Yanno, I used to disagree with the message that "You need to depend on Christianity for morals" But now that I've seen what America has turned into... I kind of want those moral christian values back. Plus Ironically we draw from those traditional christian values every day of our life. So it makes sense.
Not everyone has an inner voice telling them what's right or wrong. I used to think they did. Or, they don't listen to it. Either way, same thing. In any case, most of those values are just common sense. They come back to you more than if you try to bypass them. It's, just, how it is.
Same. I thought everybody has to be yanno... Sentient. But these Antifa people just..... Would it be OK to say they act like Animals? Because they literally have no humanity. it's just all Animistic instinct to them
blm chants "say his name" as satanic ritual trying to conjure evil spirits. This is why they only take up the cause of the most evil. Everyone participating is exposed.
There's a process here, and they're trying to produce an effective paramilitary force. They're more lethal now than they were 3 months ago.
It’s not a bad thing to follow a doctrine that has lasted thousands of years and created the most advanced and free societies the world has ever known.
Yeah, I'm about 90% certain the reason the Dark Ages line up within about 500 years of Islam coming on the scene was because Islam put countless libraries to the torch. They literally burned hundreds of years of cultural and intellectual development and set the world back because, "mUhh PrOOpheT MuiHamMad".
What you argued here reflects on the indoctrination that many high school students are being exposed to when it comes to history.
Misconception 01: Roman Civilization collapsed.
The reality is that Roman civilization went through a "restructuring". The last part of Roman History, the "Late Antiquity", is a period of time when what we know of Roman Civilization, portrayed in our movies, transitioned into what we associate with Medieval Europe. Europe "looked Medieval" long before the end of the last Western Roman Emperor's rule.
Roman civilization transformed into Medieval civilization, which transformed into Renaissance civilization then modern western civilization. The Roman political infrastructure and organization collapsed, but western civilization continued on. The main reason for this will be addressed with the next misconception.
Misconception 02: Church was "anti-intellectual"
This is a false statement. The church was heavy on preserving the ancient knowledge... And on building it. Many of the Germanic tribes that entered the Western Roman Empire were also Christians. However, they did not know how to administer the cities and towns that they ended up dominating. Additionally, converting to the form of Christianity practiced by the Roman population was a way for the Germanic kings to gain legitimacy with them.
This created a working relation between the Church and the Germanic Kings. The Church administered the towns/cities while providing a source of unity. The Germanic Kings, like the later Roman Emperors, saw the unifying force that Christianity made possible. The Germanic tribes/kingdoms adapted the Roman ways.
The church leveraged this to convince the Germanic Kings to support the church's initiatives to preserve and develop knowledge. It is also the philosophy of the church that contributed to the continued search and expansion of knowledge. It was one way to get closer to God… Understanding his creation better. You touched on this in your response, but did not connected with a complete set of facts.
Collectively, their efforts led to development of what would eventually become "the scientific method". Associated with this effort was a standing up of what would eventually become the West's university systems. The first universities, in the West, started on church campuses.
Misconception 03: Galileo was persecuted for his sun-centrist solar system theory
This is one example that people use to criticize the church, and claim that it was "anti-scientific". As I mentioned above, it was the church that developed what would eventually become the scientific method.
The Pope had given Galileo an audience to explain his sun centered universe theory. This was not an argument about whether the earth or the sun was the center of the solar system or not. This was an argument as to whether the earth, or the sun, was the center of the universe.
As of the time this was occurring, the church was funding a group of Christians who were working to mathematically prove that the earth orbited the sun. Until then, even if the evidence was strong toward the earth orbiting the sun, the entire concept was still a theory. They did not have sufficient evidence. Galileo was told that he could go ahead and publish his work with the disclaimer that it was a theory.
He didn't. He published his work as if it were a fact and he mocked the Pope. At that time, he came across as a "conspiracy theorist" would today. It wasn't just the church that thought that the earth was the center of the universe. Everybody and his brother did. People relied on watching the constellations in the sky, and the moon, during the year, in order to plan their farming and other seasonal activities. It appeared, to them, that the whole universe went around the earth.
So, the outcome was inevitable.
Misconception 04: the church held back scientific/technological progress
This is false. In addition to the church developing the scientific method, they incorporated the concept of continuous technological improvements. Prior to that, a revolution in technology was not always followed by additional revolutions in technology. People used the same technology for centuries, even millennia. The church's efforts, to preserve knowledge, and to develop it, brought us into an era of continuous technological innovation.
