When the "pope" is calling for the dismantling of all private arms ownership... You know you've lost the path
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That's a $40k optic :(
Company card go swipe
》has company card
》no limit
That's a question from the accounting lady on Monday methinks
Nobody goes to prison anymore...unless you’re white. So, if you’re at all tan, definitely worth the crime cuz you ain’t doing the time.
I’m not tan, I’m FDE
At first I was like "full disk encryption" is a color?
Then looked it up, "Flat Dark Earth"
We have the best computer nerds, folks.
Kek
I misread that as Tomato Gray.
Dyslexia, the gift that keep on giving.
fool me can't get fooled again
I’d say that’s par for the course for non-profits and churches.
For sure. My mom worked as a church secretary before she retired, caught 2 embezzlers during her career.
My dad caught one too at his job too, if I had a talent for it we'd be the van helsing's of embezzlement.
Reparations or something something rayciss
Lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF3ynNiwsUw
They really bottle in the warmth
Well - looks like I'm....
A no limit solder 😎
Everyone dismatels their firearms every Sunday to give them a good coat of oil. Thanks for stepping in and reminding us how important it is to take good care of our weapons good sir.
To prevent corrosion, don't use oil. It drys out too fast and isn't even meant to be for that purpose. OIl belongs where metal contacts metal. I use good ol' hoppees on my traditional guns and my black guns get Mobile 1 Synthetic. Think about how much money went into R&D for it.
Now if you want to prevent corrosion, use a product called Boeshield T-9. It was made to prevent corrosion in jet engines. It dries and leaves a thin slightly waxy film.
For long term storage guns with blued/stainless/(not matte) finishes, give it a coat of Johnson's paste furniture wax, once dry give it a buff and put it away. guaranteed to not rust unless you have a boating accident.
I use silicon lubricant. In specific, silicon oil meant for use in shock absorbers. It is semi-cohesive, lubricating, and highly in-compressible, which means that on moving parts, mechanical pressure cannot force the metal together and the silicon away. It acts as a wear barrier and shock resistor in addition to a lubricant. Doesn't dry out, and clings to metal as well. I find that in sliding parts it works incredibly well to stop wear.
Good luck holding onto that thing...
Maybe I'm just doing something wrong, in my experiences silicone oil is great, but eventually no matter how careful you are, it gets on everything! And once it's on it. .. it's very difficult to get off. Still have like a 6' section of hardwood that is like an ice rink from a drop that got on the floor.
You do have to be very careful with it. but I find that Windex works well to clean it off. A bit on a cloth and it breaks down and wipes off. Yet oddly heat and a crap ton of carbon don't affect it. Go figure.
2190TEP for the win. For those in saltwater environments.
We're not supposed to just dunk our firearms into a tub of Crisco?
Traditional gun vs black gun? Any difference?
Politicians will use the black ones to frighten people.
One of them will rob you, the answer changes depending if you're a leftist or not.
I’m glad I’m not the only one. I have an old-school metal pump oil can with M1 Euro formula on my gun maintenance gear shelf, because it’s the heaviest weight you can get. Oiler can similar to this.
This reminds me... I need a tank.
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My version (updated) say tank. Buy a tank.
If you have a sword, you can take a cloak if that's your wish.
That was awesome. I’ve been a good Pede, I want a TANK. Here is the post https://thedonald.win/p/HXjxe5ZQ/sunday-big-gunday-free-americans/
My sporting shotgun fell out of the golf cart last weekend and landed right in a giant puddle of mud.
I was so embarrassed I drove immediately to my car, put it in the trunk, took a different one, then went back out like nothing happened.
It's still back there I just remembered as I read your post. Dear god.
I had another boating accident yesterday. I lost 4 firearms in that tragedy. I think I have lost about 11 guns in the past year. I'd take my compound bow but they just don't penetrate gator skin as well.
Thx for the early morning laugh!
I'd have thought oil lasts longer than that. Can't you use long-lasting spray grease or something?
Lmao It was a joke comment
Oops, I know nothing about guns, so I'm super naive on the subject :)
Yes.
Yeah, well in real life, we call that waste fraud and abuse aka black op funds.
That movie was globalist propaganda of tremendous proportions, and that line in particular was about getting the public to believe government fraud is funding super-duper top secret UFO research and not 100 million dollar yachts.
It was absolutely a propaganda film.
Its producers are also heavily linked to the Democratic Party; the director even held a fundraiser at his house for Hillary Clinton. In the sequel, also from the same people, the U.N. has taken over the United States government and only they can stop those pesky aliens. (Reminder, this is a movie called Independence Day.)
Easy big fella, easy. There is truth to your point but sometimes it really is just a movie.
It's Hollywood, there's no such thing as 'just a movie.'
$65,000 hot dog parties
A lot of the fraud is at unit level. Staff Sergeant keeps buying office chairs every year no matter if they are needed or not, to keep their budget and his kick backs from the supplier, found taped to the side of the box with his chair inside.
No, they really are building huge underground facilities. You didn't hear it from me, though.
Right, that's how Santa Claus moves around so fast.
Just because some jackass on 4chan said it doesn't make it true.
Can someone explain what the outer two eyes are for.
You don't have four eyes? Lol non-nerd
Lol fucking two eyed nerd.
Improved peripheral for extended field of vision.
Peripheral vision.
You know how you're looking out a row of windows but your brain ignores the frames and sees the outside as only one image?
Or how you actually have your nose in every view but your brain just erases it?
That's what they're going for.
And by the way, that helps a lot with a Rhinoceros or how a chicken or fish pretty much imagines what the hell is on its nose.
HOLY SHIT I AM ALWAYS SEEING MY NOSE?!
Can't be unseen!!
Thank God for the brain's autopilot setting.
You think, that realizing your nose is there, is bad?
YOU ARE NOW MANUALLY BREATHING!!!
Thinking about every breath.
Breath in... Breath out!!!
You go this! Just keep it up now.
And your tongue, it's just sitting there, in your mouth.
Screw you D:
Gotta go game or something to forget this again
And it is always smelling while you watch it.
Wtf? I'm agreeing with your explanation, then all of a sudden you're talking about chickens. 😁🤔
Now I'm imagining chickens running around wearing those optics. I like that mental image.
Based chickens
The chickens haven't forgotten what happened when the pigs took over the farm.
But which crossed the road first?
And fish! Is this Chik-Fil-A?
No, this is Patrick.
Ah, Patrick!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d4FHHf00pY
Increased field of view.
Extra collectors give you a greater field of view and depth perception. Most infantry models have a single magnifier. All aviation models have two collectors. The very best models such as this have 4 actual devices. So a single might have 30 degrees of view, a double might have 80, these ones have like 130 degrees of vision.
Thanks for the explanation. I’m just realizing the eyes aren’t dug into the middle two scopes like how binoculars work and realize now the four scopes are far away from the face giving a field of eye. I feel kinda dumb. Thanks again. Would love to look thru these and see what it looks like.
