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jeffreyepstein 0 points ago +2 / -2

The major point of contention being that God sacrificed his son/himself to give people an opportunity ‘to be reunited’. This doesn’t make sense to me personally when Jesus’s debt paid (in full) for the sins of mankind.

I dont really see many events in the Bible that show God to say one thing but in reality has 24 pages of fine print to go along with what he’s said. Especially since biblically God has been portrayed as laying out specific consequences For actions and following through on those. (ie Dont do this, or this will happen, they do the thing, and God does his thing).

Putting any sort of spiritual health in the hands of a person or man mad organization is really hard to do. Especially with the churches track record. It’s like going back to your husband the 10th time because ‘this time they’ve changed and won’t do it again’

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Nastyfication 1 point ago +2 / -1

My argument for the church would be this slogan I heard "don't leave Peter because of Judas". Yes, people within the Church have made mistakes but not the Church itself. God never said the rulers of the Church wouldn't make (certain) mistakes.

Also, yes Jesus paid the debt for our sins, but he isn't going to drag us back home to the Father kicking and screaming if we don't want to. Rather He, as the new Passover Lamb, offered Himself up as the perfect sacrifice. We have to use our will in order to make the decision and participate in the sacrifice of the Lamb or not.

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jeffreyepstein 1 point ago +2 / -1

I think actually he would drag us though. that’s exactly how we were born. None of us ‘asked’ to be born, we just were. I just can’t wrap my head around humans knowing how to do this right after doing it wrong for thousands of years.

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Nastyfication 1 point ago +1 / -0

Through our cooperation with the grace of God.

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DoYouBelieveInMAGA 1 point ago +1 / -0

bro