In fact, Christian monks would have introduced the Industrial Revolution in Europe centuries earlier had it not been "stopped" by political effort.
It was no accident that the West emerged from the medieval period to achieve greatness compared to the other civilizations. The West still leads today, with United States as its standard bearer.
The anti-intellectualism and priest class of the church is what kept it there.
You misspelled Islam and the bubonic plague.
The dark ages weren't just marked by the Roman collapse (which had nothing to do with "degeneracy")
Please present evidence to support your position that Roman collapse had nothing to do with degeneracy.
but the period afterwards in which scientific and artistic advancement stagnated. This was because the priest class asserted that all truth was in the bible, and more specifically their interpretation of it.
Yes, surely the stagnation of scientific and artistic advancement had nothing to do with hundreds of years of unending raids from floor worshipers all over the Mediterranean, even as far away as Ireland. Everybody knows that painting, sculpting, and research can be successfully achieved despite hundreds of years of surprise raids by black rock worshippers.
The enlightenment period was more a rejection of the priest class and the infallibility of the bible,
Martin Luther has entered the chat.
but not a rejection of Christianity. The artists and scientists believed that science was a way to understand god, as it's literally the study of god's creation.
Well look at that, we actually agree on something.
You clearly have no idea what collapsed the European economy into the dark ages. It was loss of trade across the Mediterranean. Look at when the collapse occurred, and compare it to the rise of Islam.
It is poverty that prevented people from literacy, learning, and meaningful Christianity.
You have your horse and your carriage thoroughly confused.
The problem with that is that even if you keep the good parts of the philosophy, the metaphysical portion is bunk.
Do you have any non-metaphysical or physical evidence to support your position?
Technically, Christian philosophy got us out of the dark ages, but Christian religion got us into it in the first place.
Officially, Christian philosophy and values upon which we founded the most successful and just countries on Earth is what got us out of the dark ages. To blame the "Christian religion" for getting us "into it in the first place" is to willfully ignore the absolutely destructive and destabilizing force that was brought by bloodthirsty savages bursting out of the Arabian peninsula from the 600s onward. These gullible imbeciles raped, stole, killed, and destroyed everything in their way in the name of a false god, and for the ultimate hope of gaining the opportunity to rape 72 giant, transparent-skinned, perpetual virgins for eternity. This calamity is what really destabilized what was at the time a prosperous region, full of trans-Mediterranean trade and a common faith and culture. Remember that this tragedy did not only advance by land, but that it raided towns across the Mediterranean, everywhere, unpredictably and without pause for hundreds of years. This is what got us into, and kept us in the dark ages.
I interpret a lot of the bible as symbology rather than literal events to teach the ethics in a way people can understand in a time when literacy was rare. I still believe in God and accept Jesus, just don't follow organized religion. I think it has a lot to do with not having that sort of community in my life and growing up in a leftist degenerate shithole of a city, and that sort of organized religion is probably good overall.
People in the US aren't raised anymore by other people. They're just given daycare and vidya. That inner voice usually isn't spontaneous, but rather needs to be taught and developed in most people by the people raising them.
That's crazy, saying to not touch something that is so hot you can feel the heat coming off of it is also common sense, unfortunately the University education system in the US trains that out of people to the point they couldn't find their ass without a textbook telling them where it is.
That, in and of itself, has me pretty down, even if magically Trump undoes 20 years of indoctrination in the next eight, it'll take 20 years at least to undue all the issues caused by the Democrats
"they couldn't find their ass without a textbook". That's a great phrase. I could picture the kid looking up the book and the book describing "your ass is located on top of your legs and below your spine."
Also, it seems to me, outside of math, science and foreign language, it might be better to learn without a textbook.
I feel the same way, though to be fair, I feel like all this shit started with George Bush and his No Child Left Behind where they dumbed down the American education system to the point an idiot can pass high school.
I've said for years, as an atheist, that the 10 Commandments aren't a bad way to live. You don't have to follow all of them, and to the letter, but they're a pretty damned good moral code as a basis. Our code of law is based on them.
Without God, without Christ and His Holy Spirit, "morality" and a sense of right and wrong is unknowable and unattainable.
Am I saying that people who have faith in God have an unquestioned compass of right and wrong and flawless morality? Absolutely not. We're still flawed human beings with a sinful nature.