Generation 3+ NVGs are pretty good the gen 4 ones are super expensive. You can see pretty much anything at like 200meters. You can look thru tinted cars and see the skin tone and sex of people driving at night. You can see dozens of shooting stars in the sky.
Honestly NVGs are great if you aren't facing another military. The thermal optics most modern-day countries use are far better, but they are not always very mobile.
Could just kill the bad guys during the day. I don't need optics to throw a commie out of a chopper.
Actually, you can throw commies out of a helicopter at night, too. And you should.
I mean, a $40k optic is a lot cheaper than a helicopter and a helicopter pilot's license, unless you happen to have or be a hookup.
At any rate, we shouldn't quibble too much over all the different methods of making commies go away. Deploy all assets.
Ok, night vision for helicopter pilots.
I've got you quite the deal, if that's what you want! It comes standard with the Ah-64 Longbow Suite! Impressive unit! Incredible even! 100$% money back if the enemy doesn't shit thier pants!
Like Naddler the Waddler?
It adds to the fear, as they can't see the ground rushing up to meet them
Strap a few IR chem lights on em and it’ll be your own personal meteor shower.
Imagine thinking helicopters are cheap. KEK!
"Hey Squidward, I'm giving the commies free helicopter rides.....at night!"
Well said. May I put your quote on the side of my helo " I don't need optics to throw a commie out of a chopper."
Hahaha, sure. But I always love "This machine kills commies."
Kek I like that too.
For everything else there's the company card?
Warhammer or dollars?
Warhammer has gone full LGBT BLM :(
Trust your instincts brother
yes. there is nowhere left to hide from this shit
I’ve heard things but I heard they didn’t go “full”.
Give me the redpill.
just look at their twitter
Honestly all I’m seeing is announcements and models.
Anything specific?
maybe it was the dev team twitter I can't remember but it was entire threads about BLM and LGBT plus a bunch of anti white stuff. if i find it ill link you
But it comes with FREE SHIPPING! Also, you need to be law enforcement or military to buy them.
That infringes on my rights to be a tactical operator!
Vatican told the European Jews much the same at the dawn of WWII...how'd that work out...by the middle of the war...the Jews left alive in Warsaw Poland...mostly teenagers and children, were reduced to a tiny group, left to fight and live in the city sewers as freedom fighters. I'm a catholic...this guys is nuts...ask the Tibetans when the Chinese came in...their leader, the Dalai Lama had to flee and live in exile... this Pope is either a naive fool or a monster...problem is...the end results are always the same...death to the people who trust them
Globalist tool
Communist. The real pope is still Benedict.
I detest Bergoglio.
Luciferin
biochemist?
Begoglio is the worst. Worst name. Worst pope. Commie pope. Phony pope. Impostor. Ant-christian pope, wants the destruction of the West.
>Beglobohomo
I still miss John Paul 11.
John Paul eleven? Boy did I miss a few
This timeline!
Exactly. This Pope is a mistake, first Jesuit
Afaik this is the first and only pope that is a jesuit.
Oh, you mean Pope Koran Kisser?
Somebody just stole some of his blood from a church.
What???
https://news.yahoo.com/relic-pope-john-paul-iis-161937476.html
What?
https://youtu.be/wMHwYUGkzss
Great discussions from this guy on the legitimacy of the current pope and stuff.
I would dearly love to know the true story behind Benedict's "retirement" ; it's hard for me not to link it to his highly based comments on islam, and the behind-closed-doors decision to flood the EU with moslem rapeugees. What's truly behind THAT decision is also something I would dearly love to see revealed.
Yeah, the supposed "health-related" reasons seem to be fake, since he's still alive and in good health. He was forced out because he was too conservative.
I know next to nothing on the subject but the words "Vatican bank" seem like they should also be tossed in there.
My gut says Epstein-level shenanigans may also be behind some of this.
Yep, simply bought out by globalist tyrants.
You pollacks are awesome <3
Nah, you are badasses all on your own.
But yes MAGA
And MPGA
Plus Poland has beautiful women, just like MAGA country and kekistan.
I mostly agree but I don't think we can forget about the time Winged Hussars staved off the Jihadists for 300 years.
Jesus Christ would rather have you naked than unarmed.
Conversely: you are not fully dressed unless you're carrying.
Tangentially related: "In my opinion, any officer who goes into action without his sword is improperly dressed." -- "Mad" Jack Churchill
Pope John Paul II was the last good pope.
The left will try to shame you for disliking the pope, but the left does not understand history and there were a good amount of really bad popes. The Vatican plays politics just like anyone else, humanity was meant to worship the way they see fit, not the way the Vatican commands. The bible is very vague on the papacy, and even more vague about the Vatican.
The bible says anything about the papacy? That's news to me.
Jesus gave Peter alone the Keys to the Kingdom.
Common misunderstanding due to a bad translation. Peter means small rock, while the rock Jesus said he would build his church on would be like a huge boulder (talking about Himself)
While Peter had a lot of responsibility and power in the early church, there is nothing in the Bible about a succession of people that inherit that role.
The Peter is the "small rock" and Jesus is the "large rock" is inaccurate. Petros is just the masculine form of the word petra. If Jesus would have named Peter "Petra", that would have been like giving a man the name "Jane" instead of "John". Petros and petra are both mean rock and are the same thing. If Petra is a giant boulder, in the Greek translation of Joshua 5, does God expect them to make knives out of giant boulders?
Also Catholics believe the Pope is essentially the Bishop with primacy. Do you know where the term "Bishop" comes from.
Hate to break this to you but the Catholic Church is anti-Christian. Anyone that thinks this current pope is speaking for God on Earth is out of their mind. God isn't telling the pope anything and if He is, this one is doing the opposite of what He says. The Pope is pushing Socialist policies to give men power over others for personal gain. Christianity doesn't teach that, the leader of the Catholic Church does.
Putting aside the current Pope, you are going to have to provide evidence that the papacy does not exist. You can't just say that the current pope is wrong on things or that you can't see God doing something, therefore the papacy does not exist.
The Jesus who spoke in parables and metaphors suddenly meant this completely literally? How do you figure that?
Just Men after a power grab, nothing more.
Not everything Jesus said was a parable or metaphor. In fact, most of the time it is explicitly said whether or not he was speaking in that manner.
Petoria was
That feel when not a based Voortrekker...
This is a Sola Scriptura argument. You can't trash the Protestants while clinging to the same thing yourself. If the the rock argument was really true to Christ's teaching, the Sees of Constantinople and Antioch and others would still have been in communion with Rome.
Edit: plus St. Peter also founded the See of Antioch. What makes Rome the keeper of the key and not Antioch? Just because Rome was the larger metropolis? That's a politically charged and thus scummy argument.
Peter established the Church in Antioch, but when he left the primacy left with him.
The valid central authority is Christ himself.
Throughout history, the repeated attempts to centralize power into the hands of one human figurehead has always produced catastrophic consequences.
To err is human, and leaving all eggs in on basket is not prudent. God told us to love our neighbors, he never told us to trust them.
One more thing: why did Rome crowned Charlemagne Holy Roman Emperor when it had not been part of the Roman Empire for 400 years after falling to barbarian raids?
