Yanno, I used to disagree with the message that "You need to depend on Christianity for morals" But now that I've seen what America has turned into... I kind of want those moral christian values back. Plus Ironically we draw from those traditional christian values every day of our life. So it makes sense.
Not everyone has an inner voice telling them what's right or wrong. I used to think they did. Or, they don't listen to it. Either way, same thing. In any case, most of those values are just common sense. They come back to you more than if you try to bypass them. It's, just, how it is.
It’s not a bad thing to follow a doctrine that has lasted thousands of years and created the most advanced and free societies the world has ever known.
People in the US aren't raised anymore by other people. They're just given daycare and vidya. That inner voice usually isn't spontaneous, but rather needs to be taught and developed in most people by the people raising them.
That's crazy, saying to not touch something that is so hot you can feel the heat coming off of it is also common sense, unfortunately the University education system in the US trains that out of people to the point they couldn't find their ass without a textbook telling them where it is.
I've said for years, as an atheist, that the 10 Commandments aren't a bad way to live. You don't have to follow all of them, and to the letter, but they're a pretty damned good moral code as a basis. Our code of law is based on them.
Without God, without Christ and His Holy Spirit, "morality" and a sense of right and wrong is unknowable and unattainable.
Am I saying that people who have faith in God have an unquestioned compass of right and wrong and flawless morality? Absolutely not. We're still flawed human beings with a sinful nature.
Am I saying that people who lack faith in God have no ability to act in the "right" way occasionally, or even frequently? Absolutely not.
What I am saying is that without God and His word as your guiding compass, you are wholly separate from the light and can only continue to fumble in the darkness. Sometimes you will make right and just choices. Often times you will not, thinking that you in fact are. But without Him, you are building your worldly sense of morality, justice and "rightness" on a fundamentally flawed foundation.
It cannot and will not co-exist alongside the perfect and complete righteousness of God. No amount of wailing or gnashing of teeth will change this.
See, I like to believe personally (And I've heard this sect of Christianity before) But that God was a logical being, and he created us to be logical creatures who use Logic and reasoning to decide things. His words in turn, are logical and reasonable. While a lot of the lessons in the bible have what I consider "set dressing" when you remove all of the set dressing, and get down to brass tacks, they're pretty logical and reasonable ways to live. Now obviously I'm not a dyed in the wool perfect christian, but I try to follow his light and I try to live up to his moral standard.
Set dressing is cultural context. Add to that linguistic difficulties, ironing those out not in English but getting a better gist of what the original language is trying to convey which can be done without having to learn the actual language
and you've got most of Scriptural understanding. This is why it's good to caution against reading the whole Bible through for the first time by beginning in Genesis and just going to the end. If you start in John and go to the end you encounter a much more confined "set dressing," and at least the language functions somewhat like our own.
I don't think morality is unknowable and unattainable without God. I believe that morals and ethics came before - If I live in a community where I make tools and my neighbor grows wheat, I know that by killing my neighbor I can't barter for wheat any longer, for example. I think that morals and ethics, in their basic principles, are based in selfishness/survival in communities. I think religion drastically helped spread the basics of morals, however I don't believe religion is the basis.
Justice, mercy, and faithfulness, as Christ pointed out in Matthew 23:23 are the more important matters of "the law". Without any one of them you will end up in chaos.
In Rome, unwanted babies were thrown in the trash. Literally.
Christians adopted them, and this helped Christianity grow.
Might be the reason they prefer the children be murdered?
I'm on the same wavelength, sometimes I refer to it as being "culturally Christian". I don't believe in God but I'm 100% down with western civilization and think Christianity is good for society as a whole. And I hate Islam.
I thought we should have physically removed 40+ Governors from Office under citizens arrest for mass murder on 3/31. That still might be our best bet. I predicted our next opportunities would coincide with the election, which is the minimum waiting espoused here. I point out that after fraudulent election results are announced, our position weakens horribly. Our next opportunity ia when we're outnumbered at our homes, and "winning" means fighting to the death and taking out as many as possible. They do eun out of people willing to try before qe run out of people willing to die, but obviously Pepe needs to jump out of the boiling pot before then.