Am I saying that people who lack faith in God have no ability to act in the "right" way occasionally, or even frequently? Absolutely not.
What I am saying is that without God and His word as your guiding compass, you are wholly separate from the light and can only continue to fumble in the darkness. Sometimes you will make right and just choices. Often times you will not, thinking that you in fact are. But without Him, you are building your worldly sense of morality, justice and "rightness" on a fundamentally flawed foundation.
It cannot and will not co-exist alongside the perfect and complete righteousness of God. No amount of wailing or gnashing of teeth will change this.
See, I like to believe personally (And I've heard this sect of Christianity before) But that God was a logical being, and he created us to be logical creatures who use Logic and reasoning to decide things. His words in turn, are logical and reasonable. While a lot of the lessons in the bible have what I consider "set dressing" when you remove all of the set dressing, and get down to brass tacks, they're pretty logical and reasonable ways to live. Now obviously I'm not a dyed in the wool perfect christian, but I try to follow his light and I try to live up to his moral standard.
Set dressing is cultural context. Add to that linguistic difficulties, ironing those out not in English but getting a better gist of what the original language is trying to convey which can be done without having to learn the actual language
and you've got most of Scriptural understanding. This is why it's good to caution against reading the whole Bible through for the first time by beginning in Genesis and just going to the end. If you start in John and go to the end you encounter a much more confined "set dressing," and at least the language functions somewhat like our own.
I don't think morality is unknowable and unattainable without God. I believe that morals and ethics came before - If I live in a community where I make tools and my neighbor grows wheat, I know that by killing my neighbor I can't barter for wheat any longer, for example. I think that morals and ethics, in their basic principles, are based in selfishness/survival in communities. I think religion drastically helped spread the basics of morals, however I don't believe religion is the basis.
Justice, mercy, and faithfulness, as Christ pointed out in Matthew 23:23 are the more important matters of "the law". Without any one of them you will end up in chaos.
In Rome, unwanted babies were thrown in the trash. Literally.
Christians adopted them, and this helped Christianity grow.
Might be the reason they prefer the children be murdered?
I'm on the same wavelength, sometimes I refer to it as being "culturally Christian". I don't believe in God but I'm 100% down with western civilization and think Christianity is good for society as a whole. And I hate Islam.
I thought we should have physically removed 40+ Governors from Office under citizens arrest for mass murder on 3/31. That still might be our best bet. I predicted our next opportunities would coincide with the election, which is the minimum waiting espoused here. I point out that after fraudulent election results are announced, our position weakens horribly. Our next opportunity ia when we're outnumbered at our homes, and "winning" means fighting to the death and taking out as many as possible. They do eun out of people willing to try before qe run out of people willing to die, but obviously Pepe needs to jump out of the boiling pot before then.
People that think morality that doesn't have a final authority that rests on a Creator, and can therefore change with the wind show the most basal intelligence I can think of.
it's called pseudo intelligence from the most basic people who think they are larger than life because they have an opinion. An opinion that used to be edgy but is now the norm, like body piercings and dyed hair.
People like that think they are the next Elon Musk just for breathing. SAD!
No one knows this shit better than me because I used to be one too. Follow the light!
I don't have any tattoos - I just don't want one. Never have. But I get weird looks, like there's something wrong with me. If you have them, cool. Whatever. I have no fucks.
I can overlook one tattoo on a woman, depending on where it is, and how well it's drawn. Beyond that - I lose all interest. I just know I don't want anything to do with a woman who scrawls on her body like a child does on the wall with crayons - and has such a feeble ego they need to. And, it doesn't look good. It looks trashy. Full sleeves? Too much baggage to go near, she's trying to prove something to someone, and I want nothing to do with it. Been there, done that, have the emotional scars and repaired drywall.
Based and redpilled. I get weird looks when I say I don't want to dye my hair or get tattoos. I feel the exact same way you do about them. One is okay, like in rememberance a loved one. But a bunch for the sake of it is gross.
I never wanted one since I was a child lol. I want to live as close as I can with my body as-is. If my hair turns gray so be it. Why hide it?
Not religious at all, in fact I hate religion and know that it caused problems in my life. Difference between these libtards and republicans is that I will fight side by side to defend religious rights because I believe in the Laws that’s made the US the greatest country on earth.
Same here, I'm agnostic, I despise proselytizers of all kinds, religious OR atheist. I'm going to side with whoever is most likely to leave me the fuck alone which is Republicans by far.