The rock is not the man and the petra/petros thing is ignorant. Jesus says that his divine nature was revealed to Simon by God himself and then says "you are Rock and on this rock I will build my Church". The rock is God's revelation to man, particularly in the Holy Spirit. The rock is hearing the word of God rather than going with the flow of the world.
Then, Simon is called Rock from that point on. Not Peter, the greek word but Kephas, the Aramaic word. He holds an office of listening for God's word. Even though popes have been imperfect or even evil, their job remains to listen for the voice of God and tell us what it says.
Immediately afterward, Simon says something stupid "God forbid Lord, no such thing will ever happen to you" and Jesus calls him Satan, proving that thr man whose job is to listen and speak the will of God also sometimes is a false prophet speaking his own will. He must carefully discern whether he is hearing the will of God or his own.
What use is it to have such a person in the Church if they sometimes evil and even the good ones are sometimes wrong? Because God uses the man to communicate his will. When God chooses to speak through the Rock he does so. This provides a certain unity to the Church which is so sadly lacking in non-Catholic communities and Churches. Better to have an imperfect pope than no pope at all.
What about infallibility? When the man speaks as himself he is not infallible. When he speaks as the Rock, who has listened to God and then spoken, he is infallible. How do we know when he is speaking his own mind and not officially? This requires discernment.
In this case he tweeted: We need to dismantle the perverse logic that links personal and national security to the possession of weaponry. This logic serves only to increase the profits of the arms industry, while fostering a climate of distrust and fear between persons and peoples.
Sounds right to me. The literal meaning of his words is "We need to logically disprove that weapons cause safety." And of course he is right. Gun control people do need to logically disprove it before I stop believing it.
Does it make sense that a house, any houses or buildings, is built on a single piece of rock?
When you talk to one of your kids, do the rest suddenly stop being your kids?
No, that wouldn't make any sense. When you talk to a child among your children, your attention is on him or her. That doesn't mean the rest cease to be your children.
I'm still unsure as to why there is even a need for a central human authority "to listen to God's voice" when it's been Biblical that the people don't even listen to the prophets each time they are sent. A humanly vessel is proven time and time again to be inadequate. Like you said, what is the point of a vicar when it is God's decision when and where He shall reveal His will? Remember, it was St. Paul who originally persecuted Christians and then converted out of the blue. St. Paul didn't need a vicar to hear the will of God.
Everything in Scriptures points to a trend of decentralization after Christ's sacrifice. The Gospels are documented into 4 books of 4 different points of witness and Acts are letters of several apostles, all of whom were common folks, none rabbis or priests originally.
Even in one of Christ's parables, the dishonest employee showed himself prudent in God's eyes when he found out he lost favor with his master. He separated his eggs to multiple baskets as he relieved the debts of different people.
If Christ had really wanted one of his successors "to hold all the keys", why would he even have called the others? Why would God even send His Son when the priestly nation Israel could have been enough to lead the nations?
One more thing: why did Christ made a point about the pointlessness of a priest who was vain in his obsession with keeping the laws while praising the humbled tax collector who prayed in secret?
If God wanted a vicar why the need at all to show that any secret prayers would be heard by Him?
The truth is one basket is never enough, no matter how hard you wish it to be so.
And isn't it a waste of time to prove that weapons are useful and dangerous? Did God ever have to prove to humans that a sword is a sword, and how to use it to destroy and/or to protect, like we are a bunch of robots? Didn't God simply install his automaton with flaming swords at the gate of Eden to guard it?
Do the common people need to know mathematically why 1 + 1 = 2? No, that would be a waste of time.
"Weapons cause safety" isn't even an argument. It's self evident.
All I know is I'm going Lutheran because Luther was absolutely based.
Too bad all the Lutheran churches I see are filled with SJW signs and black lives matter banners. Also female priests who talk about black transgender lives mattering and systemic racism.
Agggghhh is that true? I'm in search of a based religion.
Not even close, no. When he said "upon this rock I will build my church, he wasn't talking about Peter (which is where the mistake comes in because Peter can be translated as rock or stone), but rather upon the confession Peter had just made: "You are the Son of God". This statement, this confession of truth, is what the church is built upon. That Jesus Christ was the Son of God. Without that cornerstone of belief, nothing else stands.
Why would Jesus then name him Rock and say on this rock I will build my Church for no reason? Seems like that would be awfully arbitrary and confusing to throw in there for no purpose. Even renowned protestant scholars like D.A. Carson say that Peter is the rock.
In the Aramaic "Kephas" is used for both Peter and rock. The same word
Matthew 18:18 kinda turns that on its head and implies that other apostles were given equal standing.
Did the other Apostles get the keys?
Bro "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." Matt 16:19
I assume you're referring to the man whose real name was Michael King, Jr., not Martin Luther King, Jr.
He didn't call himself by that name until he was almost 30 years old.
What?
As an outsider, it seems to me that much of Catholicism is just shit that somebody pulled out of a hat hundreds of years ago and then for some reason everyone believed was the will of God.
For sure. At one point they made their followers pay the church to forgive their sins.
That's not what indulgences were at all. You were paying for religious to pray for you.
Right, to get you through purgatory to heaven. They were literally selling salvation
No, that's not how that works at all.
You speak more truth than you might realize.
Familiarize yourself with Russell's Teapot and the John Frum cults.
That's every religion, bub.
The Tupi Indians believed that when you die, two giant worms devour your stomach (thereby eating your soul), then an Amazonian god greets you at the gates to the afterlife by squirting chili juice in your eyes.
I don't know what happens when we die, but I know it's not that.
Personally I think the Samaritans have it right.
They probably pulled the strings that got Benedict usurped and had this commie fuck installed.
I think almost certainly that happened.
Back to the Orthodox Church. Down with dictators; the bishop of Rome is only first among equals.
King Kirill
Yeah he was great, at kissing Korans.
He was awesome and diplomatic without a globalist pussy.
This "pope" is protecting the abusive priests and even reinstating ones that his predecessor removed. He is the latter.
Catholics should look into Orthodoxy, the ORIGINAL Catholicism.
George and all the founding fathers would have died for the constitution. I will too.
Ok I cant help but upvote yr comments but you can shut the fuck up now, we get it
Did you hear? Luke 22:36
Source please.
Half the time the press reports the "pope said this today" and then you read the actual article and find out he either never said it or said something altogether different.
I know this Pope has Marxist leanings but I still would like an actual source for these kinds of articles
https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/1309544250934263808?s=20 From the man himself
Easy to pontificate when you have armed personal guards.
Unless he has them removed or orders his security to discard their guns and carry nothing on them, he has no right calling for average people to no longer be armed
That hypocritical loser claimed Trump couldn't be Christian because he wanted to build the border wall.
Of course, he said that while sitting on his fat ass in a mini-country that is completely surrounded by a massive border wall.
