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Long_time_lurker 11 points ago +16 / -5

No more than Pedes are bound to follow everything Trump has ever said on Twitter.

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Smurfection 11 points ago +15 / -4

The pope's opinion on any given subject is not considered infallible. The Pope is only infallible when he is speaking through the extraordinary Magisterium and ex cathedra (from the chair). There are very few statements that are made by popes over the centuries that rise to that level. There was one in the 19th century concerning the Immaculate Conception and another in the 20th Century concerning the Assumption. That's two, in two centuries and that's considered a lot.

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Food4thought 2 points ago +2 / -0

Well, it seems like a lot of Catholics disagree with this Pope. How about throwing him out and trying again.

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Smurfection 1 point ago +3 / -2

That's not the way it works. Assassination seems the historical method of removing a bad pope. I'm not endorsing it but Popes generally die as Popes. We've had bad Popes before. I still believe the Holy Spirit is guiding the Church but we are going to have to suffer under a Marxist Agnostic, if not atheist, Pope for a time. God's ways are His own.

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AndrewLB 2 points ago +4 / -2

My Eastern Orthodox Church aka the Orthodox Catholic Church most humbly disagrees.

We disagreed so much that we told the pope ,,I,, about 1k years ago.

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Smurfection 2 points ago +3 / -1

Umm, actually, in 1054 your Orthodox Church didn't break from the Catholic Church over the Pope, but rather over the filioque clause of the Nicene Creed. "And the son" but it was mostly a political break.

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Long_time_lurker 9 points ago +12 / -3

It's way more complicated than that. It's absolutely not the case that every random thing that he or any other pope said is gospel and statements made ex cathedra are very rare and quite unlikely to ever appear as Tweets -

"in present day conditions, when it is so easy to communicate with the most distant parts of the earth and to secure a literally universal promulgation of papal acts, the presumption is that unless the pope formally addresses the whole Church in the recognized official way, he does not intend his doctrinal teaching to be held by all the faithful as ex cathedra and infallible."

https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm

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astro_eng 10 points ago +11 / -1

Well the church is officially against abortion but hasnt excommunicated nancy or sleepy joe!

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Long_time_lurker 6 points ago +7 / -1

It's hard to make a case that that's a matter of faith or morals and it'd be extra hard to square it with Bible verses like the one where Jesus told His followers to sell their cloak and buy a sword if they had to.

In short, don't hold your breath, they don't go around making pronouncements like that much. In terms of deliberate pronouncements ex cathedra, I think there have only ever been two? Basically, it just doesn't happen most doctrine is already well-decided and not going to change.

I mean, I get what he's saying--war is hell and you don't want to start one. I'm on board with that one.

The problem is that the method is entirely wrong from what I've seen in history. Peace through strength works, surrendering your weapons when people hate you has a long history of being a really bad idea. In particular, Cambodia's king tried to disarm the people. The commies there stole the shipments of weapons and then murdered the people with their own guns.

I don't want that to happen here. Also, I'm pretty sure the church leadership is being blackmailed by Epstein types. The pope's election was not normal. I imagine they indicated that they were going to blame all the pedo scandals on the former pope and he couldn't exactly hide in the Vatican and never leave without a lot of questions, or something like that. I don't claim to actually know anything here for sure, but it makes entirely too much sense after what we read in all the leaked emails and what we know about how Epstein's blackmail operations worked.

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LainDietrich 3 points ago +3 / -0

Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility.

  • CCC 2265

Here in the states, we the people are recognized as holding legitimate authority to keep and bear arms, so such a position would be in contradiction with extant Church teaching.

Also, Papal infallibility isn't something the Pope can just "activate" whenever he wants. It's only recognized when the reigning pontiff is making explicit statements on faith or morals, and only in particular circumstances.

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MaybeKari -1 points ago +2 / -3

So what happens if this Pope does come out and say "private firearms ownership is officially against Church doctrine"? What he invokes his "this time what I'm saying is infallible" clause and makes that the official Catholic stance?

Papal teaching cannot introduce utter novelties or contradict Scripture or Tradition. Popes cannot reverse past teachings or make up new doctrines out of whole cloth.

The Catechism (2265) specifically states defense is not only a right but a grave duty and unjust aggressors can be rendered unable to cause harm. Those who legitimately hold authority have the right to use arms to repel aggressors.

How is it you are so misinformed about Catholicism??

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ThereIsABetterWay 7 points ago +10 / -3

Papal infallibility has only been used twice.

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AndrewLB -1 points ago +2 / -3

That's when true Catholics can jump ship and join their brothers and sisters with whom they split nearly 1,000 years ago. We follow the scripture and have no need for Papal Supremacy.

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ThereIsABetterWay 2 points ago +2 / -0

Good clarification.

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GoatFace 0 points ago +4 / -4

If you're not Catholic why do you care. Go be a Baptist or Morman.

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MaybeKari -4 points ago +1 / -5

Because I care that the people who are the final arbiter of what our laws are allowed to be are listening to the Constitution and only the Constitution as their basis for making their judgments. Holding some anti-American Marxist foreigner as an authority figure over what right and wrong mean is deeply untrustworthy.

Ah, so you must have had all these same concerns about Scalia... right? How did you deal with your bundle of feelings about him?

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kd5ywa 2 points ago +2 / -0

To equate Baptists to Mormons is beyond evil. One uses the Holy Bible alone to direct its path. The other believes in all manner of nonsense not found in the Holy Bible. The Catholic church is more akin to Mormon teachings in that regard.

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GoatFace 1 point ago +1 / -0

Baptist are some of the holier than thou people I have ever met. Always judging the!selves to heaven and everyone one else to hell.

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GoatFace 1 point ago +1 / -0

So the Vatican is the only foreign country who owns US realestate? The Catholic church gives more to charity then any other enity.