Religion and being a Christian are two different things. We are commanded in the Bible to meet with fellow believers for support, encouragement, edification and to take communion. Any time people start bastardizing Christ's teaching and God's word, the door is opened for every manner of wrong teaching. We can do good without being religious but this country was founded on God's principles, good stuff. When people put on fancy garb, put themselves over others and seek to be an authority on things that often go against God's word, trouble will follow. The Word of God is the sword of the Spirit. We should weild it with power, God's power, not ours.
It’s reddit. Where spez edits comments, threw us off the platform and still allows threats against the police, child porn, other porn, and rejects freedom.
Who gives a fuck, the day is coming when all these fake balless homos with a keyboard have no platform, because we are going to destroy their ability to have one, they keystrokes will be going nowhere
"Western civilization is a complete and utter failure!"
Sent from my iPhone at Starbucks where I'm in excellent health while being in my thirties and don't feel mortally threatened in any way after arriving in my new Prius that I paid for with my bonus and my rich Aunt's inheritance
They forget which side has all the guns and ammunition. If there's one thing to thank for this shortage, it's less guns get in the hands of communists who are too weak to go the black market route.
These communist fascist scum on reddit want to ban people for posting anything helicopter related, but its all about free speech when these brainlets mention "Punching a Nazi" or "Cement Milkshaking" or anything "molotov of peace" related.
You are actually correct: nobody should give a shit about getting banned from garbage platforms .. OP's post of a bullshit ban is more proof that they are all just circle jerks that are run by leftists on leftist platforms.
But, your trolling style earns all the downJoes .. and rightly so. Obvious plebitter is gonna plebbit.
Fucknugget wanted to string me up by the neck on a back of a motorbike and ride around Rome 7 times.
Ironically these same people were arguing that atheists have morals and western civilization doesn't depend Christianity for morals.
LOL
Edit: Oh fuck i got stickied.
Fun fact: first sticky since joining T_D in 2015.
Fun fact 2: I wanted to use this as my image but it didn't want to upload. GIFs suck.
https://kekpe.pe/i/5f6f8f4e213d8.GIF
Yanno, I used to disagree with the message that "You need to depend on Christianity for morals" But now that I've seen what America has turned into... I kind of want those moral christian values back. Plus Ironically we draw from those traditional christian values every day of our life. So it makes sense.
Not everyone has an inner voice telling them what's right or wrong. I used to think they did. Or, they don't listen to it. Either way, same thing. In any case, most of those values are just common sense. They come back to you more than if you try to bypass them. It's, just, how it is.
Yep, Some people are un-ironically NPCs, And it's honestly a little scary.
I used to think it was just a meme. Now I'm not so sure.
Same. I thought everybody has to be yanno... Sentient. But these Antifa people just..... Would it be OK to say they act like Animals? Because they literally have no humanity. it's just all Animistic instinct to them
blm chants "say his name" as satanic ritual trying to conjure evil spirits. This is why they only take up the cause of the most evil. Everyone participating is exposed.
There's a process here, and they're trying to produce an effective paramilitary force. They're more lethal now than they were 3 months ago.
It’s not a bad thing to follow a doctrine that has lasted thousands of years and created the most advanced and free societies the world has ever known.
Yeah, I'm about 90% certain the reason the Dark Ages line up within about 500 years of Islam coming on the scene was because Islam put countless libraries to the torch. They literally burned hundreds of years of cultural and intellectual development and set the world back because, "mUhh PrOOpheT MuiHamMad".
You thought correctly. I teach ancient history.
My ancestors the Vikings had something to do with that, too! I'm kinda proud that a motley crew could defeat the greatest military ever known.
Also, not taught, is Islam's deliberate destruction of European trade. The resulting poverty crushed society.
All these factors combined.
It was degeneracy plus letting hordes of barbarians settle inside of their empire...
What you argued here reflects on the indoctrination that many high school students are being exposed to when it comes to history.
Misconception 01: Roman Civilization collapsed.
The reality is that Roman civilization went through a "restructuring". The last part of Roman History, the "Late Antiquity", is a period of time when what we know of Roman Civilization, portrayed in our movies, transitioned into what we associate with Medieval Europe. Europe "looked Medieval" long before the end of the last Western Roman Emperor's rule.
Roman civilization transformed into Medieval civilization, which transformed into Renaissance civilization then modern western civilization. The Roman political infrastructure and organization collapsed, but western civilization continued on. The main reason for this will be addressed with the next misconception.