To make the incident even more ironic - The Leonine Walls that surround the Vatican were literally constructed to protect the Pope from raids by Muslim pirates, who sailed up the River Tiber and burnt down St Paul's Outside the Walls and burnt and ransacked Old St Peter's Basilica back in the 800s
This pope didn't build the vatican
Well he’s not tearing down the walls either
He doesn't own the Vatican. Why don't you go tear down your neighbors fence.
That's his personal opinion. He is allowed to have them. He really doesn't have the power to take your guns.
Actually:
https://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/two-us-constitutions
He wasn't talking about the 2A. He was addressing the U.N. about military technology, warfare, and nuclear weapons.
Then why did he refer to "personal" security in addition to national security?
Who does that remind you of? Maybe hollywood and the elite in the government. Get rid of your guns but we need OUR protection!
That is what everybody is saying, he is getting BTFO on Twitter.
Isn't it interesting that the very word we use to indicate some elite talking down tothe peasants is directly derived from the pope?
That's not what he said. He wasn't talking about the average people being armed. He was addressing the U.N. about military technology, warfare, and nuclear weapons.
Tell me again how he's only talking about the military contractors.
Did you read the rest of his speech or only the tweet?
Does this mean ACB no longer supports the 2a?
No more than Pedes are bound to follow everything Trump has ever said on Twitter.
The pope's opinion on any given subject is not considered infallible. The Pope is only infallible when he is speaking through the extraordinary Magisterium and ex cathedra (from the chair). There are very few statements that are made by popes over the centuries that rise to that level. There was one in the 19th century concerning the Immaculate Conception and another in the 20th Century concerning the Assumption. That's two, in two centuries and that's considered a lot.
Well, it seems like a lot of Catholics disagree with this Pope. How about throwing him out and trying again.
That's not the way it works. Assassination seems the historical method of removing a bad pope. I'm not endorsing it but Popes generally die as Popes. We've had bad Popes before. I still believe the Holy Spirit is guiding the Church but we are going to have to suffer under a Marxist Agnostic, if not atheist, Pope for a time. God's ways are His own.
My Eastern Orthodox Church aka the Orthodox Catholic Church most humbly disagrees.
We disagreed so much that we told the pope ,,I,, about 1k years ago.
Umm, actually, in 1054 your Orthodox Church didn't break from the Catholic Church over the Pope, but rather over the filioque clause of the Nicene Creed. "And the son" but it was mostly a political break.
It's way more complicated than that. It's absolutely not the case that every random thing that he or any other pope said is gospel and statements made ex cathedra are very rare and quite unlikely to ever appear as Tweets -
"in present day conditions, when it is so easy to communicate with the most distant parts of the earth and to secure a literally universal promulgation of papal acts, the presumption is that unless the pope formally addresses the whole Church in the recognized official way, he does not intend his doctrinal teaching to be held by all the faithful as ex cathedra and infallible."
https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm
Well the church is officially against abortion but hasnt excommunicated nancy or sleepy joe!
It's hard to make a case that that's a matter of faith or morals and it'd be extra hard to square it with Bible verses like the one where Jesus told His followers to sell their cloak and buy a sword if they had to.
In short, don't hold your breath, they don't go around making pronouncements like that much. In terms of deliberate pronouncements ex cathedra, I think there have only ever been two? Basically, it just doesn't happen most doctrine is already well-decided and not going to change.
I mean, I get what he's saying--war is hell and you don't want to start one. I'm on board with that one.
The problem is that the method is entirely wrong from what I've seen in history. Peace through strength works, surrendering your weapons when people hate you has a long history of being a really bad idea. In particular, Cambodia's king tried to disarm the people. The commies there stole the shipments of weapons and then murdered the people with their own guns.
I don't want that to happen here. Also, I'm pretty sure the church leadership is being blackmailed by Epstein types. The pope's election was not normal. I imagine they indicated that they were going to blame all the pedo scandals on the former pope and he couldn't exactly hide in the Vatican and never leave without a lot of questions, or something like that. I don't claim to actually know anything here for sure, but it makes entirely too much sense after what we read in all the leaked emails and what we know about how Epstein's blackmail operations worked.
Here in the states, we the people are recognized as holding legitimate authority to keep and bear arms, so such a position would be in contradiction with extant Church teaching.
Also, Papal infallibility isn't something the Pope can just "activate" whenever he wants. It's only recognized when the reigning pontiff is making explicit statements on faith or morals, and only in particular circumstances.
Papal teaching cannot introduce utter novelties or contradict Scripture or Tradition. Popes cannot reverse past teachings or make up new doctrines out of whole cloth.
The Catechism (2265) specifically states defense is not only a right but a grave duty and unjust aggressors can be rendered unable to cause harm. Those who legitimately hold authority have the right to use arms to repel aggressors.
How is it you are so misinformed about Catholicism??
Papal infallibility has only been used twice.
That's when true Catholics can jump ship and join their brothers and sisters with whom they split nearly 1,000 years ago. We follow the scripture and have no need for Papal Supremacy.
Good clarification.
If you're not Catholic why do you care. Go be a Baptist or Morman.
Ah, so you must have had all these same concerns about Scalia... right? How did you deal with your bundle of feelings about him?
To equate Baptists to Mormons is beyond evil. One uses the Holy Bible alone to direct its path. The other believes in all manner of nonsense not found in the Holy Bible. The Catholic church is more akin to Mormon teachings in that regard.
Baptist are some of the holier than thou people I have ever met. Always judging the!selves to heaven and everyone one else to hell.
So the Vatican is the only foreign country who owns US realestate? The Catholic church gives more to charity then any other enity.
https://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/two-us-constitutions
No, it isn't. This has no bearing on any 2A case. The pope gave an opinion. Catholics have zero obligation to follow it any more than if he said he prefers tiramisu to coffee cake.
God, don't give me a really hard choice....
Kek.
As a Catholic, my first thought on this was "ACB might be willing to bend a little on 2a now"
Then you're one poorly formed Catholic.
Not quite sure how this reflects on me? I know some Catholics that really take the Pope’s word to heart. I was merely saying she might be one of those types of Catholics...
The pope addresses the the U.N. about military technology, warfare, and nuclear weapons and somehow as a consequence an American judge "might be willing to bend a little on 2a?" Come on.
I saw the meme, which to me seemed to me to be talking about 2A. Obviously I wasn’t the only one because other people commented. I immediately made my comment after that. No need for you to be a prick by saying I’m somehow a malformed Catholic. It’s a legit concern that some Catholics really will take everything he says as Gospel even in times when they shouldn’t. But are you looking for an apology? Sure thing! I am sorry I made my comment after only looking at one picture and didn’t know he was talking about warfare. Douche bag
Probably
I'm sorry your dad pounds your ass.
I just feel sorry for you is all. But maybe you liked it
No. This has no bearing on any 2A case. The pope gave an opinion. Catholics have zero obligation to follow it any more than if he said he prefers tiramisu to coffee cake.
The woman said she might recuse if the pope had an opinion on something.
Its all said and done now so it doesn't matter. Just don't be surprised when she turns out to be a roberts
I've been around since 2016 you dumb cunt. Go back and ask your daddy to pound that ass somemore
Link, please.
