back to mommy.
There is no hope when they tell you they have to “process” this
Pathetic. Pede, why associate with this individual?