Misconception 02: Church was "anti-intellectual"
This is a false statement. The church was heavy on preserving the ancient knowledge... And on building it. Many of the Germanic tribes that entered the Western Roman Empire were also Christians. However, they did not know how to administer the cities and towns that they ended up dominating. Additionally, converting to the form of Christianity practiced by the Roman population was a way for the Germanic kings to gain legitimacy with them.
This created a working relation between the Church and the Germanic Kings. The Church administered the towns/cities while providing a source of unity. The Germanic Kings, like the later Roman Emperors, saw the unifying force that Christianity made possible. The Germanic tribes/kingdoms adapted the Roman ways.
The church leveraged this to convince the Germanic Kings to support the church's initiatives to preserve and develop knowledge. It is also the philosophy of the church that contributed to the continued search and expansion of knowledge. It was one way to get closer to God… Understanding his creation better. You touched on this in your response, but did not connected with a complete set of facts.
Collectively, their efforts led to development of what would eventually become "the scientific method". Associated with this effort was a standing up of what would eventually become the West's university systems. The first universities, in the West, started on church campuses.
Misconception 03: Galileo was persecuted for his sun-centrist solar system theory
This is one example that people use to criticize the church, and claim that it was "anti-scientific". As I mentioned above, it was the church that developed what would eventually become the scientific method.
The Pope had given Galileo an audience to explain his sun centered universe theory. This was not an argument about whether the earth or the sun was the center of the solar system or not. This was an argument as to whether the earth, or the sun, was the center of the universe.
As of the time this was occurring, the church was funding a group of Christians who were working to mathematically prove that the earth orbited the sun. Until then, even if the evidence was strong toward the earth orbiting the sun, the entire concept was still a theory. They did not have sufficient evidence. Galileo was told that he could go ahead and publish his work with the disclaimer that it was a theory.
He didn't. He published his work as if it were a fact and he mocked the Pope. At that time, he came across as a "conspiracy theorist" would today. It wasn't just the church that thought that the earth was the center of the universe. Everybody and his brother did. People relied on watching the constellations in the sky, and the moon, during the year, in order to plan their farming and other seasonal activities. It appeared, to them, that the whole universe went around the earth.
So, the outcome was inevitable.
Misconception 04: the church held back scientific/technological progress
This is false. In addition to the church developing the scientific method, they incorporated the concept of continuous technological improvements. Prior to that, a revolution in technology was not always followed by additional revolutions in technology. People used the same technology for centuries, even millennia. The church's efforts, to preserve knowledge, and to develop it, brought us into an era of continuous technological innovation.
In fact, Christian monks would have introduced the Industrial Revolution in Europe centuries earlier had it not been "stopped" by political effort.
It was no accident that the West emerged from the medieval period to achieve greatness compared to the other civilizations. The West still leads today, with United States as its standard bearer.
You misspelled Islam and the bubonic plague.
Please present evidence to support your position that Roman collapse had nothing to do with degeneracy.
Yes, surely the stagnation of scientific and artistic advancement had nothing to do with hundreds of years of unending raids from floor worshipers all over the Mediterranean, even as far away as Ireland. Everybody knows that painting, sculpting, and research can be successfully achieved despite hundreds of years of surprise raids by black rock worshippers.
Martin Luther has entered the chat.
Well look at that, we actually agree on something.
You clearly have no idea what collapsed the European economy into the dark ages. It was loss of trade across the Mediterranean. Look at when the collapse occurred, and compare it to the rise of Islam.
It is poverty that prevented people from literacy, learning, and meaningful Christianity.
You have your horse and your carriage thoroughly confused.
You're ignorant of facts. Is that because you're poor? I doubt it. You could learn, but you apparently prefer to remain ignorant.
Do you have any non-metaphysical or physical evidence to support your position?
Officially, Christian philosophy and values upon which we founded the most successful and just countries on Earth is what got us out of the dark ages. To blame the "Christian religion" for getting us "into it in the first place" is to willfully ignore the absolutely destructive and destabilizing force that was brought by bloodthirsty savages bursting out of the Arabian peninsula from the 600s onward. These gullible imbeciles raped, stole, killed, and destroyed everything in their way in the name of a false god, and for the ultimate hope of gaining the opportunity to rape 72 giant, transparent-skinned, perpetual virgins for eternity. This calamity is what really destabilized what was at the time a prosperous region, full of trans-Mediterranean trade and a common faith and culture. Remember that this tragedy did not only advance by land, but that it raided towns across the Mediterranean, everywhere, unpredictably and without pause for hundreds of years. This is what got us into, and kept us in the dark ages.