Interesting.
Part of the problem with this is that Socialist uprising have literally taken advantage of this sort of thing. If you read about the Khmer Rouge, you'll find out that the king ordered everyone disarmed after the civil war. The Khmer Rouge robbed the transports of seized arms, then took over the disarmed populace with their own guns.
Also, there was that Bible verse where Jesus said to sell your cloak to buy a sword if you had to...
One would think a Pope from South America would have a different opinion.
I wonder if we could've gotten one from Cambodia?
People will say Jesus was "just" fulfilling prophecy with that bible verse. Don't let that slide. The fact that the disciples had 2 swords in their possession and Jesus didn't preach against it speaks volumes. Now, following that to it's conclusion, people might say "Maybe he did say something about it, it just isn't in the Bible." This is where you have to have 100% trust that the Bible is THE WORD OF GOD. God wouldn't have left something out of the Bible if it was of any lasting importance.
Not only did they have 2 swords, they used them and cut off the ear of a servant, then Jesus healed that.
He wasn't talking about disarming individuals. He was addressing the U.N. about military technology, warfare, and nuclear weapons.
I'm sorry to see you're agnostic. While the worldly church has failed you, know that God doesn't require you to be a part of any worldly church for salvation.
He’s the anti-pope.
Anti-Pope? Not yet.
But he is a bad Pope
Exactly. Reading these comments is eye opening. So many people here comment on what the pope said or believes and all they know is what they read about him in the media that hates Catholicism.
The pope was elevated by all the other cardinals who know him 100000000% better than any one here knows him.
Just like conservatives, the media deliberately take the Pope out-of-context and make deliberate 'liberties' with translation of what he says.
Come on folks..
Seems pretty clear to me.
https://youtu.be/VjpAqG0ap4I
"There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be."-- Abp. Fulton Sheen
MAKE THE POPE POLISH AGAIN
Any nationality as long as indeed they have the vigour to be indepdent and stick to the Deposit of Faith like indeed the Polish or German Pope.
Real austere religious scholar
Remember, just as a note from a Catholic, Catholics ONLY believe the Pope is infallible when speaking on the matter of Church doctrine, not social practices.
He can be wrong on a lot of things.
Also, papal infallibility must be specifically invoked. It has only been used 3 times in history.
Exactly (taking your word on the amount). Most people who despise Catholics don't realize the actual practices we follow. Saying Catholicism is bad because of Francis, is like saying the USA is bad because of Obama.
I thought it was twice (the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption of Mary), but the point remains that it is very rare
The Orthodox are just as pious if not more when it comes to the Mother of God, but they don't force the doctrine of Immaculate Conception and Assumption. It's OK to leave things unanswered.
That's not the point...but okay
How?
the idea that human infallibility is a thing that can be invoked makes no theological sense
It is not "human infallibility", rather it is the infallibility of the Vicar of Christ while speaking only from the Chair of Peter.
This still means a human being. The only difference being that they claim to represent apostles.
They don't claim to represent the Apostles, but they do claim to hold what has been passed down through Apostolic Succession. (By the way, I always like to clarify that I am not taking a hostile approach to this, just trying to hash out ideas)
Hey no worries! I enjoy this topic and most people just end up shouting at me (or trying to get me kicked out of school) for talking about it. Haha
Right, I shouldn’t have used the word speak, but yeah it’s more of a ‘direct lineage’ to the authority of the spirit. I just haven’t been convinced that this was the original intention. Especially given that this lineage is said to have come from Peter.
It’s a weird coincidence that this lineage starts with Peter, and the Catholic Church has a long unfortunate history of misrepresenting Christ whether through thought or actions
You won't find me saying that the Catholic Church has had its fair share of issues. Heck I can guarantee you that this Catholic gets more pissed off than anyone when an issue arises.
The question you need to ask yourself though is are the issues that are arising issues with Church doctrine and teaching or issues with "bad players" within the Church?
I would say that from all the research I have done that you may want to put your money on the latter haha
Misrepresenting Christ? I doubt you understand what the Catholic Church is about.
I would put it a little differently. After the “fall of man” humans are inherently incapable of the righteousness that is necessary to be in God’s presence. The only thing that can redeem man is faith in God’s redemptive plan. “Faith is credited to us as righteousness”. Christ is the redemptive plan revealed. As far as the pope goes (sorry Catholics), the Catholic Church has developed a lot of bad doctrine over the centuries. The Bible does not give any man infallibility.
I looked into history (am a huge nerd) of the Roman empire and it appears to me that the claim of Rome as the legitimate successor of Peter back in the days were politically charged. Rome lost all power and authority as the capital of the Roman Empire once Emperor Constantine officially moved the Seat to Constantinople (initially named Nova Roma, later changed to Constantino-polis, or City of Constantine).
Rome lost all power and claims at that point, and the Barbarians only hastened the fall of that city.
Fast forward a few hundred years, the Barbarians have now converted to Christianity and the political class (mostly powerful merchant families including the Venetians) obviously must do something to regain "the glory of Rome" .
Enters Charlemagne and his genius conquest. The political class at Rome immediately seizes the opportunity and crown him the Holy Roman Emperor. Mind you, the real and legitimate Roman empire is still existing in the East at Constantinople uninterrupted since its official relocation as mentioned previously.
This ultimately led to rising tension over the next few hundred years which finally resulted in the sack of Constantinople by the Venetian scums and their BLM puppets disguised as crusaders.
You can make this exact same argument about the constitution and the courts. Why did the founding fathers wear wigs and fancy shoes? Why do court justices wear those fancy black robes? Why are there so many laws and rules and amendments? It’s because rules evolve over time as new situations arise. The Catholic Church has been around for 2000 years so of course it would be full of various stuff that has evolved. It’s weird if you to dismiss it instead of wonder why it came to be - it didn’t just spontaneously appear in one second.
I totally agree about the points that you make about the Catholic Church. I know a few faithful Catholics though. Good people. But yeah the church history and some of the practices. Protestantism has its own problems.
Haha I’ll agree for the most part also, the idea that Jesus came, scolded and frequently put religious people in their places, so he can influence a different religion, but this time a little different.
Also, the Catholic Church basically killed off a christians for decades. See: Fox’s Book of Martyrs.
And lastly, magically changing the Sabbath without any sound biblical reasoning to do so
Easiest way to sum up Catholicism for beginners. Picture a family:
God is our Dad and we are His adopted children. We disobeyed Him and turned our back on Him. He never turned His back on us. We went so far away from Him that we can't make it back on our own.
He sacrificed Himself in order to give us a path back to Him. No we have the opportunity to unite ourselves with the Father.
Does this help paint a very basic picture, my friend?
The major point of contention being that God sacrificed his son/himself to give people an opportunity ‘to be reunited’. This doesn’t make sense to me personally when Jesus’s debt paid (in full) for the sins of mankind.
I dont really see many events in the Bible that show God to say one thing but in reality has 24 pages of fine print to go along with what he’s said. Especially since biblically God has been portrayed as laying out specific consequences For actions and following through on those. (ie Dont do this, or this will happen, they do the thing, and God does his thing).