People that think morality that doesn't have a final authority that rests on a Creator, and can therefore change with the wind show the most basal intelligence I can think of.
it's called pseudo intelligence from the most basic people who think they are larger than life because they have an opinion. An opinion that used to be edgy but is now the norm, like body piercings and dyed hair.
People like that think they are the next Elon Musk just for breathing. SAD!
No one knows this shit better than me because I used to be one too. Follow the light!
I don't have any tattoos - I just don't want one. Never have. But I get weird looks, like there's something wrong with me. If you have them, cool. Whatever. I have no fucks.
I can overlook one tattoo on a woman, depending on where it is, and how well it's drawn. Beyond that - I lose all interest. I just know I don't want anything to do with a woman who scrawls on her body like a child does on the wall with crayons - and has such a feeble ego they need to. And, it doesn't look good. It looks trashy. Full sleeves? Too much baggage to go near, she's trying to prove something to someone, and I want nothing to do with it. Been there, done that, have the emotional scars and repaired drywall.
Fucknugget wanted to string me up by the neck on a back of a motorbike and ride around Rome 7 times.
Ironically these same people were arguing that atheists have morals and western civilization doesn't depend Christianity for morals.
LOL
Edit: Oh fuck i got stickied.
Fun fact: first sticky since joining T_D in 2015.
Fun fact 2: I wanted to use this as my image but it didn't want to upload. GIFs suck.
https://kekpe.pe/i/5f6f8f4e213d8.GIF
Yanno, I used to disagree with the message that "You need to depend on Christianity for morals" But now that I've seen what America has turned into... I kind of want those moral christian values back. Plus Ironically we draw from those traditional christian values every day of our life. So it makes sense.
Not everyone has an inner voice telling them what's right or wrong. I used to think they did. Or, they don't listen to it. Either way, same thing. In any case, most of those values are just common sense. They come back to you more than if you try to bypass them. It's, just, how it is.
Yep, Some people are un-ironically NPCs, And it's honestly a little scary.
I used to think it was just a meme. Now I'm not so sure.
It’s not a bad thing to follow a doctrine that has lasted thousands of years and created the most advanced and free societies the world has ever known.
People in the US aren't raised anymore by other people. They're just given daycare and vidya. That inner voice usually isn't spontaneous, but rather needs to be taught and developed in most people by the people raising them.
That's crazy, saying to not touch something that is so hot you can feel the heat coming off of it is also common sense, unfortunately the University education system in the US trains that out of people to the point they couldn't find their ass without a textbook telling them where it is.
You're engaging in post-mpost-modernism.
You say this only because you lack it.
I've said for years, as an atheist, that the 10 Commandments aren't a bad way to live. You don't have to follow all of them, and to the letter, but they're a pretty damned good moral code as a basis. Our code of law is based on them.
Yep. I try to live by them and other morals, I'm not perfect but damn do I try to live my best life
See? This guy gets it.
100% same.
Meh, I'm an atheist, still pro-life. Don't need the bible to know killing babies is wrong.
Just like with harming domesticated animals, Babies while they can't verbalize like us grown up humans, are still humans and should be protected.
Same, but we're the exception, not the rule. I think most people, based on where we're at today, absolutely do need the bible to tell them that.
Without God, without Christ and His Holy Spirit, "morality" and a sense of right and wrong is unknowable and unattainable.
Am I saying that people who have faith in God have an unquestioned compass of right and wrong and flawless morality? Absolutely not. We're still flawed human beings with a sinful nature.
Am I saying that people who lack faith in God have no ability to act in the "right" way occasionally, or even frequently? Absolutely not.
What I am saying is that without God and His word as your guiding compass, you are wholly separate from the light and can only continue to fumble in the darkness. Sometimes you will make right and just choices. Often times you will not, thinking that you in fact are. But without Him, you are building your worldly sense of morality, justice and "rightness" on a fundamentally flawed foundation.