Here is a summary in two mins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuxqXjhl13Y
Five minute summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo
Here is a the more detailed version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wugWj42pLI
I interpret a lot of the bible as symbology rather than literal events to teach the ethics in a way people can understand in a time when literacy was rare. I still believe in God and accept Jesus, just don't follow organized religion. I think it has a lot to do with not having that sort of community in my life and growing up in a leftist degenerate shithole of a city, and that sort of organized religion is probably good overall.
People in the US aren't raised anymore by other people. They're just given daycare and vidya. That inner voice usually isn't spontaneous, but rather needs to be taught and developed in most people by the people raising them.
That's crazy, saying to not touch something that is so hot you can feel the heat coming off of it is also common sense, unfortunately the University education system in the US trains that out of people to the point they couldn't find their ass without a textbook telling them where it is.
It's not that their heads are empty, they are full of what isn't true.
That, in and of itself, has me pretty down, even if magically Trump undoes 20 years of indoctrination in the next eight, it'll take 20 years at least to undue all the issues caused by the Democrats
"they couldn't find their ass without a textbook". That's a great phrase. I could picture the kid looking up the book and the book describing "your ass is located on top of your legs and below your spine."
Also, it seems to me, outside of math, science and foreign language, it might be better to learn without a textbook.
I feel the same way, though to be fair, I feel like all this shit started with George Bush and his No Child Left Behind where they dumbed down the American education system to the point an idiot can pass high school.
You sound like a leftist, math is that example 2+2 ALWAYS equals 4, no matter how much you scream
Enter a standard of truth.
Is it true that there is no clear delineation of that sort of example, and things that are objectively untrue?
You're engaging in post-mpost-modernism.
You say this only because you lack it.
I've said for years, as an atheist, that the 10 Commandments aren't a bad way to live. You don't have to follow all of them, and to the letter, but they're a pretty damned good moral code as a basis. Our code of law is based on them.
Yep. I try to live by them and other morals, I'm not perfect but damn do I try to live my best life
See? This guy gets it.
100% same.
Meh, I'm an atheist, still pro-life. Don't need the bible to know killing babies is wrong.
Just like with harming domesticated animals, Babies while they can't verbalize like us grown up humans, are still humans and should be protected.
Same, but we're the exception, not the rule. I think most people, based on where we're at today, absolutely do need the bible to tell them that.
Without God, without Christ and His Holy Spirit, "morality" and a sense of right and wrong is unknowable and unattainable.
Am I saying that people who have faith in God have an unquestioned compass of right and wrong and flawless morality? Absolutely not. We're still flawed human beings with a sinful nature.
Am I saying that people who lack faith in God have no ability to act in the "right" way occasionally, or even frequently? Absolutely not.
What I am saying is that without God and His word as your guiding compass, you are wholly separate from the light and can only continue to fumble in the darkness. Sometimes you will make right and just choices. Often times you will not, thinking that you in fact are. But without Him, you are building your worldly sense of morality, justice and "rightness" on a fundamentally flawed foundation.
It cannot and will not co-exist alongside the perfect and complete righteousness of God. No amount of wailing or gnashing of teeth will change this.
See, I like to believe personally (And I've heard this sect of Christianity before) But that God was a logical being, and he created us to be logical creatures who use Logic and reasoning to decide things. His words in turn, are logical and reasonable. While a lot of the lessons in the bible have what I consider "set dressing" when you remove all of the set dressing, and get down to brass tacks, they're pretty logical and reasonable ways to live. Now obviously I'm not a dyed in the wool perfect christian, but I try to follow his light and I try to live up to his moral standard.
Set dressing is cultural context. Add to that linguistic difficulties, ironing those out not in English but getting a better gist of what the original language is trying to convey which can be done without having to learn the actual language
and you've got most of Scriptural understanding. This is why it's good to caution against reading the whole Bible through for the first time by beginning in Genesis and just going to the end. If you start in John and go to the end you encounter a much more confined "set dressing," and at least the language functions somewhat like our own.
From there, the OT is much more approachable.