Putting any sort of spiritual health in the hands of a person or man mad organization is really hard to do. Especially with the churches track record. It’s like going back to your husband the 10th time because ‘this time they’ve changed and won’t do it again’
My argument for the church would be this slogan I heard "don't leave Peter because of Judas". Yes, people within the Church have made mistakes but not the Church itself. God never said the rulers of the Church wouldn't make (certain) mistakes.
Also, yes Jesus paid the debt for our sins, but he isn't going to drag us back home to the Father kicking and screaming if we don't want to. Rather He, as the new Passover Lamb, offered Himself up as the perfect sacrifice. We have to use our will in order to make the decision and participate in the sacrifice of the Lamb or not.
I think actually he would drag us though. that’s exactly how we were born. None of us ‘asked’ to be born, we just were. I just can’t wrap my head around humans knowing how to do this right after doing it wrong for thousands of years.
bro
It has nothing to do with that human. All it means is the Holy Spirit protects the truth (church doctrine) by not allowing fallible humans to alter it, so that all can see the truth.
I'll explain it all really quickly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtlsNlEjTUE
Jehovah is Baal. Lucifer is Jesus.
It is the only truth in the Bible. It is hidden in plain sight.
It actually does if you were in any way knowledgeable of theology.
Meh. A theology degree only goes so far I guess?
Feel free to explain how it’s theologically sound
my theology degree doesn’t matter in this conversation simply because of your ‘no u’ argument.
If your idea of ‘it does’ is a conclusion one reaches by interpreting misc. parts of the Bible, I would argue that’s not objective fact.
Right, and the word church, commonly understood in the Bible as referencing a group of people who come together in fellowship. A practice that early Catholicism would kill people for doing (ie reading the Bible for themselves).
In order to get to the Catholic Church from here, one has to make assumptions and interpretations that first off, have no solid historically verifiable lineage, but also takes the entire thing and turns it into something Jesus actively spoke out against.
There were many early churches after Jesus’ resurrection, and theIt goal wasn’t to amass power and control people with a new set of rituals and laws, but to create a network of people connected by thei belief in Christ, but that acts and fellowships in a way that works for them.
If all these churches came from the same starting point, they would have also been a product of what Jesus said to Peter, which is that the foundation for the group of people, ( and groups comprised of people and groups comprised of groups of people, etc) that follow his teachings will come out of the work that Peter will eventually do.
Yep, quite familiar with the many different forms of Catholicism. This actually highlights the point I’m trying to make, since these churches all have one thing in common, they’re derivatives of derivatives that were formed based on a single interpretation of the Gospel Story. None of which have historical proof of being started by any of the apostles, nor is there proof that any of their rituals We’re ever practiced by anyone directly associated with Jesus.
I really suggest you talk to a priest, theologian, or even a secular expert on church history. You have so many facts wrong.
First, while the Pope is not being clear and concise, he is not a Marxist. You really need to not be hyperbolic or attribute false labels.
Also, the early Church fathers recognized the Papacy. The Church is Christ's kingdom here on Earth until He returns. The Kingdom is hierarchical. Just do a little research into the teachings of the doctors of the church like Augustine and Aquinas, also the early church martyrs, and you will see the Catholic Church.
Please review all literature from the ecumenical councils to understand the position the Pope already had during the ancient Early Church Fathers time when there was just one Catholic Church.
Catholicism didn't give birth to that, people who separated gave birth to that. It is almost like a man divorced a woman, married another and had kids, then blaming the divorced woman for those kids.
Yeah, friend, just do what I do and pray for guidance to the truth and pray for me too!
(Spoiler Alert: Praying for the truth will lead you too Catholicism though ;) haha)
Don't bother to explain it they never get it.
I'll stick to Old-Calendar Genuine Orthodox Christianity.
What is "Old-Calendar Genuine Orthodox Christianity" and how do we know that?
How convenient for you haha
Truth is pretty convenient sometimes haha
Biden is infallible when he makes Presidential decisions, everything else before that is irrelevant. I guess we'll just have to put him in office to prove it and get the perfect President.
Alright. I have no idea what you are talking about here.
never, ever, give up your guns.
Are you who they call 4chan?
I didn't have a gun, so I sold my cloak and bought one.
I came not to bring peace, but an AR-15
Bruh, stop buying Gucci cloaks.
This is the correct answer.
Am I the only one that thinks that this Pope is a Satanic plant?
My Martin Luther energy is tingling.
research the black pope. You're welcome.
So load up on ammo to stop the Catholic Army?
I'm pretty sure modern catholicism is run by jesuits
I'm pretty sure modern jesuits run the Catholic Army.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=pope+satanic&atb=v162-1&iax=images&ia=images
You can fuck off you pedo protecting bastard.
Atheist, pedo, Marxist, globalist. Honestly, it's all different names for servants of evil.
Jesuit.
We need Clement the XIV the II, yesterday.
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The Church has been infiltrated for a long time. This anti-pope has shown how corrupt the Cardinals have become.
research the black pope. Hes above the pope.
Thus the black pope holds both the title of pope and black pope.... which was my point.
One is masquerading as a pope, but he isn't. So being jesuits, they hold both titles.
There is no pope, but 2 black popes.
The pope says: you don't need guns.
The LORD says: If ye have no sword: sell your cloak and buy one.
Who do you follow?
JC, MY MAN!
Antipope Francis.
Accept it.
Long live Pope Benedict XVI!
You're not an infidel. Just a heretic. ;)
More like “die same day as Francis so we can make the Papacy great again”
You don’t see a lot of this in most good Protestant denominations where it’s heavily encouraged to actually read your own Bible regularly. A congregation reading their Bible knows this is freaking unbiblical or at least not found anywhere in scripture. Peace is great and James and Matthew are two books specifically that mention peacemakers are blessed and will raise a harvest of righteousness.. but simply owning a weapon does not encourage war or sin. Nehemiah (literally a book about building a wall to keep out the hostiles) had his men stand guard constantly at the wall with swords while it was being rebuilt. They weren’t looking for war, but there was no nonsense about everyone dropping their weapons and singing kumbaya.
Sorry to any Catholics in this thread, but my opinion is the more you study the Bible, the more you realize the pope and a lot of Catholicism contains statements and creeds that just aren’t supported by scripture. I understand tradition is important too, but if the freaking Word of God doesn’t back up your claims, I’m going to have a hard time believing them based only on tradition alone.
Hey if it means anything, I’m praying that God guides you to an amazing and supportive Christian community full of truth that doesn’t fluff itself with the BS. There’s no perfect church out there, but there are some really good ones and I hope you find one.
Worst pope ever.
As a Catholic historian, there is some HEAVY competition for title of worst pope. Francis really isn’t in the top 10.
Since he’s a total communist shill and presides over massive corruption within the Vatican, as well as institutionalizing pedophile protection, it shows you how bad our Church has had it over 2,000 years.