It cannot and will not co-exist alongside the perfect and complete righteousness of God. No amount of wailing or gnashing of teeth will change this.
See, I like to believe personally (And I've heard this sect of Christianity before) But that God was a logical being, and he created us to be logical creatures who use Logic and reasoning to decide things. His words in turn, are logical and reasonable. While a lot of the lessons in the bible have what I consider "set dressing" when you remove all of the set dressing, and get down to brass tacks, they're pretty logical and reasonable ways to live. Now obviously I'm not a dyed in the wool perfect christian, but I try to follow his light and I try to live up to his moral standard.
Set dressing is cultural context. Add to that linguistic difficulties, ironing those out not in English but getting a better gist of what the original language is trying to convey which can be done without having to learn the actual language
and you've got most of Scriptural understanding. This is why it's good to caution against reading the whole Bible through for the first time by beginning in Genesis and just going to the end. If you start in John and go to the end you encounter a much more confined "set dressing," and at least the language functions somewhat like our own.
From there, the OT is much more approachable.
I don't think morality is unknowable and unattainable without God. I believe that morals and ethics came before - If I live in a community where I make tools and my neighbor grows wheat, I know that by killing my neighbor I can't barter for wheat any longer, for example. I think that morals and ethics, in their basic principles, are based in selfishness/survival in communities. I think religion drastically helped spread the basics of morals, however I don't believe religion is the basis.
I don't believe religion is the basis, either.
Quite the opposite, I think religion is a bane to morality much of the time.
I believe that Jesus is the basis to morality. Pure and simple.
Justice, mercy, and faithfulness, as Christ pointed out in Matthew 23:23 are the more important matters of "the law". Without any one of them you will end up in chaos.
In Rome, unwanted babies were thrown in the trash. Literally.
Christians adopted them, and this helped Christianity grow.
Might be the reason they prefer the children be murdered?
Maybe actually. I'm no Theological or spiritual scholar, but the moral ethics of the far left at this point would make anybody rational scream.
Insightful comment!
“i DoNt NeEd gOd To TeLl Me MuRdEr Is BaD”
Laughs when Sentinelese spear a Christian for landing on their beach and offering the gospel
I’m so sick of the double mindedness.
I'm on the same wavelength, sometimes I refer to it as being "culturally Christian". I don't believe in God but I'm 100% down with western civilization and think Christianity is good for society as a whole. And I hate Islam.
Sounds remarkably like the original purpose of Proud Boys. And I mean that as a good thing.
Deus vult!!
I thought we should have physically removed 40+ Governors from Office under citizens arrest for mass murder on 3/31. That still might be our best bet. I predicted our next opportunities would coincide with the election, which is the minimum waiting espoused here. I point out that after fraudulent election results are announced, our position weakens horribly. Our next opportunity ia when we're outnumbered at our homes, and "winning" means fighting to the death and taking out as many as possible. They do eun out of people willing to try before qe run out of people willing to die, but obviously Pepe needs to jump out of the boiling pot before then.
People that think morality that doesn't have a final authority that rests on a Creator, and can therefore change with the wind show the most basal intelligence I can think of.
it's called pseudo intelligence from the most basic people who think they are larger than life because they have an opinion. An opinion that used to be edgy but is now the norm, like body piercings and dyed hair.
People like that think they are the next Elon Musk just for breathing. SAD!
No one knows this shit better than me because I used to be one too. Follow the light!
I don't have any tattoos - I just don't want one. Never have. But I get weird looks, like there's something wrong with me. If you have them, cool. Whatever. I have no fucks.
I can overlook one tattoo on a woman, depending on where it is, and how well it's drawn. Beyond that - I lose all interest. I just know I don't want anything to do with a woman who scrawls on her body like a child does on the wall with crayons - and has such a feeble ego they need to. And, it doesn't look good. It looks trashy. Full sleeves? Too much baggage to go near, she's trying to prove something to someone, and I want nothing to do with it. Been there, done that, have the emotional scars and repaired drywall.
Here's a song that conveys that same message:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MTPjb_amfsE
That's the original version. At least two other bands modernized it.