I don't think morality is unknowable and unattainable without God. I believe that morals and ethics came before - If I live in a community where I make tools and my neighbor grows wheat, I know that by killing my neighbor I can't barter for wheat any longer, for example. I think that morals and ethics, in their basic principles, are based in selfishness/survival in communities. I think religion drastically helped spread the basics of morals, however I don't believe religion is the basis.
I don't believe religion is the basis, either.
Quite the opposite, I think religion is a bane to morality much of the time.
I believe that Jesus is the basis to morality. Pure and simple.
Justice, mercy, and faithfulness, as Christ pointed out in Matthew 23:23 are the more important matters of "the law". Without any one of them you will end up in chaos.
In Rome, unwanted babies were thrown in the trash. Literally.
Christians adopted them, and this helped Christianity grow.
Might be the reason they prefer the children be murdered?
Maybe actually. I'm no Theological or spiritual scholar, but the moral ethics of the far left at this point would make anybody rational scream.
Insightful comment!
“i DoNt NeEd gOd To TeLl Me MuRdEr Is BaD”
Laughs when Sentinelese spear a Christian for landing on their beach and offering the gospel
I’m so sick of the double mindedness.
I'm on the same wavelength, sometimes I refer to it as being "culturally Christian". I don't believe in God but I'm 100% down with western civilization and think Christianity is good for society as a whole. And I hate Islam.
Sounds remarkably like the original purpose of Proud Boys. And I mean that as a good thing.
Deus vult!!
I thought we should have physically removed 40+ Governors from Office under citizens arrest for mass murder on 3/31. That still might be our best bet. I predicted our next opportunities would coincide with the election, which is the minimum waiting espoused here. I point out that after fraudulent election results are announced, our position weakens horribly. Our next opportunity ia when we're outnumbered at our homes, and "winning" means fighting to the death and taking out as many as possible. They do eun out of people willing to try before qe run out of people willing to die, but obviously Pepe needs to jump out of the boiling pot before then.
People that think morality that doesn't have a final authority that rests on a Creator, and can therefore change with the wind show the most basal intelligence I can think of.
it's called pseudo intelligence from the most basic people who think they are larger than life because they have an opinion. An opinion that used to be edgy but is now the norm, like body piercings and dyed hair.
People like that think they are the next Elon Musk just for breathing. SAD!
No one knows this shit better than me because I used to be one too. Follow the light!
I don't have any tattoos - I just don't want one. Never have. But I get weird looks, like there's something wrong with me. If you have them, cool. Whatever. I have no fucks.
I can overlook one tattoo on a woman, depending on where it is, and how well it's drawn. Beyond that - I lose all interest. I just know I don't want anything to do with a woman who scrawls on her body like a child does on the wall with crayons - and has such a feeble ego they need to. And, it doesn't look good. It looks trashy. Full sleeves? Too much baggage to go near, she's trying to prove something to someone, and I want nothing to do with it. Been there, done that, have the emotional scars and repaired drywall.
Based and redpilled. I get weird looks when I say I don't want to dye my hair or get tattoos. I feel the exact same way you do about them. One is okay, like in rememberance a loved one. But a bunch for the sake of it is gross.
I never wanted one since I was a child lol. I want to live as close as I can with my body as-is. If my hair turns gray so be it. Why hide it?
Here's a song that conveys that same message:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MTPjb_amfsE
That's the original version. At least two other bands modernized it.
Not religious at all, in fact I hate religion and know that it caused problems in my life. Difference between these libtards and republicans is that I will fight side by side to defend religious rights because I believe in the Laws that’s made the US the greatest country on earth.
And that's okay! I don't care if someone is atheist as long as they admit Christianity built this nation, Her laws, and morality.
Any atheist that can read can admit that. It used to be commonplace!
Right on brotha
I don’t believe in atheists.
Same here, I'm agnostic, I despise proselytizers of all kinds, religious OR atheist. I'm going to side with whoever is most likely to leave me the fuck alone which is Republicans by far.
Ya gotta give props to the guy yelling "Jesus saves" as Schumer was trying to give a speech though. Did you see that?
Master level trolling by that guy.
Classy Ladies Drink MAGA-Cola
MAGA-Yello is even better
Been a min since I had some mellow
Actually, I believe that’s Pinochet Punch.
Affirmative
I'm not a religious man, but I'd take Christ over communism any day.
Yep. I tell my church-going friends that I'm not into the whole faith thing, but when the shooting starts I'll be shoulder to shoulder with them.
