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Whatever pagan, keep lying to yourself.
How is that worshiping a statue? Go ahead, I can't wait to hear this. :)
He's literally bowing down and praying to it, that's worship. I can dismantle your cult using scripture if you like, but you'd probably cry.
LOL, he isn't praying to the statue, how funny! Do you know what idolatry is? Idolatry is the worship of a statue or image itself, as a god. Statues and paintings are artwork, they are dead, there is nothing in them to worship. There is no god in that statue. Why would you think there was?
Bowing or kneeling in front of something doesn't always mean you're worshiping the thing in front of you. When Sean Connery knelt before QEII to be knighted, was he worshiping her? When my students in Japan bowed to me, were they worshiping me? Catholics are taught this distinction at a very young age. Didn't anyone explain it to you?
Idolatry in any form is condemned in Catholicism. The catechism (2110-2114) says this very clearly. Anyone who suggests otherwise is mistaken and/or is seriously misrepresenting Catholic teaching.
Again, you're a pagan.
Exodus 20:4-5: 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Did the verse say "thou shalt not worship the image?" NO! It said that thou shalt not make an image OR BOW DOWN TO IT. That is worship, not "veneration."
We're condemning the veneration of images here. There's nothing wrong with honouring American heros, and there's nothing wrong with bowing to a friend out of respect. But there is a problem when you combine the two!
There is a HUGE problem when you bow down in front of the image you have built! Just like your pope!
You know what God defines as Idolatry? This is what it is defined as:
Leviticus 26:1: Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
If you bow to a statue, you're in a cult. Simple. You're an ancestor worshipping pagan.
Here here heretic, let me guess your cultist arguments and debunk them for you.
Wrong.
2 Peter 1:19-20: 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Anyone with a KJV in their hand can get the sure word of prophecy. We all have the Bible, you just have to read it.
2 Timothy 3:15-16: 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
All scripture is given by God, if you disagree with it you're a heretic. Even a child can understand that. Who's to say only an "educated" priest dressed in his bedsheets can understand it?
If you think "my interpretation" is wrong, you have to prove it using scripture. (You can't.)
Also, wrong. But forget that. If Catholics really did choose the books of the Bible they did a horrendous job since so many scriptures are contrary to Catholic cultist doctrine.
Romans 4:4-5: 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
And:
Ephesians 2:8-9: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Why are you obsessed with counting beads and scoffing wafers? It's because you're in a cult.
Wrong.
Revelation 22:18: For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
If you add doctrine on top of the Bible, you're in a cult. I hear it's warm in Hell.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Man Catholicism really is a Satanic cult.
Luke 2:21-22: 21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. 22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
Mary had to follow the Law of purification according to Moses, because she was a sinner. Don't believe me?
Luke 2:24: And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.
And:
Leviticus 12:8: And if she be not able to bring a lamb, then she shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons; the one for the burnt offering, and the other for a sin offering: and the priest shall make an atonement for her, and she shall be clean.
Mary was clearly a sinner, you poor deluded soul.
1 Timothy 2:11-12: 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Why do you exalt a woman above all creation? It's because you're in a Satanic cult.
Here, pagan, I'll even give you your own "proof text."
Matthew 16:18: And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Is Peter the rock? Or is it Jesus? Let's find out, cultist.
John 2:19-21: 19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
Clearly in both Matthew 16 and John 2 Jesus was referring to himself as the rock, temple, and church. His own body. He was speaking of himself. EVEN PETER HIMSELF SAID SO:
1 Peter 2:6-7: 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
Peter understood that he was not the rock, it is JESUS. Not the pope, not Peter, but JESUS.
1 Corinthians 10:4: And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Wow, I bet you're in tears now.
Wrong again buddy.
Hebrews 10:14: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Our sins are purged by Christ and his work on the cross. You might be going to Hell but I sure ain't.
WRONG
Here, I'll give you your "proof text" again since it's obvious you've never read the Bible.
James 5:16: Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
Notice that there is no mention of sins, or a priest, OR SALVATION. This is about healing. I'll pray for you.
If you're going to confess to a priest, you know what that means? Every single saved Christian is a priest. That's what the Bible says! And not only that, the Bible shows that when we are priests we're already cleared of our sins. You don't need to confess it more.
