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jeffreyepstein 1 point ago +2 / -1

Right, and the word church, commonly understood in the Bible as referencing a group of people who come together in fellowship. A practice that early Catholicism would kill people for doing (ie reading the Bible for themselves).

In order to get to the Catholic Church from here, one has to make assumptions and interpretations that first off, have no solid historically verifiable lineage, but also takes the entire thing and turns it into something Jesus actively spoke out against.

There were many early churches after Jesus’ resurrection, and theIt goal wasn’t to amass power and control people with a new set of rituals and laws, but to create a network of people connected by thei belief in Christ, but that acts and fellowships in a way that works for them.

If all these churches came from the same starting point, they would have also been a product of what Jesus said to Peter, which is that the foundation for the group of people, ( and groups comprised of people and groups comprised of groups of people, etc) that follow his teachings will come out of the work that Peter will eventually do.

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jeffreyepstein 0 points ago +1 / -1

Yep, quite familiar with the many different forms of Catholicism. This actually highlights the point I’m trying to make, since these churches all have one thing in common, they’re derivatives of derivatives that were formed based on a single interpretation of the Gospel Story. None of which have historical proof of being started by any of the apostles, nor is there proof that any of their rituals We’re ever practiced by anyone directly associated with Jesus.

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jeffreyepstein 1 point ago +1 / -0

Tradition is another word for my ‘derivative of derivatives’ comment. Conclusions were formed and over time people change those beliefs to match theirs. This is not an opinion this is fact

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ajmlecciones 1 point ago +1 / -0

I really suggest you talk to a priest, theologian, or even a secular expert on church history. You have so many facts wrong.