Christ: "let him who is without sin, cast the first stone"
Communism: *Hippity Hoppity your life is now my property*
Yeah, I will take Christ over the commies. Not a religious man, either.
This, THIS IS going to get me another ban on social media today!
The ability to ban people was the worst invention of the internet.
Censorship is wrong.
Fuck yea. We have the best memes.
This is our home. Here we are free.
We may need to start considering a boyscout style sash that we can put badges on to show our meme war accomplishments.
Religion and being a Christian are two different things. We are commanded in the Bible to meet with fellow believers for support, encouragement, edification and to take communion. Any time people start bastardizing Christ's teaching and God's word, the door is opened for every manner of wrong teaching. We can do good without being religious but this country was founded on God's principles, good stuff. When people put on fancy garb, put themselves over others and seek to be an authority on things that often go against God's word, trouble will follow. The Word of God is the sword of the Spirit. We should weild it with power, God's power, not ours.
Good stuff, Brother!
It’s reddit. Where spez edits comments, threw us off the platform and still allows threats against the police, child porn, other porn, and rejects freedom.
Reddit is dead to us
I got banned from everything nearly for saying the truth- that Michelle Obama is a man
Truth is stranger than fiction. Truth is also hard to hear.
<3 I love you Brave Warrior <3
Lovely!
Morals and Ethics come directly from God.
You are born knowing it’s wrong to hit your Mother.
Oxymoron?
What about people who don't know right from wrong who do hurt or kill their mothers, such as radical leftists?
Everyone on this planet knows right from wrong...you’re born knowing it.
The voice in you’re mind telling you not to do something because it’s wrong and evil is God himself.
When you choose to do wrong and evil you are denying God and his morals and ethics.
It’s only when you reach a certain point within the void of Chaos and dwell in the darkness you then loose all morality.
Something else must fill the void.
They may do evil but they know it’s evil. There is no way around it,
I disagree. Psychopaths don't have an inner voice.
Yes they do. Every one of them shows body language that proves they know what they did was wrong and evil.
They just choose to do what Satan wants.
They are willingly disobeying God...
Scriptural term: don't know their right hand from their left .
This was used to describe the region Saddam Hussein was born in.
Who gives a fuck, the day is coming when all these fake balless homos with a keyboard have no platform, because we are going to destroy their ability to have one, they keystrokes will be going nowhere
Until then they control everything and must be confronted.
THE ONLY WAY OUT IS THROUGH
TRUMP 2020
"Western civilization is a complete and utter failure!"
What'd you post that got you banned?
A discussion offshoot from a meme channel called @thememaly on Telegram.
Fake Christians should be ridiculed and mocked ceaselessly.
They forget which side has all the guns and ammunition. If there's one thing to thank for this shortage, it's less guns get in the hands of communists who are too weak to go the black market route.
HOLY CHRIST ON A CRACKER I'M STICKIED
IVE BEEN PART OF THE DONALD SINCE 2015 AND THIS IS THE FIRST STICKY FOR ME
AHHHHHHHHHH---
Sauce?
+1 for fucknugget.
These communist fascist scum on reddit want to ban people for posting anything helicopter related, but its all about free speech when these brainlets mention "Punching a Nazi" or "Cement Milkshaking" or anything "molotov of peace" related.
JUST LIKE DRUMPHTARDS TO DROWN PEOPLE IN A DRINK MADE OF WATER STOLEN FROM OUR INDIGENOUS DUDEARINOS LOL
SO TYPICAL
If someone put this on a T Shirt I'd buy several.
Same situation with me happened. Slightly different situation but same end result.
Just remember on your worst day you're far better than they are on their best day.
Whine some more no one gives a shit about you getting banned from some shit platform, neither should you.
You big mad, smol pp
Shhh... Chill.
This is what winning looks like. You’re all the way over here. Y’all don’t even understand how pathetic that is.
You are actually correct: nobody should give a shit about getting banned from garbage platforms .. OP's post of a bullshit ban is more proof that they are all just circle jerks that are run by leftists on leftist platforms.
But, your trolling style earns all the downJoes .. and rightly so. Obvious plebitter is gonna plebbit.
kek
Bingo.
Is there anyone here who doesn't know what the fuck is going on with big tech? The whining gets old.
Step it up. Ceding ground is getting old too.
I don't know when DJT's EO is going to take effect, but we need that NOW.
The predicted blackout of all things Trump is happening, and might affect the election.