Revelation 1:5-6: 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
You see? We don't need to confess our sins to a priest. You know why? Because a saved Christian IS A PRIEST and your sin is already forgiven and washed away! Simple! Read your Bible!
Again, you're a pagan.
Exodus 20:4-5: 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Did the verse say "thou shalt not worship the image?" NO! It said that thou shalt not make an image OR BOW DOWN TO IT. That is worship, not "veneration."
We're condemning the veneration of images here. There's nothing wrong with honouring American heros, and there's nothing wrong with bowing to a friend out of respect. But there is a problem when you combine the two!
There is a HUGE problem when you bow down in front of the image you have built! Just like your pope!
You know what God defines as Idolatry? This is what it is defined as:
Leviticus 26:1: Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
If you bow to a statue, you're in a cult. Simple. You're an ancestor worshipping pagan.
Boy oh boy, you are wrong.
Romans 8:26: Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Who is making intercession for us? Is it your dead saints? Or is it the Holy Spirit? If you're praying to a saint you're wasting your time.
Who is the Spirit of God interceding on behalf of anyway? Verse 27: And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
The saints cannot intercede in our prayers, because the Spirit is interceding the prayers of ALL SAINTS.
I bet you're red in the face right now, you should get out of this cult whilst you can.
Amen!
You went through a lot of trouble to set up a bunch of straw men to knock down. That's a popular tactic with Protestants who don't know what Catholics believe - or are afraid to address our actual beliefs. I'll address the sections of the Catechism that you cited.
Here's the actual text of 966, how strange you didn't want to include it. Why not when that's the topic of discussion you brought up? "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death." This is sourced and cited here. That is how Catholic belief is stated and defined. Our beliefs are not defined by Protestants who ignore actual text and set up straw men. :) What in those sources are you having trouble with, specifically?
Again, here is the actual text of 881-882, why avoid it? "The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the "rock" of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock. The office of binding and loosing which was given to Peter was also assigned to the college of apostles united to its head. This pastoral office of Peter and the other apostles belongs to the Church's very foundation and is continued by the bishops under the primacy of the Pope. The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter's successor, is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful. For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered."
Again, the is clearly sourced and cited here. Can you articulate what in those sources you're struggling with?
Not at all, I'm happy to discuss our beliefs. :) Aren't you? If not, why not?
Once again, why avoid the actual text? Here it is: "All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven. The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire: As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come."
Again, this is clearly sourced and cited here. What specifically in those sources troubles you?
Again, you seem to have trouble with posting the actual text. I'll help you: "The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, 'the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype,' and 'whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it.' The honor paid to sacred images is a 'respectful veneration,' not the adoration due to God alone: Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is."
Again, this is clearly sourced and cited here. What specifically in those sources troubles you?
Again, you avoided the text. "The intercession of the saints. Being more closely united to Christ, those who dwell in heaven fix the whole Church more firmly in holiness. They do not cease to intercede with the Father for us, as they proffer the merits which they acquired on earth through the one mediator between God and men, Christ Jesus.... So by their fraternal concern is our weakness greatly helped. Do not weep, for I shall be more useful to you after my death and I shall help you then more effectively than during my life. I want to spend my heaven in doing good on earth."
Clearly sourced and cited here. What specifically in those sources troubles you?
Hahahaha wooow you literally didn't respond to a single point I made! Classic cultist diversion tactics.
I gave you the catechism numbers so that you could look them up yourself, I'm not going to waste any more time on those Satanic documents. Thanks for pasting them here though, it makes it easier for everyone else to see how deluded you are.
How come you didn't respond to a single scripture I cited? Is it because you actually don't believe the Bible? Hmm?
You either believe the Bible, or you believe in your cult. Can't have both since they teach completely different things. You're not a Christian.
Why dance around Revelation 22:18? Here, since you obviously have very poor reading and writing comprehension I'll quote it again:
EVERY SINGLE CATECHISM IS DOCTRINE ADDED ON TOP OF THE BIBLE.
Honestly the conversation should end there, you and the rest of your cultist mates are going to have the plagues of the Bible added unto you.
Read your Bible, heretic.