I personally hate the Popes who caused the Protestant Reformation and oversaw the Church’s failure to respond to Martin Luther appropriately — 2 of the last 3 Popes detailed in “The Bad Popes” are certainly in hell because of it.
Their failure left us with a completely splintered and constantly infighting visible body of Christ. Without that splintering, abortion probably would not ever had been made legal in the US (and then the world, which the US/UN pushed as part of their “women’s rights worldwide” movement).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes
From an ecclesiastical and theological point of view, Paul VI is much worse. He basically oversaw the dismantling of traditional Catholicism. Rather than get closer to the Orthodox, which would have been nice, he converted the church into a slightly more conservative and legalistic form of Anglicanism.
Francis is like Paul VI’s lame sequel.
From a moral point of view, any of the Renaissance popes are far worse than Frankie, but at least they had good taste.
Good thing everyone isn't clamoring for a new SCOTUS pick who defers to the pope.
Oh.
Apparently, Protestants don't go in for law degrees.
Funny that
Her eyes are a bit crazy and she had crazy dried worn out broom-like hair while appearing in public in front of the evil Feinstein. Weird.
Very
I don't wanna say atodaso....
HE IS NOT POPE. He is an atheist, globalist, Marxist, and thereby cannot be pope by definition.
Rumor has it that Cardinal Pell, recently exonerated of decades-old abuse accusations, told this non-pope that he would expose a cardinal, Cardinal Becciu, as a fraudster. Lo and behold, Becciu is fired. Rumor also has it that Becciu paid off Pell's "accusers" to sweep Pell out of the way so that the grift and fraud could continue. At this point, I believe it. It was all too convenient that accusations from 20+ years before materialized into criminal charges against Pell soon after he began investigating Vatican finances.
Archbishop Vigano is right. It's a worldwide conflict against demonic forces.
Do not lose faith. That is what Satan and his worldly servants want. Do not let them win over you.
why are the Vatican security guards still using guns? and why do they have an archive of CP in their basement?
There's a reason why Christians had a fucking reformation...
You all should Google Pope Francis and Evo Morales. There are lovely pics of him happily accepting the gift of a HAMMER AND SICKLE CRUCIFIX from a commie. No, I am not kidding. I’m not a Catholic anymore, I’m a Protestant, but enough Catholic feels were left in me that when I saw it I was offended and pissed off for Catholics. He is supposed to be the head of the universal church, but while some of his flock is being persecuted by communists in China, he accepted a HAMMER AND SICKLE with CHRIST nailed to it as a fucking gift. Look, I think all Popes are heretics by definition, but this one is an EXTRA heretical heretic. If I wasn’t a Protestant, I probably would be a sedevacantist now because of this Marxist snake in the Vatican.
Was JPII “the leader we expect” when he kissed that Koran?
Pope and his cohorts wear the boy pedophile symbol (triangle spiral) on their robes.
Pizza Pope Pedos.
https://novusordowatch.org/2019/08/francis-wyd-vestments-pedophile-logo/
The next Justice going to be selected for the SCOTUS says she would never go against the Pope. This is very troubling.
https://humanevents.com/2019/09/19/amy-coney-barrett-is-not-a-safe-pick-for-the-supreme-court/
Great! It'll be easier for me to take over the US with this. Thanks.
If you are anti-gun, you are pro-rape. Change my mind.
The "pope" never had the path.
The last pope lived thru WW2 and the threat of communism. He would never have said anything close to this bullshit.
Amy Coney Barrett is catholic. She’ll cuck America for the pope
Here for this. Saved me a few characters.
Hi Satan, may I interest you in a 40 cal suppository.
Bring back Father Guido Sarducci, now that guy was a pope.
Fuck the Pope
Why does everyone think Catholics blindly follow the Pope?
"There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be."-- Abp. Fulton Sheen
The Pope is a man, a man is not the Church. POTUS is always the primary leader of America but following them blindly is the opposite of encouraged. The Pope is the leader of Catholicism, the same concept applies. Also the Pope is only a leader of spirituality and religion, not of politics.
Many Catholics wouldn’t either, even if he was a good Pope.
Tiss true!
Brace for that shill to arrive and spam his ACB speech.
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The anti-Christ is in the top of the picture.
No. The pope gave his opinion. Catholics have zero obligation to follow it. Stop with the concern trolling.
Luke 22:35-36 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you out to preach the Good News and you did not have money, a traveler’s bag, or an extra pair of sandals, did you need anything?” “No,” they replied. “But now,” he said, “take your money and a traveler’s bag. And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one!
Obviously there's been many statements by this pope that aren't well conveyed. That's a legit concern. Why don't we ever talk about Methodists or Episcopalians?
Good point, they equally suck.
What is the context?
Pre-recorded message to the U.N.
Bro the pope went full-on commie with that speech. "globalisms good, individualism bad" "health care must be a basic human right" "gap of rich and poor widening due to unfair distribution of resources" "should allow mass immigration"
and lastly: "We need to dismantle the perverse logic that links personal and national security to the possession of weaponry. This logic serves only to increase the profits of the arms industry, while fostering a climate of distrust and fear between persons and peoples"
and not once did this damn traitor pope blame ANY of the world governments and leaders for all their bullshit lockdown orders and violations of personal liberties. He instead is effectively enabling them all!
I'm not surprised. Pope Francis is most likely the first heretical pope in the Church's 2000 year history.
John XII was probably first, but that's all a bit muddled in history at this point...still, horrific.
John XII certainly didn't live a pious life but I don't think he publicly declared a heretical teaching as dogma like Francis is doing.
He's allowing Catholics to divorce and remarry, amongst other things
Love it. Nice one.
As a Catholic, this Pope is a globalist plant hack. They kicked out the real Pope to push climate change and illegal immigration.
Remember the last pope was forced out and this is the globalist pick of Obama and the likes (Wikileaks)
St. John Paul II is rolling in his grave right now.
He wasn't talking about individual gun rights. He was addressing the U.N. about military technology, warfare, and nuclear weapons.
Crazy religions attract crazy people.
The pope is a pedovore and everyone knows it.
Dear Catholics, please reconsider some of your Church's traditions and beliefs. The only ones you should worship and put your faith in are the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This man does nothing special.
Exactly, try finding that in the New Testament.
Think through what you're saying. How could God come from sin?
1 Timothy 2:1-5. Christians are to pray for one another. Intercessory prayers offered by Christians on behalf of others is something “good and pleasing to God.” Don't you ask your friends and family to pray for you?
No, actually I don't. When I pray it is as Christ taught his disciples.
Christ taught us to pray for others. Matt. 5:44
That was an answer to your question not a comment on your statement. I have grown weary of your confusion. Good Day.
You seemed confused about what Christ taught. I clarified it for you. You're welcome. :)
And the blatant idolatry
We don't worship statues. Why, do you?
Whatever pagan, keep lying to yourself.
How is that worshiping a statue? Go ahead, I can't wait to hear this. :)
He's literally bowing down and praying to it, that's worship. I can dismantle your cult using scripture if you like, but you'd probably cry.
LOL, he isn't praying to the statue, how funny! Do you know what idolatry is? Idolatry is the worship of a statue or image itself, as a god. Statues and paintings are artwork, they are dead, there is nothing in them to worship. There is no god in that statue. Why would you think there was?
Bowing or kneeling in front of something doesn't always mean you're worshiping the thing in front of you. When Sean Connery knelt before QEII to be knighted, was he worshiping her? When my students in Japan bowed to me, were they worshiping me? Catholics are taught this distinction at a very young age. Didn't anyone explain it to you?
Idolatry in any form is condemned in Catholicism. The catechism (2110-2114) says this very clearly. Anyone who suggests otherwise is mistaken and/or is seriously misrepresenting Catholic teaching.
Here here heretic, let me guess your cultist arguments and debunk them for you.
Wrong.
2 Peter 1:19-20: 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Anyone with a KJV in their hand can get the sure word of prophecy. We all have the Bible, you just have to read it.
2 Timothy 3:15-16: 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
All scripture is given by God, if you disagree with it you're a heretic. Even a child can understand that. Who's to say only an "educated" priest dressed in his bedsheets can understand it?
If you think "my interpretation" is wrong, you have to prove it using scripture. (You can't.)
Also, wrong. But forget that. If Catholics really did choose the books of the Bible they did a horrendous job since so many scriptures are contrary to Catholic cultist doctrine.
Romans 4:4-5: 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
And:
Ephesians 2:8-9: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Why are you obsessed with counting beads and scoffing wafers? It's because you're in a cult.
Wrong.
Revelation 22:18: For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
If you add doctrine on top of the Bible, you're in a cult. I hear it's warm in Hell.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Man Catholicism really is a Satanic cult.
Luke 2:21-22: 21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. 22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
Mary had to follow the Law of purification according to Moses, because she was a sinner. Don't believe me?
Luke 2:24: And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.
And:
Leviticus 12:8: And if she be not able to bring a lamb, then she shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons; the one for the burnt offering, and the other for a sin offering: and the priest shall make an atonement for her, and she shall be clean.
Mary was clearly a sinner, you poor deluded soul.
1 Timothy 2:11-12: 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Why do you exalt a woman above all creation? It's because you're in a Satanic cult.
Here, pagan, I'll even give you your own "proof text."
Matthew 16:18: And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Is Peter the rock? Or is it Jesus? Let's find out, cultist.
John 2:19-21: 19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
Clearly in both Matthew 16 and John 2 Jesus was referring to himself as the rock, temple, and church. His own body. He was speaking of himself. EVEN PETER HIMSELF SAID SO:
1 Peter 2:6-7: 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
Peter understood that he was not the rock, it is JESUS. Not the pope, not Peter, but JESUS.
1 Corinthians 10:4: And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Wow, I bet you're in tears now.
Wrong again buddy.
Hebrews 10:14: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Our sins are purged by Christ and his work on the cross. You might be going to Hell but I sure ain't.
WRONG
Here, I'll give you your "proof text" again since it's obvious you've never read the Bible.
James 5:16: Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
Notice that there is no mention of sins, or a priest, OR SALVATION. This is about healing. I'll pray for you.
If you're going to confess to a priest, you know what that means? Every single saved Christian is a priest. That's what the Bible says! And not only that, the Bible shows that when we are priests we're already cleared of our sins. You don't need to confess it more.
Revelation 1:5-6: 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
You see? We don't need to confess our sins to a priest. You know why? Because a saved Christian IS A PRIEST and your sin is already forgiven and washed away! Simple! Read your Bible!
Again, you're a pagan.
Exodus 20:4-5: 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Did the verse say "thou shalt not worship the image?" NO! It said that thou shalt not make an image OR BOW DOWN TO IT. That is worship, not "veneration."
We're condemning the veneration of images here. There's nothing wrong with honouring American heros, and there's nothing wrong with bowing to a friend out of respect. But there is a problem when you combine the two!
There is a HUGE problem when you bow down in front of the image you have built! Just like your pope!
You know what God defines as Idolatry? This is what it is defined as:
Leviticus 26:1: Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
If you bow to a statue, you're in a cult. Simple. You're an ancestor worshipping pagan.
Boy oh boy, you are wrong.
Romans 8:26: Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Who is making intercession for us? Is it your dead saints? Or is it the Holy Spirit? If you're praying to a saint you're wasting your time.
Who is the Spirit of God interceding on behalf of anyway? Verse 27: And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
The saints cannot intercede in our prayers, because the Spirit is interceding the prayers of ALL SAINTS.
I bet you're red in the face right now, you should get out of this cult whilst you can.
Amen!
You went through a lot of trouble to set up a bunch of straw men to knock down. That's a popular tactic with Protestants who don't know what Catholics believe - or are afraid to address our actual beliefs. I'll address the sections of the Catechism that you cited.
Here's the actual text of 966, how strange you didn't want to include it. Why not when that's the topic of discussion you brought up? "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death." This is sourced and cited here. That is how Catholic belief is stated and defined. Our beliefs are not defined by Protestants who ignore actual text and set up straw men. :) What in those sources are you having trouble with, specifically?
Again, here is the actual text of 881-882, why avoid it? "The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the "rock" of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock. The office of binding and loosing which was given to Peter was also assigned to the college of apostles united to its head. This pastoral office of Peter and the other apostles belongs to the Church's very foundation and is continued by the bishops under the primacy of the Pope. The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter's successor, is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful. For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered."
Again, the is clearly sourced and cited here. Can you articulate what in those sources you're struggling with?
Not at all, I'm happy to discuss our beliefs. :) Aren't you? If not, why not?
Once again, why avoid the actual text? Here it is: "All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven. The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire: As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come."
Again, this is clearly sourced and cited here. What specifically in those sources troubles you?
Again, you seem to have trouble with posting the actual text. I'll help you: "The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, 'the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype,' and 'whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it.' The honor paid to sacred images is a 'respectful veneration,' not the adoration due to God alone: Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is."
Again, this is clearly sourced and cited here. What specifically in those sources troubles you?
Again, you avoided the text. "The intercession of the saints. Being more closely united to Christ, those who dwell in heaven fix the whole Church more firmly in holiness. They do not cease to intercede with the Father for us, as they proffer the merits which they acquired on earth through the one mediator between God and men, Christ Jesus.... So by their fraternal concern is our weakness greatly helped. Do not weep, for I shall be more useful to you after my death and I shall help you then more effectively than during my life. I want to spend my heaven in doing good on earth."
Clearly sourced and cited here. What specifically in those sources troubles you?
I assume you hear people say I will pray for you. Prayer is not the same as worship.
Catholics don't worship anyone but God. You have a strange misunderstanding of Catholicism.
Are you really gonna die for a 2000 year old prophet? Oh you are? Lock and load then
He will.
I’m catholic and I’m highly disappointed with this pope!
“Is the pope catholic?”
“No.”
Does a bear wear Biden stickers?
Jesus would be pro 2nd amendment
Jesus is Lucifer and yes, he is pro-2a.